MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: VC on January 05, 2012, 11:04:01 am
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So i had a call this morning from the guy who bought my .:R32 (still miss that car :sad1: )
When he bought it he didnt have a license for one reason and another and so it sat at his with him starting it up weekly until he was allowed to drive again.
When it came to it, he went to the car and the battery was flat, bumped it and took it off for a quieter exhaust (i gave him the standard zorst and milly resonated in case the non res was too loud) and a new battery.
Now when he starts the car it wont switch off! :surprised:
He can completely remove the key from the ignition and the car is still running happily, to kill the engine he has to stall it.... so obviously something here is not right.
The car was flawless when she was mine so the battery drain im confident didnt come from the car more likely from the start up each week without actually running the car out on the road to achieve charge, but the failure to switch off is something ive not even heard of before
naturally he's concerned so called me, purely for advice and to see if i could shed some light on it, ive said a visit to VW sounds like a plan with a view to getting the car plugged in
he's a really nice chap and said i'd try and find out what the fault could be, anyone got any ideas?
the battery that went in to replace the dead one was identical too by the way
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I would suggest getting any codes read or visiting a VAG specialist rather than a main dealer but other than that nothing more to add VC.
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Thats an odd one. First thought are dodgy ignition barrel... but then if the key is removed wouldn't the immobiliser cut the engine?
Is he near anyone with VCDS?
:stupid: :rolleye:
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see thats what i thought, dodgy ignition but again the immobiliser should kill the engine
if it had no immobiliser it could even be a slight amount of overfueling but that wouldnt keep it running just delay shut down
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Where is he in the country?
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My sis just had summit like this on her corsa and it was part of the ignition barrel snapped off? Tell him to take it apart and look mate as a precaution!
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I would suggest getting any codes read or visiting a VAG specialist rather than a main dealer but other than that nothing more to add VC.
i think it needs plugging in too
he's in east yorkshire
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My sis just had summit like this on her corsa and it was part of the ignition barrel snapped off? Tell him to take it apart and look mate as a precaution!
snapped off as in wear and tear? how old or what sort have miles has the corsa done? just thinking that the .:R was very low mileaged and so the amount of wear couldnt be that great i wouldnt have thought, interesting though
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Corsa has done 55k and is a 52reg. Its a case of wear and tear and probs just bad luck
It was a weird shaped spline coming off the end of the barrel that had snapped off some of its shape allowing the car to start but not turn off, then too not start or turn off.
It baffled me but that's wat it was
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cheers for that, i'll put it onto the suspect list then, the .:R had only just done about 20k iirc sound shouldnt be that but sounds like it could be from your explanation especially if noting shows up when its plugged in
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Could be fused contacts on the ignition relay ( if MK5s still use them) Do you know if the dash was still on when the key was taken out?
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Could be fused contacts on the ignition relay ( if MK5s still use them) Do you know if the dash was still on when the key was taken out?
i dont but i can ask him when i speak to him next, what would cause contacts to fuse like that anyway, heat?
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Thats an odd one. First thought are dodgy ignition barrel... but then if the key is removed wouldn't the immobiliser cut the engine?
Is he near anyone with VCDS?
:stupid: :rolleye:
My second thought is immobiliser but if the car is still running the immobiliser thinks the keys in the ignition surely? I
The more I've read of this thread I would start with ignition barrel cause it's free then tell him to go from there
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Chap I used to work with had this problem on his A3. He's not overly technical, so all I know is that it was put down to "an electrical fault" and a few bits replaced under warranty. His Audi was a total pup from an electrical perspective, dash losing illumination at night intermittently, etc.
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Could be fused contacts on the ignition relay ( if MK5s still use them) Do you know if the dash was still on when the key was taken out?
i dont but i can ask him when i speak to him next, what would cause contacts to fuse like that anyway, heat?
Yeah if the stater relay arced on startup it can cause the contact to weld together, Very rare but still a possible cause.
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I wouldn't think that the immobiliser has anything to do with the ignition after its initial check 5 seconds after first start up it wont keep checking for the key.
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Could be fused contacts on the ignition relay ( if MK5s still use them) Do you know if the dash was still on when the key was taken out?
They do have relays as mine went very recently.. pain in the butt. Could certainly be a cause of this issue.
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Id go with a relay or a fuse, we had a renault 5 that wouldnt turn off once started turned out to be relay had died in fusebox and screwed it all up!
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Update
Spoken again to him and he's said the dash lights stay on.
His adventure tonight to get petrol and he bumped it to a stop at the pump and filled up. It then wouldn't start up and all the dash lights died, the satnav went black with a small red cross on it. He pressed the screen and fiddled with it for about ten minutes then all of a sudden the dash lit up so he tried the car and it started, everything working fine.
Drove it home and it wouldn't turn off so he put the key back in and tried again and then it did turn off
So weird
The car has also had a diagnostic check when the battery was changed and no fault codes returned. He bought it off me at the start of the summer and it's only done about 100 miles since and the only change was the battery dying and a new one going on
He's going to put himself at the mercy of VW themselves tomorrow to see what they think about it all