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Title: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: George on January 07, 2012, 04:21:02 pm
Hi all,

Myself and my girlfriend are looking to book this years holiday soon. We've decided we want to go in early July and to either Egypt or Turkey, our budget is £800-£1000~.

We are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel that's within walking distance of the beach but with plenty of activities close by. We are ideally looking for all inclusive, but may make an exception for Turkey.

I just wondered if anyone had been to either of these countries and if so what resorts or hotels they would recommend?

Thanks

George
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: s3dubbin on January 07, 2012, 04:55:37 pm
Lara beach - hotel Lara beach george. Awesome. Big turkey fan I am. Stevie.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: benjii on January 07, 2012, 05:04:52 pm
Marmaris is good think i stayed in the grand ideal that was 5 star and think i paid 500 each and I didn't like egypt
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: RobH on January 07, 2012, 05:14:06 pm
Isnt egypt a bit dodgy at the min what with the Arab spring aftermath of last year.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: E30Dom on January 07, 2012, 05:18:16 pm
I know thre lots of people that have gone to turkey this year and all come back raving about it!!
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: ILoveTuna on January 07, 2012, 05:18:37 pm
I hated Egypt, stuck in the complex which was ok. Wanted to get out but everytime we did got loads of hassel from the locals did my box in..  :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Nodz on January 07, 2012, 05:53:30 pm
Nearly everyone I've known who's gone to Egypt have come back ill or are ill on the 2nd week which has always put me off going but they normally go to Sharm El Sheikh or Nile cruises. Someone I worked with went to Hurghada which across the Red Sea to Sharm El Sheikh. Nearly all the hotels are 4* and up. He said there is enough to do there but its not the main tourist destination so not to busy. They also do alot of diving there amongst other things.

As for Turkey only ever heard good things apart from mid July to end of August where temperatures can hit 50c+ and you get burnt in the shade, lol.

First Choice only do all inclusive holidays now and from experience I've never had any trouble with them and they are part of TUI. Only ever heard bad things about Thomas Cook.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Deako on January 07, 2012, 05:58:52 pm
Get loads of hassle from locals in Turkey as well. Ive been to Icmeler and Marmaris. Icmeler was much quieter. Very nice area of Turkey, so many trees, didnt expect that. Went on a few day trips, one to Pammukale. Was great, but they try and flog you everything under the sun on the way. From £1000 rugs, Honey with viagra in it and everything else.

Would definitely visit Turkey again, but would choose somewhere less commercial.

I cant speak for Egypt. All i know is its great for diving, and thats about it, unless you are crazy for tombs and pyramids.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: George on January 07, 2012, 06:55:41 pm
Thanks guys! This is really helping us, we also looked at olu deniz in Turkey but apparantly it's a quiet area without much going on, maybe worth a day trip though!

Keep the suggestions and comments coming :party:
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Degudodger on January 07, 2012, 07:33:21 pm
Luxor is brilliant

We stayed here five years ago and loved it. http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294205-d301754-Reviews-Maritim_Jolie_Ville_Kings_Island_Luxor-Luxor_Nile_River_Valley.html (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294205-d301754-Reviews-Maritim_Jolie_Ville_Kings_Island_Luxor-Luxor_Nile_River_Valley.html)
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: gti yorks on January 07, 2012, 08:01:11 pm
i went to egypt in 2010, stayed in Sharm El Sheikh, had a great holiday. people think its dodgy over there at the moment due to the recent protests and changes over there recently, but none of this affected the tourist areas, the tourist areas are one of the countries main sources income so them areas are fine. yeah the shop owners do hassle you when you go out, but that happens in nearly every country you go to.

the weather is great, we never seen a cloud for 2 weeks, we went in october and it was about 90 degrees, but in the summer months its much much hotter.

i would defo go back to egypt again, turkey has never appealed to me
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: skilab on January 07, 2012, 09:01:38 pm
I have been to Olu Deniz twice in the last 2 years and went to Egypt a few yrs ago.  Would never go back to Turkey but definatley will go to Turkey again.  Good echange rate I believe too for Turkey.

I have heard good reports about Kalkan in turkey too but I guess it depends on what you want out of the hol.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: George on January 07, 2012, 09:15:45 pm
Skilab, can you read your post again? Was it Turkey or Egypt you wouldn't go back to?
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: skilab on January 07, 2012, 09:51:22 pm
Oooops - would never go back to Egypt.   :stupid: me!

I guess it is ok if you are into diving though.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Jogon on January 07, 2012, 10:27:08 pm
Turkey for me  :wink:
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Golfgirl on January 07, 2012, 11:16:21 pm
Ive been to Egypt three times (Cairo once and Sharm el Sheikh twice) and have been once to Turkey (Icmeler).  Apart from Cairo I haven't seen much of Egypt as I'm a diver so spend a lot of time under or on top of the water.  I also didn't see much of Turkey as the friend I went with was ill all week so I was on my own and didn't really go far from the hotel.

If I was going on a sightseeing holiday I think I'd try Turkey as I've seen the main sights of Egypt in the form of Pyramids etc. But as a diver I'd choose Egypt because 30m underwater in the Red Sea is one of my favourite places in the world.  If I wasn't a diver though I'd choose Turkey!
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: am1w on January 08, 2012, 10:29:57 am
Turkey: Never been but must go to Istanbul this year. One of the great cities of the world.

Egypt: Been twice.
(1) To Cairo and stayed at The Fours Seasons First Residence - amongst the world's top 10 hotels. Amazing hotal, wild city, loved the Pyramids etc. Was driven around in a stretched BMW 7 Series with a fab drinks cabinet.
(2) On a 2 week Nile Cruise on one of the Oberoi boats. Simply the best holiday I have ever had. Nothing prepares one for the amazing sights. The 5* boat had a Michelin * restaurant. What an experience. Go in early January.

Ah, those were the days.

Don't like beaches. Too messy for me, so cannot help.
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Dave789 on January 08, 2012, 07:43:53 pm
Would not risk Egypt myself at the mo, but then there my be no issue in the tourist places
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: yin on January 08, 2012, 07:56:24 pm
Luxor is brilliant

We stayed here five years ago and loved it. http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294205-d301754-Reviews-Maritim_Jolie_Ville_Kings_Island_Luxor-Luxor_Nile_River_Valley.html (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294205-d301754-Reviews-Maritim_Jolie_Ville_Kings_Island_Luxor-Luxor_Nile_River_Valley.html)


Another vote for Luxor Try to get there at least once every year but i use the Sofitel Karnak
http://sofitel.com/gb/hotel-5552-sofitel-karnak-luxor/index.shtml
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: George on January 09, 2012, 06:30:34 pm
Thanks guys! Luxor sounds good and I've had some positive feedback at work about it too.

Can anyone confirm what the beaches are like around Luxor? I've heard the coral causes a big problem? Also any hotel recommendations would be brilliant  :happy2:

Thanks to everyone who's contributed and keep the resort and hotel recommendations coming  :party:
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: yin on January 09, 2012, 06:34:53 pm
Thanks guys! Luxor sounds good and I've had some positive feedback at work about it too.

Can anyone confirm what the beaches are like around Luxor? I've heard the coral causes a big problem? Also any hotel recommendations would be brilliant  :happy2:

Thanks to everyone who's contributed and keep the resort and hotel recommendations coming  :party:


No beach in Luxor its on the Nile
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Poverty on January 09, 2012, 11:19:39 pm
Had egypt booked last year, but changed it to dom rep due to the uprising. Booked it again for this year in the new 5 star hotel. Never been turkey, the GF has and said the men are pervy and constantly want to do swaps with camels lol. But then I hear the egyptian men can be pervy too.

What about one of th greek islands? Greek cuisine is great
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: jonm on January 10, 2012, 10:12:34 am
I took the other half on a Nile Cruise a few years ago and it was awesome.. Egypt was just unreal, I have friends who regularly visit Egypt 3-4 times a year for diving, sights and relaxing...

Everyone I know who has been to Turkey comes back with the sh*ts....


A few pics

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Egypt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonmmorgan/5044671684/) by JonMorgan. (http://www.flickr.com/people/jonmmorgan/), on Flickr

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Egypt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonmmorgan/5044442733/) by JonMorgan. (http://www.flickr.com/people/jonmmorgan/), on Flickr

Your not allowed to take photos inside the tombs but a quick fiddle with the settings and shooting from the waist gave

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Egypt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonmmorgan/5044683033/) by JonMorgan. (http://www.flickr.com/people/jonmmorgan/), on Flickr

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Egypt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonmmorgan/5045725372/) by JonMorgan. (http://www.flickr.com/people/jonmmorgan/), on Flickr

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Egypt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonmmorgan/5046515820/) by JonMorgan. (http://www.flickr.com/people/jonmmorgan/), on Flickr

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Egypt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonmmorgan/5046745380/) by JonMorgan. (http://www.flickr.com/people/jonmmorgan/), on Flickr

More can be found here

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Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Moschops on January 10, 2012, 12:05:08 pm
Myself and Mrs Choppers did the Nile last year, had a great time, went in May, was supposed to do Cairo, Pyrmaids etc and then on to the red sea, but had to fly back as the father in law was taken ill.

We travelled with Kuoni, who were brilliant at getting us home as such short notice (was home within 24 hours from Luxor)

This is the second holiday we've had woith Kuoni, did Sri Lanka in 2010. whould wholehearlty recommened them. You travel in small groups, we had 26 in Sri Lanka and only 6 of us for the Egypt trip. The courier was fantastic.

The Nile cruise was great, plenty of chill time and lots to see, the weather was great too. The only time we got hassle from the a couple of street traders was in Aswan, otherwise they were friendly people. Oh if you do this trip Optional excursion to the Temple of Abu Simbel by bus, its a 3.45am start.... :innocent: But well worth it.

Linky:

http://www.kuoni.co.uk/en/holiday/africa/egypt/nile-cruises/tours/pages/cruise-ms-sherry.aspx


With regards to Turkey never been.

I'll uplaod some photos from Egypt shortly.  :happy2:

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Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: WolverineMAc on January 10, 2012, 01:55:35 pm
Cyprus all the way
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: George on January 13, 2012, 09:15:18 pm
Cyprus is out of budget  :sad1:

Any thoughts on this place guys?

http://www.thomson.co.uk/destinations/europe/turkey/turkey-antalya/antalya/hotels/hillside-su-hotel.html

Thanks!  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: George on January 18, 2012, 10:06:29 pm
Hi all, just wanted to bump this.

We have decided on Turkey, but haven't got a resort or hotel nailed down yet.

Any recommendations please? :happy2:
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: WolverineMAc on January 19, 2012, 10:28:42 am
Two girls from work went to turkey last year I will ask them on Monday and let you know if they can recommend anywhere
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: Aparoon on January 19, 2012, 11:15:44 am
Mexico !! I had the same dilemma at weekend , was looking to book 2 weeks all inclusive 5* in June. Looked at everywhere and couldn't decide and everywhere was expensive. Mexico was £2200 which was £60 more than Egypt ! It's in Riviera Maya near Playa Del Carmen, went last year and it was faultless, albeit a different hotel  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2012 Summer Holiday - Egypt or Turkey?
Post by: daboy3000 on January 19, 2012, 11:48:32 am
I went to Turkey last year and it was great, food was cheap and very nice, lots of trips, weather was perfect and the people were very friendly and not too pushy.  We stayed in Oludeniz and everything we needed was all there.