MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: MAT ED30 on November 13, 2008, 10:14:52 am
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time has come for some new boots for the car as i have got 25k out of the ones that came with the car :driver: :surprised:
what should i get? been looking at toyo t1r,mich pilots sports ps2, good year eagles gsd3 as i have had these before so what should i get and if you have any others to look at let me know.They have to be good in the wet and even better in the dry as i the odd trackday :driver: and do 20k a year so they have to be good.
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I can't remember what was on my original GTI (Mark?) but the Mich's made a hell of a difference when I first picked the ED30 up. The steering felt a bit lighter and grip in both the wet and dry was improved :happy2:
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Its got to be PS2 and toyo's for your track days
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my OE fitted were Current Generation Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 : OK but not top notch imho
I recently fitted Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 Assymetric to the front and these are FAR better in terms of feel and grip.
Goodyear F1 Assymetric get good reviews but Ive not ran them yet (although the GSD2 and GSD3 I did run and they were fab)
How about another set of lightweight wheels (team dynamics)/tyres and a set of road legal track tyres (yokos R , toyos) etc ? :evilgrin:
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i have been looking for some other wheels for the track and will be putting 888 on them :driver: for the track
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lucky man :smiley:
in that case
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 Assymetric first choice
Goodyear F1 Assymetric second choice
what you running now?
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Goodyear F1 Assymetric on my spares, top tyre :happy2:
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lucky man :smiley:
in that case
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 Assymetric first choice
Goodyear F1 Assymetric second choice
what you running now?
car came with pilot exaltos and have been good but fancy a change
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I got just over 20k miles from my Goodyear GSD3's and preferred them to the Conti's and the Bridgestone's. I don't think you can get GSD3's any more. I now have their Assymetrics and they are excellent in the wet but beware if you mix assymetrics with directionals (different axles of course) because they can fool the ESP and cause a random snatch - Not dangerous but a shock when it happens.
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just looked at a review for these
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-Asymmetric.htm
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Go for the Assymetrics, very good tyre if not the best road tyre.
You can get GSD3 eagle f1 but only upto 17's anything above is assymetric.
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Go for the Assymetrics, very good tyre if not the best road tyre.
You can get GSD3 eagle f1 but only upto 17's anything above is assymetric.
just put 2 on order at £90 plus vat each so not that bad
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just put 2 on order at £90 plus vat each so not that bad
....Unless you know already - Put them on the rear axle to begin with.
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just put 2 on order at £90 plus vat each so not that bad
....Unless you know already - Put them on the rear axle to begin with.
This still confuses me. In all my (admittedly short) years dealing with wheels and tyres i have never come across anyone who would tell me to put new tyres on a FWD car on the rear. I remember the thread some time ago where Goodyear? advised this but cannot for the ife of me remember why????
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Be prepared for your eyes to glaze over then there was some enormously long threads on this subject so when TT and RR see this be prepared. :signLOL: :chicken:
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I dont know what you mean :mad: :jumping: :fighting:
Guess the guy in the cap is RR !! (only joking)
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Okay, hoping all you're eyes are now suitably glazed over, so I'll begin....
The tyre industry as a whole recommends that on FWD cars where it's safe to mix tyre treads (but always matched on axles and never at all on AWD vehicles) that you run your deeper treads on the rear rather than the front. This of course assumes that your front treads are not threadbare! The basic reason is (as I understand it) that as you approach the limits of your front wheels you don't want your rear wheels to be heading off as too much oversteer - The rear needs stability.
When you have insufficient tread on the rear wheels of a FWD car, the rear end may more easily step out of line (oversteer) and furthermore this lack of adhesion can more easily result in a spin. Anyroadup, it's the tyre industry recommendation.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-van-4x4/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html (http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-van-4x4/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html)
I'm sure that T_T can either elaborate or start a debate in which I'm told I'm totally wrong.
You can refresh your eyes now and here's your reward for sitting quietly and listening : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southsomersetautograss.co.uk%2Fcustom%2Fspare%2520tyres.jpg&hash=1274cd2cc5b8eaf5c927d5434f086eb71519a2ba)
Or I'm sure you prefer : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adrianflux.co.uk%2Fblog%2Fuploaded_images%2Ffluxbabe_michelin-796875.jpg&hash=25093562436df51b4b3a80965bb20b95a375d1ae)
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OK that i understand. But i have to say that if you have better adhesion on the rear due to newer tyres / deeper tread this would encourage understeer which is, in my opinion, more common a trait to come across that oversteer.
Put it this way, if you needed to do an emergency stop what would you prefer to be fitted to the front of your vehicle. New tyres or part worn?
Im not saying that Michelin (for instance) are wong its just that would have thought that the tyres that do 70 odd percent of the breaking, all the power and breaking would need to be the better ones........
Ben
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Swings & Roundabouts, so to speak.
Ideally you need good enough tyre treads all round. Every circumstance/instance of braking, cornering, etc, is slightly different.
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Its also about behaviour under braking, all the weight is transfered to the front so you need the best grip you can get from the rears to stop them breaking adhesion whilst there isn't much weight on them :smiley:
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I agree with Robin and Gaz's points, one of the way's it was also described to me on a Road skills course at Silverstone a few years ago was that the average drivers is much more able to control/deal with an understeer situation rather than a oversteer situation, so as Robin said having the better adhesion on the rears will only go to help avoid oversteer for an average driver. :smiley:
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just had 2 goodyears fitted to the back and its defo better on the back
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How much did you pay for them Mat and were from if you dont mind me asking. I need to buy 4 in the next few weeks. :wink:
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How much did you pay for them Mat and were from if you dont mind me asking. I need to buy 4 in the next few weeks. :wink:
try blackcircles.com as i only got them a few £ cheaper and fitted them myself :wink:
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I got a good deal on 4 Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta's with the alloys, so it would have been rude not to try them. :innocent: 8)
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Are those the assymetric Vredesteins, John?
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I know a couple of people running vreds, with positive results.
What wheels Hurdy 8)
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I know a couple of people running vreds, with positive results.
What wheels Hurdy 8)
i put these on the front on my last civic type r and it had so much more grip, i was very happy with them :driver:
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Are those the assymetric Vredesteins, John?
Yes :happy2:
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I know a couple of people running vreds, with positive results.
What wheels Hurdy 8)
I'll take pics tomorrow Gaz :innocent: