MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: timmyed30 on January 16, 2012, 05:36:22 pm
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Ive had a little read up and spoken to different people!
Revo, good map but to much boast and works car to much!! Is this true?
Custom spoken to a local tuner that do kit cars tvrs ... He said £450 2 rolling roads before and after have a nice boast curve and put standard map back on when i sell........
Bluefin seems to be rubbish!!
I'm only looking to keep the car for 6 more months just want a bit of fun before sale so want it ack standard ??
Help pleaseee
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I have Bluefin Stage 2 and i wouldnt say its rubbish :confused:
I would choose Bluefin over Revo, purely because its maps are less agresive and higher torque which Revo's maps normally are excelerates wear n tear. So in my case wanting to keep my car long term, revo was ruled out for me.
The only issue ive had with Superchips is getting the correct map with transmission type.
I know my staqe 2 Ed30 is far from slow and with lower torque spike mid range allows me to put the power down with less wheel hop and traction on the front wheel issues.
But as your only keeping the car short term and planning on ragging its nutz whilst you own it, then go for anything you like :signLOL: and let some other poor sod pick up the mainternance bill later :laugh:
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Ok I just havnt herd to many great reports about bluefin! That's why I was going to get a custom one + rolling roads and that!! Surely they no what there doing!
I'm just aaaaaaa. I'm nt to sure I want the min spin as I can if possible :signLOL:
http://www.perfect-touch.co.uk/index.php
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APR are also making a comeback although likely priced similar high level as Revo and you will find a few tuners who offer good maps.
Jabbasport (VAG group Tuning specialist) do their own and charge £420 INC VAT, that includes before and after RR sessions based in peterborough
There are a few other companies on here who likely do same, Jabba claim 290 to 300 on Ed30 map, little less then Revo claim i think.
My 1.8T GTi was mapped by Jabba and my Ed30 is going to them in early April for stage 1 re-mapo while I save up for stage 2-3 :evilgrin:
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Ive done more rolling roads then hot dinners lol.
In terms of HP diff between say Bluefin and Revo, your talking no more then 10bhp on average depending on stage. Revo comes into its own in Stage2+ code. Marginal on stage 1 and 2 :happy2:
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And 10BHP less is about the same as having a small toolbox in your boot :happy2:, not much in it
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Ive done more rolling roads then hot dinners lol.
In terms of HP diff between say Bluefin and Revo, your talking no more then 10bhp on average depending on stage. Revo comes into its own in Stage2+ code. Marginal on stage 1 and 2 :happy2:
Soo the difference isn't that great but I take it you notice the toque delivery is totaly different then?? Sorry it's question time!!!
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Just looked on APR website, they claim 322bhp on stage 1 re-map, it costs £699 tho, but seems to include a few optional extras, like alternate maps, security features etc, sounds a bit high for stage 1 tho, might be a tad harsh/peaky :driver:
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Just looked on APR website, they claim 322bhp on stage 1 re-map, it costs £699 tho, but seems to include a few optional extras, like alternate maps, security features etc, sounds a bit high for stage 1 tho, might be a tad harsh/peaky :driver:
i feel a song coming on....... :popcornsoda:
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Ive had a little read up and spoken to different people!
Custom spoken to a local tuner that do kit cars tvrs ... He said £450 2 rolling roads before and after have a nice boast curve.
A custom map does not mean 'before and after' rolling road, this will be a generic map with a befre and after dyno test. A custom map can take 30+ dyno runs at various throttle positions.
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Ermm I'm not to sure all I no is you get and before and after dyno graph!
PDT What would you say if you was in my shoes??
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Where are you in the UK?
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Hertford in Hertfordshire, north London Essex way!!!! And don't say amd please :signLOL:
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Your 50 mile from milton keynes which means APR or REVO are an option. 70 mile from jabba in peterborough, then thets bluefin or shatk sho can map via handset
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r tech in leicestershire :signLOL:
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There loads of revo dealer near me about 4 within 20 miles, top gear. R-tec st Albans amd are all near me!
Im just not to sure what to get revo custom or bluefin!!
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my car is at r-tech it is nearly done.... So i might be able to go for a spin in it.. so see what his stage 2+ is like :) (from r-tech that is)
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What about the Revo "linear" file.
I have had Revo on three cars previous. Great in terms of post logging and optimisation although all suffered from the same issue of massive torque spike and max boost on partial throttle.
This alternative file gives a 1 to 1 ratio on throttle - meaning if you request 30% throttle you'll get exactly that. It offers a different power delivery based on how much lead is in your right foot.
This will mean that my fourth car will have revo but will have eliminated the thing I disliked the most about Revo.
If I was to go another route I'd go either custom code, Jabba or Vag-check which look to gaining popularity.
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If I was to go another route I'd go either custom code which look to gaining popularity.
Pardon :surprised:
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If I was to go another route I'd go either custom code which look to gaining popularity.
Pardon :surprised:
Care to elaborate?
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Search custom code on here :popcornsoda:
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Why what's wrong with them please help me :signLOL: :(
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Well I see Shark and PDT seems to be one of the most common around over there in the UK.
However, the nice thing with the APR tune, you get to try before you buy. Just go in and ask them for the 6hr test file.
You get to see if you like it. If not then go with someone else's tune?
But the APR, does give you multiple MAP switching, Standard, Stage 1 etc (95 or 98 Octane), Valet mode, even a Lockout function.
You can even get a full Disable so people can't steal the car unless they bring a tow truck along.
I might be pushing the APR myself. However, I have run APR now for almost 2 years. Had all there stages within reason, short of turbo replacements etc.
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I think your tarnishing custom code and JBS with the same brush here.
Here's some info for you.
My very good friend was the very first 1.8T to get the JBS04.
The claim was 300bhp from a hybrid K04 on a K03 manifold setup.
Short of the long was that JBS pushed this too far with claims which couldn't be substantiated.
Truth of the matter was that JBS used this car as development without the customer knowing. There was no proven kit.
Countless things went wrong and lots of trips back to JBS. Manifolds kept on coming loose. Issue's with power delivery, bent rods. The list goes on.
I helped log this car a lot and know that when it ran it ran really well although just not reliably.
We both came to the conclusion that they were very good for stage1 and 2 maps but anything else was a mine field.
We often would refer to JBS as James's B*** S***. It seemed to fit well.
He spent Jabba big turbo money in the end and lost a lot of money in the process
What I'm trying to say here is that it's very easy to read story's of this and that JBS did this and that, but at the end of the day their (custom code) side of the business was in fact very good.
We both agreed that it would definitely be considered for it's OEM power delivery.
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Mines going into R-Tech on Saturday for a custom Stage 1 cant wait :pomppomp:
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Mines going into R-Tech on Saturday for a custom Stage 1 cant wait :pomppomp:
give my car a hug lol it has found a new home :signLOL:
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Mines going into R-Tech on Saturday for a custom Stage 1 cant wait :pomppomp:
give my car a hug lol it has found a new home :signLOL:
Keep warm next to it once I set it alight.... :rolleye:
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Mines going into R-Tech on Saturday for a custom Stage 1 cant wait :pomppomp:
give my car a hug lol it has found a new home :signLOL:
Keep warm next to it once I set it alight.... :rolleye:
At least it is good for something :signLOL:
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What about the Revo "linear" file.
I have had Revo on three cars previous. Great in terms of post logging and optimisation although all suffered from the same issue of massive torque spike and max boost on partial throttle.
This alternative file gives a 1 to 1 ratio on throttle - meaning if you request 30% throttle you'll get exactly that. It offers a different power delivery based on how much lead is in your right foot.
This will mean that my fourth car will have revo but will have eliminated the thing I disliked the most about Revo.
If I was to go another route I'd go either custom code, Jabba or Vag-check which look to gaining popularity.
Its not actually REVOs doing. The throttle map is not changed when they remap your car. Its the stock throttle map that is too aggressive from the factory, the REVO map exacerbates this due to the massive increase in power.
Linear throttle map is brilliant. :happy2:
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What about the Revo "linear" file.
I have had Revo on three cars previous. Great in terms of post logging and optimisation although all suffered from the same issue of massive torque spike and max boost on partial throttle.
This alternative file gives a 1 to 1 ratio on throttle - meaning if you request 30% throttle you'll get exactly that. It offers a different power delivery based on how much lead is in your right foot.
This will mean that my fourth car will have revo but will have eliminated the thing I disliked the most about Revo.
If I was to go another route I'd go either custom code, Jabba or Vag-check which look to gaining popularity.
Its not actually REVOs doing. The throttle map is not changed when they remap your car. Its the stock throttle map that is too aggressive from the factory, the REVO map exacerbates this due to the massive increase in power.
Linear throttle map is brilliant. :happy2:
Good info.
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I know for STD MK5 GTI Jabba do a std stage 1 remap, but for Ed30 its a custom map and having spoke to them the car goes on the rolling road to test your cars power and make sure its running right then, they start mapping the car on the rolling road to get what you want, power, smooth etc etc.
I am not that bothered about max power, I just want a nice Smooth map that not too jerky or peaky, I want linear :happy2:
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Or shark?,,,