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Title: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 16, 2012, 07:08:22 pm
Hi, I've been looking at Mk V GTI's and I hope I offend nobody on here but the cars seems to be massively overpriced.  Many cars seem to be 1K over book some nearer 2K.  This is especially so with edition 30's have I missed something.  Are sellers looking to be knocked back. 

The car I almost brought has now been reduced by 100 after the dealer was adamant that he had three people waiting for his car.  To me that means he's having difficulty selling he's car.  On a lighter note Ive seen one car keenly priced but its 403 miles away from me and its not an edition 30.

Thoughts of any kind will be much appreciated. 

Also how difficult is it to fit xenon headlights as per original manufacturer spec with headlight washers, self levelling etc....

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: andrewparker on January 16, 2012, 07:16:30 pm
The book is a load of bollocks mate.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: JoeDarKa on January 16, 2012, 07:24:16 pm
The book is a load of bollocks mate.

 :signLOL: :signLOL: Straight and to the point, i like it!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Greeners on January 16, 2012, 07:31:16 pm
The book is a load of bollocks mate.

Couldn't of put it better myself!!  :congrats:

After all the 'book' you refer to is only a guide as there is no way you can give a blanket cost for thousands of cars that all differ slightly in mileage, condition and specification. Specialist cars like the MK5 GTI tend to be cars bought more with the heart than the head, so prices will vary wildly anyway. Another reason why I pay no attention to Glass's etc......

A car is worth what someone is prepared to pay, no more, no less!!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: gizmo68 on January 16, 2012, 07:52:05 pm
Forums are the worst place to buy a car, most people one them are enthusiasts and therefore believe their cars are worth more than Joe public will.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Greeners on January 16, 2012, 08:01:16 pm
Can't agree with that, surely if you want to buy a car like a GTI you want to know it's been looked after and not an ex rep wagon?!?!?  :rolleye:

I'd gladly pay a little more for a car that has been cosseted by its owner!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: galaxie500 on January 16, 2012, 08:06:09 pm
Hey Driver Rider
From your 'forum name' I get that you are bike rider as well as a car driver.  This could be pushbike or motorbike but I'm guessing its the latter.
I love motorbikes, always have but I've never understood how bikes can cost as much and sometimes more than a car.  Certainly there's a heap of engineering excellence in many motorbikes but for £20K you could buy 2 decent Mk V GTi's OR 2 wheels and a 1920's derived V Twin in the shape of a Harley Davidson Electra Glide. Or £18K might get you a Ducati - the Ferrari of motorbikes where you pay for an engine and get the 'bodywork' for free.  Its made of carbon fibre and plastic.  The door bins on the MkV Golf have more rigidity than the entire Ducati 848 body, and that saying something!
Why do people buy these crazily priced machines?? Marketing.  And supply & demand.  The same reason you want an Edition 30 Golf.  Despite your horror at the pricing, you still want one.  If you want one, you're going to have to pay the going price for one,  and not whinge at what you percieve as 'over book'.  The Book - Glass's Guide, is in fact Marketing.  No motor traders actually use it as their bible.  The values within are a guide and nothing more.  
Good luck with your search.  
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Gene Hunt on January 16, 2012, 08:30:50 pm
Can't agree with that, surely if you want to buy a car like a GTI you want to know it's been looked after and not an ex rep wagon?!?!?  :rolleye:

I'd gladly pay a little more for a car that has been cosseted by its owner!
............& me. :congrats:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: gizmo68 on January 16, 2012, 08:38:17 pm
Can't agree with that, surely if you want to buy a car like a GTI you want to know it's been looked after and not an ex rep wagon?!?!?  :rolleye:

I'd gladly pay a little more for a car that has been cosseted by its owner!

So all owner on a forum pamper their cars and all reps (not sure how many will have an Edition 30 anyway) thrash them and do not care for them?  :stupid:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: stealthwolf on January 16, 2012, 08:49:24 pm
So all owner on a forum pamper their cars and all reps (not sure how many will have an Edition 30 anyway) thrash them and do not care for them?  :stupid:
So wanna explain why specialist car insurance is cheaper than ordinary car insurance? Around four times cheaper in my experience!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Tamiyoman on January 16, 2012, 09:07:51 pm
I think a LOT of cars are overpriced but GTIS and ED30 are also overpriced, again no offence to anyone but £13k for a 57 plate Ed30 is WAAAAy too much,

I looked at several Ed30's in late October/early november last year before I bought mine and I went to see one at a place in London (trader) who insisted my offer of £11.25K for his Black 08 plate Ed30 DSG with 60K and FSH (Otherwise it was basic spec model, no nav, no park sensors, cruise, or Xenons etc etc) was insulting, I raised my offer to 11.5K and he still would not have it (forecourt price was £12995), I saw that same car for sale a few weeks back still and the price tag was down to £10995  :P, ahem matey/dealer I dont like to say "I told you so"  :happy2:.

Also looked at another one up in Manchester area, he wanted £12650 I offered £11.65K (which was my budget) knocked back, 8 weeks later still for sale and then priced at £11495  :happy2:, finally found my candy Ed30 5Dr DSG, Xenons, park sensors, winter pack, sunroof, Highline, MFSW, Armrest and sat nav, it is an 08 plate 39K FVWSH within my budget  :pomppomp: and yes I talked him down from £13K after I went armed with lots of previous listings/prices, CAP values and several "Unsold" listings from ebay and the prices and details of the last 6 ED30's that BCA had sold  :drinking:, he soon understood he was VERY unlikely to get what he asked  :evilgrin:

I would not feel too bad making a "Sensible" offer, I know folks say the book is rubbish (depends which book) but I got my brother (in the lease indusrty) to give me CAP values so I went on those and got mine at Cap middle so yeah the parkers guides may be off but teh CAP figures are what industry uses and those seem fine.

I was looking at another 3 dr 08 plate Ed30 which came up for auction at BCA and CAP was £10750 to £11350, I then bought my car but went anyway out of curiosity to see what t went for, it went for £11150 pretty much bang in the middle of figures my bro quoted me, it appeared 9 days later sat on a VW dealers forecourt at £14995  :scared: If they found a buyer for that it must have been the easiest £3.5K they ever made

If you have a mate in the industry get him to give you the CAP figures for it as a guide, and dont forget a sellers price is what "HE/SHE" wants for it and likely not what it is worth either to you or in the real world of slow moving car sales in the current market conditions.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Greeners on January 16, 2012, 09:13:55 pm
Can't agree with that, surely if you want to buy a car like a GTI you want to know it's been looked after and not an ex rep wagon?!?!?  :rolleye:

I'd gladly pay a little more for a car that has been cosseted by its owner!

So all owner on a forum pamper their cars and all reps (not sure how many will have an Edition 30 anyway) thrash them and do not care for them?  :stupid:

Your getting the idea yeh!  :wink:

I ran a company fleet of 500+ cars for over ten years, and if 1% looked after their cars the way the forum members that I know and have met, I'd be very surprised.........
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Tamiyoman on January 16, 2012, 09:22:25 pm
Can't agree with that, surely if you want to buy a car like a GTI you want to know it's been looked after and not an ex rep wagon?!?!?  :rolleye:

I'd gladly pay a little more for a car that has been cosseted by its owner!

So all owner on a forum pamper their cars and all reps (not sure how many will have an Edition 30 anyway) thrash them and do not care for them?  :stupid:

Your getting the idea yeh!  :wink:

I ran a company fleet of 500+ cars for over ten years, and if 1% looked after their cars the way the forum members that I know and have met, I'd be very surprised.........

If its hired its the fastest car on the road, I have ABUSED every company car I won (more out of spite to current employer lol) and always looked after my own personal cars (always had my own car when I had a company car).
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Frodo-anni on January 16, 2012, 09:39:36 pm
Its only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, but you have to take everything into consideration, spec, history, owners etc...

I have just this weekend collected my Mar 07, ed30 dsg 5dr from a main dealer after looking at plenty of dogs over the last 6-8 months. Thankfully the car has been owned by one very careful forum owner who has very kindly told me everything about the car. It also has xenons, armrest, highline, which were on my priority list, so willing to pay that litle bit more for the specification. With it comes a full vw used warranty that i have had confirm covers the dsg box, therefore that was worth alittle bit more to me, it came serviced, MOT'd.

The main points when pricing a car is the over all deal, i may have found one cheaper privately (will probably cry if i find out what price it was trade), but i may well have had to spend the extra to get the few bits retro fitted, serviced etc..

For me the ED30 is worth it, im still giggling to myself like a little school boy each time i hear the DSG 'Fart'   :signLOL:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Billy on January 16, 2012, 10:10:56 pm
finally found my candy Ed30 5Dr DSG, Xenons, park sensors, winter pack, sunroof and sat nav it is an 08 plate 39K FVWSH within my budget  :pomppomp:

Where did you end up finding your car?
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Ibanezvaio on January 16, 2012, 10:27:29 pm
For what it's worth, dealers do use the book prices when bending you over offering a price for your trade in! I know, I'm in that position now and learning that I stand to lose £4.5k in 10 months-no chance mate!

All that money to own an Ed30 is not going to happen!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Oli on January 16, 2012, 10:43:25 pm
 :signLOL:  To be fair, and I've said this loads of times, Glasses, CAP and especially Parkers have never been more of a 'guide' than now, and have been poor since 2008, playing catchup all the time.  We look at them briefly, but most times look at local trade ads on autotrader to give us a basis on sale and part ex price.

An advert is an invitation to do business, everything is always open to offer. Cars should be looked at before making judgment. I got £2500 off my Porsche by hard bargaining, and it was only up for £36000, so that a fair chunk of discount.

Most times if a car is cheap, it is so for a reason, however there is always the one exception to the rule, and it's just great when you find a true genuine bargain  :pomppomp:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Ibanezvaio on January 16, 2012, 10:56:58 pm
Oli, I wish we had people like you on the isle of man! Dealer here hasn't seen my car and is offering me the book price for a 60k mile car.....mine has 42k lol.

On top of that, he's sourced and Ed30 ont' mainland and added approx £4k to the price!

Suffice to say, I've just sent a strongly worded email letting him know 'I'm out' and continuing my search alone!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Ibanezvaio on January 16, 2012, 11:26:35 pm
In fact Oli, you won't believe this but the car I was offered by this dealer is actually the one you have in the forsale section lol! Just checked the reg against the pics I got sent!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 12:05:20 am
Hi guys,

thanks for all your feedback.  I will sit down and reread all that has been said.  You have definitely help shed some light onto the situation.  I guess going by my admitedly limited experience I can safely say that at this moment in time it is a "buyers" markert. 

I have noticed cars staying on auto trader for weeks at a time....occasionally months.  The poster who  story of a dealer having a car on his forecourt for a year really highlighted how slow moving the car market it presently.  I mean taking 2K of a forecourt price in a year is quite a hammering in my book.  Thank you tamiyoman for that post.

galaxie500 I love bikes but my family are scared of them :-( I'll just use these guides as pointer and not as gospel truths and thanks for the good luck, think Im going to need it!

frodo-anni have u driven a non edition 30 GTI?  Think I'll go for the edition 30. 

Thanks for all the comments.  Ive now seen first hand as well written post said that an advert is an invitation to do business I won't make the mistake of taken the advertised price as the price to pay.


It's also interesting to note that many members on here have spent months looking for their ideal spec car.  I shall take my time viewing cars especially as I plan on keeping the car for quite some time.

Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Frodo-anni on January 17, 2012, 12:11:29 am

frodo-anni have u driven a non edition 30 GTI?  Think I'll go for the edition 30. 


I used to own the mk4 25th Anniversary, so was automatically attracted to the edition 30, but did also consider the mk5 GTI, which for me would still have to have a high spec, with full leather, xenons, armrest, highline etc... The colour coding valances/sideskirts is also a plus point. With the eddie i love the Interior and the origins of the mk1 GTI, the car is great to drive, but also an animal when re-mapped as demonstarted to me by Beddie  :signLOL:

If i'd have gone for a standard GTI i would only have been looking back wishing i paid that bit more. Only had it since saturday and already been stopped twice in car parks, saying how nice it is!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Tamiyoman on January 17, 2012, 12:28:25 am
finally found my candy Ed30 5Dr DSG, Xenons, park sensors, winter pack, sunroof and sat nav it is an 08 plate 39K FVWSH within my budget  :pomppomp:

Where did you end up finding your car?

Not far from manchester, forgot to add it also had highline, MFSW, Armrest too and had 2 owners.

@ driver rider, the £2k off forecourt price happened in the space of 9 weeks mate, think they finally realised that it was a low spec car and not worth the money they asked (and I bet they only paid £10k for it at most with high miles and low spec!!).
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: AlanEdition30 on January 17, 2012, 12:48:26 am
With private sellers it does obviously depend on the sellers individual circumstances. For example if someone is moving abroad or desperate for some cash it will be keanly priced. Whereas even after 4 years of ownership i still cherish my edition 30, if the GF wants it gone for a deposit on a house expect it to be for sale soon for 20K  :laugh:  :P

I bought my edition 30 when it was 6 months old, seeing the prices of them now - 11k- 13k i feel like there being given away  :scared:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: VC on January 17, 2012, 09:06:22 am
I'm gunna weigh in here and totally agree with throwing guide books out

Examples I'll give are the discovery I bought for the mrs for one. Booked at £30k forecourted at the main dealer for £28k as he was over stocked. Cash purchase and he took a further 6k off the car, and threw in loads of extras to complete a sale. That's £8k difference.

Sold my .:R32 at the start of the summer, Booked at £15k sold it privately for £24.5k, demand outstripped the supply as it was one of a kind, bought by someone who didn't even come and look at the car and then had it delivered. But for such a car there were people happy to pay the price, all offered the asking price.

My Defender that I sold the week before Xmas booked at £15.5k forecourted at £22k I sold it for £18.6k to a chap that did a 1200 mile round trip to come and buy it, it was only slightly modded but enough to set it apart from the norm - blowing the myth that mods don't add value out the water, a favourite dealer line sometimes. Mods if done right can make a car attractive and easier to sell, eg two Gti's next to each other and identical but one has bbs rims.... Which one you gunna buy

Sold the mother in laws Audi Q5 back to the dealership in December too, bought for £40k a year earlier and they bought it back for cash for £39k, a case of demand outstripping supply.

As for forum cars? I've just bought a forum car, collect it this week. The member had a high post count so I was able to read back through posts they had made on the forum and find out massive amounts of information on the car that sometimes stay hidden.  For example if it's been damaged, broken down, any mods, issues with performance etc.  when people have problems they post, when they mod they post and this all adds up to a history you can read before buying the car.  It's enabled me to virtually look round the car with photos and so buy it remotely without travelling to view just to collect

In a nutshell, if you want a certain car you have to pay for it, if the seller knows your want it they won't budge on price or if they have other genuine buyers in the wings. But if the car they have is merely stock to them the margins will always work in your favour, if they say they have others interested then they would have sold it already and only a foolish salesman would let a good sale fail purely for a margin of movement on the price
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Dw1 on January 17, 2012, 12:36:51 pm
VC - you seem a savvy exception to the rule and posts of others on here. I'd love to enroll your help when it come to selling and buying a car as you seem to have it nailed and able to buck the general market trend.

As a recent buyer of a gti, I used autotrader as my price guide and a pal who has been in the trade. The reality the market is dead at the moment, the cars that are shifting are the ones being sold for a sensible price for the spec. E.g. 8.5 to 9k in great condition, fvsh, for a gti with 60k, full leather, good bodywork, Highline, 6 cd, satnav mfd2, heated seats, dual climate is about right for a final sale price. At that price (which is a lot of car for the money) they will go reasonably quickly. That same spec priced at 10k and you'll see the car linger in the ads until the seller drops the price. That's the reality I experienced when buying and I'm not a brilliant haggler.

My BMW I sold was at rock bottom, but again a factor of the market and whilst I didn't like the price it was the reality, but the upside is I felt that the golf was a reasonable price. If the economy gets better the prices might firm up a bit but I doubt they will go up.

Sellers who embrace market reality will sell promptly, those who don't will take longer and perhaps need to discount (with the exception of VC)  :happy2:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 01:03:55 pm

frodo-anni have u driven a non edition 30 GTI?  Think I'll go for the edition 30. 


I used to own the mk4 25th Anniversary, so was automatically attracted to the edition 30, but did also consider the mk5 GTI, which for me would still have to have a high spec, with full leather, xenons, armrest, highline etc... The colour coding valances/sideskirts is also a plus point. With the eddie i love the Interior and the origins of the mk1 GTI, the car is great to drive, but also an animal when re-mapped as demonstarted to me by Beddie  :signLOL:

If i'd have gone for a standard GTI i would only have been looking back wishing i paid that bit more. Only had it since saturday and already been stopped twice in car parks, saying how nice it is!  :happy2:

when you say mapped is this a stage one or stage two that makes the car quicker out interest?what tuner did the work?  Whats the spec of your car?

Lile you after seeing the mark V GTI and driving it I couldn't help but think Id forever be looking and hankering after an eddy.I originally wanted to spend 8-9 K for a high spec example.  Eddies seem to start at 11K for three door DSG examples.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 01:05:38 pm
finally found my candy Ed30 5Dr DSG, Xenons, park sensors, winter pack, sunroof and sat nav it is an 08 plate 39K FVWSH within my budget  :pomppomp:

Where did you end up finding your car?

Not far from manchester, forgot to add it also had highline, MFSW, Armrest too and had 2 owners.

@ driver rider, the £2k off forecourt price happened in the space of 9 weeks mate, think they finally realised that it was a low spec car and not worth the money they asked (and I bet they only paid £10k for it at most with high miles and low spec!!).


Your experience has shown me that there really is room
for haggling!!! thank you
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Tamiyoman on January 17, 2012, 01:16:27 pm
I think my car was up for £12795 (I forget exact amount as I have mis-placed the advert) and I got it within my budget of £11650 so yes deffo haggle, if the seller wants to sell you will get a good discount, dont forget your probably the first person to actually see the car after he has had a few calls in a matter of weeks so he will likely want to sell and if you go armed with details of other cars and prices etc he has not really got ground to argue his car is "Worth" what he is asking  :happy2:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: DJM on January 17, 2012, 01:42:18 pm
As said previously the book is useless. If the book price was bang on everyone would be happy with the value the insurance pay out if you was to write off lol.

In my experience the book price isnt going to adjust the price for the spec etc. Look at white gti's they will fetch around £1000 more than a silver one i found when looking. All down to what the market is selling like to what prices will be.

Prime example is the mk1 focus RS i had before. For a 53 plate car (8 years old at time i bet the book price wouldnt be 10k). I know they still fetch over 10k now in mint condition.

YOu just got to pay what you feel is reasonable for the car. Wouldnt worry about book price as car will fetch what market is saying more or less.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Tamiyoman on January 17, 2012, 01:46:59 pm
In that case i deffo got a good deal on my candy White Ed30 5dr (only saw 2 white 5 doors for sale in the 3-4 months I was looking), I did have to spend £500 on the car tho to get ut upto my std, including 2 new tyres, front splitter repainting and getting a spare key cut, otherwise it was fine.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 02:03:04 pm
okay so I'll totally ignore the book.Ill spend time watching auto trader like a hawk and seeing how long bongs take to shift.  I must say I love how helpful this forum is.  Its a good community on here!!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Dw1 on January 17, 2012, 04:15:53 pm
Autotrader is not the only place; classifieds, this forum, other forums, pistonheads etc.

It also depends how much time you are prepared to spend looking and if you fall for one that ticks the boxes. For me I didn't want to spend months searching as I didn't have the time. I specifically wanted 5 doors, leather throughout, dual climate, heated seats and cdchanger or iPod sub 60k miles. There weren't masses out there that fitted that spec. I narrowly missed out on one priced at 8,750 (it's still advertised on autotrader but is sold) that ticked all the boxes, so when another local to me came up similar in all respects I went for it - it was a decision of the head and the heart. Not the bargain of the century but a reasonable deal at about the fair market price.

If you have very specific reuirements, you have limited time and you fall for one then you're probably prepared to pay that little bit more. Then it's down to your haggling skills and how much you want THAT particular car.

Good luck with your search.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Black9 on January 17, 2012, 05:12:33 pm
If u get a car for book value or close your doing well! Like mentioned a book can't determine the value of a wide range of cars especially based on spec, mileage & cond. A cars only worth what someone's willing to pay, so in that case I wouldn't say all MKVs are overpriced.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: VC on January 17, 2012, 06:03:11 pm
Quote from: Dw1
VC - you seem a savvy exception to the rule

ya dam right i am  :pomppomp:

i r unique  :grin:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 06:06:33 pm
Quote from: Dw1
VC - you seem a savvy exception to the rule

ya dam right i am  :pomppomp:

i r unique  :grin:

 :signLOL:

I must say I'm impressed not sure I'd be able to pull it off!  You certainly know your stuff.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: DJM on January 17, 2012, 06:07:47 pm
In that case i deffo got a good deal on my candy White Ed30 5dr (only saw 2 white 5 doors for sale in the 3-4 months I was looking), I did have to spend £500 on the car tho to get ut upto my std, including 2 new tyres, front splitter repainting and getting a spare key cut, otherwise it was fine.


Yeah my white GTi was up for £9750 and i got it for £8800 but looking around for mileage and spec (bar the bucket seats) I could have got similar spec in silver for £7000. But other white ones at dealers were up over 10000 with poorer spec.

I found golfs were all over the price though. Ranged from like £6500 to £11000 for 2005-2007 models. When year and spec shouldnt really make that much difference. Down to how much someone wants to sell.

I remember a red one awesome spec, well looked after was up for £11000. I offered him 10000, he rejected straight away. 8 weeks later i seen it advertised for 9400.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: DJM on January 17, 2012, 06:12:33 pm
okay so I'll totally ignore the book.Ill spend time watching auto trader like a hawk and seeing how long bongs take to shift.  I must say I love how helpful this forum is.  Its a good community on here!!

Main advice i would give is think about what you want (spec wise). Read about price etc also.
My main spec was i wanted white or black, without the standard gti seats. Bonus would be sat nav and xenons but no biggy. They can both be retro fitted for around 300-500 each. So bare that in mind when looking at cars with diff spec.

I ended up with a candy white one with tartan bucket seats. Ex demo so every option apart from sat nav n xenons lol.

Big bonus i liked was highline display  :happy2:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 06:28:49 pm
okay so I'll totally ignore the book.Ill spend time watching auto trader like a hawk and seeing how long bongs take to shift.  I must say I love how helpful this forum is.  Its a good community on here!!

Main advice i would give is think about what you want (spec wise). Read about price etc also.
My main spec was i wanted white or black, without the standard gti seats. Bonus would be sat nav and xenons but no biggy. They can both be retro fitted for around 300-500 each. So bare that in mind when looking at cars with diff spec.

I ended up with a candy white one with tartan bucket seats. Ex demo so every option apart from sat nav n xenons lol.

Big bonus i liked was highline display  :happy2:


Thanks for that.  May I ask if you could please give me some pointers as to where I could retrofit OEM xenon headlights? Or who I could contact?
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Greeners on January 17, 2012, 06:38:13 pm
It's just a case of keeping an eye on the classified and ebay etc. Fitting is fairly easy. Depending where you are in the world I'd be happy to help you fit as and when!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 06:44:38 pm
It's just a case of keeping an eye on the classified and ebay etc. Fitting is fairly easy. Depending where you are in the world I'd be happy to help you fit as and when!  :happy2:

Thanks.  Im based in london.  Where are you based?  Id be willing to travel.  I've seen bits on ebay.  Just don't know what else to buy apart from the headlights.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Shorty on January 17, 2012, 07:38:33 pm
As everyone has said, with cars like this the book price goes out the window. More so Edition 30's as they were limited run.

I bought mine privately in November.

07 plate Edition 30 3 door, DSG, 47k miles, xenons, parking sensors, cruise, sunroof, ipod, luxury pack, it hasnt got highline or MFSW but will have this week. Full service history from VW and i paid £11500 which i thought was good money being honest!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Greeners on January 17, 2012, 07:44:23 pm
It's just a case of keeping an eye on the classified and ebay etc. Fitting is fairly easy. Depending where you are in the world I'd be happy to help you fit as and when!  :happy2:

Thanks.  Im based in london.  Where are you based?  Id be willing to travel.  I've seen bits on ebay.  Just don't know what else to buy apart from the headlights.

I'm south Birmingham (Solihull) so not a million miles away. Ideally you will need the headlights complete with bulbs, ballasts and igniters and preferably the Kufatec adapter for the main headlight plug!  :happy2:

They will then need coding with VCDS.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: too hot on January 17, 2012, 07:52:03 pm
Heres how it is
If you are  buying its too dear :laugh: :laugh:
If you are selling its too cheap :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 08:09:23 pm
It's just a case of keeping an eye on the classified and ebay etc. Fitting is fairly easy. Depending where you are in the world I'd be happy to help you fit as and when!  :happy2:

Thanks.  Im based in london.  Where are you based?  Id be willing to travel.  I've seen bits on ebay.  Just don't know what else to buy apart from the headlights.

I'm south Birmingham (Solihull) so not a million miles away. Ideally you will need the headlights complete with bulbs, ballasts and igniters and preferably the Kufatec adapter for the main headlight plug!  :happy2:

They will then need coding with VCDS.

If I were to source all this would you be able to fit the headlights.  I don't see many eddies with xenons.  Im looking at three door silver or grey DSG. Thats the main thing everything else is bonus.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 17, 2012, 08:11:48 pm
Heres how it is
If you are  buying its too dear :laugh: :laugh:
If you are selling its too cheap :laugh: :laugh:

 :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:

Wanted to get an idea on figures as people on here seem very well clued up!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Greeners on January 17, 2012, 08:12:41 pm
It's just a case of keeping an eye on the classified and ebay etc. Fitting is fairly easy. Depending where you are in the world I'd be happy to help you fit as and when!  :happy2:

Thanks.  Im based in london.  Where are you based?  Id be willing to travel.  I've seen bits on ebay.  Just don't know what else to buy apart from the headlights.

I'm south Birmingham (Solihull) so not a million miles away. Ideally you will need the headlights complete with bulbs, ballasts and igniters and preferably the Kufatec adapter for the main headlight plug!  :happy2:

They will then need coding with VCDS.

If I were to source all this would you be able to fit the headlights.  I don't see many eddies with xenons.  Im looking at three door silver or grey DSG. Thats the main thing everything else is bonus.

Yup I could do that for you!  :happy2:

If you buy from someone on here they will probably sell the complete set. If from ebay etc you may just need the kufatec loom.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Hedge on January 17, 2012, 08:36:46 pm
Quote from: Dw1
VC - you seem a savvy exception to the rule

ya dam right i am  :pomppomp:

i r unique  :grin:

Yup. U r speshul.   :drool:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Frodo-anni on January 17, 2012, 09:44:33 pm
When i advertised my 25th Anniversary in July prices were all over the place, ranging from £4.5k upto £8995. I tried my luck at £7495, but soon lowered it with only one interested party at Inters. Mine was a genune mint example, FVWSH and 72k on the clock. Sold after 5 weeks for £6500, for a nearly 9 year old car, i was pretty happy in the end.

When looking at ED30's you could find a car at £10-11k, but if it didnt have xenons, MFSW, armrest, highline etc.. you could well end up paying out a further £1k to retro-fit. Im very happy with the car i have just bought, silver dsg 5dr, 1 owner from new, FVWSH, xenons, highline, armrest, usb and 42k on the clock. Paid that little more as i found it at a main dealer, so happy to take the  warranty to cover the DSG box and have come back with any issues i may have.

All the best with finding the right one, but you have to be willing to travel. I travelled upto scotland, to Norwich, to South Birmingham, from west yorkshire, to find sheds, only to find one 26 miles away on barnsley  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Oli on January 17, 2012, 09:52:33 pm
In fact Oli, you won't believe this but the car I was offered by this dealer is actually the one you have in the forsale section lol! Just checked the reg against the pics I got sent!

Haha, yes I did speak to a dealer on the isle of man yesterday. How much did they offer it to you for?  I said they could have it for £12500, you can buy it direct if you want. I can add a platinum RAC warranty onto if you pay for it, I'll only charge what it costs me
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Matty! on January 17, 2012, 10:49:38 pm
Book says my lupos worth £2000, its worth double that easy. they just look at it as a car, not at what it really is!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Ibanezvaio on January 17, 2012, 10:59:04 pm
Hey Oli. They offered it to me for £14,750. It's a great looking car but your price seems more in my budget! He also offered me the chance to get slammed on my trade in lol

I'll reply to your PM-it is 10 posts to view and reply to PMs right?
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: tony_danza on January 17, 2012, 11:52:18 pm
Sellers want the most they can get, buyers want the best bargain - somewhere in the middle ground they must meet, or nothing would ever sell.

There are oddballs, people asking insane money for stuff.... but only for us to laugh at!!

I do like the modder's tax though:

Pick highest priced car out of the Trader and price yours the same, add on cost of all mods to the car at receipt price and 10% "real head turner" tax.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: the bruce on January 18, 2012, 12:11:51 am
A car is worth what someone is prepared to pay, no more, no less!!

 :happy2: :wink: :happy2:
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: tkboyle on January 18, 2012, 08:32:15 am
When i advertised my 25th Anniversary in July prices were all over the place, ranging from £4.5k upto £8995. I tried my luck at £7495, but soon lowered it with only one interested party at Inters. Mine was a genune mint example, FVWSH and 72k on the clock. Sold after 5 weeks for £6500, for a nearly 9 year old car, i was pretty happy in the end.

When looking at ED30's you could find a car at £10-11k, but if it didnt have xenons, MFSW, armrest, highline etc.. you could well end up paying out a further £1k to retro-fit. Im very happy with the car i have just bought, silver dsg 5dr, 1 owner from new, FVWSH, xenons, highline, armrest, usb and 42k on the clock. Paid that little more as i found it at a main dealer, so happy to take the  warranty to cover the DSG box and have come back with any issues i may have.

All the best with finding the right one, but you have to be willing to travel. I travelled upto scotland, to Norwich, to South Birmingham, from west yorkshire, to find sheds, only to find one 26 miles away on barnsley  :signLOL:


That's pretty much how my search went.

You will always pay a premium for main dealer.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 21, 2012, 09:05:47 pm
It's just a case of keeping an eye on the classified and ebay etc. Fitting is fairly easy. Depending where you are in the world I'd be happy to help you fit as and when!  :happy2:

Thanks.  Im based in london.  Where are you based?  Id be willing to travel.  I've seen bits on ebay.  Just don't know what else to buy apart from the headlights.

I'm south Birmingham (Solihull) so not a million miles away. Ideally you will need the headlights complete with bulbs, ballasts and igniters and preferably the Kufatec adapter for the main headlight plug!  :happy2:

They will then need coding with VCDS.

If I were to source all this would you be able to fit the headlights.  I don't see many eddies with xenons.  Im looking at three door silver or grey DSG. Thats the main thing everything else is bonus.

Yup I could do that for you!  :happy2:

If you buy from someone on here they will probably sell the complete set. If from ebay etc you may just need the kufatec loom.

 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
 :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:

Thanks for that.  Would that include the levelling kit and washers etc?  How would one go about doing the VCDS?  Or do you off a complete solution.  Feel free to PM if need be!

On that note...I've rung up one car today and the trader admitted the history wasn't quite complete.  The other car was sold.   No other car available for me online at the moment.  I don't fancy red or white.  Would love a grey or silver example.  Not particualrly keen on black as I have a black polo.   I'm just going to learn to enjoy looking for the perfect example.  It's all part of the fun!

Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Greeners on January 21, 2012, 09:39:08 pm
I've just fitted my own on and removed a few so know my way round the tricky bits thats all. And I have a VCDS cable.

Levellers and washers are doable but very expensive. Pretty sure Morty (Darren) has done these.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on January 21, 2012, 09:58:14 pm
I've just fitted my own on and removed a few so know my way round the tricky bits thats all. And I have a VCDS cable.

Levellers and washers are doable but very expensive. Pretty sure Morty (Darren) has done these.

I was concerned come MOT time as levellers and washers are needed with xenon cars due to EU regs.  Would you be willing to do washers and levelers?
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Greeners on January 21, 2012, 10:00:57 pm
I've just fitted my own on and removed a few so know my way round the tricky bits thats all. And I have a VCDS cable.

Levellers and washers are doable but very expensive. Pretty sure Morty (Darren) has done these.

I was concerned come MOT time as levellers and washers are needed with xenon cars due to EU regs.  Would you be willing to do washers and levelers?

Wouldn't know where to start fella!
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: driver rider on February 06, 2012, 04:38:14 pm
I've just fitted my own on and removed a few so know my way round the tricky bits thats all. And I have a VCDS cable.

Levellers and washers are doable but very expensive. Pretty sure Morty (Darren) has done these.

I was concerned come MOT time as levellers and washers are needed with xenon cars due to EU regs.  Would you be willing to do washers and levelers?

Wouldn't know where to start fella!

I may just wait patiently for a xenon example. I may get a 90K example and trade up to an eddie later in the year.
Title: Re: Do private sellers and sometimes traders overprice their cars?
Post by: Tamiyoman on February 07, 2012, 10:52:09 am
Anyone seen the Red Edition 30 on Fee-pay 07 plate advertised as Low mileage example, its got 67K how is that LOW?  :signLOL:

Poor feedback as well  :scared: