MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: gti yorks on January 18, 2012, 08:50:38 pm
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..........pull in directly if front of a lorry while leaving a motorway or dual carriageway???
sorry for the odd question, but i am a lorry driver and am intrigued as to why car drivers do this, i can be running at a total weight 44t and obviously it will not stop in as some people must think it will. Cars pulling in directly in front of me and braking hard is something i have to deal with quite a few times a day and for the life of me i cant understand it, i have seen the aftermath of a car getting rear ended by an HGV and trust me, its a scary site. Alot of the time this happens i have absolutely nothing behind me but coming past the last exit marker cars start diving into gaps like kamikaze pilots that arent there, i leave a large gap between me and the vehicle in front but the space just gets swallowed up by cars whose driver have a death wish i think.
i just wanted to ask if anyone does it and if so why??? its not like they are gaining much time ar anything so its a pretty pointless exercise but has high consequences if traffic comes to a sudden halt.
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I don't own a BMW.....so no....I don't :innocent:
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I don't own a BMW.....so no....I don't :innocent:
:signLOL: like it, great reply. i was also going to say, its very rarely a GTI does it but BMW's :fighting: :fighting:
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I've known a few truck drivers (a lot of my older friends still are) and may have been lucky with the advice given to me by them.
I always try and think of the HGV driver's next step - have never pulled in front of one to slam on the anchors, nor do I get up beside one on a roundabout!
Many years ago my mate had a (new at the time) mk4 Golf get up beside him on a roundabout, and it got stuck under the trailer. He wasn't even aware he dragged it 1/4 of a mile until he wondered why everyone was flashing and pointing at him!
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I don't but I see alot of it when driving and think people need more training about other types of vehicles and be aware of the space they need to brake and manoeuvre.
I think my awareness has something to do with my dad being a HGV driver and growing up around them and listening to him moan about said muppets lol. I've also driven an artic albeit around an airfield but showed how much room is needed amongst other things.
So I tend to have better awareness for the space they need or for things like not coming to a complete standstill when fully loaded as its a pain to get going again etc and if I can move lanes or do something to make a drivers life easier I will. I just seem to get more thank you's when I'm in the van compared to the car lol
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I always try and think of the HGV driver's next step - have never pulled in front of one to slam on the anchors, nor do I get up beside one on a roundabout!
The amount of times I've seen that and then seen them slam the anchors on when the trailer shuts the door lol.
Other ones are when there's road works to make 2 lanes to 1 and they try and beat the truck into them even when the cones are comin into the lane. My dad said he gives them the option to slow down and go behind or count the cones :evilgrin:
But my dad always says even tho 90% of the time they are not in the wrong they still get all the abuse from the car drivers even on single carriageways when they are restricted
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No I keep a wide berth from HGV's as I'm never quite sure when they may change lanes! :scared:
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No, I don't either. I've got an HGV license and I've also been cut out of a car by the Fire Brigade that an articulated truck had rolled onto - I do not recommend that situation to anyone ever!
I think car drivers need educating about trucks and stuff.
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Normally I am very good, but did almost get caught out the other day as myself and another car slipped in front of a lorry before our exit. Would have been fine apart from car in front braked to about 30mph to take a 120 degree bend! I was almost pushing it up the slip road.
So apologies for that one.
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your following some good advice there lads, but for everyone car that follows your advice, another 100 will do the opposite. i can get days where it will be great and everyone is sensible and others where it seems like alot of people have a deathwish. 1 of our drivers had a car pull in front of him and slam his brakes on, the guy tried to put in a big personal injury claim, but someone seen the accident but didnt stop and spotted the "police witness signs the next day" and came forward to say what had happened and the car driver got prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. after that incident we now have road hawk systems fitted on out trucks, some of the things we get on them would totally blow your mind, total madness :surprised:
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after that incident we now have road hawk systems fitted on out trucks, some of the things we get on them would totally blow your mind, total madness :surprised:
I bet!!!!!! :laugh:
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I do drive a BMW and to answer your question no I don't, do you as a truck driver sit up my arse when I'm doing 50 in roadworks with average speed cameras? This is something that I see on a daily basis and Proper gets on my nerves as obviously cars pulling in front of trucks does you.
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Yeh lets not pretend all HGV drivers are saints!!
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I do drive a BMW and to answer your question no I don't, do you as a truck driver sit up my arse when I'm doing 50 in roadworks with average speed cameras? This is something that I see on a daily basis and Proper gets on my nerves as obviously cars pulling in front of trucks does you.
do i sense a touch of anger in your reply, or am i just reading too much into it??
no, i dont sit up a cars arse when your doing 50 in roadworks, i dont have to, as a BMW always sits in the middle lane even when the nearside is clear, so i can just sail on up the inside :P
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Yeh lets not pretend all HGV drivers are saints!!
I'm sure truck drivers see all sorts of terrible driving and drivers and people don't realise how long it would take to stop one of them rascals............. but I do see some questionable driving from HGV drivers, I know they need to keep momentum up etc but putting the indicator on does not automatically create a space for them to pull into, but it doesn't stop them pulling out :smiley:
O and lets not forget the truck going 0.1mph faster than the other overtaking on a dual carriageway :laugh:
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Yeh lets not pretend all HGV drivers are saints!!
i am not trying to paint HGV drivers as saints at all, alot of them are far from it. everyone could throw scenarios in about both sides but i only wanted to ask a question and i thought this would be a good place to ask it as its a car drivers forum
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Normally I am very good, but did almost get caught out the other day as myself and another car slipped in front of a lorry before our exit. Would have been fine apart from car in front braked to about 30mph to take a 120 degree bend! I was almost pushing it up the slip road.
So apologies for that one.
thanks for your honesty, its easily done, it wasnt til i started driving HGV's that i realised how easy it is as a car driver to get yourself into a dangerous situation
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I nearly got out of my car once to smack a Hgv driver same scene as jhtrophy IE up my arse in a 50 zone I had my 3 year old son in his child seat and it was easy to see him in the seat and let's put this way he got told to back the feck off I have a child in the back and think about how quickly I can stop and he can't and he could kill someone. He did not do it again I hope
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I'm obviously not angry at you fella, but if I went on a scania forum :signLOL: and started a thread and said do you sit up my arse in a truck ant get wound up be because you can still go 6 mph more, I would get an argument from a trucker point Of view, swings and roundabouts, world is full of idiots, some drive BMW, some scanias.
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I nearly got out of my car once to smack a Hgv driver same scene as jhtrophy IE up my arse in a 50 zone I had my 3 year old son in his child seat and it was easy to see him in the seat and let's put this way he got told to back the feck off I have a child in the back and think about how quickly I can stop and he can't and he could kill someone. He did not do it again I hope
no need for it mate, its just intimidation on the HGV drivers part.
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I'm obviously not angry at you fella, but if I went on a scania forum :signLOL: and started a thread and said do you sit up my arse in a truck ant get wound up be because you can still go 6 mph more, I would get an argument from a trucker point Of view, swings and roundabouts, world is full of idiots, some drive BMW, some scanias.
fair point mate, i havent meant it as a wind up to car drivers, it was a question i had thought about a few times and just thought i would ask the question. i didnt want to wind anybody up and i am not trying to make HGV drivers out to be saints, as i know only to well alot arent. Maybe i should have left the bit out about me being a HGV driver out of the OP and said i had noticed my question as an observation, not having a dig at car drivers at all, i am one myself after all :happy2:
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I've found it just varies as much as ordinary drivers. Some seem to respect the road and other road users. Others seem to think they have right of way.
In all honesty, I stay away from HGV drivers. If I have to overtake, I'll use the outside lane instead of just the middle lane. I watch what's in front of them as well as me so I can anticipate. I've seen HGV drivers in the outside lanes of motorways. Don't trust 'em.
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Never thought you were having a dig dude :happy2: do they have scania forums? :signLOL:
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I always try to leave plenty of space even when im behind one, as i cant see what is ahead if im too close.
My girlfriend wonder why i got funn with her the other night, when on a wet busy m62 she decided to die infront of an artic as we had entered a 50mph roadwork section :fighting: :fighting: still dont think she understood or understood why she got lots of light flashing and a lot of horn :signLOL:
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Never thought you were having a dig dude :happy2: do they have scania forums? :signLOL:
yeah there is a few truck drivers forums, i only go on 1 of them, http://www.trucknetuk.com/, its not a ranting station about car drivers, alot of ranting about other HGV drivers lol
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I nearly got out of my car once to smack a Hgv driver same scene as jhtrophy IE up my arse in a 50 zone I had my 3 year old son in his child seat and it was easy to see him in the seat and let's put this way he got told to back the feck off I have a child in the back and think about how quickly I can stop and he can't and he could kill someone. He did not do it again I hope
no need for it mate, its just intimidation on the HGV drivers part.
So its ok for the HGV driver to tailgate or intimidate as you call it, but when the intimdating is on the other foot theres no need for it?
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I've found it just varies as much as ordinary drivers. Some seem to respect the road and other road users. Others seem to think they have right of way.
In all honesty, I stay away from HGV drivers. If I have to overtake, I'll use the outside lane instead of just the middle lane. I watch what's in front of them as well as me so I can anticipate. I've seen HGV drivers in the outside lanes of motorways. Don't trust 'em.
best way mate, i dont trust anyone on the road, always expect the unexpected
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O and lets not forget the truck going 0.1mph faster than the other overtaking on a dual carriageway :laugh:
Ah, elephant racing. I followed two HGVs for just under 10 miles once before the guy trying to overtake gave in and pulled back in behind his "competitor". I reckon there was a tailback of about 2 miles somewhere between Scotch Corner and Newton Aycliffe.
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I nearly got out of my car once to smack a Hgv driver same scene as jhtrophy IE up my arse in a 50 zone I had my 3 year old son in his child seat and it was easy to see him in the seat and let's put this way he got told to back the feck off I have a child in the back and think about how quickly I can stop and he can't and he could kill someone. He did not do it again I hope
no need for it mate, its just intimidation on the HGV drivers part.
So its ok for the HGV driver to tailgate or intimidate as you call it, but when the intimdating is on the other foot theres no need for it?
i shall make myself clearer then, there was no need for the HGV driver to be tailgating, it was just intimidation on the HGV drivers part who would have deserved a slap............jeez, talk about getting hold of the wrong end of the stick
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on a side note i have full respect for lorry drivers for two reasons...
first when my mate had an accident once (someone hit him up the rear) the lorry pulled over to block other cars as it was a dual carriageway so we could all safely get across the lanes pushing the cars!
second when it was my granddads funeral there was 5 cars following the hearse, at a set of traffic lights the hearse turned right and oncoming cars ment the convoy got broken up, an eddie stowbart lorry blocked both lanes to let all the cars across in one go!
full respect to them, although ive seen a few wrist exercisers as well :signLOL:
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I think cars jump in front of HGVs due to the pre-assumption they'll go very slowly.
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Yeh lets not pretend all HGV drivers are saints!!
I'm sure truck drivers see all sorts of terrible driving and drivers and people don't realise how long it would take to stop one of them rascals............. but I do see some questionable driving from HGV drivers, I know they need to keep momentum up etc but putting the indicator on does not automatically create a space for them to pull into, but it doesn't stop them pulling out :smiley:
O and lets not forget the truck going 0.1mph faster than the other overtaking on a dual carriageway :laugh:
i do my utmost to try and drive courteously for HGV drivers. i know it takes a long time for you to build up speed again. but THIS winds me up no end. the vast majority of HGV drivers don't seem to show much courtesy near where i live either and the number of times i've seen lorry drivers try and overtake on the dual carriageways near where i live just to realise they can't and then pull back in all the while creating a big line of traffic behind them winds me up.
don't mean to have a go, but it's no different to a BMW (or any other make) driver pulling out in front of you. being discourteous is being discourteous so it's a little hard to take sides with HGV drivers when some of them are as bad as car drivers.
on a lighter note:
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:signLOL: Is he still driving :signLOL:
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Going back to the original question. Is it perhaps Sat Navs giving late instructions for junctions , had it with mine .
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50mph zones and trucks for tailgaiting/speeding can be bad, as some leave the cruise at 56mph as they reckon they won't get done. See it alot in te average speed cameras on the m25 and round the north circular. On the motorways it always seems to be te Irish or foreigners (not trying to stereotype here) toeing it to Dover for the ferry and on the north circ and a13 seems to be the tipper driver mob who seem to want to be everywhere yesterday.
There's a percentage of every vehicle type on the road that give them a bad name, can say similar stuff for bikes, 4x4, prestige motors, trucks, coaches etc all have their bunch of idiots who shouldn't have been given a license and ones who drive as you should.
But back on topic, as for lorry's overtaking on dual carriageways I bet any money the truck being overtaken is a supermarket truck as by law they have to go at least 10mph under the speed limit to get their hours in :signLOL:
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if the hgv has nt got english plates i stay well away , them lot are all crazy :laugh:
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if the hgv has nt got english plates i stay well away , them lot are all crazy :laugh:
Yeah I agree, truckers in Europe :scared:
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I think there needs to be significant reform in the way people are taught to drive. Motorway lessons (and a test) should be compulsory. It beggars belief that kids spend endless hours learning how to reverse into a car parking space, yet they don't receive any instruction on how to drive a car at speed safely, and more importantly, be aware of the things around you.
For instance, you should have to spend time on an airfield learning how to handle a car if you need to make a very sudden change of direction.
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I think there needs to be significant reform in the way people are taught to drive. Motorway lessons (and a test) should be compulsory. It beggars belief that kids spend endless hours learning how to reverse into a car parking space, yet they don't receive any instruction on how to drive a car at speed safely, and more importantly, be aware of the things around you.
For instance, you should have to spend time on an airfield learning how to handle a car if you need to make a very sudden change of direction.
But in driving lessons you don't get taught how to drive, you get taught how to pass a test and that is where the problem lies with anything to do with tests to do with anything of a practical nature.
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Maybe some sort of pass plus should be compulsory? Maybe break things up into: theory, driving, advance driving tests?
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Maybe some sort of pass plus should be compulsory? Maybe break things up into: theory, driving, advance driving tests?
I done pass plus when I passed nearly 8years ago but only done it to drop my insurance costs. I think there should be a 2 part driving test like motorbikes have for the full license and you don't get your license until both parts are passed. So part 1 is the basics, understanding other vehicle types, around town and possibly A roads and then the second part is Motorways, major junctions. Or something like that anyways
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I think there needs to be significant reform in the way people are taught to drive. Motorway lessons (and a test) should be compulsory. It beggars belief that kids spend endless hours learning how to reverse into a car parking space, yet they don't receive any instruction on how to drive a car at speed safely, and more importantly, be aware of the things around you.
For instance, you should have to spend time on an airfield learning how to handle a car if you need to make a very sudden change of direction.
But in driving lessons you don't get taught how to drive, you get taught how to pass a test and that is where the problem lies with anything to do with tests to do with anything of a practical nature.
Yeah, I agree completely.
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I would argue that you should have a minimum amount of hours driving before moving on to advanced driving eg three months after passing the standard driving test. The advanced test could be done in your own car.
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Why do HGV drivers always undertake :scared: ?
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Why do HGV drivers always undertake :scared: ?
Generally because SOME car drivers do not believe the inside lane is for car use even when it's clear, they are quite happy to hover around 50-55mph in the middle lane being a nuisance to all other road users. As for it being undertaking, I don't see it as that, if I am in the inside lane and it's clear I am going with the flow of traffic.
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Just seen this thread...silly question, of course I do it!! In fact, I do it every day!! :grin: :innocent: The BMW handbook told me to do it..... :scared:
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Why do HGV drivers always undertake :scared: ?
Generally because SOME car drivers do not believe the inside lane is for car use even when it's clear, they are quite happy to hover around 50-55mph in the middle lane being a nuisance to all other road users. As for it being undertaking, I don't see it as that, if I am in the inside lane and it's clear I am going with the flow of traffic.
I got 3 points for undertaking :scared:
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Why do HGV drivers always undertake :scared: ?
Generally because SOME car drivers do not believe the inside lane is for car use even when it's clear, they are quite happy to hover around 50-55mph in the middle lane being a nuisance to all other road users. As for it being undertaking, I don't see it as that, if I am in the inside lane and it's clear I am going with the flow of traffic.
To add to that if you are in a car doing less than 56mph on a motorway in the middle lane with a clear lane to your left then WTF are you playing at? :stupid:
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+1. One of my biggest bugbears. I've seen people do 60mph in the outside lane of a clear motorway. WTF?!?! :stupid:
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+1. One of my biggest bugbears. I've seen people do 60mph in the outside lane of a clear motorway. WTF?!?! :stupid:
I've had someone doing 50mph on a duel carriageway and was in the van. Nothing on te inside lane and she was sat in the outside. I don't undertake, so I left a over a cars length between me and her and after 800yards she pulled in. Thought happy days can get going now but then her window went down and she stuck her finger up and was shouting abuse at me, to which I just laughed and carried on, but the whole time I was passing she never looked in front of her once
There was one of them grumpy old program's on the other month but with celebs of both sexes and it was about driving. I ended up turning it off as they was winding me up trying to justify not sticking to lane discipline etc saying none of its law even tho it's all in the highway code.. Rant over lol
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Why do HGV drivers always undertake :scared: ?
Generally because SOME car drivers do not believe the inside lane is for car use even when it's clear, they are quite happy to hover around 50-55mph in the middle lane being a nuisance to all other road users. As for it being undertaking, I don't see it as that, if I am in the inside lane and it's clear I am going with the flow of traffic.
To add to that if you are in a car doing less than 56mph on a motorway in the middle lane with a clear lane to your left then WTF are you playing at? :stupid:
you would be surprised at the amount of people that drive at 50-55mph in the middle lane, you would notice them more if you were in a HGV as when you are in a car you just overtake and carry on. you see some people and as soon as they join the motorway, they go straight into the middle lane and wont move out of it until they are leaving the motorway :stupid:
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i've seen a traffic copper pull someone over for middle lane driving recently on the M6. hopefully there will be more of this. middle lane driving effectively reduces a 3 lane carriageway into 2 lanes, so the 80mph increase won't be anywhere near as effective as actually punishing middle lane drivers with a points and/or a fine. simple flow dynamics - 2 lanes at 80mph won't be as efficient as 3 lanes at 70mph
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With regards to the 'elephant racing' on dual carriageways, 95% of HGV drivers fail to remember its a 50mph limt on dual carriageways and drive on their speed limiters (its 60 on motorways, but obviously they're restricted to 56mph or 90km/h by european law). I always sit at 50mph on dual carriageways, partly because its law, partly because were satelite tracked 24/7 but mainly as it gives me chance to pass slower vehicles with ease, by briefly speeding up to 56 to get by.