MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: the bruce on January 28, 2012, 10:20:14 am
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As some of you know I run the Sachs Performance coilover. It still isn't as popular
like KW Variant 3 or Bilstein B16 coilovers because Sachs concentrates on OEM
and top class motorsports.
So Ferrari F1 runs Sachs suspensions and so do McLaren, Brawn or Volkswagen
Motorsport with their Sciroccos and GTI24.
The Sachs Performance coilover is developed by the racing division called ''SRE''
(Sachs Race Engineering). They just make it for a couple of cars (BMW 1 & 3 series,
Lotus Elise, Exige and Opel/Vauxhall Speedster, Porsche Boxster & 911, Volkswagen
Group PQ35/36 > Golf V/VI, A3, Scirocco, Octavia etc.).
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current shape front spring:
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Construction is similar to Bilstein's B16 PSS10, so with mono tube upside down and
damper adjustment bump + rebound with a single knob, but 20 klicks instead of 10.
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sachsperformance.com%2FSachs-Performance-Coilover-Suspension%2FSeat%2FSeat-Altea-5P1-03-04-%253E%2F2-0-TDI-125kW-03-06-%2FSachs-Performance-Coilover-Suspension%3A%3A443.html&hash=ec33d905a8bb7ec5ba39a6370785cacfe9d7e0bf)
SACHS RACE ENGINEERING (http://'http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sachs-Performance-Coilover-Suspension/Seat/Seat-Altea-5P1-03-04-%3E/2-0-TDI-125kW-03-06-/Sachs-Performance-Coilover-Suspension::443.html')
http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sachs-Performance-Coilover-Suspension/Seat/Seat-Altea-5P1-03-04-%3E/2-0-TDI-125kW-03-06-/Sachs-Performance-Coilover-Suspension::443.html
TÜV certificate (http://'http://www.sachsperformance.com/media/pdf/fahrwerk/TG841500.118453.pdf')
damper adjustment (http://'http://www.sachsperformance.com/media/pdf/fahrwerk/BA841500.118453.pdf')
fitting instructions (http://'http://www.sachsperformance.com/media/pdf/fahrwerk/EB841500.118453d.pdf')
http://www.autops.co.uk/product.asp?catalog=020904&productid=311141&order=&manu=
Sachs did some changes since introduction. Most obvious is the different shape and
rate of the front springs. I first had the early type and later got the newer version
(for free).
After this it feels perfectly balanced. Ride comfort and handling depend on damper
setting of course. Set to full soft ('-20') is just little bit more planted than stock, set
to '0' (full stiff) it feels like a race car (although I would not set it on full stiff even for
track use).
Car feels much more planted and 'safe' on high speeds. Braking from Vmax isn't a
thrill no more.
Changing damper setup is a thing of just two minutes. So it's easy to experiment
with different adjustments. A very helpful point in particular on track.
Because Rex liked this picture: :wink:
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They look awesome Holger :party: :party:
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The look the part. Very Bilstein B16 esque.
but £1783.50 :scared: :scared: :scared:
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Currently they sell it in Germany for only 1330,-- €* if you click on 'Volkswagen' and then 'Scirocco'. :wink:
http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sachs-Performance-Gewindefahrwerke:::3221.html
Don't ask me why !! :grin:
* that's ~ 1118.-- pounds if I'm right
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Currently they sell it in Germany for only 1330,-- €* if you click on 'Volkswagen' and then 'Scirocco'. :wink:
http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sachs-Performance-Gewindefahrwerke:::3221.html
Don't ask me why !! :grin:
* that's ~ 1118.-- pounds if I'm right
About what I paid for the V3s :happy2:
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Currently they sell it in Germany for only 1330,-- €* if you click on 'Volkswagen' and then 'Scirocco'. :wink:
http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sachs-Performance-Gewindefahrwerke:::3221.html
Don't ask me why !! :grin:
* that's ~ 1118.-- pounds if I'm right
Ahhh, same if you klick on 'Golf VI'. And also same weights like Scirocco (but different to Mk.V).
But will fit Mk.Vs as well of course. I don't see any significant difference in weight between
Mk.V and Mk.VI.
The above price sounds like a good deal.
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Sachs stuff is superb. Do you have to rebuild them every x-miles??
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Not that I know, Tony. :smiley:
But I already run them for almost three years and last summer I got new rear dampers
and new front springs (for free). New dampers with improved adjustment seals + the
front springs have a different geometry.
If I change the car (and if it will be a GTI again) I will also send the front dampers to
SRE for a check and possibly a rebuilt. No problem at all at the moment, just to be on
the safer side for the next years.
The engineer at SRE was a kind guy, so I'm sure we'll find a way at reasonable cost
if sometimes a rebuilt is neccessary.
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I love the gaiters - obviously designed for a road car in mind. :wink: :congrats:
Sachs make some really top quality stuff. :happy2:
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Whats the corrosion resistance like on these? Bilsteins are awful!
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Guess front struts and rear dampers are zinc plated. Rear sping supports are anodised aluminium alloy.
No issues after three winter seasons with lots of salt. No rust on springs also.
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Whats the corrosion resistance like on these? Bilsteins are awful!
Which Bilsteins are you referring to?
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Hey Bruce, do you still have the Sachs coilover?
Can you post here more opinions? How does it perform on the track?
Any chance to make a versus against Bilstein B16PSS10?
Thx.
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Hey Bruce, do you still have the Sachs coilover?
Can you post here more opinions? How does it perform on the track?
Any chance to make a versus against Bilstein B16PSS10?
Sold the car with it. No complaints. I would buy it again (or an Öhlins).