MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Performance Modifications => Modifications & Technical Area => APR Zone => Topic started by: Poverty on January 29, 2012, 11:07:10 pm
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Right so ive been lucky enough to have been given the chance to absolutely cane the granny out of a Golf R with APR's new software for a week. Im not sure what its official name is, but I just call it the APR 2.0tfsi v3.0 software lol.
Bit of background on myself, I previously owned a revo stage 2+ mk2 leon cupra k1, and currently a stage 2 TTRS.
Now getting into this car I wasnt sure what to expect, as APR had a reputation in the UK atleast for being tamer than the likes of revo with their old v1 map, but then again, revo always was the most aggressive mapper of the lot and ive yet to come across another map that could match or surpass revo on the 2.0TFSI, and ive experienced a hell of alot of maps over the years now on this engine.
So off I went, got the engine up to temp and oil up to temp and started to play.
Now im sat here trying to think how to best sum up its performance, so I think I will just quote what I wrote on facebook about it at the time to my friends.
"This Golf R is fookin rapid" "its bloody quick" and "I don't remember by mk2 Leon Cupra being this quick!"
And this is me saying that after having jumped in the golf straight after having been in my 420bhp TTRS!
The response of the engine and the pickup from low down is just crazy, it pulls hard non stop throughout the rev range all the way to 7k rpm with there being no signs of the power dropping off. The map is just so smooth whilst being explosive, I cant really describe it, its something you have to try. Whatever APR did to this map you have to take your hat off to them, and perhaps Revo should now be slightly worried as they have a worthy competitior. Its as if someones shoe horned a 3.0 litre turbo in this car, as its factory smooth pulling through the rev range whilst being blistering quick.
And the best thing of all about this new and improved APR map? There is no flat spot like there is on revo stage 2 plus cars, or my mates jabba mapped stage 2 plus car.
Anyhow, after a few days of still being impressed with the car, I decided to ring up some friends and have a 2.0TFSI K04 meet.
In attendance was:
MRC Stage 2 plus Golf R
JABBA Stage 2 plus mk2 cupra (completely stripped out, just race seats and dash for interior, fronty door cards)
A hybrid vxr and a hybrid mk2 focus RS also came along for some testing.
What we found was that the APR cars response would allow it to jump on all the other cars straight away, and either maintain that gap or increase it.I fully expected the jabba car to reel me back in but that never happened. Now ive had some plays against that car in my revo cupra k1 before and we found that the revo car was always slighty faster, but back then the jabba car also had a full interior. Sadly I couldnt get a revo stage 2 plus car out on the day but I think we can roughly guess the outcome based on previous experiences.
So this might be bad news in a way, as I suppose now when trying to decide which map you want for your car there is no longer a simple or obvious choice. Revo or APR imo.
If I was to modify a 2.0TFSI all over again? Id go APR this time round, no flatspots and no occasional flashing engine lights on the dash, just making loads of power everywhere.
I hope this helps people who have been wondering about APRs new map like TFSI Mike, and those who wanted a more expanded and indepth review, after reading positive things about APRs map by other members on this forum who have also had the pleasure of driving this car.
Any questions fire away.
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Hmmm interesting. Cheers for posting this Pov.
I'm not too familiar with the Golf R, but is the engine identical to that of the Cupra and Ed30?
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Poverty...have you driven a REVO stage 2+ Golf R?
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Poverty...have you driven a REVO stage 2+ Golf R?
No not a Golf R, just Cupra and S3.
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Hmmm interesting. Cheers for posting this Pov.
I'm not too familiar with the Golf R, but is the engine identical to that of the Cupra and Ed30?
Yeah same engine
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Thanks for your thoughts Pov
I had an update (v2 or 2.2 I can't remember but yin posted on here when it became available). I'm very keen to find out of it is the same or has been further developed / improved :party:
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Thanks for your thoughts Pov
I had an update (v2 or 2.2 I can't remember but yin posted on here when it became available). I'm very keen to find out of it is the same or has been further developed / improved :party:
I might have to change the name of the thread to V3 then lol. I will find out for you on tuesday mate when I return the car and see keith.
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Here is is
Seat Leon EURO MY2007 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 1P0907115C S0020 Stages 1/2 V2.2
Seat Leon EURO MY2007 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 1P0907115C S0020 Stages 1/2 V2.2 APR Pump
Seat Leon EURO MY2007 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 1P0907115C S0020 Stages 1/2 V2.2 Testpipes
Seat Leon EURO MY2007 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 1P0907115C S0020 Stage 2+ V2.2 Testpipes APR Pump Performance
How i interpret this is the S0020 is the version number i have the old version so it looks as if we all get the free update. The 1p0907115c is the ecu number for the 240 tfsi cupra
I'd actually like to find out which version awesome flashed on as I didn't have "test pipes"
Which was the CEL fix for decat
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The thing is Mike do you even know how yours is running currently, itmight be making v.good figures and have that same software version. Have you had a go against a revo S2+ car in your current spec?
BUT one thing we would need to consider, this is the APR UK demo car. Do you really think its running thenormal APR map or is it a tweaked version to make good publicity
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The thing is Mike do you even know how yours is running currently, itmight be making v.good figures and have that same software version. Have you had a go against a revo S2+ car in your current spec?
BUT one thing we would need to consider, this is the APR UK demo car. Do you really think its running thenormal APR map or is it a tweaked version to make good publicity
Your Ko3 octy wasn't too far behind mine :confused:
Last RR was 330bhp (curve posted in dyno thread) on a dyno people say is very generous :laugh:
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Your Ko3 octy wasn't too far behind mine :confused:
Last RR was 330bhp (curve posted in dyno thread) on a dyno people say is very generous :laugh:
and inconsistent. Sometimes AMDs rollers make similar figures to the DD as well. 330hp would match JKMs highest ko4 result. You need another reference I think
You never know I guess until you try, might be worth a £60 before spending more, plus you'll see gains/losses if you change
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The thing is Mike do you even know how yours is running currently, itmight be making v.good figures and have that same software version. Have you had a go against a revo S2+ car in your current spec?
BUT one thing we would need to consider, this is the APR UK demo car. Do you really think its running thenormal APR map or is it a tweaked version to make good publicity
Valid point, but surely the public released map is as good as you can get it? Dont know how they could make the car even quicker whilst still being so smooth?
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Does it have a linear throttle map and if not can they do it?
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Ohh yeah.. wheres that stage 1 ED30 that made about 315bhp on AMDs? :signLOL:
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Does it have a linear throttle map and if not can they do it?
Apparently its an easy change. Jabba are doing it for mine, or at least said they would
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I had the v2.2 update file on my car when I had APR and it is totally contrary to your experience!
Edition 30 : REVO stage 1 review (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21469.0.html)
that review includes a link to my APR review too....
If the new APR software is indeed this good then well done :happy2:
but for me Revo was night and day different......
maybe the engines are different in some way?!
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Just checked the date of your review it's back from 2010, I didn't know APR had a v2 out already so I will need to call this thread v3.0!
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Nice one Pov.
So does your TTRS feel alot stronger than the Golf R?
Maybe the dsg has made it feel quicker than manual 2+??
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I hope APR has used the revised map they gave me just before i changed to REVO. As the lambdavalues of 0,75 didn't give enough fuel above 5200rpm to maintain boost.
But APR was nice to have, easy to change, i still hope they will start on having customerservice, as in my experience it's non existing. They have some employees with the right intentions, but when management is getting involved nothing happens. :fighting:
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I hope APR has used the revised map they gave me just before i changed to REVO. As the lambdavalues of 0,75 didn't give enough fuel above 5200rpm to maintain boost.
But APR was nice to have, easy to change, i still hope they will start on having customerservice, as in my experience it's non existing. They have some employees with the right intentions, but when management is getting involved nothing happens. :fighting:
I have asked for support via the form on the website multiple times with no reply :sad1:
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Nice one Pov.
So does your TTRS feel alot stronger than the Golf R?
Maybe the dsg has made it feel quicker than manual 2+??
The TT is deffo quicker for sure, but the Golf really took me by surprise.
It's possible but then I've also driven a dsg S3 stage 2 us which seemed more calm. Usually I've found that 4wd cars usually feel slower than fwd ones when it comes to the 2.0tfsi and even the TTRS when it was stock.
Someone's done a 12.7 1/4 mile in a APR stage 2 plus Leon Cupra, which proves that the APR map is now up there with the best. Al and Owen have both done 12.9's with GIAC and Revo cupras.
I reckon this Golf R would probably do the sprint in a low 12 for sure.
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Nice one Pov.
So does your TTRS feel alot stronger than the Golf R?
Maybe the dsg has made it feel quicker than manual 2+??
The TT is deffo quicker for sure, but the Golf really took me by surprise.
It's possible but then I've also driven a dsg S3 stage 2 us which seemed more calm. Usually I've found that 4wd cars usually feel slower than fwd ones when it comes to the 2.0tfsi and even the TTRS when it was stock.
Someone's done a 12.7 1/4 mile in a APR stage 2 plus Leon Cupra, which proves that the APR map is now up there with the best. Al and Owen have both done 12.9's with GIAC and Revo cupras.
I reckon this Golf R would probably do the sprint in a low 12 for sure.
Where was this Pov, Pod?
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Nice one Pov.
So does your TTRS feel alot stronger than the Golf R?
Maybe the dsg has made it feel quicker than manual 2+??
The TT is deffo quicker for sure, but the Golf really took me by surprise.
It's possible but then I've also driven a dsg S3 stage 2 us which seemed more calm. Usually I've found that 4wd cars usually feel slower than fwd ones when it comes to the 2.0tfsi and even the TTRS when it was stock.
Someone's done a 12.7 1/4 mile in a APR stage 2 plus Leon Cupra, which proves that the APR map is now up there with the best. Al and Owen have both done 12.9's with GIAC and Revo cupras.
I reckon this Golf R would probably do the sprint in a low 12 for sure.
Where was this Pov, Pod?
Not sure mate will have to find out but it was recently.
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What i find hard is to get the marketing info clear of the facts. If they got their act together fine, but hopefully we don't end up with another scenario where their dealers abandes them, and leave the folks with APR SW out in the cold :confused:
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Does it have a linear throttle map and if not can they do it?
Apparently its an easy change. Jabba are doing it for mine, or at least said they would
what is linear throttling??
lee
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For every 1% of accelerator movement you will get 1% throttle open on the engine so it acts more like a throttle cable instead of electronic.
As standard its not a 1:1 after 3/4 throttle
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For every 1% of accelerator movement you will get 1% throttle open on the engine so it acts more like a throttle cable instead of electronic.
As standard its not a 1:1 after 3/4 throttle
Standard never 1:1 really except at 0% throttle and 100% :signLOL:
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Did they quote power figures for this Jace?
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No they didnt, Ive heard rumours though and its high
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No they didnt, Ive heard rumours though and its high
Any more info today Jase? :drinking:
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so about 380hp @ the flywheel
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Move to a more relevant section as this isn't really a review.
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so about 380hp @ the flywheel
Yeah
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This code Stage 2+ (V3.1) is now on the UK APR servers ready for us dealers to burn :)
The V2 was a free update for existing apr customers but where do I stand if my apr dealer has stopped doing apr?? :sad1:
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Yes all free updates, APR offer stage 1 to stage 2 free too, so of course free to you...
Come see us, aslong as you have APR, we will flash it for free to latest version
Appreciate that :-) :drinking:
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Yes all free updates, APR offer stage 1 to stage 2 free too, so of course free to you...
Come see us, aslong as you have APR, we will flash it for free to latest version
Great service this :congrats:
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Well done, gutted iveonly just found out about the new APR UK agents. Could have done with you a week ago and imight have had APR software on my 1.4TSI by now. Had been chatting with APRAustralia andwas keento try thenew revised map but the guys running APR UK weren't interested at all in my custom,newnothing about any revised maps or about this engine.
Too latenow,my caris in with Jabbasport
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Going to try and get upto PSi tuning tomorrow :party:
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Guy harding in APR Aus put me onto the guys at Tuningwerkes who were apparently the APR UK guys to deal with. They werent interested in the business at all IMO. They idea of answering technical queries wasa to copy and paste the goapr website literature into an email.
Id already sorted out thisnew remap and booked it in before i found APR were making a big come back in the UK
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Wonder how it plays out this time, with all their new maps and instigators in place :popcornsoda:
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Hello everyone!
Just wanted to pop in quickly as this thread seems to be interesting to quite a few.
We are in the process of our Grand Opening in our Milton Keynes facility but we are currently providing customer service and advice, etc. to anyone who may wish to inquire.
You can find our contact details as well as those for our rapidly growing UK dealer network at www.goapr.co.uk (http://www.goapr.co.uk) Please note the website is still in development and this is only a landing page for general information.
Look forward to meeting you all at the shows this year and if you would like to come by APR's European/UK office for a chat or a look around, we'd love to have you!
Cheers!
Keith
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
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Looking forward to your review mike. Proper result for you!
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
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I remember that.
I just like going fast though :driver:
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Dont we all :grin:
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Fast = :smiley:
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What is this video?
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What is this video?
Apr car acceleration vid that Revo users questioned
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Looking forward to your review mike. Proper result for you!
x2
will be interesting to hear a non biased review :popcornsoda:
I nearly switched to APR after JannerSys' subliminal messaging the other week, but there werent any local dealers.
Just bought my second APR fuel pump though, looks like I'm back on that slippery slope again :sad1:
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Woah, why am I biased???
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Woah, why am I biased???
The only car that we have heard about is the APR golf R Demo car.
Will be interesting to hear what the software is like in a normal car :wink:
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Doesn't Mike have a K03 to K04 converted car? If so I wonder if there really is a software update for his car as I suspect the coding for his car would be slightly different to an ed 30 or R.
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Cupras are a K04 as standard :stupid:
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Cupras are a K04 as standard :stupid:
What Dom said ^^^ Cupra is K04
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Woah, why am I biased???
Ah cone on pov
Your switching to APR and all of a sudden APR are awesome threads pop up. There was a time when it was revo were awesome....
It does seem a bit of a biased review to a cetain degree, its certainly not unbiased
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If you've spent your hard-earned on something then you are bound to have a bias. :confused:
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Don't let pov know it won't be a fast as a meg now he has apr :signLOL: the hand bags will be out :signLOL:
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If you've spent your hard-earned on something then you are bound to have a bias. :confused:
I can see where you are coming from but I don't own a 2.0Tfsi anymore, just giving my experience. Gain nothing from being biased anyhow.
Can't wait for mike to get the update and read his rave review!
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Woah, why am I biased???
Ah cone on pov
Your switching to APR and all of a sudden APR are awesome threads pop up. There was a time when it was revo were awesome....
It does seem a bit of a biased review to a cetain degree, its certainly not unbiased
Shark/Jabba
Kettle/Black...
:signLOL:
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Woah, why am I biased???
Ah cone on pov
Your switching to APR and all of a sudden APR are awesome threads pop up. There was a time when it was revo were awesome....
It does seem a bit of a biased review to a cetain degree, its certainly not unbiased
Shark/Jabba
Kettle/Black...
:signLOL:
:wink: :fighting2:
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Anyone with a Ko4 2.0TFSI is more than welcome to come by and give our Golf R a go (once I get it back from being a loaner, just give us a call or email to insure availability). Nothing special about the calibration as far as it being on our marketing car, its the same calibration available on our DPP server worldwide.
Cheers!
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From experience, it used to be APR is awesome, then APR were dropped by Awesome GTI and they pulled out of UK market, all of a sudden APR was hated and overnight 70% of folks became Revo fanboys, now APR are making a comeback it seems logical for those that had it before to go back especcially if APR gives more power (Nopt sure of they do or not), I know when me and my bro both had our 1.8T's re-mapped mine by jabba (and i suppose that means i am a fanboy of theirs as never any issues and cheap compared to revo or APR :evilgrin:) and my brother by APR, mine gave more power (about 7bhp more) and my brothers gave more torque (about 12Llb/ft), my brother did not take up Awesomes offer of swapping over to Revo as he was happy with APR map.
I prefer not to follow masses and will not go eother Revo or APR and will stick with Jabba as I like their set up and prev results, and exhaust I will be looking at either the BCS Turbo back Epic system or possibly the APR RSC system (NO Milltek for me) :P
Looking forward to May when i get to Jabba for stage 1, just got to pay for cambelt service before then (I feel happier knowing the cambelt is done before I put another 70bhp through it :happy2:), then saving up for stage 2 :scared:
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Hi Keith,
Whats different with 3.0 that makes it so much better, and how come it was not done like this in the first place, years ago?
Thanks.
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From experience, it used to be APR is awesome, then APR were dropped by Awesome GTI and they pulled out of UK market, all of a sudden APR was hated and overnight 70% of folks became Revo fanboys,
That's just complete tosh. :happy2:
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From experience, it used to be APR is awesome, then APR were dropped by Awesome GTI and they pulled out of UK market, all of a sudden APR was hated and overnight 70% of folks became Revo fanboys,
That's just complete tosh. :happy2:
Nope just my opinion based on what i see on forums, 5 years back it was all APR then they pulled out and it was all Revo from that point on. Look on MK4 forums from 5-6 years back and its all APR, now on this forum its all Revo :P
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Revo were quite new back then thats why.
APR never pulle out of the market. It was still avalaible from several dealers.
Its just that Revo has had good figures with 2.0T and the word of mouth effect.
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:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
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Hi Keith,
Whats different with 3.0 that makes it so much better, and how come it was not done like this in the first place, years ago?
Thanks.
Its a different calibration philosophy for a different market.
We've listened to what the majority of enthusiasts in the UK seem to want and v3.1 provides that.
When its officially released, we will offer the ability to switch between our previous version and v3.1.
There is a very long technical explanation but its kind of a trade secret and definitely too much to type.
For example, we offer two software versions for 2.0 TSI engines as well. One that works perfectly with the OEM clutch and won't deteriorate the life of it and one that makes as much torque and power as what other tuners offer in the UK market, its called LP3. Once LP3 is officially released as well, you'll be able to switch between the clutch safe version and LP3.
Options are what we've been told the UK market wants and I'm here to accommodate that. :drinking:
Still have your Stage III?
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@ Keith:
Have you changed the map so it keeps the Lambda values above 0,80, so the cars won't run out of fuel at app. 5200rpm even with your own upgraded HPFP and the ECU starts reducing boost until it's within 20% of requested value?
I had that proble and you made me a testfile with that specification :smiley:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843)
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@ Keith:
Have you changed the map so it keeps the Lambda values above 0,80, so the cars won't run out of fuel at app. 5200rpm even with your own upgraded HPFP and the ECU starts reducing boost until it's within 20% of requested value?
I had that proble and you made me a testfile with that specification :smiley:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843)
Sorta, on the Golf R specifically its different. For older Audi S3's its different again. The results are the same but the way to go about it is a little bit different.
On face value all ko4 cars are the same hardware and ecu's but looking into it deeper we've discovered that the software is not the same at all.
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Still have your Stage III?
Thanks Keith,
Yes still do, and I underastand there are changes afoot for tha toot, but thats another story...
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Still have your Stage III?
Thanks Keith,
Yes still do, and I underastand there are changes afoot for tha toot, but thats another story...
I would like to have your car at our facility for a few days if possible.
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@ Keith:
Have you changed the map so it keeps the Lambda values above 0,80, so the cars won't run out of fuel at app. 5200rpm even with your own upgraded HPFP and the ECU starts reducing boost until it's within 20% of requested value?
I had that proble and you made me a testfile with that specification :smiley:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843)
Sorta, on the Golf R specifically its different. For older Audi S3's its different again. The results are the same but the way to go about it is a little bit different.
On face value all ko4 cars are the same hardware and ecu's but looking into it deeper we've discovered that the software is not the same at all.
So a gti with AXX engine code and K04, S3 injectors and your HPFP will still have trouble above 5200rpm getting enough fuel?
Or do i read this wrong? :drinking:
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@ Keith:
Have you changed the map so it keeps the Lambda values above 0,80, so the cars won't run out of fuel at app. 5200rpm even with your own upgraded HPFP and the ECU starts reducing boost until it's within 20% of requested value?
I had that proble and you made me a testfile with that specification :smiley:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843)
Sorta, on the Golf R specifically its different. For older Audi S3's its different again. The results are the same but the way to go about it is a little bit different.
On face value all ko4 cars are the same hardware and ecu's but looking into it deeper we've discovered that the software is not the same at all.
So a gti with AXX engine code and K04, S3 injectors and your HPFP will still have trouble above 5200rpm getting enough fuel?
Or do i read this wrong? :drinking:
Its relative to your perspective. More load (power) requires more fuel than is available at a certain injector on time at a certain lambda that we typically like to calibrate to. You can either request less load or a different lambda or tell the ecu to not care about the on time necessary to maintain the lambda we want. Each of those opportunities however has its disadvantages in other areas. In your specific case, you relayed you were cool with a leaner lambda so that's what we did. Regarding the Golf R and Audi S3 there are some other methods that allow us to keep lambda where we like and injector on time within its parameters so they are different from your calibration and those options I first mentioned yet again.
It can be confusing and I know most people like to lump them all together but we've found that spending a lot of extra calibration time in several different markets around the world with each specific ECU and engine reiteration provides more opportunity than previously available.
There's also engineering and then marketing so I would prefer not to get into how "other companies" do it as I feel that is somebody's next question. :wink:
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Revo was the most popular on the 2.0tfsi simply because they made the most power and where the quickest on that engine. Alot of people don't seem to rate the Revo map on the 1.8t or the older Audi s and rs cars. MRC seems to be most popular for those older turbo engines.
Revo then started loosing a bit of popularity through the flat spot and misfire issues, with their tech support saying that it must be an issue with the customers car ( a hell of alot of broken customers cars that was). Fast forward a 12-18 months later and they start advising customers to fit the rs4 valve to cure it. ( which it doesn't completely, but some other mappers have the same issue)
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@ Keith:
Have you changed the map so it keeps the Lambda values above 0,80, so the cars won't run out of fuel at app. 5200rpm even with your own upgraded HPFP and the ECU starts reducing boost until it's within 20% of requested value?
I had that proble and you made me a testfile with that specification :smiley:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg301843.html#msg301843)
Sorta, on the Golf R specifically its different. For older Audi S3's its different again. The results are the same but the way to go about it is a little bit different.
On face value all ko4 cars are the same hardware and ecu's but looking into it deeper we've discovered that the software is not the same at all.
So a gti with AXX engine code and K04, S3 injectors and your HPFP will still have trouble above 5200rpm getting enough fuel?
Or do i read this wrong? :drinking:
Its relative to your perspective. More load (power) requires more fuel than is available at a certain injector on time at a certain lambda that we typically like to calibrate to. You can either request less load or a different lambda or tell the ecu to not care about the on time necessary to maintain the lambda we want. Each of those opportunities however has its disadvantages in other areas. In your specific case, you relayed you were cool with a leaner lambda so that's what we did. Regarding the Golf R and Audi S3 there are some other methods that allow us to keep lambda where we like and injector on time within its parameters so they are different from your calibration and those options I first mentioned yet again.
It can be confusing and I know most people like to lump them all together but we've found that spending a lot of extra calibration time in several different markets around the world with each specific ECU and engine reiteration provides more opportunity than previously available.
There's also engineering and then marketing so I would prefer not to get into how "other companies" do it as I feel that is somebody's next question. :wink:
Thank you Keith for your time :drinking:
I would say on the basis of my own experience that the APR sw for K04 built AXX/BWA engines is an excellent package for those that "just" want to go stage 1, meaning HPFP/intake(APR approved)/Downpipe(TBE) and want the convinience of having the CC to change programs.
IF they have removed the dip i experienced from 5200rpm as Keith says :happy2:
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Looks like dangb gets to play with the golf R soon!
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Thank you!
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Looks like dangb gets to play with the golf R soon!
Should be good times.
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
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Haven't logged or dyno'd yet but certainly feels more eager and like more power is on tap.
Will take a bit of getting used to otherwise tyres might not last long. A linear throttle pedal would be very useful.
Squeezing it on in third gettin back on the motorway leaving was bloody rapid and then spun up in 4th.
I am happy I now have an extra slot for a different map setting.
Looking forward to getting out and having a propper drive and doing a bit of logging to check everything is in check
I didn't expect to feel much difference with the update but it's quite clearly more aggressive. :driver:
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A linear throttle pedal would be very useful.
:happy2:
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A linear throttle pedal would be very useful.
:happy2:
So, should I have this as an option?
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Oh yes Keith. :smiley:
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A linear throttle pedal would be very useful.
:happy2:
So, should I have this as an option?
I've only driven 100 miles so far but I think in any application it would be good to give more control.
The new map certainly comes on strong :driver:
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A linear throttle pedal would be very useful.
:happy2:
So, should I have this as an option?
Why not? In my honest opinion every tuner should make the throttle map as linear as possible as a standard part of their mapping. The standard throttle map is too aggressive once the engine is mapped. (IMO)
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Mine has the linear map now and its a big improvement.
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A linear throttle pedal would be very useful.
:happy2:
So, should I have this as an option?
Why not? In my honest opinion every tuner should make the throttle map as linear as possible as a standard part of their mapping. The standard throttle map is too aggressive once the engine is mapped. (IMO)
:wink:
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Woah, why am I biased???
Ah cone on pov
Your switching to APR and all of a sudden APR are awesome threads pop up. There was a time when it was revo were awesome....
It does seem a bit of a biased review to a cetain degree, its certainly not unbiased
Shark/Jabba
Kettle/Black...
:signLOL:
YOu wont get me recommending Shark anymore. But i see your point. If REVO were offering a stage 3 hybrid option in the future id have it on my car now, but they werent interested. APR (tuningwerkes) didnt seem interesdted in the custom at all, so I left APR. Jabba seemed to want to work with me so here i am.
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Thanks all. I'll see what I can do.
I like the OEM strategy personally but we are here for you all.
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Woah, why am I biased???
Ah cone on pov
Your switching to APR and all of a sudden APR are awesome threads pop up. There was a time when it was revo were awesome....
It does seem a bit of a biased review to a cetain degree, its certainly not unbiased
Shark/Jabba
Kettle/Black...
:signLOL:
YOu wont get me recommending Shark anymore. But i see your point. If REVO were offering a stage 3 hybrid option in the future id have it on my car now, but they werent interested. APR (tuningwerkes) didnt seem interesdted in the custom at all, so I left APR. Jabba seemed to want to work with me so here i am.
Woah, woah...you have a hybrid on your 1.4?
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Thanks all. I'll see what I can do.
I like the OEM strategy personally but we are here for you all.
:happy2:
I think the problem is a non-linear throttle flatters too much but you feel disappointed when you still have half as much throttle pedal left to go. :smiley:
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A linear throttle pedal would be very useful.
:happy2:
So, should I have this as an option?
Why not? In my honest opinion every tuner should make the throttle map as linear as possible as a standard part of their mapping. The standard throttle map is too aggressive once the engine is mapped. (IMO)
:wink:
Oh hi nik!! ;-)
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Woah, woah...you have a hybrid on your 1.4?
I will be very soon.
Worried ill beat APR Australias attempt to the market with their Polo GTI :P :P Big fan of that car though :congrats: GUy harding was of more help with 1.4TSI APR questions than the UK APR guys i spoke to
Its not for definite yet, im happy to stick as it is for a bit. I might throw the cash at the chassis instead. It bloody needs it more than it does extra power
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Thanks all. I'll see what I can do.
I like the OEM strategy personally but we are here for you all.
:happy2:
I think the problem is a non-linear throttle flatters too much but you feel disappointed when you still have half as much throttle pedal left to go. :smiley:
Absolutely Mr Hedge. Revo with the standard throttle map is like an on off switch for the turbo charger.
With linear throttle you can feed in the power more easily. Espcially useful when launching out of the toll booths on the M6 :-)
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At Mallory with mine in high revs 3rd around gerrards i was having a nightmare with the throttle coming on and off like a switch. Impossible to modulate it
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Woah, woah...you have a hybrid on your 1.4?
I will be very soon.
Worried ill beat APR Australias attempt to the market with their Polo GTI :P :P Big fan of that car though :congrats: GUy harding was of more help with 1.4TSI APR questions than the UK APR guys i spoke to
Its not for definite yet, im happy to stick as it is for a bit. I might throw the cash at the chassis instead. It bloody needs it more than it does extra power
We will calibrate it for you as soon as you deliver the car to MK with turbo in hand, install and map FOC with a Golf R as a loaner.
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Thanks all. I'll see what I can do.
I like the OEM strategy personally but we are here for you all.
:happy2:
I think the problem is a non-linear throttle flatters too much but you feel disappointed when you still have half as much throttle pedal left to go. :smiley:
Yeah, I feel you. Makes sense to me.
Btw, is there a direct relationship between the Vulcan and the Eurofighter?
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to spend than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
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Btw, is there a direct relationship between the Vulcan and the Eurofighter?
they have wings and were flown by the RAF. Ends there i think...
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Woah, woah...you have a hybrid on your 1.4?
I will be very soon.
Worried ill beat APR Australias attempt to the market with their Polo GTI :P :P Big fan of that car though :congrats: GUy harding was of more help with 1.4TSI APR questions than the UK APR guys i spoke to
Its not for definite yet, im happy to stick as it is for a bit. I might throw the cash at the chassis instead. It bloody needs it more than it does extra power
We will calibrate it for you as soon as you deliver the car to MK with turbo in hand, install and map FOC with a Golf R as a loaner.
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT :innocent: :innocent:
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Btw, is there a direct relationship between the Vulcan and the Eurofighter?
they have wings and were flown by the RAF. Ends there i think...
Philistine.
Vulcan and Eurofighter can trace their roots back through BAE Systems to Avro who made the Vulcan.
Vulcan is awesome to see ( as is the Eurofighter). Make sure you see them whilst here Keith. :happy2:
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Another vote for linear maps here, would make track duty alot easier imo. Its something alot of people wanted over on vagoc but no luck!
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Personally I would have thought a linear map would be mandatory for the race cars. :smiley:
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Another vote for linear maps here, would make track duty alot easier imo. Its something alot of people wanted over on vagoc but no luck!
I would come back to APR for a linear throttle map :happy2:
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Btw, is there a direct relationship between the Vulcan and the Eurofighter?
they have wings and were flown by the RAF. Ends there i think...
Philistine.
Vulcan and Eurofighter can trace their roots back through BAE Systems to Avro who made the Vulcan.
Vulcan is awesome to see ( as is the Eurofighter). Make sure you see them whilst here Keith. :happy2:
Whats louder Ian. ive heard the Eurofighter and they make tornados seem quiet :scared:
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Another vote for linear maps here, would make track duty alot easier imo. Its something alot of people wanted over on vagoc but no luck!
I would come back to APR for a linear throttle map :happy2:
Why? Revo do them too. So do R-tech.
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only on the 2.0TFSi though isnt it??
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
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Another vote for linear maps here, would make track duty alot easier imo. Its something alot of people wanted over on vagoc but no luck!
I would come back to APR for a linear throttle map :happy2:
Why? Revo do them too. So do R-tech.
They havent been too quick to tell me over the last year or so. I will have to ask :happy2:
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Btw, is there a direct relationship between the Vulcan and the Eurofighter?
they have wings and were flown by the RAF. Ends there i think...
Lmao!
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only on the 2.0TFSi though isnt it??
Possibly. Not 100%
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
I thought that would of been obvious years ago since your 'bread and butter' was not going to live on the race track. Good to see your listening. Or you have new programers who are better than the last :smiley:
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Btw, is there a direct relationship between the Vulcan and the Eurofighter?
they have wings and were flown by the RAF. Ends there i think...
Philistine.
Vulcan and Eurofighter can trace their roots back through BAE Systems to Avro who made the Vulcan.
Vulcan is awesome to see ( as is the Eurofighter). Make sure you see them whilst here Keith. :happy2:
For sure! I love the technology in the Eurofighter, too bad us 'mericans didn't make it as there would be thousands of them on our bases, seems to best our jets hands down from what I've seen.
Was wondering if the Vulcan suffered the same unfortunate fate, it's not been publicized in the states as much as the EF so I'm ignorant about it.
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only on the 2.0TFSi though isnt it??
Correct, they dont have linear throttle maps for the rest of the range.
R-tech build in launch control and flat shifitng in their 1.8T maps apparently at request also, wouldnt mind seeing those in action one day!
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
I thought that would of been obvious years ago since your 'bread and butter' was not going to live on the race track. Good to see your listening. Or you have new programers who are better than the last :smiley:
Meh, we are racers first and foremost, not profiteers, been that way since day one.
Same calibrators, better at listening to you guys is all. :drinking:
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
I thought that would of been obvious years ago since your 'bread and butter' was not going to live on the race track. Good to see your listening. Or you have new programers who are better than the last :smiley:
Meh, we are racers first and foremost, not profiteers, been that way since day one.
Same calibrators, better at listening to you guys is all. :drinking:
Proof is in the pudding, you should remap my car to your new file FOC :grin:
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Keith would it be sensible to have the v2.2 in place of valet mode for a 'safer' daily setup offering longevity and the v3.1 for fun and track days? Or have I miss understood?
Also is stock mode the latest version of the OEM map or an Apr version of stock
Thanks :drinking:
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Whats louder Ian. ive heard the Eurofighter and they make tornados seem quiet :scared:
Eurofighter and Tornado are both louder however the Vulcan makes such a sweet howl there can be no comparison.
Excuse shameless video whoring. :wink:
Vulcan. :love:
Tornado
Typhoon (Eurofighter)
Just in case you want some familiar ground.
:signLOL:
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For sure! I love the technology in the Eurofighter, too bad us 'mericans didn't make it as there would be thousands of them on our bases, seems to best our jets hands down from what I've seen.
Was wondering if the Vulcan suffered the same unfortunate fate, it's not been publicized in the states as much as the EF so I'm ignorant about it.
I think your latest fighters can show the Typhoon a clean pair of heels as it's quite an old design now Keith. :sad1:
The Vulcan still lives though. :happy2:
Got a spare £300,000 :ashamed:
http://www.vulcantothesky.org/
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
I thought that would of been obvious years ago since your 'bread and butter' was not going to live on the race track. Good to see your listening. Or you have new programers who are better than the last :smiley:
Meh, we are racers first and foremost, not profiteers, been that way since day one.
Same calibrators, better at listening to you guys is all. :drinking:
Proof is in the pudding, you should remap my car to your new file FOC :grin:
Who is your closest APR dealer? www.goapr.co.uk (http://www.goapr.co.uk)
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My nearest APR dealer is JBS.....
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbbsimg.ngfiles.com%2F1%2F21840000%2Fngbbs4c9fb98f59fbc.jpg&hash=66142ecfcddb7bea7a383b32bbcfe713d11bc385)
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I'm wondering whether to get my 30 day money back guarantee on my revo map now :laugh:
My APR HPFP pump just arrived today aswell. got it £230 cheaper than APR Uk aswell :stupid:
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Keith would it be sensible to have the v2.2 in place of valet mode for a 'safer' daily setup offering longevity and the v3.1 for fun and track days? Or have I miss understood?
Also is stock mode the latest version of the OEM map or an Apr version of stock
Thanks :drinking:
Vice versa.
V3.1 for daily driving, 1/4 mile, street races, v-box times, etc. v2.2 for sustained, long term WOT like on a road course or autobahn, circuit, endurance racing, etc.
However, I've beat my Golf R to death on the nurburgring and autobahn with no issues but to be safe, use v2.2 for that.
We are in the process of compiling v2.2 and v3.1 so you can switch between the two. Give me some time and it will be ready.
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I'm wondering whether to get my 30 day money back guarantee on my revo map now :laugh:
:signLOL:
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I'm wondering whether to get my 30 day money back guarantee on my revo map now :laugh:
please do it. I would honestly cry with laughter. You are THE ONLY person who can categorically compare all the TFSI maps.
For the greater good of this forum do it
Im going subliminal again.....
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
I thought that would of been obvious years ago since your 'bread and butter' was not going to live on the race track. Good to see your listening. Or you have new programers who are better than the last :smiley:
Meh, we are racers first and foremost, not profiteers, been that way since day one.
Same calibrators, better at listening to you guys is all. :drinking:
Proof is in the pudding, you should remap my car to your new file FOC :grin:
Who is your closest APR dealer? www.goapr.co.uk (http://www.goapr.co.uk)
I would go to PSItuning as JBS might try to sell me a Chinese turbo :grin:
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I'm wondering whether to get my 30 day money back guarantee on my revo map now :laugh:
please do it. I would honestly cry with laughter. You are THE ONLY person who can categorically compare all the TFSI maps.
For the greater good of this forum do it
Im going subliminal again.....
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft3.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcS3koX_f1RBtGisNUVUMq6KP7fKdMJe9BCUpKEPVxQzMZCZ8T7I&hash=f0aa123f6bf5e541e18bdd7e8becb77749066c6a)
Behave with those pictures, they nearly worked the last time :signLOL:
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ill try
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please do it. I would honestly cry with laughter. You are THE ONLY person who can categorically compare all the TFSI maps.
Wouldn't you need to fook the cam timing up to compare them accurately. :wink:
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Whats louder Ian. ive heard the Eurofighter and they make tornados seem quiet :scared:
:signLOL:
I'm sold. See you at the next air show! IMPRESSIVE
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please do it. I would honestly cry with laughter. You are THE ONLY person who can categorically compare all the TFSI maps.
Wouldn't you need to fook the cam timing up to compare them accurately. :wink:
I'll have to put an old map on to kill the engine again if thast the case :laugh: ONLY JOKING!
My car is running perfectly now I'll have you know :fighting:
175 miles to PSI and 130 miles to JKM :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
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please do it. I would honestly cry with laughter. You are THE ONLY person who can categorically compare all the TFSI maps.
Wouldn't you need to fook the cam timing up to compare them accurately. :wink:
I'll have to put an old map on to kill the engine again if thast the case :laugh: ONLY JOKING!
My car is running perfectly now I'll have you know :fighting:
Lol.
Ive changed my sig in dedication to the cause
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Keith would it be sensible to have the v2.2 in place of valet mode for a 'safer' daily setup offering longevity and the v3.1 for fun and track days? Or have I miss understood?
Also is stock mode the latest version of the OEM map or an Apr version of stock
Thanks :drinking:
Vice versa.
V3.1 for daily driving, 1/4 mile, street races, v-box times, etc. v2.2 for sustained, long term WOT like on a road course or autobahn, circuit, endurance racing, etc.
However, I've beat my Golf R to death on the nurburgring and autobahn with no issues but to be safe, use v2.2 for that.
We are in the process of compiling v2.2 and v3.1 so you can switch between the two. Give me some time and it will be ready.
Thanks again. I'll keep my eyes peeled. In the mean time I'll go and have fun with 3.1 :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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I'll have to put an old map on to kill the engine again if thast the case :laugh: ONLY JOKING!
My car is running perfectly now I'll have you know :fighting:
175 miles to PSI and 130 miles to JKM :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
I am so pleased for you. :happy2:
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I dont think I'd have the nerve to get another refund, it was exactly a year ago I got money back off the revo stage 2+ that didnt work :ashamed:
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Also is stock mode the latest version of the OEM map or an Apr version of stock
Thanks :drinking:
Sorry, our stock mode is 100% the OEM version you had when you came to us or the OEM version for your ECU part number and software version if you were flashed in the aftermarket prior to.
We hold the patent on being able to completely rewrite the ecu internally with complete binaries for each map selected by you when you choose it with the cruise control.
We store the binaries in unused memory locations inside the ecu. This means when you change programs we rewrite the entire 2mb binary with a new binary than was previously selected as opposed to only portions of the binary as other tuners must do. The only difference between your APR stock mode and the OEM binary is that you have binaries and internal flashing architecture in memory sectors of the ecu that were present but unused in the OEM binary. This is completely undetectable to OEM dealerships as well.
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
I thought that would of been obvious years ago since your 'bread and butter' was not going to live on the race track. Good to see your listening. Or you have new programers who are better than the last :smiley:
Meh, we are racers first and foremost, not profiteers, been that way since day one.
Same calibrators, better at listening to you guys is all. :drinking:
Proof is in the pudding, you should remap my car to your new file FOC :grin:
Who is your closest APR dealer? www.goapr.co.uk (http://www.goapr.co.uk)
I would go to PSItuning as JBS might try to sell me a Chinese turbo :grin:
K, send psi or Jbs an email referencing this thread and when they contact me I'll give them a promo code that allows them to flash you FOC.
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My nearest APR dealer is JBS.....
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If you come see me in MK, I have a new 1.4 calibration I would like to try on your car, FOC, but I don't know the power figures yet, just that it was putting bus lengths on competitor cars during testing. :evilgrin:
After that, you may or may not still want that hybrid and if you choose yes, my offer still stands.
Good night to anyone still awake. :drinking:
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If you come see me in MK, I have a new 1.4 calibration I would like to try on your car, FOC, but I don't know the power figures yet, just that it was putting bus lengths on competitor cars during testing. :evilgrin:
After that, you may or may not still want that hybrid and if you choose yes, my offer still stands.
keith keith keith keith
your killing me here. APR was the hot contender for my original remap, i then looked at changing the map after shark performance did it, and again APR were the hot contenders, and YESTERDAY I had my second Remap installed by Jabbasport and its very good :grin:
But yours is adjustable on the cruise stalk arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Im turning into heavyD :grin:
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If you come see me in MK, I have a new 1.4 calibration I would like to try on your car, FOC, but I don't know the power figures yet, just that it was putting bus lengths on competitor cars during testing. :evilgrin:
After that, you may or may not still want that hybrid and if you choose yes, my offer still stands.
keith keith keith keith
your killing me here. APR was the hot contender for my original remap, i then looked at changing the map after shark performance did it, and again APR were the hot contenders, and YESTERDAY I had my second Remap installed by Jabbasport and its very good :grin:
But yours is adjustable on the cruise stalk arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Im turning into heavyD :grin:
:grin:
We all go into this modding lark with the idea of planning properly not to spend money twice.
I am a twat for it :ashamed:
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@ Keith
Seeing here you seem determined to do some good PR, would you possibly reconsider the RMA on my APR RSC with corrosion scars on the tips that your company first told me i would get a replacement part then told me to polish it away :stupid:
Cheers,
Jake
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Blimey! a lot of APR love, when there was such hate...........................Why?
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I know mate. If this had been a few days earlier i would have saved ALOT of money. In fact that money would have paid for the turbo to be hybridized :sad1:
BUT APR already have a kit in development with the hybrid/intake piping/software so they are ahead of everyone else there......
Blimey! a lot of APR love, when there was such hate...........................Why?
Even in my build threadf it said i wanted to go APR first, but shark made a better offer. Then when i changed APR again was the main choicei wanted but tuningwerkes were useless. I then had a custom remap by jabba and that night this offer comes up :fighting: Gutted
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If you come see me in MK, I have a new 1.4 calibration I would like to try on your car, FOC, but I don't know the power figures yet, just that it was putting bus lengths on competitor cars during testing. :evilgrin:
After that, you may or may not still want that hybrid and if you choose yes, my offer still stands.
keith keith keith keith
your killing me here. APR was the hot contender for my original remap, i then looked at changing the map after shark performance did it, and again APR were the hot contenders, and YESTERDAY I had my second Remap installed by Jabbasport and its very good :grin:
But yours is adjustable on the cruise stalk arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Im turning into heavyD :grin:
Digressing SY, but what made you ditch the Shark map?
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Blimey! a lot of APR love, when there was such hate...........................Why?
No hate from me. :innocent:
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The fact that it requested over 2.2 Bar of boost (3.2 Bar absolute pressure) the whole rev range when the maximum the turbo can achieve is 1.6Bar (2.6Bar absolute) which coincidentally was what my turbo was making whilst working flat out to achieve a boost pressure that is unattainable.
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Lol instigators rob? What are you trying to suggest lol?
Well we all remember the handbags that went on here a few years ago towards APR and the "video" and now these people are working with APR :signLOL:
Revo instigators now turned APR instigators although the reasons behind this im not aware of :popcornsoda:
I wonder what Jonnyc will say about that video now........ :grin: Still fake and he was right or its real and he was wrong
Ask him. He is a stand up guy. We've all put our trust in the wrong hands before to be let down in the long run at some point or another in our lives.
If anything, he should get mad respect for being an early adopter and having the gumption to keep searching for the best.
Just for the record I didnt think the video was fake, I just find the whole Revo, APR, GIAC and Superchips threads quite amusing. All the companys are just brand names, it really does depends how good their employes are at there job, IE Software programers, exhaust designers and so on. All companys have staff turn over and things can change. All it needs in any of the above companys is their main programers/designers to leave and their next map not to be up to scratch.
As you can see by my sig below, I run APR hardware and REVO software. The reason for REVO software is because my local dearler changed and I wanted the best support for my car. I was running APR software with no problems until this point. I also stated in a threat quite some time ago that I thought APR had the best K03 software and REVO the best K04 software, the reason behind this was that I thought APR was 'backing off' so to speak their K04 file to protect their Stage III package. Just my personal thought and I still believe this today. The new figure that have been quoted of 380bhp at the flywheel for the Golf R (Ko4) isnt that far behind the quoted figures for APR's stage III package (GT2871) which is a lot more money to buy than going the K04 route. Thats just business though. :happy2:
I can see that making sense, pretty smart reading between the lines...
But, being one of the main decision makers at APR, I can tell you our original ko4 calibration is what we felt was safe for say a 24 hours endurance race at 320-340bhp and our Stage 3 calibration is/was the same at 380-400bhp.
Our v3.1 for ko4 cars is 360-380bhp, I'll release the final numbers when our maha is in, due to a more aggressive calibration that I wouldn't recommend to someone who races 24 hours. We are doing the same for our Stage 3 as well so the difference in power output will improve on it accordingly to provide a similar difference in power between the two as before.
It wasn't about protecting sales, it's about protecting turbo's and exhaust valves but since 99% of you won't race 24 hours, we have decided to give the people what they want with an option to choose our standard maps if desired.
I thought that would of been obvious years ago since your 'bread and butter' was not going to live on the race track. Good to see your listening. Or you have new programers who are better than the last :smiley:
Meh, we are racers first and foremost, not profiteers, been that way since day one.
Same calibrators, better at listening to you guys is all. :drinking:
Proof is in the pudding, you should remap my car to your new file FOC :grin:
Who is your closest APR dealer? www.goapr.co.uk (http://www.goapr.co.uk)
I would go to PSItuning as JBS might try to sell me a Chinese turbo :grin:
K, send psi or Jbs an email referencing this thread and when they contact me I'll give them a promo code that allows them to flash you FOC.
So Keith yesterday you tell me you can do nothing for a ex Apr customer but today you can give free maps out to another :surprised:
Sounds like desperation!!
I would say our customer service philosophy is just a little different than most UK companies.
What about APR Customers who had there map taken off because they weren't happy with it, and couldn't get APR to respond to emails about there issues ?
I can only focus on the present and future. APR Motorsport, LTD is here to insure that NEVER happens again.
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Would they not even adjust it for you Sy?
Blimey! a lot of APR love, when there was such hate...........................Why?
No hate from me, it's the only big tuning company that hasn't been on my car yet :signLOL:
Nice result for you there then mike :happy2:
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The fact that it requested over 2.2 Bar of boost (3.2 Bar absolute pressure) the whole rev range when the maximum the turbo can achieve is 1.6Bar (2.6Bar absolute) which coincidentally was what my turbo was making whilst working flat out to achieve a boost pressure that is unattainable.
:stupid:
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Hmm APR......if they were open today I would have gone lol
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Hmm APR......if they were open today I would have gone lol
Haha 3 maps in 2 days, officially the new Dom
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Hmm APR......if they were open today I would have gone lol
Haha 3 maps in 2 days, officially the new Dom
Oi!!! leave me out of it :booty:
Just put my APR pump on, bring on Revo stage 2+ :signLOL:
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
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HeavyD......
No offence intended mate but you have serious issues!
After all that has happened with your car you're once again attempting to go S2+!!!
:signLOL:
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The fact that it requested over 2.2 Bar of boost (3.2 Bar absolute pressure) the whole rev range when the maximum the turbo can achieve is 1.6Bar (2.6Bar absolute) which coincidentally was what my turbo was making whilst working flat out to achieve a boost pressure that is unattainable.
I thought you would have known about this from the off considering how much you were promoting Shark and spending so much time at their place having your map customised.
How come you've only logged it now all of a sudden and found this out??
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I never expected them to run it like that. An element of trust you might say. Thats their area of expertese not mine. I wasn't at their place anyway I gave them my car whilst I was working away. They had it for a month,how long was actually spent on it who knows...
I've known about the boost for a while now hence why I began looking into revo and apr back alon. I had been asking for my logs from shatk for ages but not received them. Wanted the car logged due to heat and misfires etc and having a base set of logs to work from.
The car felt very good, I could pull easily on the revo stage 2 cars but heat was an issue. The logs showed why
Explained all inmy build thread
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Wud have been running super lean then = high EGTs lucky you didnt blow the engine up really!
But running lean gets u the power numbers u see hence chasing numbers isn't always a good thing.
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So Keith yesterday you tell me you can do nothing for a ex Apr customer but today you can give free maps out to another :surprised:
I think I misunderstood you, my apologies.
If you mean you want APR back on the same car you had it on before, but you flashed over it with a competitor than you still own the APR and all you have to do is schedule an appointment with an APR dealer to have the latest and greatest installed FOC. The dealer may charge labor but that's it!
I thought you meant what about the unanswered emails.
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So keith
1.4TSI......did you get my PM
Sy
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wow im quite intrested in goin 4 a spin in this R 2 c wot APR is like compared 2 my revo as currently lookin at goin from stage 2 to 2+ so this may be wot im after :evilgrin:
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wow im quite intrested in goin 4 a spin in this R 2 c wot APR is like compared 2 my revo as currently lookin at goin from stage 2 to 2+ so this may be wot im after :evilgrin:
Totally different car to yours so it wouldn't be a like for like comparison.
Jeeeees... This APR 'instant hype' is crazy!!
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wow im quite intrested in goin 4 a spin in this R 2 c wot APR is like compared 2 my revo as currently lookin at goin from stage 2 to 2+ so this may be wot im after :evilgrin:
Totally different car to yours so it wouldn't be a like for like comparison.
Jeeeees... This APR 'instant hype' is crazy!!
World domination*!!
*so long as no engines go bang :driver:
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Whos going to start up the 'mk5gti APR appreciation facebook page?'
I do like APR's attitude to ownership of the map, means that you can buy APR, go try all of the others and then back to APR for a reflash.
If prices were a little more appealing and profit margins were larger for dealers I think they could do well.
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Should do a ED35 demo with the same stuff as on the demo R.
Way more 2WD owners out there than 4WD then you can make a proper judgement for jumping ship or not.
Still wouldn't mind a go in the Golf R to see how it goes! :driver:
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So Keith yesterday you tell me you can do nothing for a ex Apr customer but today you can give free maps out to another :surprised:
I think I misunderstood you, my apologies.
If you mean you want APR back on the same car you had it on before, but you flashed over it with a competitor than you still own the APR and all you have to do is schedule an appointment with an APR dealer to have the latest and greatest installed FOC. The dealer may charge labor but that's it!
I thought you meant what about the unanswered emails.
Thanks Keith will be in touch waiting on the reviews of the latest update .Your Head Office would be my nearest :happy2:
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Whos going to start up the 'mk5gti APR appreciation facebook page?'
I do like APR's attitude to ownership of the map, means that you can buy APR, go try all of the others and then back to APR for a reflash.
Don't think there's much need as there's only tfsi mike do far :signLOL:
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Whos going to start up the 'mk5gti APR appreciation facebook page?'
I do like APR's attitude to ownership of the map, means that you can buy APR, go try all of the others and then back to APR for a reflash.
Don't think there's much need as there's only tfsi mike do far :signLOL:
My own group woo!
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wow im quite intrested in goin 4 a spin in this R 2 c wot APR is like compared 2 my revo as currently lookin at goin from stage 2 to 2+ so this may be wot im after :evilgrin:
Totally different car to yours so it wouldn't be a like for like comparison.
Jeeeees... This APR 'instant hype' is crazy!!
I know that rich jus a good excuse 2 take that Golf R for a good blast tho :evilgrin:
thing is its pointless 4me even in mikes car coz he has loads of completely different mods 2mine anyway :P
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@ Keith
Seeing here you seem determined to do some good PR, would you possibly reconsider the RMA on my APR RSC with corrosion scars on the tips that your company first told me i would get a replacement part then told me to polish it away :stupid:
Cheers,
Jake
Could you send me some pics? klucas@goapr.com
Its low carbon US stainless steel so its supposed to be impervious to rust and sometimes I've seen surface corrosion from carbon build up that removes with polishing that isn't technically rusting of the metal itself.
I'll take care of it either way for you. I'm pretty sure I can remove it for you with polish but since its difficult for you to get to me and vice versa, I will consider replacing the rear section for you after I see the pics.
Sorry for the hassle as I'm sure you've sent pics of it before but I don't have access to them from the UK.
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
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wow im quite intrested in goin 4 a spin in this R 2 c wot APR is like compared 2 my revo as currently lookin at goin from stage 2 to 2+ so this may be wot im after :evilgrin:
Schedule in an appointment for a test drive! www.goapr.co.uk (http://www.goapr.co.uk)
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
So if a customer of yours buys stage 1 software and then want to go stage 2+ they dont need to pay any upgrade costs?
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
So if a customer of yours buys stage 1 software and then want to go stage 2+ they dont need to pay any upgrade costs?
Sounds that way. Just a labour charge for the time to flash?
No setup work to do on the Apr stuff is there?
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Whos going to start up the 'mk5gti APR appreciation facebook page?'
I do like APR's attitude to ownership of the map, means that you can buy APR, go try all of the others and then back to APR for a reflash.
If prices were a little more appealing and profit margins were larger for dealers I think they could do well.
Retail is where its at because its quality and we spend more resources on our development than most.
Margin is where it is because our retail price is our real price. You wouldn't be able to participate in price wars across the UK in order to win business away from other APR dealers.
We believe in a local support philosophy where pricing is the same at all APR dealers and those dealers focus on providing the best service possible to their local communities.
Price wars create a race to the bottom where eventually everyone suffers as the guy that sits in the basement of his parents' house doesn't have a proper workshop with proper resources and tools to pay for and is happy making slim margins as he only has to support himself. This will eventually ruin the customer service and warranty support for our clients. We like our dealers to be able to do an honest business and fill their facilities with the best technicians and best tools that aid in the best results. This then eventually trickles up to the manufacturers who have to move manufacturing to China or similar, reduce overall quality or hire cheaper labor. APR is full of engineering boffins that command higher salaries and produce what are better results in my opinion.
Cheap remaps for all will result in all companies becoming a Man in a Van as I think you guys call it over here as opposed to a proper R&D center. It also makes it more difficult for these companies to properly take care of clients when something does go wrong as every quid is tight and the resources for speedy resolutions or even resolutions at all aren't available.
Its why most tuners over here have "never" made a mistake and anything that goes wrong is always blamed on something else like a bad tank of gas or a weak OEM part.
We've made mistakes, sure, we are human, but when we do, we compensate our clients and make them whole again.
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Should do a ED35 demo with the same stuff as on the demo R.
Way more 2WD owners out there than 4WD then you can make a proper judgement for jumping ship or not.
Still wouldn't mind a go in the Golf R to see how it goes! :driver:
Ugh, but we have a 2.0 TSI Rocco (VWR's) and Golf R currently.
I wanted a 1.4 TSI A1 next. :happy2:
Maybe there is an enthusiast in close proximity to APR in MK with a 35 that would like to be our demo car?
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
So if a customer of yours buys stage 1 software and then want to go stage 2+ they dont need to pay any upgrade costs?
Exactly!
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Ill be your demo 1.4TSI :innocent: :innocent:
You dont want an A1 their hideous and driven by gays....
What you want is a car that looks like a golf cart
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4ETFTHxXPwg/Tv5MPpJ6zuI/AAAAAAAADM8/K3Ns6kQI4Gc/w356-h237-k/IMG_6613.JPG)
it is a bit gay though
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Ill be your demo 1.4TSI :innocent: :innocent:
You dont want an A1 their hideous and driven by gays....
What you want is a car that looks like a golf cart
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4ETFTHxXPwg/Tv5MPpJ6zuI/AAAAAAAADM8/K3Ns6kQI4Gc/w356-h237-k/IMG_6613.JPG)
it is a bit gay though
hahaha!!
A1 for my lady to drive but fast as hell.
I have a lot of work to do on a 1.4 TSI so I doubt you'd want to leave it with me as much as would be required.
Intake, Exhaust, Turbo Upgrade, Engine Mounts, Suspension, Brakes.......
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A1 for my lady to drive but fast as hell.
I have a lot of work to do on a 1.4 TSI so I doubt you'd want to leave it with me as much as would be required.
Intake, Exhaust, Turbo Upgrade, Engine Mounts, Suspension, Brakes.......
Suspension & brakes -No! Have plans for them
need Engine mounts though- None on the market.
Turbo upgrade yes please
Intake yes please
Lol
With any luck my car will be APR within the fortnight anyhow
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wow im quite intrested in goin 4 a spin in this R 2 c wot APR is like compared 2 my revo as currently lookin at goin from stage 2 to 2+ so this may be wot im after :evilgrin:
Schedule in an appointment for a test drive! www.goapr.co.uk (http://www.goapr.co.uk)
how would i go about this?? just ring MK and arrange a time and date???????
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
So am I reading this correctly, If I upgrade my current revo software you will only charge £50 to switch over to Apr software or is that a one off offer for heavy d?
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Intake, Exhaust, Turbo Upgrade, Engine Mounts, Suspension, Brakes.......
I am outside the country for 6 MONTHs very soon where the car will be parked u doing nothing. All that was going to be sorted as soon as im back but.....
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A1 for my lady to drive but fast as hell.
I have a lot of work to do on a 1.4 TSI so I doubt you'd want to leave it with me as much as would be required.
Intake, Exhaust, Turbo Upgrade, Engine Mounts, Suspension, Brakes.......
Suspension & brakes -No! Have plans for them
need Engine mounts though- None on the market.
Turbo upgrade yes please
Intake yes please
Lol
With any luck my car will be APR within the fortnight anyhow
The homo mobile is going to be mint!!
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wow im quite intrested in goin 4 a spin in this R 2 c wot APR is like compared 2 my revo as currently lookin at goin from stage 2 to 2+ so this may be wot im after :evilgrin:
Schedule in an appointment for a test drive! www.goapr.co.uk (http://www.goapr.co.uk)
how would i go about this?? just ring MK and arrange a time and date???????
Or email. Greg is your man and he'll be in the office at 9am on Monday.
The Golf R is pretty well booked right now so there will be a tight window on Wednesday or readily available after the 19th.
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
So am I reading this correctly, If I upgrade my current revo software you will only charge £50 to switch over to Apr software or is that a one off offer for heavy d?
Sorry, that was only for HeavyD so he could add us to his list of tested software so you guys can get his feedback and impressions.
For anyone that has never owned APR but has a competitor's software now, I'll do 300 quid. If its Revo, I'll do 250. :innocent:
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:grin: :grin:
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Intake, Exhaust, Turbo Upgrade, Engine Mounts, Suspension, Brakes.......
I am outside the country for 6 MONTHs very soon where the car will be parked u doing nothing. All that was going to be sorted as soon as im back but.....
hmmm, sounds like this might work then! Let me confer with my colleagues on Monday and I'll get back to you on this.
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1.4TSI hybrid is here already
http://www.loba-motorsport.com/en/home/news/new-product---lo270-for-vag-14-tsi
270PS, they are looking for a UK based guinea pig....Be interesting to see what APR could do with it.
Loba are the go to people for all things RS4 evidently, MRC use their turbos, Unit 20 etc etc, they also originated the TTRS hybrid that Revo were tryingto get to 500 BHP
I know Simon at Loba quite well let me know if you need an introduction!.
Very stand up company by all accounts
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
So am I reading this correctly, If I upgrade my current revo software you will only charge £50 to switch over to Apr software or is that a one off offer for heavy d?
Sorry, that was only for HeavyD so he could add us to his list of tested software so you guys can get his feedback and impressions.
For anyone that has never owned APR but has a competitor's software now, I'll do 300 quid. If its Revo, I'll do 250. :innocent:
Thanks, that is a great offer for members :drinking: I may well take you up on it in the future after hearing some more positive feedback.
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I have to give the Golf R back :sad1:
But I have some APR 2.5TFSI goodness to look forward to! :jumping:
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1.4TSI hybrid is here already
http://www.loba-motorsport.com/en/home/news/new-product---lo270-for-vag-14-tsi
270PS, they are looking for a UK based guinea pig....Be interesting to see what APR could do with it.
Loba are the go to people for all things RS4 evidently, MRC use their turbos, Unit 20 etc etc, they also originated the TTRS hybrid that Revo were tryingto get to 500 BHP
I know Simon at Loba quite well let me know if you need an introduction!.
Very stand up company by all accounts
If Sy is willing for his car to be used I will do the install and calibration FOC.
If Loba can supply the volumes APR would need, the quality and pricing is there, we are game.
Sounds like I need a trip to Germany? Can't say I know much about them. I think Arin@APR has spoken with someone from there before.
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I do believe ill be receiving it from you pov. t
I do forsee a massive issue.
You get out the 380Hp golf R into a 420hp TTRS.
ill get out the 380hp Golf R into a 220hp vRS......
@ Keith
Did someone say turbo!!!
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Should do a ED35 demo with the same stuff as on the demo R.
Way more 2WD owners out there than 4WD then you can make a proper judgement for jumping ship or not.
Still wouldn't mind a go in the Golf R to see how it goes! :driver:
Ugh, but we have a 2.0 TSI Rocco (VWR's) and Golf R currently.
I wanted a 1.4 TSI A1 next. :happy2:
Maybe there is an enthusiast in close proximity to APR in MK with a 35 that would like to be our demo car?
I might just know someone who may be interested!!!
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I have to give the Golf R back :sad1:
But I have some APR 2.5TFSI goodness to look forward to! :jumping:
Yeah man! JC says it feels good.
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I have to give the Golf R back :sad1:
But I have some APR 2.5TFSI goodness to look forward to! :jumping:
Yeah man! JC says it feels good.
He keeps teasing me telling me how quick it is lol. Chomping at the bit to have a go now!
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1.4TSI hybrid is here already
http://www.loba-motorsport.com/en/home/news/new-product---lo270-for-vag-14-tsi
270PS, they are looking for a UK based guinea pig....Be interesting to see what APR could do with it.
Loba are the go to people for all things RS4 evidently, MRC use their turbos, Unit 20 etc etc, they also originated the TTRS hybrid that Revo were tryingto get to 500 BHP
I know Simon at Loba quite well let me know if you need an introduction!.
Very stand up company by all accounts
If Sy is willing for his car to be used I will do the install and calibration FOC.
If Loba can supply the volumes APR would need, the quality and pricing is there, we are game.
Sounds like I need a trip to Germany? Can't say I know much about them. I think Arin@APR has spoken with someone from there before.
Ahhh now maybe Loba will make us that TTRS clutch that JC and myself are after. OEM turbo guys want it too!
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1.4TSI hybrid is here already
http://www.loba-motorsport.com/en/home/news/new-product---lo270-for-vag-14-tsi
270PS, they are looking for a UK based guinea pig....Be interesting to see what APR could do with it.
Loba are the go to people for all things RS4 evidently, MRC use their turbos, Unit 20 etc etc, they also originated the TTRS hybrid that Revo were tryingto get to 500 BHP
I know Simon at Loba quite well let me know if you need an introduction!.
Very stand up company by all accounts
If Sy is willing for his car to be used I will do the install and calibration FOC.
If Loba can supply the volumes APR would need, the quality and pricing is there, we are game.
Sounds like I need a trip to Germany? Can't say I know much about them. I think Arin@APR has spoken with someone from there before.
With the greatest of respect to them I think they're more embroiled on the technical development side rather than promoting themselves (rather than the other way around) they have also had some issues with a lot of their technical work being plagiarised by others.
I'll point this thread out to Simon who is in effect Loba Uk, be good to get a dialogue underway
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Oh yeah I saw that some so called "respectable" tuners copying Loba's hard work, they still couldnt match the quality though!
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1.4TSI hybrid is here already
http://www.loba-motorsport.com/en/home/news/new-product---lo270-for-vag-14-tsi
270PS, they are looking for a UK based guinea pig....Be interesting to see what APR could do with it.
Loba are the go to people for all things RS4 evidently, MRC use their turbos, Unit 20 etc etc, they also originated the TTRS hybrid that Revo were tryingto get to 500 BHP
I know Simon at Loba quite well let me know if you need an introduction!.
Very stand up company by all accounts
If Sy is willing for his car to be used I will do the install and calibration FOC.
If Loba can supply the volumes APR would need, the quality and pricing is there, we are game.
Sounds like I need a trip to Germany? Can't say I know much about them. I think Arin@APR has spoken with someone from there before.
With the greatest of respect to them I think they're more embroiled on the technical development side rather than promoting themselves (rather than the other way around) they have also had some issues with a lot of their technical work being plagiarised by others.
I'll point this thread out to Simon who is in effect Loba Uk, be good to get a dialogue underway
Sounds good, thank you. FWIW, we will sign non disclosure and non compete agreements so their IP and hard work can remain protected.
APR currently doesn't have the equipment required for modifying turbos so we have no interest in being in that business ourselves. Center section balancers, hot gas flow benches, etc. are very expensive machines.
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I've emailed Simon.
Hopefully he'll be along shortly, I mentioned on the other " let's talk hybrids" thread that Loba only rate their KO4 Hybrid for 380PS, some are claiming that for a stage 2+ OEM KO4!
Refreshing they don't get into the pissing contest others do...
Maybe the powers the same but delivery is different
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ive already passed on keiths email to Si. I had mailed him on vagoc o ask for compressor maps for the Loba270 for mine
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Cheap Remaps for Revo Customers..............
For anyone that has never owned APR but has a competitor's software now, I'll do 300 quid. If its Revo, I'll do 250. :innocent:
Cheap remaps for all will result in all companies becoming a Man in a Van as I think you guys call it over here as opposed to a proper R&D center. It also makes it more difficult for these companies to properly take care of clients when something does go wrong as every quid is tight and the resources for speedy resolutions or even resolutions at all aren't available.
Genuinely not sure I understand. :confused:
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Has the Golf R a bigger KO4 turbo or something, how are they getting 50bhp more than the older engines like in the ED30 , S3 etc
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I've emailed Simon.
Hopefully he'll be along shortly, I mentioned on the other " let's talk hybrids" thread that Loba only rate their KO4 Hybrid for 380PS, some are claiming that for a stage 2+ OEM KO4!
Refreshing they don't get into the pissing contest others do...
Maybe the powers the same but delivery is different
It really depends on how they arrive at their ratings. There are sooo many variables across different dyno's, calibrations, supporting hardware, etc. that as a turbo manufacturer its difficult to claim an ultimate power level that everyone can expect to recreate. I assume they tend to stay on the conservative side as we do in order to not disappoint.
We have tons of experience with Garrett/Honeywell and Borg Warner turbos and find that we can typically achieve more than their ratings. We package these up into APR kits and the power responsibility becomes ours at that point leaving the turbo manufacturer without concern for recourse if it isn't achieved.
Exhaust Gas Temperature specs are extremely important to us and we tend to adhere to them more than others so warranty concerns for premature failures tend to become non-existant.
APR is unique to most as we control both ends of the spectrum and won't leave hardware manufacturers that we choose to do business with holding the bag. The clients call us and we suffer the burden of recreating our power figures.
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@ Keith
Seeing here you seem determined to do some good PR, would you possibly reconsider the RMA on my APR RSC with corrosion scars on the tips that your company first told me i would get a replacement part then told me to polish it away :stupid:
Cheers,
Jake
Could you send me some pics? klucas@goapr.com
Its low carbon US stainless steel so its supposed to be impervious to rust and sometimes I've seen surface corrosion from carbon build up that removes with polishing that isn't technically rusting of the metal itself.
I'll take care of it either way for you. I'm pretty sure I can remove it for you with polish but since its difficult for you to get to me and vice versa, I will consider replacing the rear section for you after I see the pics.
Sorry for the hassle as I'm sure you've sent pics of it before but I don't have access to them from the UK.
Mail sent, thx again for your time :drinking:
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Cheap Remaps for Revo Customers..............
For anyone that has never owned APR but has a competitor's software now, I'll do 300 quid. If its Revo, I'll do 250. :innocent:
Cheap remaps for all will result in all companies becoming a Man in a Van as I think you guys call it over here as opposed to a proper R&D center. It also makes it more difficult for these companies to properly take care of clients when something does go wrong as every quid is tight and the resources for speedy resolutions or even resolutions at all aren't available.
Genuinely not sure I understand. :confused:
haha, I see your point.
However, the distinction in this case is that we would expect to not see that business at all as most should be happy with their current choice. We feel our maps are something you buy once and don't have to keep jumping around spending 500 quid a time to find what's best for you (although I'll admit prior to my arrival here some of you didn't feel that way about our products).
Reduced pricing strategy to those who have already spent their hard earned money on a competitor's product in order to help them afford to purchase our brand is a good way to reintroduce ourselves into the market.
Our standard retail pricing will always remain solid as we don't feel the lowest price is a good reason to purchase a product.
On face value, as you've pointed out, it seems to be contradictory but its two different markets. Those who already have a remap shouldn't be coming to see us and those who haven't purchased a remap should be comfortable knowing there is additional quality in APR products to justify the additional price.
Its similar to the same reasons I've offered HeavyD a free remap. It helps APR by having a trusted and experienced enthusiast happy with our products (hopefully) and helps the community make better informed decisions on what to buy.
I don't think I would ever expect someone to pay for mapping twice but if they decide to, I feel like I should help them out.
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Has the Golf R a bigger KO4 turbo or something, how are they getting 50bhp more than the older engines like in the ED30 , S3 etc
Do you mean my Golf R?
The additional power comes from a new version of our mapping and supporting mods which are available to all Ko4 engines so they should expect similar results.
Also, the final power figures have not been established, 380bhp is an estimate made by those that are experienced with various ko4 cars and from the results of side by side acceleration testing with ko4 cars equipped with competitor's products.
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When's the MAHA Dyno going in? Think a forum RR Day there might be on the cards!!
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When's the MAHA Dyno going in? Think a forum RR Day there might be on the cards!!
Hopefully, hopefully, by the middle of March.
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pm sent - Interested... :evilgrin:
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Very interesting thread this.
I wonder how many on here will be tempted to change from Revo to new and improved APR.
The comments from APR Keith all seem very genuine and seems to indicate a very high level of passion, knowledge and customer service, Which is good to hear. There's definitely another option for mapping these days it seems.
BTW Currently running Revo St2+, to be honest still getting used to it even though it's been on the car for about 8 weeks.
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Very interesting thread this.
I wonder how many on here will be tempted to change from Revo to new and improved APR.
The comments from APR Keith all seem very genuine and seems to indicate a very high level of passion, knowledge and customer service, Which is good to hear. There's definitely another option for mapping these days it seems.
BTW Currently running Revo St2+, to be honest still getting used to it even though it's been on the car for about 8 weeks.
Thanks for the kind words!
I'm happy to be able to provide the same service and dedication we provide back home in the states.
My lady and I are also enjoying the UK and Europe very much. Thanks to all who have made us feel welcome. Its been hard leaving family and friends behind but we are quickly making new ones. :smiley:
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Keith
What is the deal with APR uk now. Are you moving here permenantly to run it, or are you here short term? Isit largely motorsport ie vw raving based etc?
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To be honest Vw racings site is perfect for these guys to open up shop as I think It could be made into a very nice place with the rolling road and I know Mat was looking at having a rr years ago when he left his last job. I wish you big success over in the uk and don't worry Mat and Sam will look after you while you in the uk. Will have to come down and see the new set up
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Matt
That might well be the case, but I hope APR dont dilute what seems like them revisiting previous customer services with racing lines efforts....
If I had a pound for every time I heard "keep trying - they're really busy with the race side and testing" i'd be browsing RS246.com and not here
A little cross polination would be good but they need to stay very much seperate
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Keith
What is the deal with APR uk now. Are you moving here permenantly to run it, or are you here short term? Isit largely motorsport ie vw raving based etc?
I am here permanently.
VWR has been gracious enough to allow us into their facility. There are quite a lot of synergies between us so it works out well.
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Only time and effort will prove things Dave. I have had apr products and maps in the past so I am holding back judgement until I have been down to Vwr and spent some time seeing how things work on site.
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To be honest Vw racings site is perfect for these guys to open up shop as I think It could be made into a very nice place with the rolling road and I know Mat was looking at having a rr years ago when he left his last job. I wish you big success over in the uk and don't worry Mat and Sam will look after you while you in the uk. Will have to come down and see the new set up
Thank you so much! Matt and Sam are absolutely great. I don't know if we could have found a better organization to partner with.
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Matt
That might well be the case, but I hope APR dont dilute what seems like them revisiting previous customer services with racing lines efforts....
If I had a pound for every time I heard "keep trying - they're really busy with the race side and testing" i'd be browsing RS246.com and not here
A little cross polination would be good but they need to stay very much seperate
We operate independently and will stay that way. APR has its focus which is the enthusiast community whilst VWR maintains their focus on racing and developing their product line.
We share a few resources as far as equipment and relationships but their staff is their staff and APR Motorsport, LTD has its own as well.
Both of us have a desire to grow but VWR will always maintain their core fundamentals which are different from APR's.
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Firstly this isnt a dig at APR but why would someone running Revo stage 2+ pay £250 just to go APR :confused:
Revo hasnt suddenly started making sh*t maps overnight especially not on the 2.0tfsi, imo if you have Revo of any stage and you change to APR, your a moron and simply jumping on the band waggon at a cost of £250 :signLOL:
Im glad APR are back as Revo perhaps were getting too cockey with there dominance, at the end of the day, competition between tuners is better for us guys!
Good luck and maybe on my next car who knows :happy2:
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Firstly this isnt a dig at APR but why would someone running Revo stage 2+ pay £250 just to go APR :confused:
Revo hasnt suddenly started making sh*t maps overnight especially not on the 2.0tfsi, imo if you have Revo of any stage and you change to APR, your a moron and simply jumping on the band waggon at a cost of £250 :signLOL:
Im glad APR are back as Revo perhaps were getting too cockey with there dominance, at the end of the day, competition between tuners is better for us guys!
Good luck and maybe on my next car who knows :happy2:
Thanks Rob. 500 seemed especially steep, thus my offer. Plus, time will tell what the differences are for certain as more people try our new maps.
Cheers!
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Would a hybrid ko4 bolted on compliment the map or would the map have to be tweaked?
It's something ive thought about since Statller & jabba put them on their edition 30s
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Firstly this isnt a dig at APR but why would someone running Revo stage 2+ pay £250 just to go APR :confused:
Revo hasnt suddenly started making sh*t maps overnight especially not on the 2.0tfsi, imo if you have Revo of any stage and you change to APR, your a moron and simply jumping on the band waggon at a cost of £250 :signLOL:
Im glad APR are back as Revo perhaps were getting too cockey with there dominance, at the end of the day, competition between tuners is better for us guys!
Good luck and maybe on my next car who knows :happy2:
I'd call it the, jumping off the costa Concordia band wagon and going APR :D
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OK enough, since when has Revo suddenly become a sinking ship :confused:
There has been some really good discussion and information sharing going on on this thread and it's the perceived "sponsored" responses like that only serve to turn this thread into a slagging match.
It's very early days for APR and it's re-entry into the UK tuning market, I am really hopeful is works out for them on the basis this will provide some competition and ultimately move the tuning game on to everyone benefit.
This site is not going to descend into the typical style of posting found across the pond whenever a thread is started covering something from Revo or APR, it will, while I have a say in it, remain 100% free of sponsorship or particular ties to any tuner or company, to give it's members a place to find or discuss things in an open and unbiased way.
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I'd call it the, jumping off the costa Concordia band wagon and going APR :D
:grin:
with free tickets? :wink: :wink:
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A linear throttle pedal would be very useful.
:happy2:
So, should I have this as an option?
Yes definately! :happy2:
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What would be brilliant is if we started to have tuner hot hatch shoot outs.
Get all the big tuners with equivalent tuned cars across the whole vag ranges and models and get pitting them against each other at bruntingthorp
Be good to get the renault/ford boys involved later as,well
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Stevep that was a tongue in cheek comment dude! :happy2:
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What would be brilliant is if we started to have tuner hot hatch shoot outs.
Get all the big tuners with equivalent tuned cars across the whole vag ranges and models and get pitting them against each other at bruntingthorp
Be good to get the renault/ford boys involved later as,well
We used to try those in the states for years. Dyno shootouts, 1/4 mile days, etc.
One of the most popular for European cars was the Eurotuner GP which is still held.
The problem is that people would always cheat.
Companies would come out with "Stage 2" cars with nitrous installed, built engines, whatever....
So now its basically a time attack where all the cars that participate are pretty much race cars that have no correlation to what you could buy for your road car.
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Would a hybrid ko4 bolted on compliment the map or would the map have to be tweaked?
It's something ive thought about since Statller & jabba put them on their edition 30s
It would need a new remap if it does enough to justify the change.
Theoretically, they spool faster and move more air so boost, timing and lambda would all need to be adjusted like going from a ko3 to ko4.
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Ah okay, cheers for the reply. Hybrid ko4 Would be mental on my car if the new maps anything to go by!
Why don't you melt snow! :driver: :driver:
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Is a hybrid 2.0tfsi map something APR would offer in the future? Just wondering as its a subject that keeps popping up. A friend of mine is keen to hybrid his golf also.
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I wonder if it would be possible to get TTRS Stage 1 power from a KO4...... That would be an interesting development wouldn't it
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Steve@statllers is running 440hp on his with wmi and hybrid or 410hp without wmi.
Hes running the same Revo map :scared: :grin: as vrsAlex, so i guess we need Alex to put his on a dyno to confirm there is 400+ available from a hybrid.
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Is a hybrid 2.0tfsi map something APR would offer in the future? Just wondering as its a subject that keeps popping up. A friend of mine is keen to hybrid his golf also.
Historically we don't like hybrids as our testing has proven them less than reliable.
But that's not to say we've tested all of the hybrids out there so I'm told there are some good ones over here.
Its possible. Maybe something we offer as a custom solution. I doubt we would offer it as part of our standard product line unless it was a kit we develop and offer.
Just need to find the best one.
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Does anyone know the spec of the hybrid turbo used on Statlers demo ???
Cheaper than the €2.2k quoted for the LOBA 380 hybrid ??
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Can I trade in my reduced price apr remap for an rsc exhaust?
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Does anyone know the spec of the hybrid turbo used on Statlers demo ???
Cheaper than the €2.2k quoted for the LOBA 380 hybrid ??
I think steve said it was around £850 but you need to supply them with a turbo plus fitting costs.
Not sure on the spec or the company he used to hybrid the turbo, Hurdy might know.
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Does anyone know the spec of the hybrid turbo used on Statlers demo ???
Cheaper than the €2.2k quoted for the LOBA 380 hybrid ??
I think steve said it was around £850 but you need to supply them with a turbo plus fitting costs.
Not sure on the spec or the company he used to hybrid the turbo, Hurdy might know.
The supplied turbo had to be mint too.
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Does anyone know the spec of the hybrid turbo used on Statlers demo ???
Cheaper than the €2.2k quoted for the LOBA 380 hybrid ??
I think steve said it was around £850 but you need to supply them with a turbo plus fitting costs.
Not sure on the spec or the company he used to hybrid the turbo, Hurdy might know.
I think Hurdy posted up it was Turbo Dynamics that did the Hybrid for Statlers with a K24 wheel
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I wouldnt trust a turbo dynamics turbo on my car. They have a bad rep in the circles im in.
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@Mike Not so sure it has to be mint, although i do remember one company insisting it had to. But i think steve said it didnt matter.
@Yin Im pretty sure it wasnt turbo dyamics although i could be wrong :ashamed:
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@Mike Not so sure it has to be mint, although i do remember one company insisting it had to. But i think steve said it didnt matter.
@Yin Im pretty sure it wasnt turbo dyamics although i could be wrong :ashamed:
Im sure it was turbo dynamics and think it may have been Owen_lcr who's turbo turbo was refused for not being a minter but there are lots of threads on it
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So £850 to hybridise plus an exchange unit....what's a half decent KO4 fetching?
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What do standard ko4's go for?
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So £850 to hybridise plus an exchange unit....what's a half decent KO4 fetching?
Around £400-500ish or a brand new unit around £900
Also i forgot i sent vrsAlex my knackered turbo and im pretty sure hes using that on his vrs and that turbo was dead!!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-Golf-5-GTI-2-0-tfsi-NEW-Genuine-BorgWarner-K04-Turbocharger-/130603061343#vi-content
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Mine was built by universal turbos. The turbo I supplied them was shot to pieces, but the parts are available to rebuild them.
Mine just has a larger comp wheel, but they couldnt/wouldn't tell me the size of it. I do have a pic somewhere as I took to comp housing off to have a look.
Testing shows a faster spool leading to a very slightly higher boost hold at the top. I doubt its much higher than 380 bhp anyway at a realistic dyno. The sooner we start focusing on whp rather that flywheel figures the better imo.
The whole process for me cost less than buying a good used k04.
K24 is quite an old style of wheel now.
INA does his own version of the hybrid, but I don't know specs as I've not asked yet. Uses a billet comp wheel I believe.
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
Very generous offer Keith :happy2:
Quite a hard decision to make, as since I fitted the APR HPFP yesterday. then datalogged it and everything is running perfectly.
APR dealer is about 150 miles away, PDTuning Revo dealer is about 4 miles away. I'm still within the 30 day money back guarantee with Revo aswell. But then again, I dont want to using a relatively new map and have to get the engine rebuilt again :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
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No word on pricing either although looks a nice kit
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=338582
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I've been speaking to Greg @ APR this week with regards to getting a map for my Hybrid for my Eddy! He said this is something that would need to be tried and tested on my Car so, we're arranging a date for me to drop my car off to the guys to see what "magic" they can do!
I had APR on my 1st Car which was the '07 VW Polo GTI 1.8T and, loved it to pieces! Trialed it on my Eddy but, as I'm all about power felt the Revo gave that more punch so, that's why I went for that along with that fact that APR were parting company with many tuners that were local to me back then!
So, will see what they can do with my Car now! Hopefully it blows me away :driver:
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I've been speaking to Greg @ APR this week with regards to getting a map for my Hybrid for my Eddy! He said this is something that would need to be tried and tested on my Car so, we're arranging a date for me to drop my car off to the guys to see what "magic" they can do!
I had APR on my 1st Car which was the '07 VW Polo GTI 1.8T and, loved it to pieces! Trialed it on my Eddy but, as I'm all about power felt the Revo gave that more punch so, that's why I went for that along with that fact that APR were parting company with many tuners that were local to me back then!
So, will see what they can do with my Car now! Hopefully it blows me away :driver:
Did you go universal turbos in the end?
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Yes I did, Al! They quoted me £350 inc VAT to Hybridise the Turbo compared to Turbo Dynamics £800 inc VAT. We use them at work for Turbo repairs and bring them a lot of business too :stupid:! Really nice bunch of people down there too! They also coolect and deliver in that price too! Would highly recommend and use again :happy2:
Thanks again, Al!
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Hi Keith,
It seems that Poverty has caused quite a stir with his review of your new software package not only here but over on the SEAT forums.
Its threads like this that keep us guys interested in improving and falling in love again with our cars :laugh:
but its also good to have some good old competion , so welcome to the uk :smiley:
I was probably one of those people who was swayed to go Revo after all the hype around APR v Revo , with 90% of forum members going Revo and saying it was the best thing since sliced bread , but i did have an upsolute map on my old volvo 2.0t (yes i know the shame of it) and i have to say that was the best £ to smile than i ever had even better than the Revo map i have today , so i do think its unfair to judge companies before trying their product , so im very interested in the new development work that APR is doing.
I do have a question though , now it would seem that APR is taking a big interest in the uk , especially since you have said you are here full time , will there be any synergies now between American and uk pricing?
I think its been demonstarated already that we can import APR parts into the uk and still make a substanial saving over UK APR pricing , obviously maps will have to come from the uk , is there any chance that APR will review their parts pricing policies?
oh and welcome to the UK
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On that subject, APR uk wanted £979 + shipping for an APR hpfp. Another UK supplier charges £750 inc delivery for exactly the same item :stupid:
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One thing i dont understand is why when our cars come with a borgwarner turbo do we upgrade them with Garret's. Borg warner have just releised the EFR range would it not be a straight swap from the Turbo we have now to the 6758 turbo plus a revised map?
Im probably talking absolute bollox here mind :rolleye:
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Its because the turbo and manifold are one piece rob. To fit any other turbo would require a new manifold.
I'd love to see a EFR turbo TFSI though!
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Oh yeah i forgot its all one peice :fighting2:
Id consider doing it if i had a 4wd varient of the 2.0tfsi but fwd would just be pointless :sad1:
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Hi Keith,
It seems that Poverty has caused quite a stir with his review of your new software package not only here but over on the SEAT forums.
Its threads like this that keep us guys interested in improving and falling in love again with our cars :laugh:
but its also good to have some good old competion , so welcome to the uk :smiley:
I was probably one of those people who was swayed to go Revo after all the hype around APR v Revo , with 90% of forum members going Revo and saying it was the best thing since sliced bread , but i did have an upsolute map on my old volvo 2.0t (yes i know the shame of it) and i have to say that was the best £ to smile than i ever had even better than the Revo map i have today , so i do think its unfair to judge companies before trying their product , so im very interested in the new development work that APR is doing.
I do have a question though , now it would seem that APR is taking a big interest in the uk , especially since you have said you are here full time , will there be any synergies now between American and uk pricing?
I think its been demonstarated already that we can import APR parts into the uk and still make a substanial saving over UK APR pricing , obviously maps will have to come from the uk , is there any chance that APR will review their parts pricing policies?
oh and welcome to the UK
Thanks for the welcome!
I've priced everything as low as possible.
I've taken the cost that APR USA has to make the products, added in 10% for profit plus what's necessary to cover the costs of the UK operation and then added in margin for dealers to arrive at the retail prices.
I'm not sure how you guys get them in any cheaper. I am shipping by pallets and paying very, very low shipping prices, less than 1 USD per pound of shipping weight.
The only thing I can figure is that when you import them yourselves, the companies you buy from are reducing the invoices or sending them as a gift or warranty repair so you don't pay any import duties. This would dramatically reduce the prices as you've relayed.
The only catch to importing them yourself however, is there is no warranty for products purchased in this manner and if we find out which APR dealers are doing this, they lose part of their discount and if they continue to do so, they will no longer be an APR dealer.
We like to run a clean business and have enough margin in the products to provide outstanding warranty and customer service.
I do understand everyone likes to save money so I can empathize with those of you that do participate in gray market sourcing.
The unfortunate fact of the matter though, is that if me being here just results in more people from the UK buying from other countries, we will have to pull out of the market as we won't be able to sustain the costs of the operation. However, I'm not terribly worried about it because most people will buy from us due to our levels of service and most importantly because they want to have a warranty.
I wish there was more I could do to lower the prices but its really up to the Queen. :sad1:
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For me to be like Dom I need the same map twice. I'm not planning on going back to shark lol
Just waiting on a come back from keith@APR
You have some catching up to do!
Superchips stage 1
superchips stage 2
superchips stage 3 (3 revisions)
revo stage 2+
PDtuning stage 2
Shark stage 3 ( 7 revisions)
Shark stage 1
Pdtuning stage 2
Revo stage 2
comins soon Revo stage 2+
Beat that :popcornsoda:
Well, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try us then.
If you want to try our map before the Revo S2+, you won't have to pay anything unless you want to keep it and then I'll only charge the 50GBP Revo upgrade price.
FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free. You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
Very generous offer Keith :happy2:
Quite a hard decision to make, as since I fitted the APR HPFP yesterday. then datalogged it and everything is running perfectly.
APR dealer is about 150 miles away, PDTuning Revo dealer is about 4 miles away. I'm still within the 30 day money back guarantee with Revo aswell. But then again, I dont want to using a relatively new map and have to get the engine rebuilt again :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
Where are you located? I travel quite a bit, maybe I can come see you?
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On that subject, APR uk wanted £979 + shipping for an APR hpfp. Another UK supplier charges £750 inc delivery for exactly the same item :stupid:
Sometimes used HPFP's sourced by the dealer are sent to us for a rebuild and unfortunately sold as new pumps. Because I've caught wind of this happening rather frequently in the UK and Europe, we are establishing a better tracking process and identification system for used, rebuilt pumps and new pumps.
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One thing i dont understand is why when our cars come with a borgwarner turbo do we upgrade them with Garret's. Borg warner have just releised the EFR range would it not be a straight swap from the Turbo we have now to the 6758 turbo plus a revised map?
Im probably talking absolute bollox here mind :rolleye:
Unfortunately EFR turbo's are very large for the performance they deliver. We've tested them and they work fantastic but getting them in between the engine and fire wall creates too many compromises in exhaust manifold and exhaust downpipe design so the GTX's are the winners for us.
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Is a hybrid 2.0tfsi map something APR would offer in the future? Just wondering as its a subject that keeps popping up. A friend of mine is keen to hybrid his golf also.
Historically we don't like hybrids as our testing has proven them less than reliable.
But that's not to say we've tested all of the hybrids out there so I'm told there are some good ones over here.
Its possible. Maybe something we offer as a custom solution. I doubt we would offer it as part of our standard product line unless it was a kit we develop and offer.
Just need to find the best one.
By looking at the posts just in here if you did come up with a K04 Hybrid Kit fitted and mapped it would sell :driver:
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On that subject, APR uk wanted £979 + shipping for an APR hpfp. Another UK supplier charges £750 inc delivery for exactly the same item :stupid:
Sometimes used HPFP's sourced by the dealer are sent to us for a rebuild and unfortunately sold as new pumps. Because I've caught wind of this happening rather frequently in the UK and Europe, we are establishing a better tracking process and identification system for used, rebuilt pumps and new pumps.
thanks for the reply
does that mean that APR will now rerubish in the UK?
or do you already?
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Do Owen developments do a hybrid, herd good things about that company.
Hybrid option would work but your never going to get massive gains out of it and so paying £2k plus would be daft for only 40hp. If the price was right say £1-1.5k and there was enough in the turbo to push us over the 400hp mark with good reliability then i think plenty of people would be interested.
At this moment only Gaic offer a map for a hybrid, Revo's is an aggressive stage 2+ map or there stage 3 map with boost controller.
The only issue i see is it would be in direct competition with your gt2871 kit but less lag.
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Bit of a tangent question for Keith but does your upgrade K03 to K04 map utilise any of the tweaking/coding that you're now using in the K04 2+ Version 3 software?
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1.4TSI hybrid is here already
http://www.loba-motorsport.com/en/home/news/new-product---lo270-for-vag-14-tsi
270PS, they are looking for a UK based guinea pig....Be interesting to see what APR could do with it.
Loba are the go to people for all things RS4 evidently, MRC use their turbos, Unit 20 etc etc, they also originated the TTRS hybrid that Revo were tryingto get to 500 BHP
I know Simon at Loba quite well let me know if you need an introduction!.
Very stand up company by all accounts
If Sy is willing for his car to be used I will do the install and calibration FOC.
If Loba can supply the volumes APR would need, the quality and pricing is there, we are game.
Sounds like I need a trip to Germany? Can't say I know much about them. I think Arin@APR has spoken with someone from there before.
Hi Keith
been pointed this way by friends (thanks)
ill shoot you a email, the Volume is not a problem or quality, we supply some of the biggest VAG tuning houses and they re-brand as there own and we work with many smaller tuners too.
On a side note for the guys asking on prices of hybrid units, prices your see from us listed are for brand new units , we can also upgrade your existing unit to lets say LO380 Spec, but we would really need to inspect and give you a report and quote a price.
most power ive personally seen from this unit is 390ps 545nm on a ED30 golf, i do think if 370+ can be made on oem unit as some tuners claim then id really like to see what they could do with LO380, im not doubting just really like to see...
We are not cheap but we have the very highest standards we don't use cheap copy parts at all only genuine or better ie :custom parts, but in 6 years we never seen a failure due to parts, a record we have pride in saying, all parts and processes are done in Germany.
We are Currently in the Process of Building a S3 8P project car right now Using Custom rods and Developing a New stage of OEM turbo that is going to be well over 400
Simon Sharp
LOBA-MOTORSPORT GmbH
S.SHARP@LOBA-MOTORSPORTS.COM
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Hi Keith...
some really nice post in this thread. It is getting attention on a very large scale... Nice to see this kind of feedback from a tuner.
I am currently on Revo stage 2+ and thinking of jumping aboard with APR. My problem (if it is a problem) is I am using a forge wastegate and a HKS boost controller in order to have 3 memory presets of boost.. Would your software work with my setup?
How does 250 pounds equate to euro with my Greek APR dealer in Athens? :drinking:
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Hi Keith...
some really nice post in this thread. It is getting attention on a very large scale... Nice to see this kind of feedback from a tuner.
I am currently on Revo stage 2+ and thinking of jumping aboard with APR. My problem (if it is a problem) is I am using a forge wastegate and a HKS boost controller in order to have 3 memory presets of boost.. Would your software work with my setup?
How does 250 pounds equate to euro with my Greek APR dealer in Athens? :drinking:
Whats wrong with the SPS switch, theres 3 presets on their to adjust boost, timing, fuel :confused:
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Hi Keith...
some really nice post in this thread. It is getting attention on a very large scale... Nice to see this kind of feedback from a tuner.
I am currently on Revo stage 2+ and thinking of jumping aboard with APR. My problem (if it is a problem) is I am using a forge wastegate and a HKS boost controller in order to have 3 memory presets of boost.. Would your software work with my setup?
How does 250 pounds equate to euro with my Greek APR dealer in Athens? :drinking:
Whats wrong with the SPS switch, theres 3 presets on their to adjust boost, timing, fuel :confused:
Nothing wrong with sps. My revo stage 2+ never worked... :confused:
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Judging by previous postings on the US forums, I don't think APR will want to have anything to do with a car utilising any Forge products.
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Keith... What say you??
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Hi Keith...
some really nice post in this thread. It is getting attention on a very large scale... Nice to see this kind of feedback from a tuner.
I am currently on Revo stage 2+ and thinking of jumping aboard with APR. My problem (if it is a problem) is I am using a forge wastegate and a HKS boost controller in order to have 3 memory presets of boost.. Would your software work with my setup?
How does 250 pounds equate to euro with my Greek APR dealer in Athens? :drinking:
Hey Taglo,
Unfortunately my offers were only for the UK. It would be up to APR Greece to offer something for you.
If we were to take on your project, we would ask that you remove the w/g actuator and replace with OEM and the boost controller also. We would calibrate all of this in the OEM ECU without the need for those extra bits. Because this isn't something I would plan to offer to other customers, it would have to be a custom calibration. Contact APR Greece and copy me in the on the email, klucas@goapr.com. I don't know when, but I plan to be in Athens with my calibration expert sometime in the next few months and we could possible do something for you then.
Thanks,
Keith
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Judging by previous postings on the US forums, I don't think APR will want to have anything to do with a car utilising any Forge products.
Really ?? Why's that then??
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On that subject, APR uk wanted £979 + shipping for an APR hpfp. Another UK supplier charges £750 inc delivery for exactly the same item :stupid:
Sometimes used HPFP's sourced by the dealer are sent to us for a rebuild and unfortunately sold as new pumps. Because I've caught wind of this happening rather frequently in the UK and Europe, we are establishing a better tracking process and identification system for used, rebuilt pumps and new pumps.
thanks for the reply
does that mean that APR will now rerubish in the UK?
or do you already?
I am looking into this. I think it would be good if we did!
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Would like to thank PSi tuning for seeing me at short notice and burning the APR update on for me and making me a brew in the process.
Not to far from me so will be bearing you in mind when I dream up some more modification plans :happy2:
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I can fully understand APR coming back to the party as its a large market for them to share at (especcially as lots jumped to Revo and are now thinking of jumping back), and i do understand UK pricing structures compared to USA pricing, but lets be honest US trade price plus a $ per pound/kilo shipping does not add up to UK prices being what they are (A re-map weighs nothing :happy2:), although again I suppose we should be used to it by now in the UK :booty:
I disagree with the warranty side of things on imports and to call them "Grey Imports" does not sound right after all we live in a world economy and with the internet thats the way it works, if an APR product fails the last thing APR need is bad press about refusing to honour a warranty on a product (Wherever it was bought), i thought warranties were on the product itself, not its location?
P.S. im not a hater of APR or ANY otheer tuner in fact my brother had APR on his 1.8T and was happy with it, I just wish that some of the pricing structures would be a tad more "realistic", maybe its the usual case of "Paying for the name"?
£499 Stg 1 remap seems fair enough for a MK5 GTI but £699 for an ED30/S3?? :ashamed:
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699 is daft money. Youd have thought with the likes of R-tech creating great software for ~£300 that the big guns would reduce their pricing.
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699 is daft money. Youd have thought with the likes of R-tech creating great software for ~£300 that the big guns would reduce their pricing.
I know, but like i said, your paying for the name i think or perhaps paying lots more money for little more power? :confused:, Jabbasport is £350 (plus Vat if your not vat reg'd) and costs same on GTI as it does on ED30 or S3?, where does the £200 difference come in? :wink:
Agreed the 3/4 settings thing (EMCS?) is a good idea but worth another £350?, nope.
If APR Stg 1 price was £400-450 I would consider it against other options.
p.s. bracing myself in case im talking tosh again (Allegedley) :popcornsoda:
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On the AR tuned website there is no mention of Remap for for ED30, its only if you click MK6 that you then see the K04 engined cars map and thats priced at £699, copied from the site
ROW Vehicle Application Guide
Model
Engine
Drivetrain
Transmission
Price
Audi S3
2.0T FSI 195kW
Quattro
6MT & S-Tronic
£699
Audi TT-S
2.0T FSI 200kW
Quattro
6MT & S-Tronic
£699
VW Golf Edition 30
2.0T FSI
6MT & DSG
£699
VW Scirocco R
2.0T FSI 200kW
FWD
6MT & DSG
£699
SEAT León Cupra R
2.0T FSI 195kW
FWD
6MT & DSG
£699
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have you a link?
theyre are the wrong prices, only stuff like S6/R8 go for that money etc
Probably because they have two ECUs . . . :P
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Link below
http://www.aprtuned.co.uk/products/ecu_upgrade_20tfsi_trans_265hp.htm
If you scroll down half way you will see it says 2.0T FSI and names all the KO4 cars (as in prev post)
There is no heading under the MK5 section for K04 cars, only std 200ps GTI.
May want to add a link on the site for K04 cars under MK5 and price correctly (if its wrong), i thought it was priced steep
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So its still £499 plus VAT or £599 inc VAT, still seems pricey to me especcially as APR are making a come back, you would think they would price more in line with others (or lower) to entice customers back?, or am I completely wrong :confused:
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But thats still £180 more than Jabbasport, £200 more than R-Tech and £200 more than shark performance?, what does the extra £180-200 provide over competitors as I already know Revo are overpriced :P
Looking at sales bumf it looks like they all have similar claims.
Sorry to bang on but im trying to justify to myself (and others possibly) the extra £180-200 over similar software, or are we really just paying for an american "Guy" to eat more burgers and buy a bigger RV?
As it stands software and claims look good but price, no no no
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So what your saying is if i was to buy stage 1 (£499+VAT) and then 3-6 months later come back having added TBE exhaust, Twintake and HPFP you would upgrade to stage 2 FOC?, does this include rolling road or just plug and off u go as I understand that most cars are different and extra tweaks here and there are carried out or is stage 2 a boggo std map to cover ll options?
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Remember there is also a FREE 6 hours trial on APR remaps, plug in and go for 6 hours of driving time, who else offers that?
Revo offer a 5 hour trial, but its apparently 80% of the full remap power!
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Remember there is also a FREE 6 hours trial on APR remaps, plug in and go for 6 hours of driving time, who else offers that?
I am not going to take a free trial for 6 hours as afterwards my car will feel deadly slow :sad1:, until I stop plowing money into other things and start funding mods I shall stay std, then perhaps when I have the funds I may take up the offer of free trial, if I like it well who knows........
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But thats still £180 more than Jabbasport, £200 more than R-Tech and £200 more than shark performance?, what does the extra £180-200 provide over competitors as I already know Revo are overpriced :P
Looking at sales bumf it looks like they all have similar claims.
Sorry to bang on but im trying to justify to myself (and others possibly) the extra £180-200 over similar software, or are we really just paying for an american "Guy" to eat more burgers and buy a bigger RV?
As it stands software and claims look good but price, no no no
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What a sooooper comment - love it! :drinking:
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APR spend a lot of money on research, hence why they are usually the first to release code and full turbo kits for new models while the competitors are still trying to get around the encryption!
Ahhhh . . . the UK version of Superchips then - first to the market - but full of bugs in the code!
The best staff in the business cost money,
And what proof do you have that they are employed by APR???? Zilch!
what you are getting with APR is a code that you know has been fully researched, tested and is in safe tolerances of your engine, APR pride themselves on retaining hardware protection on their code so its good for the street and good for the track if you do so.
And so do all the other tuners - they all make the same claims. Trouble is with the yankie APR code - they have completely different fuel to UK or EU spec fuels, and more importantly, ALL North American ECUs have lean-burn mode disabled. So how the heck can they claim it is safe in - quote - "your engine"??????
Who else offers switchability through cruise control at no extra charge? you can have several maps, security lockout, valet mode, anti theft and TBE all through your cruise, most mapping companies cant offer these extra functions let alone through the cruise stalk, so no switching unit to buy.
O-rlly - that's quite an arrogant statement! What about Revo? What about GIAC?
Remember, there is more than one way to skin a rabbit - what about cars which do NOT have C/C ???? Oh, sorry, this is a yankie product where they automatically assume that every car everywhere else in the world follows the yankie spec! :stupid:
Also all stage 2 upgrades on maps are free of charge, no £50/100 to upgrade your map, free of charge :)
Personally, I'd rather pay an additional £50 for an upgrade from a UK based company, with UK based R&D, which was developed on UK specification cars, using UK specification fuels, on UK specification tarmac, operating in UK weather conditions - - - - rather than some burger munching bod who probably thinks he can 'do' a full tour of the UK in a three day hire car rental. :stupid:
But that is just my opinion, mind you! :smiley:
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Remember there is also a FREE 6 hours trial on APR remaps, plug in and go for 6 hours of driving time, who else offers that?
Erm . . . . REVO. Oh, sorry, how silly of me - - - REVO offer only FIVE hours free trial - so probably in your eyes, that doesn't count! :stupid:
And I'd probably guess that virtually ALL other remapers would offer a similar trial period - but hey - APRs is 6hrs . . . :indifferent:
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I can fully understand APR coming back to the party as its a large market for them to share at (especcially as lots jumped to Revo and are now thinking of jumping back), and i do understand UK pricing structures compared to USA pricing, but lets be honest US trade price plus a $ per pound/kilo shipping does not add up to UK prices being what they are (A re-map weighs nothing :happy2:), although again I suppose we should be used to it by now in the UK :booty:
As I said, I've added in duty, shipping, UK ops cost and margin for the dealer network and that's where the pricing came to. The remaps are the same price as other major brands in the UK.
disagree with the warranty side of things on imports and to call them "Grey Imports" does not sound right after all we live in a world economy and with the internet thats the way it works, if an APR product fails the last thing APR need is bad press about refusing to honour a warranty on a product (Wherever it was bought), i thought warranties were on the product itself, not its location?
Unfortunately, that's not how it works. I wish it could. Our importers are responsible for complete brand development in their markets. They are responsible for customer service, marketing, warehousing, some product development, dealer training, dealer support, etc. All of these business operations have expense. If you buy an APR part from somewhere other than through the Authorized Importer, you can't expect them to assume the burden of providing support.
For example, if you buy an APR HPFP in the grey market but have an issue, you can't expect the local APR Importer to even answer your call much less bring your car to an APR dealer and expect any kind of support i.e. diagnosis, etc.
If you bought from an APR Dealer in your area, you can expect to talk them at length about what the issue is and expect them to provide a complete resolution at no cost to you.
Imagine this, you are a small business in a local town. You sell and promote the APR brand. You go to local shows, develop local marketing, provide great customer service, etc. One day a client that has been to see you often and you've given great service to, even fixed small things on their engine FOC like a rotting vacuum line or whatnot, shows up with APR products for install that were purchased some place else. You install the product but APR made a mistake and something doesn't fit as it should. What should you do? Spend your time and money working with APR to correct the issue or charge the client for the work you did and send him on his way without his APR product installed?
Look at it on APR's end. If the APR dealer calls APR for support and APR says, on this particular car you need an extra part that the client didn't order, we thought you knew that. The dealer then says, yeah, but he didn't buy it from me. Then comes and tells you you didn't buy the extra part and you need to spend more money. You are going to be upset and APR is more than likely just going to give you the extra part. This costs APR money and the dealer his time and money who is more than likely going to install the extra part FOC.
We have experts in local markets because they are experts. Expertise deserves compensation.
.S. im not a hater of APR or ANY otheer tuner in fact my brother had APR on his 1.8T and was happy with it, I just wish that some of the pricing structures would be a tad more "realistic", maybe its the usual case of "Paying for the name"?
£499 Stg 1 remap seems fair enough for a MK5 GTI but £699 for an ED30/S3?? :ashamed:
Both Stage 1 remaps for the GTI and ED30 or S3 are 499GBP. There must be a pricing mistake where you looked. Sorry for that!
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699 is daft money. Youd have thought with the likes of R-tech creating great software for ~£300 that the big guns would reduce their pricing.
Its only 499GBP.
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On the AR tuned website there is no mention of Remap for for ED30, its only if you click MK6 that you then see the K04 engined cars map and thats priced at £699, copied from the site
ROW Vehicle Application Guide
Model
Engine
Drivetrain
Transmission
Price
Audi S3
2.0T FSI 195kW
Quattro
6MT & S-Tronic
£699
Audi TT-S
2.0T FSI 200kW
Quattro
6MT & S-Tronic
£699
VW Golf Edition 30
2.0T FSI
6MT & DSG
£699
VW Scirocco R
2.0T FSI 200kW
FWD
6MT & DSG
£699
SEAT León Cupra R
2.0T FSI 195kW
FWD
6MT & DSG
£699
APR UK's official website is www.goapr.co.uk but its under construction still.
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But thats still £180 more than Jabbasport, £200 more than R-Tech and £200 more than shark performance?, what does the extra £180-200 provide over competitors as I already know Revo are overpriced :P
Looking at sales bumf it looks like they all have similar claims.
Sorry to bang on but im trying to justify to myself (and others possibly) the extra £180-200 over similar software, or are we really just paying for an american "Guy" to eat more burgers and buy a bigger RV?
As it stands software and claims look good but price, no no no
I do like burgers. mmmmmmmmm, burgers.
RV'ing, not so much.
In reality you are paying for a team of 15+ engineers, the best customer support, features, options and, in the case of the factory ko4 cars, performance that no one else offers.
Left foot braking is an example of features that I know of nobody currently offering. This means you can be on the throttle and brake pedal at the same time without the ECU closing the throttle plate. This is very important for circuit driving.
You also get free updates/upgrades until you change the turbocharger. If you buy Stage 1 you never have to pay anything additional for Stage 1+, Stage 2, Stage 2+, etc. This alone makes us nearly the least expensive option available. If you go from Stage 1 to Stage 2+ and each step along the way, you'll save 100-200GBP by going APR.
Remember our remaps are offered as fully loaded. That means you get 4 calibrations, a fault code erase feature, security lockout feature and anti-theft feature. There is a marked difference in how our remaps perform as verified by every single client that has tried more than one remap in the UK thus far since I've been here.
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APR spend a lot of money on research, hence why they are usually the first to release code and full turbo kits for new models while the competitors are still trying to get around the encryption!
Ahhhh . . . the UK version of Superchips then - first to the market - but full of bugs in the code!
Obviously we are not perfect, but full of bugs? No sir, not by a long shot. We are generally first to market because we are the only major tuner that does all flashing technology development in house. This allows us to control our own destiny without having to wait for a 3rd party vendor to make the ability to flash the ECU's available to us.
The best staff in the business cost money,
And what proof do you have that they are employed by APR???? Zilch!
What proof would you like to see? I can produce paycheck stubs. Which APR employees would you like to verify?
As for myself, I am the Vice President of APR, LLC (USA) and the Director of APR Motorsport, LTD (UK). I receive my paycheck from APR, LLC.
Greg, customer service manager at APR Motorsport, LTD, and Andy, technician extraordinaire, are employed by APR Motorsport, LTD and receive their paychecks from there.
Jyrki, the APR calibration expert assigned to APR Motorsport, LTD, receives his paycheck from APR, LLC and is employed there.
APR Motorsport, LTD is a wholly owned subsidiary of APR, LLC. If you would like, I can post the Companies House documents listing APR, LLC as the sole shareholder in APR Motorsport, LTD. I imagine this is public record but if not, I don't mind sharing.
what you are getting with APR is a code that you know has been fully researched, tested and is in safe tolerances of your engine, APR pride themselves on retaining hardware protection on their code so its good for the street and good for the track if you do so.
And so do all the other tuners - they all make the same claims.
Claims, yes but a short amount of time spent researching their facilities and available equipment contained therein will shed some light on the difference between those who speak truth and those who make "claims".
Trouble is with the yankie APR code - they have completely different fuel to UK or EU spec fuels,
Sorry, but this is completely incorrect. The fuel quality is very comparable but the rating system is different. This is easily verified with the petrol companies about.
Research Octane Number (RON)
The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the Research Octane Number (RON). RON is determined by running the fuel in a test engine with a variable compression ratio under controlled conditions, and comparing the results with those for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
[edit]Motor Octane Number (MON)
There is another type of octane rating, called Motor Octane Number (MON), or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load, as it is determined at 900 rpm engine speed, instead of the 600 rpm for RON.[1] MON testing uses a similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing to further stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON, however there is no direct link between RON and MON. Normally, fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating)
Your 97 or 98 Ron is almost identical to the USA's 93 octane. They are just rated differently.
But alas, that has no bearing on further discussion as since 2005 we've been travelling the world developing calibrations and certifying they work in at least all of the major markets throughout. Currently, and for the foreseeable future, all remaps sold in the UK are certified, developed and tested in the UK by APR Motorsport, LTD prior to release to the public.
and more importantly, ALL North American ECUs have lean-burn mode disabled. So how the heck can they claim it is safe in - quote - "your engine"??????
Perhaps you have confused something with the way VW Group released "lean burn" and how its been available and operated in the field. Please allow me to clarify......
Only the AXX 2.0T FSI engine was released by VW in any 2.0T FSI VW Group vehicle that concerns APR's product line as "lean burn". The AXX engine only operated as "lean burn" in the field anywhere in the world for approximately 1 year upon release. All AXX's were ordered to be updated with new ECU software that removes "lean burn" operation.
Therefore, "lean burn" was only applicable for ~2005 model year 2.0T FSI VW Group cars as sold in the UK with the engine code of AXX. In ~2006 all AXX engines with "lean burn" enabled were updated with new OEM software for the ECU by VW Group dealerships that removed the "lean burn" operating mode. The only way you can have a "lean burn" 2.0T FSI VW Group engine in the UK is if you bought a AXX 2.0T FSI engine and never took it to a VW Group dealership after 2005.
And FWIW, we calibrated all of our ECU products applicable to the AXX in the UK.
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Who else offers switchability through cruise control at no extra charge? you can have several maps, security lockout, valet mode, anti theft and TBE all through your cruise, most mapping companies cant offer these extra functions let alone through the cruise stalk, so no switching unit to buy.
O-rlly - that's quite an arrogant statement! What about Revo? What about GIAC?
Remember, there is more than one way to skin a rabbit - what about cars which do NOT have C/C ???? Oh, sorry, this is a yankie product where they automatically assume that every car everywhere else in the world follows the yankie spec! :stupid:
I think Ade meant we are the only one that offers it through the CC without need for clumsy external devices to keep track of and hope you remembered to take out of your car before you went to the dealership.
And that we offer it included in the price of 499GBP whereas others offer program switching IN ADDITION to their single remap price, usually an additional 150GBP or more.
For those that don't have a car equipped with Cruise Control, you can spend the 150GBP we save you in price over the competition to have that CC retrofitted and get program switching and the convenience of a cruise control adding even more value for those that go APR.
Also all stage 2 upgrades on maps are free of charge, no £50/100 to upgrade your map, free of charge :)
Personally, I'd rather pay an additional £50 for an upgrade from a UK based company, with UK based R&D, which was developed on UK specification cars, using UK specification fuels, on UK specification tarmac, operating in UK weather conditions
Then why do you buy GERMAN CARS? Following that logic, shouldn't you be on the Vauxhall forums? :wink:
But, as stated above, all APR products sold in the UK are developed, certified and tested by APR Motorsport, LTD prior to release which happens to be on UK tarmac, with UK spec cars, UK fuel, UK weather conditions, blah, blah, so on and so forth.
- - - - rather than some burger munching bod who probably thinks he can 'do' a full tour of the UK in a three day hire car rental. :stupid:
But that is just my opinion, mind you! :smiley:
Well as stated, I do like burgers.
and I've been living here since September so I've seen a bit more now. I also spent over 2 months in the UK on different trips prior to moving here.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any further questions or comments I can help clear up. :drinking:
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Touche! :signLOL:
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Where is APRs contribution to the VAG Babes thread? :popcornsoda:
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APR spend a lot of money on research, hence why they are usually the first to release code and full turbo kits for new models while the competitors are still trying to get around the encryption!
Ahhhh . . . the UK version of Superchips then - first to the market - but full of bugs in the code!
Obviously we are not perfect, but full of bugs? No sir, not by a long shot. We are generally first to market because we are the only major tuner that does all flashing technology development in house. This allows us to control our own destiny without having to wait for a 3rd party vendor to make the ability to flash the ECU's available to us.
The best staff in the business cost money,
And what proof do you have that they are employed by APR???? Zilch!
What proof would you like to see? I can produce paycheck stubs. Which APR employees would you like to verify?
As for myself, I am the Vice President of APR, LLC (USA) and the Director of APR Motorsport, LTD (UK). I receive my paycheck from APR, LLC.
Greg, customer service manager at APR Motorsport, LTD, and Andy, technician extraordinaire, are employed by APR Motorsport, LTD and receive their paychecks from there.
Jyrki, the APR calibration expert assigned to APR Motorsport, LTD, receives his paycheck from APR, LLC and is employed there.
APR Motorsport, LTD is a wholly owned subsidiary of APR, LLC. If you would like, I can post the Companies House documents listing APR, LLC as the sole shareholder in APR Motorsport, LTD. I imagine this is public record but if not, I don't mind sharing.
what you are getting with APR is a code that you know has been fully researched, tested and is in safe tolerances of your engine, APR pride themselves on retaining hardware protection on their code so its good for the street and good for the track if you do so.
And so do all the other tuners - they all make the same claims.
Claims, yes but a short amount of time spent researching their facilities and available equipment contained therein will shed some light on the difference between those who speak truth and those who make "claims".
Trouble is with the yankie APR code - they have completely different fuel to UK or EU spec fuels,
Sorry, but this is completely incorrect. The fuel quality is very comparable but the rating system is different. This is easily verified with the petrol companies about.
Research Octane Number (RON)
The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the Research Octane Number (RON). RON is determined by running the fuel in a test engine with a variable compression ratio under controlled conditions, and comparing the results with those for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
[edit]Motor Octane Number (MON)
There is another type of octane rating, called Motor Octane Number (MON), or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load, as it is determined at 900 rpm engine speed, instead of the 600 rpm for RON.[1] MON testing uses a similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing to further stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON, however there is no direct link between RON and MON. Normally, fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating)
Your 97 or 98 Ron is almost identical to the USA's 93 octane. They are just rated differently.
But alas, that has no bearing on further discussion as since 2005 we've been travelling the world developing calibrations and certifying they work in at least all of the major markets throughout. Currently, and for the foreseeable future, all remaps sold in the UK are certified, developed and tested in the UK by APR Motorsport, LTD prior to release to the public.
and more importantly, ALL North American ECUs have lean-burn mode disabled. So how the heck can they claim it is safe in - quote - "your engine"??????
Perhaps you have confused something with the way VW Group released "lean burn" and how its been available and operated in the field. Please allow me to clarify......
Only the AXX 2.0T FSI engine was released by VW in any 2.0T FSI VW Group vehicle that concerns APR's product line as "lean burn". The AXX engine only operated as "lean burn" in the field anywhere in the world for approximately 1 year upon release. All AXX's were ordered to be updated with new ECU software that removes "lean burn" operation.
Therefore, "lean burn" was only applicable for ~2005 model year 2.0T FSI VW Group cars as sold in the UK with the engine code of AXX. In ~2006 all AXX engines with "lean burn" enabled were updated with new OEM software for the ECU by VW Group dealerships that removed the "lean burn" operating mode. The only way you can have a "lean burn" 2.0T FSI VW Group engine in the UK is if you bought a AXX 2.0T FSI engine and never took it to a VW Group dealership after 2005.
And FWIW, we calibrated all of our ECU products applicable to the AXX in the UK.
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Who else offers switchability through cruise control at no extra charge? you can have several maps, security lockout, valet mode, anti theft and TBE all through your cruise, most mapping companies cant offer these extra functions let alone through the cruise stalk, so no switching unit to buy.
O-rlly - that's quite an arrogant statement! What about Revo? What about GIAC?
Remember, there is more than one way to skin a rabbit - what about cars which do NOT have C/C ???? Oh, sorry, this is a yankie product where they automatically assume that every car everywhere else in the world follows the yankie spec! :stupid:
I think Ade meant we are the only one that offers it through the CC without need for clumsy external devices to keep track of and hope you remembered to take out of your car before you went to the dealership.
And that we offer it included in the price of 499GBP whereas others offer program switching IN ADDITION to their single remap price, usually an additional 150GBP or more.
For those that don't have a car equipped with Cruise Control, you can spend the 150GBP we save you in price over the competition to have that CC retrofitted and get program switching and the convenience of a cruise control adding even more value for those that go APR.
Also all stage 2 upgrades on maps are free of charge, no £50/100 to upgrade your map, free of charge :)
Personally, I'd rather pay an additional £50 for an upgrade from a UK based company, with UK based R&D, which was developed on UK specification cars, using UK specification fuels, on UK specification tarmac, operating in UK weather conditions
Then why do you buy GERMAN CARS? Following that logic, shouldn't you be on the Vauxhall forums? :wink:
But, as stated above, all APR products sold in the UK are developed, certified and tested by APR Motorsport, LTD prior to release which happens to be on UK tarmac, with UK spec cars, UK fuel, UK weather conditions, blah, blah, so on and so forth.
- - - - rather than some burger munching bod who probably thinks he can 'do' a full tour of the UK in a three day hire car rental. :stupid:
But that is just my opinion, mind you! :smiley:
Well as stated, I do like burgers.
and I've been living here since September so I've seen a bit more now. I also spent over 2 months in the UK on different trips prior to moving here.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any further questions or comments I can help clear up. :drinking:
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Ladyboy :laugh: :evilgrin:
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In the spirit of brand competitiveness;
Where is APRs contribution to the VAG Babes thread? :popcornsoda:
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Sorry, we've never been the best at the car model thing.
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Sorry, we've never been the best at the car model thing.
Was it just me that thought those long objects would have been put elsewhere??? :innocent: :evilgrin:
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Will be interesting to see what Mike achieves on the dyno :popcornsoda:
I think everyone is arguing about remaps no one has even tried yet.
Theres a place down the road from me where I can get my car remapped for £200, and he hasnt got one bad review from anyone at all, and does Ed30's, and everyone raves about his remaps.
After I've had my engine rebuilt which started drinking silly amounts of oil for no apparent reason, would I use him? No I paid 3 times the price and went to Revo, a large company whom I would have thought would have a safer map for my engine, which has had more development and testing etc (which now has the engine light on for the same fault I had last year with Revo :sad1:)
Would I be prepared to drive to the other end of the country to go to Jabba or RTech....no
So at the end of the day, its down to each individual of how much money they are wanting to pay, and individual circumstances really
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Why was Lean Burn disabled? And have you any plans for a dealer in Ireland? I would be interested to try your map and compare it to my current one.
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Will be interesting to see what Mike achieves on the dyno :popcornsoda:
I think everyone is arguing about remaps no one has even tried yet.
Theres a place down the road from me where I can get my car remapped for £200, and he hasnt got one bad review from anyone at all, and does Ed30's, and everyone raves about his remaps.
After I've had my engine rebuilt which started drinking silly amounts of oil for no apparent reason, would I use him? No I paid 3 times the price and went to Revo, a large company whom I would have thought would have a safer map for my engine, which has had more development and testing etc (which now has the engine light on for the same fault I had last year with Revo :sad1:)
Would I be prepared to drive to the other end of the country to go to Jabba or RTech....no
So at the end of the day, its down to each individual of how much money they are wanting to pay, and individual circumstances really
Hopefully on the Dyno Wed.
Before the BCS system and again after fitting.
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I take it you dont out of the garage much. :chicken:
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Keep hearing £499, but as most people pay VAT its £599 :happy2:
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LOL in all honesty she doesnt look bad here: http://www.goapr.com/media/photos/72157625998122383/5471774595/Original/
like porcelain! :)
Must have higher standards than some folks, ones Minging and the other is ok :happy2:
With regards to pricing maybe APR will drop the prices again like they did in 2010, seem to remember £299 for a 1.8T and £350 for 2.0T and those prices included VAT?
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Bit of a tangent question for Keith but does your upgrade K03 to K04 map utilise any of the tweaking/coding that you're now using in the K04 2+ Version 3 software?
Could you answer this question please Keith
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Bit of a tangent question for Keith but does your upgrade K03 to K04 map utilise any of the tweaking/coding that you're now using in the K04 2+ Version 3 software?
Could you answer this question please Keith
Oh, sorry man!
No, we have to develop it. Its on the schedule! Could use a car with the right mods and close to MK to help speed it up. Which by the way, you seem to have. :wink:
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Why was Lean Burn disabled? And have you any plans for a dealer in Ireland? I would be interested to try your map and compare it to my current one.
There was never an official statement from VW as to why. They kinda just did it without making it public.
The rumors I've heard that are supposed to have come from Wolfsburg revolve around emissions problems and too high of a failure rate in the field.
I would like very much to have a dealer in Ireland. Do you know any good places you could recommend?
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Bit of a tangent question for Keith but does your upgrade K03 to K04 map utilise any of the tweaking/coding that you're now using in the K04 2+ Version 3 software?
Could you answer this question please Keith
Oh, sorry man!
No, we have to develop it. Its on the schedule! Could use a car with the right mods and close to MK to help speed it up. Which by the way, you seem to have. :wink:
Lol. Do you think the K04 still suffers from compressor surge. Is that one of the reasons I believe you backed of the boost a little in the rev range resulting in some strange RR graphs on your original calibration of any K04 equipped car.
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How would surge manifest itself? Sound of fluttering on WOT?
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Just to mention Keith, my car is an AXX engine so even though the lean burn part my be turned off, us AXX engine boys and girl run a different piston crown to the later engines. Would this affect calibration?
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Bit of a tangent question for Keith but does your upgrade K03 to K04 map utilise any of the tweaking/coding that you're now using in the K04 2+ Version 3 software?
Could you answer this question please Keith
Oh, sorry man!
No, we have to develop it. Its on the schedule! Could use a car with the right mods and close to MK to help speed it up. Which by the way, you seem to have. :wink:
Lol. Do you think the K04 still suffers from compressor surge. Is that one of the reasons I believe you backed of the boost a little in the rev range resulting in some strange RR graphs on your original calibration of any K04 equipped car.
No problems with surge.
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Just to mention Keith, my car is an AXX engine so even though the lean burn part my be turned off, us AXX engine boys and girl run a different piston crown to the later engines. Would this affect calibration?
We offer specific calibrations for AXX engines. The crowned pistons are good as they help eliminate some of the unburnt fuel that other engine codes suffer from with long injector on time durations.
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How would surge manifest itself? Sound of fluttering on WOT?
Sort of but you are not experiencing surge. The sound you are hearing is normal.
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Bit of a tangent question for Keith but does your upgrade K03 to K04 map utilise any of the tweaking/coding that you're now using in the K04 2+ Version 3 software?
Could you answer this question please Keith
Oh, sorry man!
No, we have to develop it. Its on the schedule! Could use a car with the right mods and close to MK to help speed it up. Which by the way, you seem to have. :wink:
Lol. Do you think the K04 still suffers from compressor surge. Is that one of the reasons I believe you backed of the boost a little in the rev range resulting in some strange RR graphs on your original calibration of any K04 equipped car.
No problems with surge.
But that was one of the reasons APR gave because of your lower than (insert rival) BHP, Also where have all the other APR threads gone or is it just me :smiley:
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Bit of a tangent question for Keith but does your upgrade K03 to K04 map utilise any of the tweaking/coding that you're now using in the K04 2+ Version 3 software?
Could you answer this question please Keith
Oh, sorry man!
No, we have to develop it. Its on the schedule! Could use a car with the right mods and close to MK to help speed it up. Which by the way, you seem to have. :wink:
Lol. Do you think the K04 still suffers from compressor surge. Is that one of the reasons I believe you backed of the boost a little in the rev range resulting in some strange RR graphs on your original calibration of any K04 equipped car.
No problems with surge.
But that was one of the reasons APR gave because of your lower than (insert rival) BHP, Also where have all the other APR threads gone or is it just me :smiley:
Yeah, I know. I think you'll find APR UK is able to get some things not on the standard menu.
I'll have more info about the different kinds of calibrations APR UK offers in the upcoming weeks.
V3.0 for 2.0T FSI ko4 engines and something called LP3 for 2.0 TSI ko3 engines are examples of the first products that will be new from APR, specifically for certains markets outside of 'merica.
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Thats good, but are you saying that if you offered this TFSI K04 map that your offering to the UK market to the USA market, they could suffer from surge, or was the compessor surge thing a bit of scare tactics?
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Thats good, but are you saying that if you offered this TFSI K04 map that your offering to the UK market to the USA market, they could suffer from surge, or was the compessor surge thing a bit of scare tactics?
I'll explain this in the upcoming weeks.
But yes, some of the products available in the UK may or may not be made available in the USA or other markets.
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Thats good, but are you saying that if you offered this TFSI K04 map that your offering to the UK market to the USA market, they could suffer from surge, or was the compessor surge thing a bit of scare tactics?
I'll explain this in the upcoming weeks.
But yes, some of the products available in the UK may or may not be made available in the USA or other markets.
Sounds good, thanks for your replies. :happy2: I do think all the APR threads that was on this site sould still be made available, not sure why you or the administrators would want them removed.
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Thats good, but are you saying that if you offered this TFSI K04 map that your offering to the UK market to the USA market, they could suffer from surge, or was the compessor surge thing a bit of scare tactics?
I'll explain this in the upcoming weeks.
But yes, some of the products available in the UK may or may not be made available in the USA or other markets.
Sounds good, thanks for your replies. :happy2: I do think all the APR threads that was on this site sould still be made available, not sure why you or the administrators would want them removed.
For me, censorship arouses suspicion.
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^^^ All the post where old and are not relevant to the new APR presence in the UK :happy2:
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gotta agree with ukdub here.
unless we have space issues , it should remain in sub folder
by that measure my 'old' review has to go too :surprised:
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If I put my conspiracy hat on, I could say that someone got a great deal, maybe even a free APR stage III kit if old posts somehow disappeared :P
I've not got my conspiracy hat on though, but it does look suspicious none the less :smiley:
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^^^ I was wondering how long that would take :stupid:
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^^^ I was wondering how long that would take :stupid:
Guilty conscience? :signLOL:
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Nope I can 100% say I don't have a guilty conscience (or a free APR Stage 3 kit) :smiley:
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Wow what an amazing coincidence then. :wink: Have my apologies that I thought it suspicious that all the old APR threads have been deleted and an administrator gets an APR stage III kit.
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Right lads lets put it this way!
Remember my 2.0TFSI mini meet with the jabba 2.0TFSI K04 and the MRC Golf R?
Well they are both going APR now after seeing the APR demo car in action. Must be a good reason why they would want to spend twice on a map :wink:
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Right lads lets put it this way!
Remember my 2.0TFSI mini meet with the jabba 2.0TFSI K04 and the MRC Golf R?
Well they are both going APR now after seeing the APR demo car in action. Must be a good reason why they would want to spend twice on a map :wink:
Suckers???
Believe everything the read on tinternet???
More money than sense???
Have to have the biggest willy on dyno days???
:evilgrin:
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Right lads lets put it this way!
Remember my 2.0TFSI mini meet with the jabba 2.0TFSI K04 and the MRC Golf R?
Well they are both going APR now after seeing the APR demo car in action. Must be a good reason why they would want to spend twice on a map :wink:
I guess APR pay more to endorse their product :P
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In all seriousness, APR is a good product. I run their hardware and when I had their software I had no problems what so ever in 80k (K03 stage 2+). But I believe the average person who hasn't got APR or REVO related products will look at this thread and see it for what it is. Nothing more than the APR marketing machine doing its thing. :happy2: I've been in this game long enough to see what's going on lol :smiley:
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In all seriousness, APR is a good product. I run their hardware and when I had their software I had no problems what so ever in 80k (K03 stage 2+). But I believe the average person who hasn't got APR or REVO related products will look at this thread and see it for what it is. Nothing more than the APR marketing machine doing its thing. :happy2: I've been in this game long enough to see what's going on lol :smiley:
Is that a bad thing? I see this as no more than a repost to the Awesome posts when they ran the amnesty, which made me sick to read. :sick:
I also think a little competitiveness in the UK tuner scene is a good thing provided there is no bitchiness. :signLOL:
Without wishing to sound biased but APR are here to stay and are doing their best to make their mark.
Good luck to them I say. :happy2:
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But I believe the average person who hasn't got APR or REVO related products will look at this thread and see it for what it is. Nothing more than the APR marketing machine doing its thing. :happy2: I've been in this game long enough to see what's going on lol :smiley:
You are probably correct :smiley: . I have been pondering how this thread fits in with the forum ethos for a couple of days now. It seems the APR reinvention is quite a big thing on the engine mapping front for VW's so it is in everyone's interest to let this thread run it's course and lets see what happens to their fortunes. Most people with a brain can see what is what, in this thread, and once it dies down Keith (APR) and PSI tuning will only be allowed to post in the same way PDT and BDM post, that is advertising in their sigs only and all other posts, just helping out with their tuning knowledge and shedding light on members problems. Like Revo or any engine tuner, there will be plenty of members telling us that the map they have is the best in the world. :happy2:
In regards to your questioning SteveP's integrity. He could if he wanted to, build the best spec Mk 5 in the world 10 times over if he was inclined to use this forum for his own devices. In the 4 years i have known him i can categorically state that he does not use this forum for personal gain and he is one of the most helpful genuine human beings i have met in my not so short life. :happy2:
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Well said TC. :notworthy:
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Like I said I have never had a problem with APR products. The deleting of APR old threads just stinks and comes across as being bought out by a big VAG tuning house. Especially as one of the administrators is now going APR stage III. They still are the same company selling the same products
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Hopefully on the Dyno Wed.
Before the BCS system and again after fitting.
Hey Mike, any news on the RR results yet? :smiley:
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Hopefully on the Dyno Wed.
Before the BCS system and again after fitting.
Hey Mike, any news on the RR results yet? :smiley:
On my build thread buddy :happy2:
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Nice one mate! :grin: Still getting used to this site as I NEVER use it! :confused:
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In all seriousness, APR is a good product. I run their hardware and when I had their software I had no problems what so ever in 80k (K03 stage 2+). But I believe the average person who hasn't got APR or REVO related products will look at this thread and see it for what it is. Nothing more than the APR marketing machine doing its thing. :happy2: I've been in this game long enough to see what's going on lol :smiley:
Hey man! Are you going to let me apply some of that marketing to your car so we can make this new Ko4 conversion file? :smiley:
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In all seriousness, APR is a good product. I run their hardware and when I had their software I had no problems what so ever in 80k (K03 stage 2+). But I believe the average person who hasn't got APR or REVO related products will look at this thread and see it for what it is. Nothing more than the APR marketing machine doing its thing. :happy2: I've been in this game long enough to see what's going on lol :smiley:
Hey man! Are you going to let me apply some of that marketing to your car so we can make this new Ko4 conversion file? :smiley:
Thanks for the offer Keith, but I will have to decline. The risk to me is software that may not be as good as I have now, plus my local and prefered tuner (biggest deciding factor) doesn't support APR. :happy2:
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In all seriousness, APR is a good product. I run their hardware and when I had their software I had no problems what so ever in 80k (K03 stage 2+). But I believe the average person who hasn't got APR or REVO related products will look at this thread and see it for what it is. Nothing more than the APR marketing machine doing its thing. :happy2: I've been in this game long enough to see what's going on lol :smiley:
Hey man! Are you going to let me apply some of that marketing to your car so we can make this new Ko4 conversion file? :smiley:
Thanks for the offer Keith, but I will have to decline. The risk to me is software that may not be as good as I have now, plus my local and prefered tuner (biggest deciding factor) doesn't support APR. :happy2:
No worries, thanks for considering it. :smiley:
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In all seriousness, APR is a good product. I run their hardware and when I had their software I had no problems what so ever in 80k (K03 stage 2+). But I believe the average person who hasn't got APR or REVO related products will look at this thread and see it for what it is. Nothing more than the APR marketing machine doing its thing. :happy2: I've been in this game long enough to see what's going on lol :smiley:
Hey man! Are you going to let me apply some of that marketing to your car so we can make this new Ko4 conversion file? :smiley:
Thanks for the offer Keith, but I will have to decline. The risk to me is software that may not be as good as I have now, plus my local and prefered tuner (biggest deciding factor) doesn't support APR. :happy2:
No worries, thanks for considering it. :smiley:
Ive also got a Skoda VRS 1.4 TSI so, who knows in the future. :happy2:
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Mine will have APR on it from Saturday so your welcome to try mine :happy2:
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Mine will have APR on it from Saturday so your welcome to try mine :happy2:
Mines totally standard, but wouldnt mind anyway. I don't/didn't have any plans of throwing money at the skoda but........... aarrrgh :laugh:
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To Keith. Are you going to offer V tune on the MK5/6 platform? :happy2:
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What's a V Tune?
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Looks like a Revo sps time thing
http://www.goapr.com/products/vtune.html
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Well, im inclined to agree with Poverty.
This car easily has a low 12 second 1/4mile time.
Keith left the Racelogic performance box in the car so we went and tried a 0-60.
0-60 in 4.1seconds :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
But that was from a carriageway layby with lock on the wheel to get out! But most importantly that was with 3 people and full leathger interior. And Mike will back me up, it was a slight incline as well.
This car has a sub 4second 0-60 sprint im 100% certain of it.
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Not to sure of the paint work though. Draws a fair amount of unwanted attention :sad1:
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At least it's been washed :laugh: :laugh:
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Might not get as many looks if it was really dirty lol
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Not to sure of the paint work though. Draws a fair amount of unwanted attention :sad1:
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If that were mine, all that crap would be peeled off and I would leave it plain white, better looking and much less conspicous :P
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I would to. The looks i was getting on the way up the M1 :ashamed: :ashamed:
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You should be used to that with the homomobile :grin: :grin:
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Same looks, different car. I see a theme here. :wink:
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I can deal with the admiring looks at dogging sites, but not in the normal areas lol
This cars going to get me so much action at my local layby. The doggers love new meat
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I have to say, it does look like they let Benny Lenny loose with the vinyl, but it is infinitely better on the eye than the Golf cart. :drool: just my opinion o fcourse. :wink: :popcornsoda:
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:grin: :grin:
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How dare you :grin:
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How dare you :grin:
Thats just what i was thinking about your comments on the R. :signLOL:
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Have say I retract all previous comments about prefering a rocco R to the Golf R. This car is fantastic.
Not sure what exhaust it has, but its so quiet on a cruise but awesome on WOT. Almost like there's a valve in the system. Then the AST coilovers have an awesome ride quality. The dsg feels quicker than mine as well
Big big fan of this car.
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Only because you can get more blokes in it. :P
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:signLOL:
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:grin: :grin:
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Have say I retract all previous comments about prefering a rocco R to the Golf R. This car is fantastic.
Not sure what exhaust it has, but its so quiet on a cruise but awesome on WOT. Almost like there's a valve in the system. Then the AST coilovers have an awesome ride quality. The dsg feels quicker than mine as well
Big big fan of this car.
Glad you enjoy it!
Its a VWR exhaust with a flapper valve, it opens at about 3900 RPM's.
The DSG is quicker because on the Golf R it seems to adapt very quickly and it get's beat on a lot.
Drive it normal for 100 miles and it really gets slow and sloppy.
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To Keith. Are you going to offer V tune on the MK5/6 platform? :happy2:
More than likely not, we have something cooler in the works but I don't know how much end user customization will be available just yet.
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So basically, the new software asks for loads more boost than revo stage 2+, makes around 10bhp less and gives an extra 20lb/ft of torque :popcornsoda:
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I reckon tjiscar would top our 1/4 mile leader board easily.
I managed a 4.1 second 0-60 with me, tfsi_mike and Nickb in the car with full leather interior. JonnyC said he did a 3.6second 0-60 sprint with just him and full interior. This doesnt have R888s either.
This is so quick off the mark, I dont think any of the other ed30s irrelevant of mods or tune would not catch it back up before the finish. Plus its got the top end power to match.
Dom, I dontthink thesr,are running that much boost. We logged mikes car and it was only shootingspiking off the scale because he had lost traction. When traction was maintained boost wasn't high
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I'm following this thread with interest at the moment, as i'm considering stage 2+ on my K1. REVO was top of my list.
Ive spoken with Greg at APR UK and gleaned what info I can from him on the new map.
Waiting to see how it pans out for some of the current people trying the new V3.0 software.
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Thought i would post up my thoughts on the car as a whole.
Spec
Golf R DSG
APR Stage 2+
VWR TBE
VWR Intake
APR HPFP
Intercooler TBC
VWRacing Big brake kit
AST Coilovers
Think thats about it, but i might have missed some other stuff
Background
Obviously my current and previous cars haven't got a patch on a stage 2+ K04 performance wise, so of course the Golf is rapid compared to them, but i am fortunate enough to have driven and been a passenger in quite a few stage 2+ GTIs/Ed30s/Cupras/vRS's/S3's, as well as modified Focus RS's, Meganne RS's, M3's etc so i think i have a fairly good impression of it comparatively.
Looks
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Well the Golf R looks the nuts normally, but obviously this one is far from normal visually as it has the APR graphics over it. Have to say, i would prefer no graphics at all. I much prefer the understated look of a car. TBH, absolutely everybody i have spoken to, or has posted in response to uploaded images on the forums has said, it is to much, and it should be left looking stock.
However the kids on my estate LOVE IT. I think that says it all :grin:
That said, this car is about bringing attention to the APR brand, and it certainly achieves that in spades. Driving through town and on the dual carriageways you get alot of looks from pedestrians and other drivers, a fair few of which are laughing :ashamed:
Ill get some better pictures tomorrow.
Interior
Big fan of the interior. Typical top end VW style and finish.
The leather seats are beautiful and really comfy. But, i wouldnt say they hold me in your seats as well as in either of my two previous vRS's. Maybe its the leather that makes it a bit more slippery, i dont know, but i feel more snug in my car. Heated seats also feel like they take an age to heat up, compared to my car.
The MFSW is awesome. Its the first time ive been in a car with one and had a play with the buttons and id definitely consider retrofitting one on my car now. The DSG paddles are far to small though. Much smaller than the ones in my Fabia, which aren't exactly big.
Love the radio/audio setup seemed very good. First time i have used the built in sat nav system on a car and a rear facing camera for reversing. Wish that was an option in my car.
Ill take some pics of the interior tomorrow if people are interested.
Handling/ride quality
This is the first car ive driven with AST coilovers, and put simply, if Keith hadnt told me they were fitted or I hadnt looked at the stance of he car, i would have not known there were coilovers fitted to the car.
They ride the bumps and rough roads smoother than any other coilover kit i've experienced. TFSI_Mikes KW V3 setup for instance; We dont know what his are set at, but his shakes the fillings from your mouth and has to be driven slow over bumpy roads. Id say this car is only slightly stiffer over the rough roads than my Fabia is with stock suspension. I literally just drive it around the roads and bumps no differently to everyone else and it just soaks it up. I was reserved about going coilovers again, as i took them off my last car due to ride quality on UK roads, but this has changed my mind.
Kind of wish i had tried the Bilstein B16s to see how they compare comfort wise. Ive not really pushed the car tbh to know how they react at high speeds, but from AST, i cant imagine them being rubbish.
The car has alot more initial understeer than i had expected, and quite easily steps into oversteer, and once you expect it, its really entertaining and controllable. Didnt expect it the first time though :grin: Keith had warned me the tyres weren't the best when cold, so that might explain it.
Off the line though this car just has so much grip. Its an absolute breath of fresh air to be able to accelerate from low speed and not have a wheel spinning mess.
The brakes are Immense, theres no other word for it. This is the longest period ive had in a car with a proper big bbk. When you stomp on them they really really drop the speed. Both me, mike and nickB were impressed with them. In fact in typical TFSI_mike fashion, he said he could easily sell his current(3rd brake kit) setup to fund the VWR kit :signLOL:
Performance
LAG- This is somethin i notcied straightaway. There are huge amounts of lag on this compared to my little 1.4TSI.
The intake is an enclosed ITG VWRacing kit fed from the front slam panel and is ALOT quieter than the maxogen kit i had on my octavia. You can still hear it, but its nowhere near as vocal.
The TBE, is possibly my favorite part of this car(excluding the grip lol). I hate loud exhausts, on my Focus ST i had a tbe and it was to loud and i hated it. On my Octavia, i eventually caved and fitted the cat abck to make the full system. I then removed it a few months later because it was to loud for daily commuting and embarrassing. This VWRacing exhaust is the first TBE i like. Driven around town or on the motorway it is so quiet(well acceptably quiet) until you stick your foot down and then the whole world knows your coming. Its my ideal exhaust, and im considering getting one towards the end of the year instead of just a downpipe. Cant imagine its cheap though lol. Woul be keen to know the decibel level it runs at 4000rpm to see if there would be any limits from trackdays etc
Glad you enjoy it!
Its a VWR exhaust with a flapper valve, it opens at about 3900 RPM's.
As said in some of the other threads, this car is mega quick, and not just off the line.
Ive only done one run 0-60 with the race logic performance box
0-60 in 4.1seconds :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
But that was from a carriageway layby with lock on the wheel to get out! But most importantly that was with 3 people and full leather interior. And Mike will back me up, it was a slight incline as well.
This car has a sub 4second 0-60 sprint im 100% certain of it.
JonnyC posted on VAGOC and reckons he did a 3.6 Second 0-60 sprint with just him in the car. Imagine if it was on R888s on a sticky 1/4 mile track with a stripped interior!!! Theres enough grip to handle a full bore 3000rpm launch with no wheel spin :surprised: that is something i have never experienced before :congrats:
The power seems really really progressive and really strong. Mike commented that his felt like it pinned you to the seat more, not sure tbh, maybe its something we need to try :party:, but his is manual so that will never feel as smooth or progressive though the gears. His should be lighter though so once rolling it should have the legs, but from a standstill i reckon the haldex gives this car an easy 1.5 second head start.
Ive not tried it, but i reckon this car easily has a sub 13 second 1/4 mile in it, with potential to top the 1/4 mile leaderboard with the launches its capable of and judging by what poverty reckons with the comparable performance of this car to the jabba and MRC stage 2+ cars he was playing around with.
I wander if Keith would mind me taking it to a 1/4 mile day :party:
The only downside, but i guess is a side effect of this amount of power, is the mpg. I have don 150 miles today on a route that i regularly drive my car on to isit family. My Fabia vRS happily hits 42-45mpg on this route. the Golf R driven identically was pulling 24mpg :sick:
Summary
Im a Golf R convert.
I had always said i would take the Rocco R over the Golf R all day long. After driving this and experiencing what its like to have grip when ever you want it, i will definitely be consider a Golf R in the future. I dont think id go stage 2+ again though. Stage 2 would be were id leave it, although i said the same about my current car :scared:
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If you are anywhere near NG9 ill take you out in it. Not sure what the rules are with others driving it, but if Keith@APR OKs you to drive it, then thats fine with me. Otherwise your stuck with my dodgy driving :grin:
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It's nice you say the brakes are awesome I always said they are awesome
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It's nice you say the brakes are awesome I always said they are awesome
They are pretty good. Squeak abit at low speed though, not the wose i have heard. Shark_90s old brembo kit squeeled for england
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Have say I retract all previous comments about prefering a rocco R to the Golf R. This car is fantastic.
Not sure what exhaust it has, but its so quiet on a cruise but awesome on WOT. Almost like there's a valve in the system. Then the AST coilovers have an awesome ride quality. The dsg feels quicker than mine as well
Big big fan of this car.
Its a VWR exhaust with a flapper valve, it opens at about 3900 RPM's.
So thats like the BCS version (They call it "Epic", going to have a listen next time im up near St Helens as in the market for TBE in the next few months), wonder of VWR make it themselves or buy BCS system, re-label it and add on 50% :P
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I've got Markymarks pal also called 'mark' bringing his Scirocco R in to us in a couple of weeks to develop the BCS 'Epic' system - he's currently running a VW R system - but is not a happy bunny, so hopefully we'll be able to demonstrate clear benefits and results shortly.
I took Ken out in our demo Gti on Saturday while we were fitting his system and he was gob smacked!!
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I've got Markymarks pal also called 'mark' bringing his Scirocco R in to us in a couple of weeks to develop the BCS 'Epic' system - he's currently running a VW R system - but is not a happy bunny, so hopefully we'll be able to demonstrate clear benefits and results shortly.
I took Ken out in our demo Gti on Saturday while we were fitting his system and he was gob smacked!!
If we can get some clips of the exhaust note, I would be interested to hear it as im currently stashing money to one side each week ready for stage 2 in May (just got to get the cambelt service and cam follower done before I start modding). Then its stage 1 re-map followed shortly by a TBE exhaust (Hopefully the BCS Epic as long as its nice n quiet on pootling duty and a bit more raspy on WOT) and intake system followed by map tweaks to stage 2.
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Great ! :happy2:
Sound levels are virtually OEM until the car comes on boost - then all hell cuts loose ! both power and sound. This makes the 5 fantastic to drive as none of the low down torque is sacrificed, and it only produces its sports tone under load - and as it's valve controlled all of this happens progressively :jumpmove:
Cheers
Nige
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Great ! :happy2:
Sound levels are virtually OEM until the car comes on boost - then all hell cuts loose ! both power and sound. This makes the 5 fantastic to drive as none of the low down torque is sacrificed, and it only produces its sports tone under load - and as it's valve controlled all of this happens progressively :jumpmove:
Cheers
Nige
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Sounds good, would still like to hear it and see it before I commit my hard earned :happy2:
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Nice one :smiley:
We have a demonstrator system fitted to our car - you are more than welcome to come and experience it first hand.
I always find videos are somewhat inaccurate in presenting a sound experience.
Cheers
Nige
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Nice one :smiley:
We have a demonstrator system fitted to our car - you are more than welcome to come and experience it first hand.
I always find videos are somewhat inaccurate in presenting a sound experience.
Cheers
Nige
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Hi Nige, yes I PM'd you I said that next time im up in Manchester area I will pop over to have a listen, I am actually coming up to Manchester on friday evening on the 9th March so will be around saturday 10th if you can do that date, morning or afternoon I dont mind (coming up as I go on holiday sunday 11th from manchester aiport :happy2:)
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No problem bud - let's make that a date.
Just confirm with me the day before that everything is still on.
Cheers
Nige
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No problem bud - let's make that a date.
Just confirm with me the day before that everything is still on.
Cheers
Nige
No worries, can you PM me your details (address to come to and phone number etc so I can put it on my phone and nav)
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The unfortunate fact of the matter though, is that if me being here just results in more people from the UK buying from other countries, we will have to pull out of the market as we won't be able to sustain the costs of the operation. However, I'm not terribly worried about it because most people will buy from us due to our levels of service and most importantly because they want to have a warranty.
Pretty confident words.
I am sure most people will think differently with their wallets though considering an APR intercooler of similar dimensions and characteristics to a THS intercooler is £400 or 66.6% more expensive. Enjoy your short stay in the UK :signLOL:
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Imagine this, you are a small business in a local town. You sell and promote the APR brand. You go to local shows, develop local marketing, provide great customer service, etc. One day a client that has been to see you often and you've given great service to, even fixed small things on their engine FOC like a rotting vacuum line or whatnot, shows up with APR products for install that were purchased some place else. You install the product but APR made a mistake and something doesn't fit as it should. What should you do? Spend your time and money working with APR to correct the issue or charge the client for the work you did and send him on his way without his APR product installed?
Look at it on APR's end. If the APR dealer calls APR for support and APR says, on this particular car you need an extra part that the client didn't order, we thought you knew that. The dealer then says, yeah, but he didn't buy it from me. Then comes and tells you you didn't buy the extra part and you need to spend more money. You are going to be upset and APR is more than likely just going to give you the extra part. This costs APR money and the dealer his time and money who is more than likely going to install the extra part FOC.
We have experts in local markets because they are experts. Expertise deserves compensation.
Welcome to the industry I work for - we have customers buying from all over the world, and when they move their equipment from location A to B, we don't disown them - support and warranty is essential everywhere. The customer shouldn't have to pay for a silly pricing policy - it should be down to APR to make sure their products are just as affordable in one place as it is in another to avoid such a situatuion. Any internal politics or justification really amopunts to irrelevance in the eye of a customer when the price for a product is massively more expensive than a) others b) it needs to be.
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The unfortunate fact of the matter though, is that if me being here just results in more people from the UK buying from other countries, we will have to pull out of the market as we won't be able to sustain the costs of the operation. However, I'm not terribly worried about it because most people will buy from us due to our levels of service and most importantly because they want to have a warranty.
Pretty confident words.
I am sure most people will think differently with their wallets though considering an APR intercooler of similar dimensions and characteristics to a THS intercooler is £400 or 66.6% more expensive. Enjoy your short stay in the UK :signLOL:
lol Thanks!
If people are looking simply for the lowest price possible, APR is not the brand they should be looking at anyways. Its a similar situation for Apple and other American companies over here. The 27" Cinema Display is 400GBP more expensive here that it is in the States.
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So what you are saying there is that with APR, you are paying for the name?
Tests prove the THS to be at least as good as the APR :laugh:
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Imagine this, you are a small business in a local town. You sell and promote the APR brand. You go to local shows, develop local marketing, provide great customer service, etc. One day a client that has been to see you often and you've given great service to, even fixed small things on their engine FOC like a rotting vacuum line or whatnot, shows up with APR products for install that were purchased some place else. You install the product but APR made a mistake and something doesn't fit as it should. What should you do? Spend your time and money working with APR to correct the issue or charge the client for the work you did and send him on his way without his APR product installed?
Look at it on APR's end. If the APR dealer calls APR for support and APR says, on this particular car you need an extra part that the client didn't order, we thought you knew that. The dealer then says, yeah, but he didn't buy it from me. Then comes and tells you you didn't buy the extra part and you need to spend more money. You are going to be upset and APR is more than likely just going to give you the extra part. This costs APR money and the dealer his time and money who is more than likely going to install the extra part FOC.
We have experts in local markets because they are experts. Expertise deserves compensation.
Welcome to the industry I work for - we have customers buying from all over the world, and when they move their equipment from location A to B, we don't disown them - support and warranty is essential everywhere. The customer shouldn't have to pay for a silly pricing policy - it should be down to APR to make sure their products are just as affordable in one place as it is in another to avoid such a situatuion. Any internal politics or justification really amopunts to irrelevance in the eye of a customer when the price for a product is massively more expensive than a) others b) it needs to be.
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Ah yes, but your place of employment has already added the cost of support into their selling price. If they haven't, it could be the death of them.
For example, look at APR prices in Australia. Our importer there, a completely independent company, has included the price of support in their selling price and its significantly higher than we have in the UK.
Furthermore, companies that innovate and release new products ahead of the competition will also almost always have a higher selling price. Those that are later to market don't often suffer the same R&D burden so therefore they can significantly reduce costs. Plus, you guys should enquire about where these lower cost products are actually produced and reflect upon the company's answer, "Do they really have a foundry at their location to make the ic end tanks?".
Think about it, the USA has lower labor rates, lower costs of materials, a weaker currency and therefore lower selling prices than most of Europe. So how does a European company offer a comparable product for less?
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So what you are saying there is that with APR, you are paying for the name?
Tests prove the THS to be at least as good as the APR :laugh:
No, not all. Is that what my Apple example meant to you? I apologize as I did not intend for it to sound that way. I was just using them as an example of an American company that has to charge more for their products in the UK than in America.
Tests? Interesting, could you share the results with me? Linky?
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I work for a US company in a UK office and my customers are all round Europe. We make most of our products in the US and initial distribution is from the US and latterly through regional offices/distribution centres.
Our list price is the same the world over (difference in exchage rates and any applicable taxes being the difference). Our customers will know very quickly if the Houston office supply something more cheaply than the Singapore office and are willing to buy from the Houston office to save some cash. It therefore makes perfect sense to have the same prices everywhere. Why should APR be different? Why not change the pricing policy if people are blatently getting round fixed high UK prices to save some money, then punish them with the old warranty malarky? To use a local term, thats pretty hard necked for a company that left the UK high and dry and are trying to use their name and US reputation to come back and charging 42% more for the same hardware thats available in the US to cover "costs".
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No, not all. Is that what my Apple example meant to you? I apologise as I did not intend for it to sound that way. I was just using them as an example of an American company that has to charge more for their products in the UK than in America.
I have the benefit of travelling with my work - so far this year I have been to Romania, Poland 3 times, Norway, USA, Holland, Germany and France. Last year I was in over 20 countries. I go to the Apple store in most places if I have the chance to compare prices as I always have people asking me to buy an iPad2 at lower prices. Now what I have found by doing this is that apple prices while being different between the likes of USA and UK, don't list local tax with the RRP where the UK price does.
Therefore a basic iPad2 at $499 plus say 10% state tax = $550 or at 60p to $1 = £330 vs £399 for the same thing in the UK. Thats a 20% difference. You guys are charging more than double that as a difference :signLOL:
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By the way, I think its great you guys are back in the UK as competition encourages better products and keener prices for consumers. Monopolies serve no-one well. I wish you all the best in your UK venture and seriously hope you take a look at your hardware pricing just as you have with your software pricing. I know there is no way in hell I would pay £1k for an intercooler when a £600 one would do the same thing and gets great reviews, regardless of the badge/part number on the side of it not saying APR.
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I work for a US company in a UK office and my customers are all round Europe. We make most of our products in the US and initial distribution is from the US and latterly through regional offices/distribution centres.
Our list price is the same the world over (difference in exchage rates and any applicable taxes being the difference). Our customers will know very quickly if the Houston office supply something more cheaply than the Singapore office and are willing to buy from the Houston office to save some cash. It therefore makes perfect sense to have the same prices everywhere. Why should APR be different? Why not change the pricing policy if people are blatently getting round fixed high UK prices to save some money, then punish them with the old warranty malarky? To use a local term, thats pretty hard necked for a company that left the UK high and dry and are trying to use their name and US reputation to come back and charging 42% more for the same hardware thats available in the US to cover "costs".
The simple answer is we don't have enough margin in our products at the selling price they are offered for in the States. To equalize prices around the world we would have to significantly raise the prices in America. I think this is a legacy issue from when APR was very small. I do see how people could think we are trying to profiteer from international sales but that is simply not the case.
If you notice, the only hardware prices that are consistent round the world in this industry are from companies like ABT and MTM. I think the problem began when American companies began significantly undercutting the German tuners in North America. APR came about around that time in the late 90's and followed suit of what the current market environment in the USA was like at the time.
The automotive industry has always been the exception to global pricing though. For example, a brand new Golf R in the USA costs $36,000 or 22,900GBP. That same Golf R over here goes for 40,000GBP+ or $62, 860+.
I don't understand this "left the UK high and dry" sentiment I've seen around.
Our importer chose to do business with a competitor which left the UK market without support for a period of time while we put together a better solution. APR never "pulled out" of the UK market.
The UK market is so important to us that we decided to open an office and I volunteered to come and head it up. I left my family, friends, pets and all I know to come over here. And as you know, moving or travelling abroad seems really cool and exciting but its very difficult, time consuming and stressful.
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I know all about travelling, trust me! 86 flights last year is proof of that one and already since 7th Jan, I am at 24 flights and know about the family, friends etc thing too. Thing is though, while it is admirable and all, you will probably also be on an ex-pat deal, promotion potential through having worked with the company abroad and have all the perks to go with it :wink:.
I realise the whole US prices being cheaper thing and all, but you have somewhat exaggerated the price of the Golf R there. It starts at $35k plus tax vs £31k here, so using the detail above, £23k vs £31k using 60p to $1 or 34% difference which is still less than the 42%.
Hopefully you realise where I am coming from here by the way - I am not trying to be an arse - I am really stuggling to understand what justifies such premium prices. I seriously doubt your potential customers here will give 2 toots about APR margins, costs or buying things at inflated prices to keep APR in business and you away from your family and friends. Sorry for being blunt, but thats the position I am in with my products and services and in all honesty, its the position you are in too.
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I know all about travelling, trust me! 86 flights last year is proof of that one and already since 7th Jan, I am at 24 flights and know about the family, friends etc thing too. Thing is though, while it is admirable and all, you will probably also be on an ex-pat deal, promotion potential through having worked with the company abroad and have all the perks to go with it :wink:.
We should compare travels. I think you have more flights but I have more time in the air. Most of my flights are to Asia or America. :drinking: But yeah, you know where I'm coming from for sure.
I decided to do this simply for the challenge. There is no vertical movement available to me at APR, I'm the VP, so its purely out of a desire to see APR do well in the UK.
realise the whole US prices being cheaper thing and all, but you have somewhat exaggerated the price of the Golf R there. It starts at $35k plus tax vs £31k here, so using the detail above, £23k vs £31k using 60p to $1 or 34% difference which is still less than the 42%.
You have to remember the spec of the cars too. Almost all VW's are sold as "high spec" in America. When I was shopping for my Golf R over here I asked for a new Golf R and spec'ed it to what I would have gotten in America and was quoted 42k GBP.
you realise where I am coming from here by the way - I am not trying to be an arse - I am really stuggling to understand what justifies such premium prices. I seriously doubt your potential customers here will give 2 toots about APR margins, costs or buying things at inflated prices to keep APR in business and you away from your family and friends. Sorry for being blunt, but thats the position I am in with my products and services and in all honesty, its the position you are in too.
I understand completely and I really wish it was that simple for us. But again, the truth of the matter is that prices would go up in America, not down in the ROW.
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As soon as you open a place in Aberdeen, I will happily discuss anything you want if I am in town :wink:. I will also happily take a spin in that Golf and see whats what with it. Of course, I don't expect that place to be open here any time this year :signLOL:
Regarding prices, do you realistically expect to be selling high volumes of APR products at those prices and do you think that it is fair and sustainable to keep prices low in the US at the expense of high prices the rest of the world? Surely the potential in the rest of the world is higher than the total US market?
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Isn't this thread about the V3.0 software!!
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Seems to have gone off topic somewhat :surprised:
Whats happening with the gokart then Sy?
I think at the end of the day, people will go to whichever companies products they want to buy.
As far as the exhaust and apr fuel pump goes, they are supposed to be the best out there, so people are willing to pay the premium. as far as FMIC is concerned, people will obviously go down other routes with products that are considered equally as good, same goes for other APR products.
The fact still exists that there are places where you can import APR pumps from cheaper than here in the UK.
The remaps are on par pricewise as Revo, but as of yet, there arent enough people whom can give feedback on them in comparison to the competitors, so only time will tell as far as they are concerened
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Isn't this thread about the V3.0 software!!
Well I think this is covering the high costs of APR V3 in Uk compared to US, its something I have always wondered myself.
Bottom line the software has been developed, done dusted and now priced (high in my personal opinion), UK costs are always higher than states, guess that comes from us becoming used to it over the years but with the world now being an internet commerce these prices need to be more in line (again my opinion).
Software developed in USA and has been for a while, also sales in US for quite a while, it was tweaked I guess for UK (different fuel RON rates, diff boost settings, timing etc etc, but still the same software with tweaked parameters, surely as its already developed we should be paying similar rates?, after all It does not cost much for software to be loaded into the car?, about 1.5hrs maybe?.
And I know that Revo charge the same but they aint cheap either (I guess they priced theirs as APR were no longer around/supported in UK with a disty so they could price at what they wanted I guess!, when you have an abundance of smaller tuners offering similar stuff for almost half the price and with good reports it makes you wonder..... are we really paying for the name?.
The only benefit of APR that I (again to re-iterate personally speaking) see is the ability to switch map on cruise, thats about it!.
I personally import stufff regularly from USA as I was sick of getting loaded with high prices from UK importers, woo it hits UK shores and suddenly it becomes 50% more expensive or go direct to source in USA and get it cheaper and after shipping and taxes still save yourself 25%.
I was lucky enough to "Accidentally" get sent a UK Distributor pricing list for my business which showed that UK wholesale cost was actually only 8.9% higher than US :fighting: :fighting:
OK stepping off soap box, wiping brow and Reeeelaxxxxx.
Seriously tho APR (and Revo) the smaller guys are catching up (if not caught up already) and charging half what you are
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You also don't pay to update the software say from Stg1 to Stg2. Less of course any charge by the garage/tuner that does it.
Most others are around the £60 mark plus any time charge by the garage/tuner
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You also don't pay to update the software say from Stg1 to Stg2. Less of course any charge by the garage/tuner that does it.
Most others are around the £60 mark plus any time charge by the garage/tuner
Jabbasport dont either (Not sure about shark, R=tech etc etc, just RR mapping time same as any APR/Revo would do
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As soon as you open a place in Aberdeen, I will happily discuss anything you want if I am in town :wink:. I will also happily take a spin in that Golf and see whats what with it. Of course, I don't expect that place to be open here any time this year :signLOL:
Regarding prices, do you realistically expect to be selling high volumes of APR products at those prices and do you think that it is fair and sustainable to keep prices low in the US at the expense of high prices the rest of the world? Surely the potential in the rest of the world is higher than the total US market?
The issue with US pricing is that it is too low and the margins we make are too small to absorb the additional costs associated with selling our products in other countries.
Looking at our income statement, the only course of action available is to raise US prices. We would be able to find a happy medium as the additional profit from the US sales would help to offset costs of doing business internationally but raise the price we must to make it work.
We already sell more internationally than we do in North America. Its been that way for a long time.
Our strongest single market this year was China, then Germany and then North America.
Our sales are very strong in Greece as well.
The UK, North Western and South Western Europe are where our greatest opportunities for drastic improvements in market share lie currently.
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Seems to have gone off topic somewhat :surprised:
Whats happening with the gokart then Sy?
Keith is working onthe software side as we speak. The ancillaries are all sorted.
Completion hopefully on Sunday.
Back in topic, I have managed a 3.8sec 0-60 with the golf on the same stretch of road as before.
Imagine with the seats removed!!!
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Seems to have gone off topic somewhat :surprised:
Whats happening with the gokart then Sy?
Keith is working onthe software side as we speak. The ancillaries are all sorted.
Completion hopefully on Sunday.
Back in topic, I have managed a 3.8sec 0-60 with the golf on the same stretch of road as before.
Imagine with the seats removed!!!
How much for a 4wd conversion on my apr v3 Cupra lol
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Seems to have gone off topic somewhat :surprised:
Whats happening with the gokart then Sy?
Keith is working onthe software side as we speak. The ancillaries are all sorted.
Completion hopefully on Sunday.
Back in topic, I have managed a 3.8sec 0-60 with the golf on the same stretch of road as before.
Imagine with the seats removed!!!
Wait! You got into the 3's in my Golf R before I did! You must be a better driver than I. lol Congrats!
Waiting for the first round of files from America to enable me to do to your ecu what needs to be done.
On the current Stage 1 you have its over boosting and running out fuel. The new turbo must have done something!!! :driver:
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Looks like you might beat hurdy to the 1.4 title :congrats:
3.8 secs is nice for a family hatch :happy2: imagine what you'll get when temps creep up :laugh:
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Launch control, press loud pedal then hold on :driver:
I need haldex in my life
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The issue with US pricing is that it is too low and the margins we make are too small to absorb the additional costs associated with selling our products in other countries.
Looking at our income statement, the only course of action available is to raise US prices. We would be able to find a happy medium as the additional profit from the US sales would help to offset costs of doing business internationally but raise the price we must to make it work.
We already sell more internationally than we do in North America. Its been that way for a long time.
With respect, knowing what "similar" hardware/equipment costs to design and make, I find it hard to believe US prices are too low as is. Using the transverse TFSi intercooler example again, I may have been interested to have an APR intercooler, but its 66.6% more expensive than the all but the same THS intercooler. APR name and quality or not, it is surely APR's job to prove why it is so much better than the others to justify that premium price, and I can't find that anywhere on the APR web site just as I can't find any detail on these new maps other than functionality, people joy riding in a demo car and price :signLOL:
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Alan,
One of the chaps down here got a respectable 368hp on his new Stage 2+ APR software on the AMD rollers on Sunday. He previously had a Jabbasport map, and says its a great improvement.
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Can someone tell me what's needed to go stage 2 on a cupra r tfsi.
I have a Pipewerx sportscat and a carbonio intake with panel filter.
Thanks
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Can someone tell me what's needed to go stage 2 on a cupra r tfsi.
I have a Pipewerx sportscat and a carbonio intake with panel filter.
Thanks
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Turbo back exhaust is all thats needed for stage 2, a CAI is optional, stage 2+ is TBE, CAI and HPFP I believe.
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A full tbe is not needed, only reccomended.
The minimum requirement is a downpipe and sports cat. Kevs FR is able to go stage 2 with that. Obviously he'll benefit massively from an intake though
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A full tbe is not needed, only reccomended.
The minimum requirement is a downpipe and sports cat. Kevs FR is able to go stage 2 with that. Obviously he'll benefit massively from an intake though
We need vRS figures :party: :driver:
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A full tbe is not needed, only reccomended.
The minimum requirement is a downpipe and sports cat. Kevs FR is able to go stage 2 with that. Obviously he'll benefit massively from an intake though
We need vRS figures :party: :driver:
Simon's car?
1.8 bar tapering to 1.5 or 1.6 by redline.
He using a map similar to the other 1.4 TSI with a turbo upgrade in Australia that was reported to make 270BHP but with more timing.
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That's one quick shopping trolley! :driver:
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That's one quick shopping trolley Homomobile! :driver:
Fixed it for ya. :wink:
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That's one quick shopping trolley Homomobile! :driver:
Fixed it for ya. :wink:
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That's one quick shopping trolley Homomobile! :driver:
Fixed it for ya. :wink:
:signLOL: :notworthy:
Nice to see you over here matey :happy2:
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That's one quick shopping trolley Homomobile! :driver:
Fixed it for ya. :wink:
:signLOL: :notworthy:
Nice to see you over here matey :happy2:
Ha, its always good to keep looking around bud! I'm really interested to see the competition APR provide to REVO over the coming months/years! Competition is GOOD!:D
Any news on your motor yet?
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That's one quick shopping trolley Homomobile! :driver:
Fixed it for ya. :wink:
:signLOL: :notworthy:
Nice to see you over here matey :happy2:
Ha, its always good to keep looking around bud! I'm really interested to see the competition APR provide to REVO over the coming months/years! Competition is GOOD!:D
Any news on your motor yet?
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Diff, THE clutch, lambda 2, oil seal, geometry & arches pulled this week.
Then handing over to Keith @ Apr to tweak my map. :party: :party: :party:
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That's one quick shopping trolley Homomobile! :driver:
Fixed it for ya. :wink:
:signLOL: :notworthy:
Nice to see you over here matey :happy2:
Ha, its always good to keep looking around bud! I'm really interested to see the competition APR provide to REVO over the coming months/years! Competition is GOOD!:D
Any news on your motor yet?
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Diff, THE clutch, lambda 2, oil seal, geometry & arches pulled this week.
Then handing over to Keith @ Apr to tweak my map. :party: :party: :party:
All good my friend, all good!:D
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