MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Pauli on January 30, 2012, 10:42:14 pm
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hi all,
I had my mk6 gti flashed @ inters. All was good until I was nearly home back in lancs when the yellow exhaust light came on, drove cautiously, then after refueling with more vpower the light went out. This fault keeps coming and going for the last 6 months since the flash but I only use vpower. The second fault occured 3 months after inters, when accelerating up a slip road I shifted from 3rd to 4th put the accelerator down and no power, just deceleration, I look at my on board computer at it read engine fault workshop and into limp mode the GTi went. After pluggin the car into a diagnostic machine the tech told me there was a missfire on a cylinder and carbon build up around the throttle body. They wanted to update my ECU but I decllined as it may wipe the flash. I told VW I would see if the fault clears as it was ok once I had arrived @ the dealership. The third fault has just started, which I can only describe as a slipping clutch sensation, but happens intermitently in different gears under heavy load. The 4th fault is an irratic idling, but again intermitent. I have been to Awesome and had the GTi flashed back to stock purely because I have an undriveable £26k car. Both Revo and Awesome tell me thay have had no issues with any other flashed TSi's, and that I have a flywheel issue which is VW's fault and my spark plugs are not great which is VW's fault. I asked Revo uk for a refund or partial refund, or even a voucher for a future ECU flash, to which I got knocked back on all three. But they will give me a 20% discount on a future flash... thanx lol.
All in all I am totaly dissatisified with revo as I have spent £410 on a stg 1, on a car which becomes undriveable. Oh and £33 @ Awesome to go back to stock. My last 2 GTi's one of which was an ED30 were APR tuned and were superb.
Any idea what my next steps should be?
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I forgot to add now the car is stock, it drives perfectly, with no slipping clutch no yellow lights, and no irratic idling... Which leads me to think, is it really VW that are at fault?
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Slipping clutch is no ones fault... its just a bi-product of adding another 40-50fltbs of torque.
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my last 2 gti's have been fine, 299 bhp ED30 no sign of slipping, plus the flash has only covered 5000 miles.
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OK... so whats VW side of this? Have you spoken to them about the flywheel and spark plugs?
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After Stage 1 Revo my Ed30 started having random misfires on all cylinders, found inlet valves leaking on two cylinders!!!
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Sorry to hear about the problems guys, but this is why I am leaving mine standard..... Ed30s are quick standard??????
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blimey,this is making me think twice on if I'm gonna remap the ed30 with revo stg1
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Wasn't there a rash of cars that got flashed by Revo at inters that have shown problems. :happy2:
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it was revo/awesome that told me about sparkplugs/flywheel. I havent spoke to VW about these two issues. I have gone back to stock so I can go back to main dealer to see what there opinion is. The problem I have is now my car is stock there are no faults, but there should be faults stored in the memory, regarding the clutch, I dont they will find as it slipped only when revo'd.
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Wasn't there a rash of cars that got flashed by Revo at inters that have shown problems. :happy2:
Revo never told me this when I spoke to them earlier today
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I seem to remember at least 3 peeps on here with inter flash probs. Mandy was one if you search for threads by her you should find the problem. :happy2:
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my last 2 gti's have been fine, 299 bhp ED30 no sign of slipping, plus the flash has only covered 5000 miles.
the map on the tsi has slightly more torque than the Ed30, my tsi rocco had clutch slip (as per your description) hence why it now has a sachs in it, only issue i've found having run revo stage 1 and 2 on a tsi for over 40k was the plugs needed changing every 12-15k
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I had my first mk6 GTI REVO'd in 2009, I sold it in September 2011.
I didn't have any of the above issues (but my car isn't a daily driver - I have a 14 year old Ibiza GTI to fend off the f##kwits with on the daily commute) doing mostly quick dual carriageway driving and motorway work. In fact I live in a very hilly area which would be particularly hard on the clutch in the higher gears at max torque.
I rolling roaded my GTI with about 8000 miles on the clock in 2009 and it came in at 260bhp and 299 lb ft torque on TSRs rollers.
The only issues mine encountered was an occasional hesitation which has been well documented.
What I did find, late in the car's time with me, was that the 95RON map was much smoother. Much less power and torque than the 98 map but you could drive the car damn near as quick in normal road conditions as there was no torque steer (my car ran wider, higher offset wheels and slightly wider tyres than stock so suffered a bit of torque steer on the full fat map), no hesitations and totally smooth through the range with a much better mid range than the standard flat feeling factory map. And it was really good on fuel too.
I only tried the 95RON map just to see what it was like just before I sold the car to satisfy my curiousity and wished I'd used it a lot more.
So my advice would be to sort out your issues with VW, politely kick up a bit of a fuss with REVO to get your map put back on the car afterwards (their customer service is normally very good) FOC and run it on the 95RON map. Much better than standard but not as feisty(sp) as the 98 map.
I have recent experience with a Bluefin mk6. It drives a bit like the 95RON Revo but maybe slightly more powerful. That's a nice alternative if you fancy shelling out another £400 or so.
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Remember guys a remap is only as good as the car.... Remap a car with under laying issues and you will have fault pop up. Being a new car dont mean everything is 100% spot on.
The second fault occured 3 months after inters. If the Revo map was at fault I am sure you would have issues straight away.
Revo do offer a full refund within 28days more than enough time to find out if the map suits your car and driving style.
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Pauli
Don't think your a million miles from me in Lancashie, If you want i can scan it and see if any codes are showing :happy2:
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The problem here is how do you go back to VW and say "When I have Revo on my car it doesn't work so well".
The service department will probably just roll on the floor laughing and say bye. Or am I missing something here? :rolleye:
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as someone said, Mandy and Gti-Mad's(ed30) cars were both mapped by Revo and Both had monumental running issues straight away. I think yours will be the same fella, problem is youve left it too long to say to Revo your a bunch of C..ts. :signLOL:
Id be going with either APR or R-Tech as a good value for money option personally.
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We quite often get customers in for software upgrades after they have tried an alternative product which has caused problems. They will discuss the problem they had with the other tuners software and usually they have then had the car flashed back to stock before coming to us.
After we have flashed it with our own software or Revo we fully expect to have them back within a few days complaining of the same fault, usually resulting in a refund and reflash to stock, this is all part of the tuning business.
What this tells us is that the fault is actually on the car and the software is just highlighting it, and when tuned the increase in power and torque is just enough to cause the fault. Most tuners software for each given engine will have the same/very similar calibration and the end user may have the ability to alter some parameters (i.e revo sps tool). If the fault was with the software its likely that all of the cars flashed with that software will have the same fault, however I have flashed 30+ 2.0 tsi cars with none of them experiencing any issues that the OP describes.
Clutch slip is a fact of having a mechanical manual clutch, not any fault of the software. The other faults sound like ignition problems to me, i.e spark plugs and coilpack issues. These problems are often highlighted with tuned cars, I couldnt count the amount of healthy running 1.8t's and 2.0 tfsi cars that I have had in for tuning that have a plug or coil give up shortly after. This isnt a sign that there was a fault with the software as once replaced for healthy items the problem went away and stayed away, it was a fault with the component itself.
For cars to be tuned they should be in good health, the fact that they are standard and running fine isn't an indication of every component being healthy.
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as someone said, Mandy and Gti-Mad's(ed30) cars were both mapped by Revo and Both had monumental running issues straight away. I think yours will be the same fella, problem is youve left it too long to say to Revo your a bunch of C..ts. :signLOL:
Id be going with either APR or R-Tech as a good value for money option personally.
I am not working on mk6 MED17 ecus yet, if i try to consume any more information me head will explode...lol I will stick with 20vT and TFSI for the next 10 year... :notworthy:
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Remember guys a remap is only as good as the car.... Remap a car with under laying issues and you will have fault pop up. Being a new car dont mean everything is 100% spot on.
The second fault occured 3 months after inters. If the Revo map was at fault I am sure you would have issues straight away.
Revo do offer a full refund within 28days more than enough time to find out if the map suits your car and driving style.
well the engine fault was due to carbon build up I imagine, this may have built up due to more power, would this be correct?
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as someone said, Mandy and Gti-Mad's(ed30) cars were both mapped by Revo and Both had monumental running issues straight away. I think yours will be the same fella, problem is youve left it too long to say to Revo your a bunch of C..ts. :signLOL:
Id be going with either APR or R-Tech as a good value for money option personally.
I am not working on mk6 MED17 ecus yet, if i try to consume any more information me head will explode...lol I will stick with 20vT and TFSI for the next 10 year... :notworthy:
I find MED17 a lot easier than ME9, for basic stuff anyway.
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The problem here is how do you go back to VW and say "When I have Revo on my car it doesn't work so well".
The service department will probably just roll on the floor laughing and say bye. Or am I missing something here? :rolleye:
I was thinking now it is stock I can take it in and see what fault codes are stored, but I am snookered on the clutch thing. Regarding the spark plugs, I find it hard to stomach that VW would use inferior products on a high performance hatch.
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:scared: now this has me worried, but with any modification i suppose there are potential issues.
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The problem here is how do you go back to VW and say "When I have Revo on my car it doesn't work so well".
The service department will probably just roll on the floor laughing and say bye. Or am I missing something here? :rolleye:
I was thinking now it is stock I can take it in and see what fault codes are stored, but I am snookered on the clutch thing. Regarding the spark plugs, I find it hard to stomach that VW would use inferior products on a high performance hatch.
Spark plugs can fail at any time, mileage isnt a large factor. I had a turbo go on a VW PD140 that I bought with 13000 miles on, the service history showed that it previously failed after 3 months on the road with just 3k miles on. Car was 100% standard.
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\so what we seem to be saying is Revo are happy to take your cash and not at all helpfull when u have issues, blaming the car seems to be std get out clause for them it seems.
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\so what we seem to be saying is Revo are happy to take your cash and not at all helpfull when u have issues, blaming the car seems to be std get out clause for them it seems.
From what I can read from the original post it doesnt say wether or not the OP spoke to revo about the isses before the car was flashed back to stock, so the assumption that revo were not helpfull isnt really fair. Revo offer a 30 day money back guarantee and have one of the most clued up and helpfull tech support departments I have ever dealt with.
It seems to me from the original post that Revo were not aware of the issue at all until after the car had been returned to stock months later by the request of the owner.
Not trying to take sides, just looking at it from the tuners point of view.
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I'd say about 70% of the mapped cars on this forum are Revo'd. Since this forum began it's been the most spoken about/taken up map and I've never read of any problems with it until the recent spat of threads concerning cars with fresh maps. Surely it can't be a problem with the software. They've got years of experience writing it, my car ran Revo for 3 years with no issues whatsoever, as did countless others on here back in the day when we all used to have GTI's :grin:
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I can live with the exhaust light as it could be fuel related and doesnt effect performance of the car, the engine light happened once due to carbon build up, which again I can live with as I have'nt seen a sign of it again. What I cant live with is, is the slipping clutch, and I cant accept it is VW's fault. If the clutch slipped within the massive 30 day revo warranty/refund I would gone back to stock in an instant. And I will not upgrade the clutch on a 13k miles car. A refund would be perfect, a partial refund would be great, being told to get a new clutch and spark plugs is total gash.
I would not recommend Revo to anybody. As I said earlier, I had two APR GTi's, and not a sniff of trouble.
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Shame that you have had a bad experience, a different map isnt going to solve anything as clutch slip is an issue with torque output.
But it has to be a weak clutch, otherwise all other TSi Revo cars would have had the same problem. Did you contact Revo at all during the 30 days period? If not then I cant see what more they could have done for you unfortunately.
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Shame that you have had a bad experience, a different map isnt going to solve anything as clutch slip is an issue with torque output.
But it has to be a weak clutch, otherwise all other TSi Revo cars would have had the same problem. Did you contact Revo at all during the 30 days period? If not then I cant see what more they could have done for you unfortunately.
I reported the exhaust gas warning light, that was the only issue within 30 days. Would a 95 ron flash make the clutch stop slipping?
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\so what we seem to be saying is Revo are happy to take your cash and not at all helpfull when u have issues, blaming the car seems to be std get out clause for them it seems.
In 99% of cases if Revo can help the will advise and bend over backwards to help and sort issues even if its not the SW fault.
Nick
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\so what we seem to be saying is Revo are happy to take your cash and not at all helpfull when u have issues, blaming the car seems to be std get out clause for them it seems.
In 99% of cases if Revo can help the will advise and bend over backwards to help and sort issues even if its not the SW fault.
Nick
Really? :surprised:
I can't say I've seen that too often. :smiley:
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They fixed my problem...but that might have been a one off. :-/
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You compare this to your 2 APR'd Golfs...when I was doing my research into maps I looked at hundreds of rolling road graphs just to get a feeling for the average power/torque gains, and Revo always came out top for higher power/torque than APR.
To put things in even more perspective, on my stage 2 GTI the clutch would began to slip after the map had been on for around 5K-7K miles, which I accepted would be normal. When I was returning the car back to standard I took the APR RSC exhaust off first. After that, the clutch slip basically stopped altogether. Goes to show you how such little, insignificant things just push the clutch over the edge.
I'm not sure you really have a case, maybe your car has responded especially well to the map and is pushing more torque than other TSI engines? Or maybe it's your driving style and you frequently load the car up in a high gear? (i don't know how you drive obviously)....
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\so what we seem to be saying is Revo are happy to take your cash and not at all helpfull when u have issues, blaming the car seems to be std get out clause for them it seems.
In 99% of cases if Revo can help the will advise and bend over backwards to help and sort issues even if its not the SW fault.
Nick
Really? :surprised:
I can't say I've seen that too often. :smiley:
I have had a few issues in the past and all I had to do is send the customer to the HQ and Kev looks into it straight away. The thing they struggle with is trying to diagnose issues over the phone or via email.
I have the same situations where people email phone me saying " I have my car mapped 3 month a go now I have a missfire, flatspot dont feel as quick, whats wrong is it the map" All we can do is give a generic reply pointing out the common hardware issues which could cause faults, If I have the car on my dyno I could just about pinpoint most faults with in 15mins. If the car dont come to me it turns into a 10-15 replies to email trying to guide the customer to find the cause of tha fault.
For all the Revo customers Just phone Kev and head down to HQ where he can check, drive and log your cars and help you out.
Nick
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If your clutch was slipping on revo, it'd probably slip on any map. Depends on how you look after it and whether you do things like accelerating hard in sixth gear rather than changing down.
Also remember that any map has the potential to wear components more quickly than expected and highlight faults with the car.
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I have driven the MK6 like the MK5's, maybe I do use 5th/6th too much when overtaking, but thats what I thought more torque was all about. Maybe I should have been told it could wear my clutch if I dont gear down enough. Even to this day I didnt realise not red lining it was a bad thing. At least I know now. is an ED30 clutch the same as a MK6 GTi clutch?
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I have driven the MK6 like the MK5's, maybe I do use 5th/6th too much when overtaking, but thats what I thought more torque was all about. Maybe I should have been told it could wear my clutch if I dont gear down enough. Even to this day I didnt realise not red lining it was a bad thing. At least I know now. is an ED30 clutch the same as a MK6 GTi clutch?
I don't believe they are... heard that instead of uprating the clutch sometuners would put the ed30 clutch in.
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rocco clutch started slipping at 30k, car was doing alot of motorway miles where i used the torque, pirelli now has 42k on the clock and on its original clutch, in reality i know people who have had clutch slip on tsi roccos running apr
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i may just trade it in for a 35th and find APR in UK
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You will have the same prob with APR if it produces too much torque for the clutch... Revo wasn't at fault...
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This should be interesting...
APR seem to be bending over backwards to regain market status! Cant refuse a free remap :party:
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Sounds like desperation!!
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Sounds like desperation!!
Or making things right, its things like this that help win customers back :happy2: although at £600 for a re-map I wont be going APR :P (Nothing against them but the price)
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Sounds like desperation!!
I would say our customer service philosophy is just a little different than most UK companies.
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Let's hope it doesn't have too much torque for his clutch otherwise you're in for bad press... Lol
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Let's hope it doesn't have too much torque for his clutch otherwise you're in for bad press... Lol
haha! It would depend on which version he opts for then. The production and original TSI calibration is designed around the weaker than normal for VW stock clutch. The LP3 calibration as its called makes similar or more torque and power to the typical offerings from our competition.
He has options.
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Top stuff from apr offering a free remap. May look into this myself. I'll see what tfsimike comes up with first on his dyno runs. :congrats:
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Can I have a free map Keith? :signLOL:
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Can I have a free map Keith? :signLOL:
Sure! Pick a car you'd like to try it on and I'll spend the day with you testing it against what you currently offer and if you want to keep it, it's all yours!
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How about a free car as well? I'm VAGless at present :sad1:
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How about a free car as well? I'm VAGless at present :sad1:
Council car? :smiley:
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I personally think its brilliant that theres competition for REVO. Maybe they'll lower thgeir prices now, because they are massively more expensive than the opposition on the TFSI now
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Ive never had a car remapped. Will someone map mine for free too? :signLOL:
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I personally think its brilliant that theres competition for REVO. Maybe they'll lower thgeir prices now, because they are massively more expensive than the opposition on the TFSI now
Can't see them lowering their prices to be honest... Too many mouths to feed. Unless APR star offering tsfi maps for 300 quid.
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Ive never had a car remapped. Will someone map mine for free too? :signLOL:
Of course! It only lasts for 6 hours of driving time though. :wink:
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Sounds like desperation!!
I would say our customer service philosophy is just a little different than most UK companies.
What about APR Customers who had there map taken off because they weren't happy with it, and couldn't get APR to respond to emails about there issues ?
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Sounds like desperation!!
I would say our customer service philosophy is just a little different than most UK companies.
What about APR Customers who had there map taken off because they weren't happy with it, and couldn't get APR to respond to emails about there issues ?
I can only focus on the present and future. APR Motorsport, LTD is here to insure that NEVER happens again.
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Sounds like desperation!!
I would say our customer service philosophy is just a little different than most UK companies.
What about APR Customers who had there map taken off because they weren't happy with it, and couldn't get APR to respond to emails about there issues ?
I can only focus on the present and future. APR Motorsport, LTD is here to insure that NEVER happens again.
I think I misunderstood you, my apologies.
If you mean you want APR back on the same car you had it on before, but you flashed over it with a competitor than you still own the APR and all you have to do is schedule an appointment with an APR dealer to have the latest and greatest installed FOC. The dealer may charge labor but that's it!
I thought you meant what about the unanswered emails.
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Can I have a free map Keith? :signLOL:
Sure! Pick a car you'd like to try it on and I'll spend the day with you testing it against what you currently offer and if you want to keep it, it's all yours!
I thought you had a white edition 30 dave :wink:
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Yes, i do now have a white edition30 :signLOL: