MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: JackG on February 07, 2012, 08:43:35 pm
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Hi guys, need 2 new tyres on the Ed30 which is stage 2+
My PS3's are good but they don't handle the power well at all so I'm looking for something thy may do a slightly better Job!
The choices are toyo R1R £161 each or yoko advan AD08 about £140 each
Im after some advice from guys which may have tried them both? Wear rate doesn't matter much but we all like them to last so it would grey if one lasted longer than the other!
Many thanks
Jack
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not tried either yet but i am going for R1R's myself for summer as best for grip apparently (apart from the 888's) but I think are a bit better in the wet/cold than the 888's but sure Danish/Danza/Hurdy can confirm
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Both great, think I'd chose the Yoko myself. Lotus boys love them. Look at Federal 595 RSRs too :happy2:
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yeah heard those federals are great for the money as track/summer tyres, even better than the Hankook variety
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yeah heard those federals are great for the money as track/summer tyres, even better than the Hankook variety
I can vouch for the Federals, i love mine and surprisingly good in the wet tbh! :happy2:
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Had the R1R on great tyre which lasted a good 6-7k miles and has the same compound as R888's but comes with more tread and better at dispersing water although wouldnt put them on till at least spring time as in these temps the compound will be rock hard and possibility of failure.
Check load rating on tyre efore ordering!
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Does anyone know what MM of tread comes on the AD08 and R1R?
Ad08 sounds good so far then :happy2:
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Where you pricing these at?
Assuming 225/40/18 88W, my concern would be the load rating being 70kg less. Combined with the extra lateral grip and you could be looking at potentially the sidewall being put under a load close to or even exceeding maximum. In addition, I would expect insurance to be void in the event of an accident as you have fitted tyres with a load rating lower than specified.
That said I know people have run these for a few thousand miles without issue.
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Where you pricing these at?
Assuming 225/40/18 88W, my concern would be the load rating being 70kg less. Combined with the extra lateral grip and you could be looking at potentially the sidewall being put under a load close to or even exceeding maximum. In addition, I would expect insurance to be void in the event of an accident as you have fitted tyres with a load rating lower than specified.
That said I know people have run these for a few thousand miles without issue.
To be honest I'm not sure, just had a quick look on camskill, the rating standard is Y I think but will have to check Load is 88 tho
Edit: http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1600s134p0/Car_Tyres_-_MPV_Tyres_-_People_Carrier_Tyres_-_18%5C_inch_YOKOHAMA_TYRES_TRACKDAY_TRACK_DAY_YOKOHAMA_AD08_ADVAN_NEOVA_YOKOHAMA_AD_08_-_R18_inch_-_225_40_18_225_40_R_18
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I didn't have both of them but I know some guys running them.
Imho both are great and superior to the Federal, at least the AD08 is better.
Jake/Danish had the R1-R. Shure he'll visit this thread.
The choices are toyo R1R £161 each or yoko advan AD08 about £140 each
If the Yokos are even cheaper I'd go for them!
Both great, think I'd chose the Yoko myself. Lotus boys love them. Look at Federal 595 RSRs too :happy2:
I know some guys very lucky with the AD08 running on the Ring. Sadly the AD08
isn't available in Germany and has to be purchased in the UK or Poland.
I'm not completely satisfied with the 595 RS-R, Tony. While it feels more stable
and grippy on dry than a R-S2 I had some issues with cracks/crazes on the tread.
It's also very poor on the wet (esp. when cold). So not suitable on a daily driver.
ps
If you have 8x18 wheel with ET48 - ET51 think about going for 235/30 wide tyrers.
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Does anyone know what MM of tread comes on the AD08 and R1R?
Ad08 sounds good so far then :happy2:
AD08 comes with 8mm when new as it's marketed primarily as a road tyre, i'd imagine the R1R also comes with the usual 8mm compared to the 5mm of the 888 :happy2:
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The Clutter has T-R1R's on each corner, and it is so so funny, the combination of the Diff and the tyres means it just sticks and sticks, and that is in the winter.
205/50/15's as well, so fairly cheap fun!
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Does anyone know what MM of tread comes on the AD08 and R1R?
Ad08 sounds good so far then :happy2:
AD08 comes with 8mm when new as it's marketed primarily as a road tyre, i'd imagine the R1R also comes with the usual 8mm compared to the 5mm of the 888 :happy2:
Thank you :happy2: was confused about the whole "R888 don't come with lots of tread"
Answered that question great :notworthy:
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Where you pricing these at?
Assuming 225/40/18 88W, my concern would be the load rating being 70kg less. Combined with the extra lateral grip and you could be looking at potentially the sidewall being put under a load close to or even exceeding maximum. In addition, I would expect insurance to be void in the event of an accident as you have fitted tyres with a load rating lower than specified.
That said I know people have run these for a few thousand miles without issue.
To be honest I'm not sure, just had a quick look on camskill, the rating standard is Y I think but will have to check Load is 88 tho
Looks like 88 is common for track tyres load rating of 560kg. R888 available in 92,
I think it would niggle at me particularly full pelt mid corner :scared:
Edit: http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1600s134p0/Car_Tyres_-_MPV_Tyres_-_People_Carrier_Tyres_-_18%5C_inch_YOKOHAMA_TYRES_TRACKDAY_TRACK_DAY_YOKOHAMA_AD08_ADVAN_NEOVA_YOKOHAMA_AD_08_-_R18_inch_-_225_40_18_225_40_R_18
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I had some issues with cracks/crazes on the tread.
It's also very poor on the wet (esp. when cold). So not suitable on a daily driver.
Luckily i've had no treadwear issues with mine so far and found they have exceeded my expectations for wet weather performance on track, don't know if i'd be happy to let the wife use the car through our usual British summer though as i think they may be a handful with standing water etc!
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Does anyone know what MM of tread comes on the AD08 and R1R?
Ad08 sounds good so far then :happy2:
AD08 comes with 8mm when new as it's marketed primarily as a road tyre, i'd imagine the R1R also comes with the usual 8mm compared to the 5mm of the 888 :happy2:
Thank you :happy2: was confused about the whole "R888 don't come with lots of tread"
Answered that question great :notworthy:
No probs mate :happy2:
Although a quick double check shows the R1R coming with a stingy imo 6.5mm when new :fighting:
R888 is definitely 5mm and AD08 8mm though :smiley:
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Excuse my ignorance but is the normal load rating 92 then on most 225/40/18 tyres but some of the semi-slicks have a lower load rating of 88, which could be a potential problem if pushing too hard/invalidating insurance? :surprised:
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R888's are the only track tyre ive seen with a load rating of 92, ive not exactly gone out of my way to look at the others though.
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R888's are the only track tyre ive seen with a load rating of 92, ive not exactly gone out of my way to look at the others though.
any idea on the technical reasoning as to why they would have a lower load rating? compound?
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Running AD08's on my Evo and have been very impressed so far . Not worried about wear rates as I hardly do any miles each year.
Currently running PS3's on the wifes bog standard Gti which also seem pretty good .
I would buy the AD08's if it was my choice between the Toyos and Yoks.
:happy2:
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R888's are the only track tyre ive seen with a load rating of 92, ive not exactly gone out of my way to look at the others though.
any idea on the technical reasoning as to why they would have a lower load rating? compound?
Mainly as they have motorsport in mind and therefore the cars they go on are normally stripped out lightweight track slags.
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So is it safe to run 88 load index tyres on the golf?
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I looked at both the R1R and AD08 2 years ago when i needed something to go on track with, as i recall it the AD08 is a bit harder compound that the R1R. Also i've heard from some guys in Denmark runnig the yokohama cup that the AD08 is noisy and lacking grip when really giving it the beans.
At my level of performance the R1R is the perfect tyre in between the R888 and Michelin Pilot Super Sport, so it's actually the best of both worlds. The grip is awesome and it's an easy tyre to read. I've done app. 13.000km on them including trackdays and there still rubber left to make them roadlegal :surprised:
All in all you won't be let down by the Toyo R1R's :notworthy:
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So is it safe to run 88 load index tyres on the golf?
Volkswagen puts 88 LI tyrers on the ED35 if you order it with 19".
From what I remember tyre pressure recommendations are +0.2 bar higher than for 225/40 R18 92Y.
Put 2.7 bar in and you are on the safer side.
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ok thanks Bruce and Danish, puts my mind at ease will stick with original plan
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ok thanks Bruce and Danish, puts my mind at ease will stick with original plan
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