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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: 182_blue on February 12, 2012, 08:38:08 am
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17001548
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O M G - Given her more recent history of substance abuse etc perhaps I shouldn't be surprised but that is a shock!
I remember first hearing her first song before it was a hit and telling everyone I knew about how good she was and no-one in the UK had heard of her. I saw her in concert a couple of times in the early days and she was truly awesome.
She used to be one of the very best female singers on the planet - Much better than on her commercial singles. Her voice put singers like Lady Gaga to shame! I don't dislike Lady Gaga but there is no comparison - It's like chalk and cheese.
R.i.P. - She brought a lot of pleasure to a lot of people in her heyday.
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I'm shocked but, shouldn't be as she was stil truely troubled! RIP to a true legend... A great talent and person wasted :sad1:
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saw this on another forum i go on, will never forget going to the pictures to see bodyguard, my mate who was a year younger than me wasnt old enough to get in, he had a massive crush on her, managed to get him in in the end tho
RIP
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That's right - She was so smouldering hot in "The Bodyguard" and her voice was at its peak then too. I had a crush on her too!!
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She went down hill after she met bobby brown.
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Very sad.
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Was bound to happen really. Just a matter of when, not if. Serious addiction to Class A drugs is bad mmmmmkay.
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She's about to star in her new film; The Bodybag...
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She's about to star in her new film; The Bodybag...
.... :laugh: Very witty but not very respectful :smiley:
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thought she was older than 48
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thought she was older than 48
....That's exactly why there's an element of shock or surprise at her death. But it's what heavy drugs do to you.
Another Rock-n-Roll casualty but, it has to be said, an awesome singer in her heyday.
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Yes I was shocked at her age but as said she went downhill when she met Bobby Brown and never really recovered. :sad1:
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Bobby bloody Brown! :fighting:
I bet that a lot of folks around the world will be pointing a finger of blame at Bobby Brown. He's obviously not entirely to blame but was definitely a very bad influence and in some way responsible morally.
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She's about to star in her new film; The Bodybag...
.... :laugh: Very witty but not very respectful :smiley:
Sorry, i don;t have respect for drug taking alcoholics who waste their lives :)
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She's about to star in her new film; The Bodybag...
.... :laugh: Very witty but not very respectful :smiley:
Sorry, i don;t have respect for drug taking alcoholics who waste their lives :)
....That's fair enough, Dom :smiley:.
I didn't have much respect for Amy Whinehouse, although I have more recently grown to appreciate her music.
ETTO = Each To Their Own :happy2:
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She's about to star in her new film; The Bodybag...
.... :laugh: Very witty but not very respectful :smiley:
Sorry, i don;t have respect for drug taking alcoholics who waste their lives :)
Yet another example of the lack of understanding and compassion that exists in society today.
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I know what you mean, Andrew, but it's a fine line sometimes.
I think it's probably best not to be so blatently honest in airing one's opinions about someone around the time of their death.
As always when someone dies, it's the relatives and close friends who should be given the maximum understanding and compassion to.
Did Whitney's relative Dionne Warwick sing on Jonothong Woss last night?
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She's about to star in her new film; The Bodybag...
.... :laugh: Very witty but not very respectful :smiley:
Sorry, i don;t have respect for drug taking alcoholics who waste their lives :)
Yet another example of the lack of understanding and compassion that exists in society today.
No just another example as RR said ETTO... and apologies to any of her relatives and close friends on this forum ...
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Ill admit i have no compassion for any drug addict, unless they have been forced with no choice into it through some form of crime syndicate, ie illegal brothels etc
Smack funds terrorism and crime.
Terrorism and crime ruin innocent peoples lives and in the more extremes end innocent peoples lives.
Therefore in my eyes, (irrelevant of the reason they started taking drugs, unless forced into it), they have had a hand in the death of many innocent people through terrorism and organised crime syndicates.
Yes she was a great singer and artist, just as Amy Winehouse was, but how many thousands of pounds did they pump into crime/terrorism in their time.
The only compassion i have is that her son has been left without a mother much earlier than it should have been
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Oh yes, I forgot about her son. How old is he?
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Sorry, i don;t have respect for drug taking alcoholics who waste their lives :)
I challenge anyone who diagrees to travel somewhere like the middle east or africa and witness true poverty. Then try and feel sorry for a multi millionaire with everything you could want
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Ill admit i have no compassion for any drug addict, unless they have been forced with no choice into it through some form of crime syndicate, ie illegal brothels etc
Smack funds terrorism and crime.
Terrorism and crime ruin innocent peoples lives and in the more extremes end innocent peoples lives.
Therefore in my eyes, (irrelevant of the reason they started taking drugs, unless forced into it), they have had a hand in the death of many innocent people through terrorism and organised crime syndicates.
Yes she was a great singer and artist, just as Amy Winehouse was, but how many thousands of pounds did they pump into crime/terrorism in their time.
The only compassion i have is that her son has been left without a mother much earlier than it should have been
Couldn't have put it better myself Sy, here, here.! :notworthy:
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Ill admit i have no compassion for any drug addict, unless they have been forced with no choice into it through some form of crime syndicate, ie illegal brothels etc
What about people who are addicted to prescription drugs, antidepressants or sleeping pills for example?
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Ill admit i have no compassion for any drug addict, unless they have been forced with no choice into it through some form of crime syndicate, ie illegal brothels etc
What about people who are addicted to prescription drugs, antidepressants or sleeping pills for example?
....Some people have a highly addictive trait in their character. Like Saintsteve and Bourbon biscuits, for example.
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....Some people have a highly addictive trait in their character. Like Saintsteve and Bourbon biscuits, for example.
:congrats: :signLOL:
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Ill admit i have no compassion for any drug addict, unless they have been forced with no choice into it through some form of crime syndicate, ie illegal brothels etc
Smack funds terrorism and crime.
Terrorism and crime ruin innocent peoples lives and in the more extremes end innocent peoples lives.
Therefore in my eyes, (irrelevant of the reason they started taking drugs, unless forced into it), they have had a hand in the death of many innocent people through terrorism and organised crime syndicates.
Yes she was a great singer and artist, just as Amy Winehouse was, but how many thousands of pounds did they pump into crime/terrorism in their time.
The only compassion i have is that her son has been left without a mother much earlier than it should have been
Couldn't have put it better myself Sy, here, here.! :notworthy:
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Sorry, i don;t have respect for drug taking alcoholics who waste their lives :)
I challenge anyone who diagrees to travel somewhere like the middle east or africa and witness true poverty. Then try and feel sorry for a multi millionaire with everything you could want
Ah, I forgot money was the solution to all problems :stupid:
I have a lot of sympathy (and understanding) for the people who get caught up in drug use. It seems a common misconception that people are just naturally strong, and that in times of serious misfortune, or in Houston's case, the trappings and extreme pressure of fame (and money in that respect is irrelevant), that they'll rise above it and find another way to cope.
The people who push drugs are really who you should be blaming, not the weak people who are ultimately destroyed by them.
That's my liberal opinion anyway.
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She's about to star in her new film; The Bodybag...
.... :laugh: Very witty but not very respectful :smiley:
Sorry, i don;t have respect for drug taking alcoholics who waste their lives :)
Here we go again a respectable thread about an obviously talented person who quite obviously lost their way.
Not everybody is perfect and again, like the Amy Winehouse thread of the same nature, some pretty horrible comments.
If you have nothing good to say about the troubled and dead its best not to say anything.
The title of the thread is R.I.P Whitney Houston, not rip into her for her faults now she is dead!
I am, quite literally, astounded! :sad1:
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I thought people were entitled to an opinion?
I share the same thoughts, with reference to absolutely no respect for her after she got herself intro drugs.
Yes its a shame. It was a wasted talent. Nobody has disputed that. As for respect...........well. She lost respect for herself a long time ago, so why should anyone else have any for her?
After all, it wasnt like she got into drugs recently. You can go back at least 15 years. If she couldnt take heed of the warning signs back then..............
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Er.... Folks aren't going to ever completely agree on this, so let's all put our opinions (which we are all most definitely fully entitled to) aside and just remember that Whitney Houston was once a very good singer and performer and R. I. P.
Otherwise this thread just becomes an argument which is extremely unlikely to resolve itself. Forum arguments can be fun but this is hardly a fun subject.
If you don't have it in your hearts to give Whitney Houston some respect for the singer she once was, at least give this R.I.P. thread some respect please.
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Nicely put Robin. :happy2:
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Thankyou Mr Robin.
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Who Is Whitney Houston??? :confused:
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Body guard is on now ITV2 or +1 :wink:
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Very well put Robin If she was here to defend herself against all these bad comments then it would be a different story but as she has just recently passed away have a little respect for someone that was so talented in the music world. Nobody is perfect and nobody can say they have never made a mistake regardless of how big the mistake. I'm not trying to start another argument i'm just saying that everybody can lose their way so easily but find it so hard to find the right road again.
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I think it's a huge shame she's gone purely because a huge talent is no more. Put all your lady gagas and britney spears etc together and they come not even close to matching her talent.
With regards to the drug use aspect, I myself don't have much patience for it but what I will say is it's hard for any of us to have a proper grasp of what she would have been going thru and experiencing to start down that path.
Imagine in life where by you cannot seem to go any further because you have done it all, you have everything and have a guy for that a guy for this. Everything in the real world has been conquered and it may all seem down hill from there. It's out inate need to go further and "the struggle" that makes us what we are I guess and if all that has gone because you have it all or have done it, surely that's a very bizarre and scary prospect.
Until or if we experience that, we wont know ourselves but im sure it's break down material? It must be! And it probably explain why some of the great talents go down this route. There's nothing to keep their mind stimulated in the real world and that drug route will always be not too far away in the mind of someone like that. I might be talking Crap and I'm not excusing drug use but possibly a hazy insight into why creative and talented minds set off down the slippery slope of drugs?
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I think it's a huge shame she's gone purely because a huge talent is no more.
I know what you mean but the talent had been lost years ago, in effect we have lost nothing.
I said the same about Winehouse, its not a shame that she (amy and whitney) passed away, its a shame that she took a skip full of drugs and couldn't survive without them thus ruining the only thing they had to offer, i.e there voice/music.
NOW... if Whitney was still banging out the high notes and filling stadiums all around the globe... her death would be more of a shame. IMO (of course)
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Jay, are you for one minute suggesting that life isn't black and white?!
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"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view...until you climb into his skin and walk around in it"
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I think it's a huge shame she's gone purely because a huge talent is no more.
I know what you mean but the talent had been lost years ago, in effect we have lost nothing.
I said the same about Winehouse, its not a shame that she (amy and whitney) passed away, its a shame that she took a skip full of drugs and couldn't survive without them thus ruining the only thing they had to offer, i.e there voice/music.
NOW... if Whitney was still banging out the high notes and filling stadiums all around the globe... her death would be more of a shame. IMO (of course)
Well put, was just thinking how I could word my reply, could not have done a better job. :congrats:
On another less tastefull note my mate Tim chose her in this years celebrity death list for 2012 and just scooped £310 in a local celebrity deathlist sweep (I dont take part), I only found out she died when he told me he just won £310, I asked how and he said "Whitney Died", I was confused for a moment until it was explained.
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If he had Michael Jackson down for last year I'd start checking his movements.
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He has never won before in it apparently and he has been entering it for about 10 years i think, they asked me to join around 10 years back but I declined as I dont do "Celebrities" and dont watch the news (have not watched the news for about 20 years, its usually depressing so I dont bother!)
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BTW, it sounds like prescription drugs were the cause of death.
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BTW, it sounds like prescription drugs were the cause of death.
....Possibly, as they were found around her bathtub where she died. But it will take a couple of months before this can be confirmed.
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This is kind of why I'm glad I can't afford not to work. Too much money and free time can go wrong.... Which is a shame as it really shouldn't be able to.
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BTW, it sounds like prescription drugs were the cause of death.
Quick, somebody find the doctor who prescribed them and arrest him!!! :confused:
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BTW, it sounds like prescription drugs were the cause of death.
Quick, somebody find the doctor who prescribed them and arrest him!!! :confused:
My point was more linked to Sy's accusations of supporting terrorism through Cocaine use.
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BTW, it sounds like prescription drugs were the cause of death.
Quick, somebody find the doctor who prescribed them and arrest him!!! :confused:
My point was more linked to Sy's accusations of supporting terrorism through Cocaine use.
It wasn't a dig at you dude, just the American Blame culture! :happy2:
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Was wrong about the cause of death
She was still a crack addict though,
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BTW, it sounds like prescription drugs were the cause of death.
Quick, somebody find the doctor who prescribed them and arrest him!!! :confused:
Worked with the death of MJ.
She was an addict, plain and simple. Doesnt really mattery what type of drugs she took. She had a massively addictive personality it appears.
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.....plain and simple
It isn't though, that's what people don't seem to realise!
For example, following the death of my brother 8 years ago my parents started taking sleeping pills. It was the only way they could find to get them through those terrible first months and years after his death. It became their coping mechanism. My Father is a Barrister and my Mother is a GP, so although they work under a fair amount of pressure day-to-day, they are educated people, and financially speaking they have no problems.
But, they've been left mentally ravished by something that happened to someone they loved, and despite all the help money can buy, they are still left with dreams that will haunt them until their death.
My point is that each case is different, and you're a fool if you simply class an addict as an addict without truly understanding the circumstances that led to their addiction.
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Andrew, sorry for the loss.
Ive said all i need to say on this matter.
I dont think she deserves the media attention she is getting. She hasnt done anything of note really for at least 20 years, and really had a short lived peak of a career. Adele got as many grammys in one night at the weekend that Whitney did in her entire music career.
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Did she sing??? :confused:
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.....plain and simple
It isn't though, that's what people don't seem to realise!
For example, following the death of my brother 8 years ago my parents started taking sleeping pills. It was the only way they could find to get them through those terrible first months and years after his death. It became their coping mechanism. My Father is a Barrister and my Mother is a GP, so although they work under a fair amount of pressure day-to-day, they are educated people, and financially speaking they have no problems.
But, they've been left mentally ravished by something that happened to someone they loved, and despite all the help money can buy, they are still left with dreams that will haunt them until their death.
My point is that each case is different, and you're a fool if you simply class an addict as an addict without truly understanding the circumstances that led to their addiction.
....Although every single case is different, I know something of how your parents must feel - My 4yo boy died in my arms. But my reaction was to totally give up all alcohol and smokin the weed. Such tragedies don't always lead to addiction, nor do they necessarily mentally ravish you. Your parents need to accept that death is inevitable for all of us and there is no guarantee of longevity - The sooner they can do this and dwell instead on the happier memories of when your bro was alive, the better. Hopefully they no longer take sleeping pills or anything else.
I hope my words don't make you think I'm not sorry for your family's loss - How could I not be?
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Not at all, but what you said supports my point. Some people are strong, some people aren't. You can't condem someone for having an addictive personality, it's how they were built. I don't believe that anyone chooses to be an addict.
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Not at all, but what you said supports my point. Some people are strong, some people aren't. You can't condem someone for having an addictive personality, it's how they were built. I don't believe that anyone chooses to be an addict.
....I agree. I think that some people can have addictive personalities. We all have human weaknesses. I'm not saying that having such weaknesses excuses us from how we behave though.
The question then comes down to how tolerant we are of others who appear weaker than ourselves.
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