MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: chungster on April 28, 2009, 04:14:55 pm
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SFS Performance recently posted up a request (on another forum), for a 2.0T guinea pig, to test the Turbo Hose kit they have developed for the 2.0T FSI.
Thinking of all the freebies and whatever people like RR have got over the years, I didn't hang about and put my name forward! :jumping:
And today was the day we decided to do the test.
Idea was to put the car on a dyno with the stock pipes, then fit the new hoses, and do a final dyno run to see if any actual bhp gains would be achieved. Car stayed in Revo map tune, with B6 T5 F9 settings.
The dyno place selected by Anthony @ SFS was Advanced ME in Bletchley (also called Marlin Motor Factors). They use a MAHA LPS 3000 dyno, and I know Dan at this place as my car was there on a dyno day back in 2007. And so he recognised me when i turned up.
Car on the dyno for first run.
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Then we had to put the hoses on. Unfortunately no ramp was available, so it was out with the trolley jack and do it the old fashion way i suppose! (I say we but really it was Anthony and Dan getting their hands dirty while i just observed lol)
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The 2 new SFS Silicon hoses.
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The Turbo to Intercooler hose
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Intercooler to Throttle Body hose (SFS version is much bigger with no flattening (at the moment) so should aid flow!)
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Pipes now fitted.
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now I say the pipe has no compression at the moment like the OEM version. But Anthony @ SFS will change the design of it slightly to incorporate a wee bit of compression as the IC / TB pipe is a bit too close to the radiator fan for his liking!
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So Dan used the classic mechanic's best friend to fix it at the moment - Cable tie! - to pull it towards the engine block a little to give it a bit more room.
Final result?
An amazing 10bhp gain at the top end, and spool up is quicker by 200 rpm, compared against the stock pipes. :jumping:
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Stock pipe figures - 231 bhp, 276 lb/ft torque (I've had 227 bhp on a DD roller, and 237bhp on a Dimtek roller)
SFS pipe figures - 241 bhp, 281 lb/ft torque
I don't know how much the hoses will be yet but it should be a lot cheaper than the Neuspeed version.
But for those who may be unsure about upgrading the stock hoses to some performance silicon ones, this test might just make you think again. :happy2:
Many Thanks to Anthony @ SFS and Dan @ Advanced ME for doing all this. :drinking:
btw, if anyone is thinking of ordering this from SFS, mention my forum name and you can get a nice 25% discount on it.
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wow very impressive, could be a cheap mod for the future! is it just KO4 cars or will it go on a KO3 aswell? :smiley:
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wow very impressive, could be a cheap mod for the future! is it just KO4 cars or will it go on a KO3 aswell? :smiley:
my car has the K03s turbo (200ps) version. I'm not sure if this kit will fit the ED30 / K04 based cars, but i think its slightly different as Anthony mentioned about being worried if i had the ED30 lol.
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dunno why i thought you had an ed30 after reading that and seeing the pics :rolleye:
10bhp is very good then on the ko3, i could see upto 270 :party: gimmi gimmi gimmi :party:
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dunno why i thought you had an ed30 after reading that and seeing the pics :rolleye:
10bhp is very good then on the ko3, i could see upto 270 :party: gimmi gimmi gimmi :party:
25% discount too if you fancy the kit. It was supposed to be for another forum but I asked if it could be extended to another mk5 forum i use lol.
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so what price are they?
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so what price are they?
£249+VAT per their online shop.
Less 25% discount = £215 inc VAT.
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Great gains and great pricing, do you know if they'll slot into an S3 'cooler easily enough???
Just thinking about the future :wink:
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Great gains and great pricing, do you know if they'll slot into an S3 'cooler easily enough???
Just thinking about the future :wink:
I'll ask Anthony for ya, but if the stock pipes don't fit an S3 IC, then these won't. They'll have to do a seperate kit for them.
But the fitting was easy tho on mine. Anthony was saying it could be done on people's driveway as front bumper removal is not necessary. Just need the right tools for it!
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I've got SAMCO+Neuspeed on both Charge and Discharge routes on mine but all I noticed was freer running.
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the theory is sound I reckon , my questions are this
1 : I would need to see 3 runs for before/after tbh to see a difference I could believe. did you only do one each?
preferably even going back to stock pipes to prove the gains are then lost again :innocent:
The graphs look very promising though :happy2:
2 : It would have been easier for VW to follow the same idea , but they actively chose not to, so why make it 2 pieces of pipe and a rigid (flow reduced section) ?
John
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the theory is sound I reckon , my questions are this
1 : I would need to see 3 runs for before/after tbh to see a difference I could believe. did you only do one each?
preferably even going back to stock pipes to prove the gains are then lost again :innocent:
The graphs look very promising though :happy2:
2 : It would have been easier for VW to follow the same idea , but they actively chose not to, so why make it 2 pieces of pipe and a rigid (flow reduced section) ?
John
John,
We did indeed do 3 runs before and after.
The 3 runs pre, were all ranged from 227 to 231.
The after runs were were all above 231, but the first pull was the 241. runs 2 and 3 went down a bit, but car was getting hot and intake temps went above 60 degrees i think per OBD measurement.
OEM pipes are always about cost effectiveness - mass produce simple solution at cheapest cost.
but when they took it off, i can defo see why SFS/Samco/Forge/VF-E/Neuspeed all decided to have an aftermarket replacement done for those who wish to run extra boost and improve the performance of the car. Hose diameter is bigger, and less kinks/compression. Logic dictates this should help airflow!
I can't knock what the Dyno says on this occasion. It was about an hour between the before/after runs. Dyno settings was not changed as no one else went on in that time. So to see it pull those improved numbers surprised me as well.
It's still way off the 250 bhp REVO claims tho for Stage 1 mind you, but that's a totally different matter.
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Yes, I seem to remember JKM telling me there was a reason for the aluminium section of pipe near the belt.
Fixing a silicone turbo pipe away by relying on only a cable tie does not inspire me with confidence tbh. A cable tie can become brittle and snap.
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Yes, I seem to remember JKM telling me there was a reason for the aluminium section of pipe near the belt.
Fixing a silicone turbo pipe away by relying on only a cable tie does not inspire me with confidence tbh. A cable tie can become brittle and snap.
well it wasn't touching the fan, but it was a bit close due to the constant 3" i think diameter of the pipe all the way from IC to TB.
I'm sure SFS will rejig the design to give it a bit more room. The Cable tie will last a while. if it breaks, i'll just fit another one!
But don't think the kit will come with a cable tie as part of the kit! this was just a solution for my car due to testing the initial design!
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Nice gains there fella! :happy2:
A very reasonable price, shame it doesn't fit the K04! :sad:
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ah good news chungster :happy2:
if they can fix that issue and make it more robust then they have more than a few K04 owners waiting in the wings to buy... :jumping:
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ah good news chungster :happy2:
if they can fix that issue and make it more robust then they have more than a few K04 owners waiting in the wings to buy... :jumping:
will past the message on. :wink:
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Great gains and great pricing, do you know if they'll slot into an S3 'cooler easily enough???
Just thinking about the future :wink:
I'll ask Anthony for ya, but if the stock pipes don't fit an S3 IC, then these won't. They'll have to do a seperate kit for them.
But the fitting was easy tho on mine. Anthony was saying it could be done on people's driveway as front bumper removal is not necessary. Just need the right tools for it!
I seem to think, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, that if you've removed the plastic/metal sections of the OEM pipes, then the only difference is the presentation on the S3's intercooler.
i.e. it has metal sleeves you clamp a hose onto, rather than a 'female' end of the OEM style coupler to accept the 'male' end and spring clip.
So, if you removed the coupler from the SFS hoses on the intercooler end, and hoping there's enough length, you should be able to just clamp them onto an S3 'cooler?? This assumes the inlet/outlet is in the same position as the GTI 'cooler, so you don't have to bend/reposition the SFS hose.
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hey thats my bug :signLOL:
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hey thats my bug :signLOL:
Hey, I hadn't even clocked that! Nice oval, get a "my other cars" thread up :happy2:
My first car was a '67 (sloping headlight) 1500 ragtop, 17th birthday gift in bits and built it with my Dad. Swapped it for a Bay camper and went travelling in it at 18... great days.
Back on topic, Lee - do you know if I ordered a set now they'd be the revised version with the kink/dent for the fan clearance?
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hey thats my bug :signLOL:
Hey, I hadn't even clocked that! Nice oval, get a "my other cars" thread up :happy2:
My first car was a '67 (sloping headlight) 1500 ragtop, 17th birthday gift in bits and built it with my Dad. Swapped it for a Bay camper and went travelling in it at 18... great days.
Back on topic, Lee - do you know if I ordered a set now they'd be the revised version with the kink/dent for the fan clearance?
check other rids thread :signLOL: there is a splitty in that pic too on the left
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a splitty or a sh*tty? :laugh:
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a splitty or a sh*tty? :laugh:
its a sh1tty spiltty :P
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That oval is simply delicious, stinking great motor too. Love it.
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bit of a thread resurection here but is there a a specific reason part of the oem discharge pipe as well as the neuspeed uprated version are made of metal
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where as SFS are non stop silicone. like the look of it but slightly dubious
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Great gains and great pricing, do you know if they'll slot into an S3 'cooler easily enough???
Just thinking about the future :wink:
I'll ask Anthony for ya, but if the stock pipes don't fit an S3 IC, then these won't. They'll have to do a seperate kit for them.
But the fitting was easy tho on mine. Anthony was saying it could be done on people's driveway as front bumper removal is not necessary. Just need the right tools for it!
I seem to think, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, that if you've removed the plastic/metal sections of the OEM pipes, then the only difference is the presentation on the S3's intercooler.
i.e. it has metal sleeves you clamp a hose onto, rather than a 'female' end of the OEM style coupler to accept the 'male' end and spring clip.
So, if you removed the coupler from the SFS hoses on the intercooler end, and hoping there's enough length, you should be able to just clamp them onto an S3 'cooler?? This assumes the inlet/outlet is in the same position as the GTI 'cooler, so you don't have to bend/reposition the SFS hose.
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not only does the inlet/outlet position need to be the same, but even though the S3 IC is bigger the inlet/outlet diameter is smaller than the gti/ed30/cupra.
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Fitting this at home on your drive isn't going to be easy at all unless you have all the right tools and have experience in such work. Look what happened to illyun!
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fitting what, the S3 IC or the hoses. the hoses ahouldnt be hard to fit as long as you have your car raised enough on ramps and is chocked.
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Its nowhere near as difficult as Illyun made it look, :laugh: as long as you have common sense then even you and i could carry it off Robin. :chicken: :wink:
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fitting what, the S3 IC or the hoses. the hoses ahouldnt be hard to fit as long as you have your car raised enough on ramps and is chocked.
....Sorry, I meant the S3 i/c but I probably couldn't manage the hoses either!
Its nowhere near as difficult as Illyun made it look, :laugh: as long as you have common sense then even you and i could carry it off Robin. :chicken: :wink:
....You don't know how really useless I am at such things, TC!
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not only does the inlet/outlet position need to be the same, but even though the S3 IC is bigger the inlet/outlet diameter is smaller than the gti/ed30/cupra.
Yes, you're right - I hadn't thought....
The GTI cooler's inlet/outlets are the "female" end and have a bigger O/D - the S3's inlet/outlet is the opposite, so the "male" end, as you're clamping a pipe onto them, so a smaller O/D. Assuming the pipework is the same bore, which I'm sure it will be.
That'll save someone some fuss! Thanks.
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you can see here the issues of the IC/TB hose being to close to the RAD fan.
Intercooler to Throttle Body hose (SFS version is much bigger with no flattening (at the moment) so should aid flow!)
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Pipes now fitted.
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have spoken to SFS and dubtek who stocks deals with SFS, and they have confirmed that the issue with the intercooler/throttle pipe being to fat has been solved.
From Dubtek
"they did modify their original kit so it now has a flat spot running down past the rad fan".
also said
"We've added a second security measure to the kit in the way of a big p clip which wraps round the hose and attaches to the block. The point where this is is where its nearest to the fan, and in 8000 miles of use its caused us no rubbing/chaffing at all"
good news.
I have my reservations slightly about the metal turbo discharge section being completely removed and replaced by silicone, but Dubtek and chungster have had these on for ages so they must be fine.
Im pretty keen on getting these. I think with their design the gains will be marginally more over the neuspeed Discharge and charge pipes, which are also more expensive i think.
what do you guys think
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i have these hoses coming next week for my GTi, whoop whoop :smiley:
i'll be fitting them in the new year, would a tweak on my APR map be required do you think?
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i have these hoses coming next week for my GTi, whoop whoop :smiley:
i'll be fitting them in the new year, would a tweak on my APR map be required do you think?
Did you get them from dubtek? I shall be ordering mine in the new year aswell.
do you have the ability to do logs etc. if so it'd be interetsing to see how it allows your car to build up boost quicker. will you be fitting them your self?
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could be worthwhile to have a tweak. how much is it dfor a tweak?
that why revo is good with the select plus plus, as you can tune it to make use of new mods.
im getting my map tweaked in the new year to max the output with the cat back, IC and hoses as that was in the original price
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SFS is my sponsor mate, so i get all hosing direct from them, the ancillay hoses etc.. will be coming also
i will be fitting them myself mate yh, so i will get a load of fitment pics etc....i will also sort out with awesome GTi to get a map tweak and see what the out come is with these hoses..
thanks for the reply
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I have my reservations slightly about the metal turbo discharge section being completely removed and replaced by silicone, but Dubtek and chungster have had these on for ages so they must be fine.
Im pretty keen on getting these. I think with their design the gains will be marginally more over the neuspeed Discharge and charge pipes, which are also more expensive i think.
what do you guys think
....In terms of performance I'm very disappointed with the Neuspeed Discharge and Charge pipes (and I added SAMCO hoses as well!). They are relatively expensive and all I experienced was a freer revving engine - I guess there must be some benefit to my efficiency.
Apparently the Mk4 Golfs were famous for bursting their hoses on the turbo line, so at least it's greatly improving durability. I can't say I'm impressed that SFS missed the potential fan damage problem and, although ok on Dubtek and chungster's cars, I'm unsure about changing from the two hard material sections. It's weird: There's cold analytical decision and irrational gut feeling.
I couldn't recommend that someone doesn't change to the SFS product though.
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robin in you read reply#1 you'll read that STS were going to change the IC pipe to a flatter design, and then in reply #31 you will read that they have changed it to a narrower design, and now include another P clip to secure it to the block and ensure no chance of fouling the fans. Dubtek has had these on his car for a long time with no issues at all.
Considering these are £200 for the pair that is incredible value for money, especially as chungster saw and felt some pretty big gains in comparison to what people with the much more expensive neuspeed varients have.
Carl(mater) dyno'd his after fitting the neuspeed discharge pipe and made 5bhp, but made nothing when fitting the TB/IC hose
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I'm unsure about changing from the two hard material sections. It's weird: There's cold analytical decision and irrational gut feeling
thast my only bug bear with this!! they might well have put this in due to the mk4's always blowing turbo pipes. After market ones will be good though.
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robin in you read reply#1 you'll read that STS were going to change the IC pipe to a flatter design, and then in reply #31 you will read that they have changed it to a narrower design, and now include another P clip to secure it to the block and ensure no chance of fouling the fans. Dubtek has had these on his car for a long time with no issues at all.
....Yes, I understood that SFS revised their design to stop it fouling the fans. My comment was that I wasn't impressed that they missed this in the first place - It doesn't reflect a very thorough approach IMO as it's something which is very obvious even to an inexpert naked eye. But all is well that ends well.
Considering these are £200 for the pair that is incredible value for money, especially as chungster saw and felt some pretty big gains in comparison to what people with the much more expensive neuspeed varients have.
Carl(mater) dyno'd his after fitting the neuspeed discharge pipe and made 5bhp, but made nothing when fitting the TB/IC hose
....Price shouldn't have anything to do with assessing how well a product works - If they were free of charge and still had the fan issue which is now solved, would you still put them on your car? - I think not. They are without doubt extremely good VFM and I am one of those who spent considerable money on the Neuspeed solution (plus expensive SAMCO hoses) to gain nothing measurable in performance.
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to be blunt, who actually cares if they had a slight issue on the prototype. they dont have an issue on the finished product?
Its research and development, hence after their test fit on chungsters they changed it. that was the whole point of asking for a volunteer to be a guinea pig. They didnt just put it out to the market with this issue.
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to be blunt, who actually cares if they had a slight issue on the prototype. they dont have an issue on the finished product?
Its research and development, hence after their test fit on chungsters they changed it. that was the whole point of asking for a volunteer to be a guinea pig. They didnt just put it out to the market with this issue.
....I would have expected a product to be virtually finalised before being asked to be a guinea-pig and consequently potentially putting myself or car at risk.
But I see your point and had missed the extent of guinea-pig-ness which chungster willingly subjected himself to.
Anyway, the good thing is that the finished SFS offering is being shown to work very well and is even good VFM as well.
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^^^^ spot on and what i was going to write also. (damn RR managed to put a post in before me....i'm refering to vRSy's post)
They didn't have a GTI themselves for R&D. They took the OEM pipe, said "ooooh I can make a full phat one and see how that goes", hence then the request for a guinea pig (and as they were local to me i put my car forward for it)
SFS saw eventual space issue, but also the diff it made on the Rollers.
They went back, did some minor changes, and the final product was released to the public with no rad fan problems (as Dubtek have said as he ran the revised one for a good few months with no issues)
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I'm sure the theory on removing the metal sections is flow dynamics. The fewer obstructions, joints, changes in bore size, the smoother and more efficient the flow. I can see why this SFS solution works and why it gives better results than the competition. You get faster spool with your pipes, the SFS ones likewise, in addition increasing power and torque because they have less loss over the length.
It's also worth noting that the MKV uses the same crap design of couplings the MKIV had, which blow past the O-rings - removing as many of these as possible can only be a good move.
I may be mis-reading this Robin, but it seems you're beating them down for openly admitting they revised their product in the early stages of pre-production before releasing a finished item ready for the open market? They've never sold 1 of the pipes with an issue to a customer, so what's the problem?
Chungsters was a test car, that's why you have test cars to shake things down and ensure it's right. SFS have been open and honest about their product evolution, I think that's better then trying to cover it up.
Milltek realised they had a design issue with their mounts snapping after full production had been released and fixed it, do you treat them with the same scepticism?
I also seem to remember you defending VWR to the hilt when one of their shortshift kits ballsed up because it hadn't been designed properly before full release.
You judge companies not by their faults, but by how they fix their faults.
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exactly right tony.
thats why i shall be buying them.
Its the turbo discharge pipe i am interested in most. but you can ponly buty them in pairs.
I plan on fitting water meth injection to my car by the end of next year, and want to get the nozzle fitted about halfway down the IC/TB pipe, so ideally i need a solid pipe.....which means the neuspeed pipe.
I think the biggest gains are going to be with the turbo discharge pipe anyway.
Who wants to swap their neuspeed IC/TB pipe for an SFS one when i get it.
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TD...have you just caught RR with his pants down?? :signLOL:
re: vRSy....I'd beg to differ on the discharge pipe making the most diff. I reckon its the IC>TB pipe actually...u can see how restrictive a flow the OEM pipe is compared to SFS's version.
But you need to be aware my gains were done with both pipes replaced, not just one.
I still have the SFS Turbo > IC pipe on the car along with OEM IC>TB pipe. But not been on any RR tho to see if that discharge pipe alone has made a diff compared to running OEM on both pipes previously. Could do it but i can't be bothered!! :laugh:
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I stand corrected :grin: and already said as much before your post, tony_d et al.
It's very easy to put a spin on things to suit a view and we all know how my enthusiasm and support for some companies, which I'm entitled to have, can put some people's backs up. But I'm not saying that SFS are rubbish and Neuspeed's or someone else's more expensive solution is better, am I.
Think of it another way, my much earlier criticism (since found to be mistaken) has served to highlight the SFS solution's strengths for all and sundry to read.
Can we now stop Robin-bashing for today.
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I'm sure the theory on removing the metal sections is flow dynamics. The fewer obstructions, joints, changes in bore size, the smoother and more efficient the flow. I can see why this SFS solution works and why it gives better results than the competition. You get faster spool with your pipes, the SFS ones likewise, in addition increasing power and torque because they have less loss over the length.
It's also worth noting that the MKV uses the same crap design of couplings the MKIV had, which blow past the O-rings - removing as many of these as possible can only be a good move.
....Damn you, Mike! Now you've explained the benefits I'm regretting my ineffective Neuspeed solution. However, throwing more money at this particular mod simply isn't worth my while. We all make mistakes.
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it would be if you factor in the money you would get back when selling the neuspeed discharge pipe and IC/TB pipe.
Ive seen second hand sets go for more than £250 for the two(which is still cheap in comparison to the new price of them)
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it would be if you factor in the money you would get back when selling the neuspeed discharge pipe and IC/TB pipe.
Ive seen second hand sets go for more than £250 for the two(which is still cheap in comparison to the new price of them)
....Very good point, Sy. I suppose I'd have to use the dreaded eBay as no-one here will want them in preference to the SFS.
Someone was actually looking for some in the Wanted area IIRC.
Hmm.. That front mounted intercooler might come earlier than anticipated.
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I may be mis-reading this Robin, but it seems you're beating them down for openly admitting they revised their product in the early stages of pre-production before releasing a finished item ready for the open market? They've never sold 1 of the pipes with an issue to a customer, so what's the problem?
Chungsters was a test car, that's why you have test cars to shake things down and ensure it's right. SFS have been open and honest about their product evolution, I think that's better then trying to cover it up.
Milltek realised they had a design issue with their mounts snapping after full production had been released and fixed it, do you treat them with the same scepticism?
I also seem to remember you defending VWR to the hilt when one of their shortshift kits ballsed up because it hadn't been designed properly before full release.
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I have to say Robin you pulled your own pants down with this one, and you deserve something large and dry inserted. :laugh:
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I have to say Robin you pulled your own pants down with this one, and you deserve something large and dry inserted. :laugh:
....It happens to the best of us. At least I can laugh at myself. :happy2:
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Just spoke to a chap at SFS, he wasnt sure how the KO4 items would differ and asked if I could find out. He said he thinks it would be the Intercooler end, I think surely its the Turbo end?
Thanks in advance
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well for starters you have a different turbo, so if the discharge pipe is going to change then it will be there and not at the intercooler because you have the cupra and ED30 have the same IC as the K03. (S3 is the exception so that very well might change)
however the intercooler/throttle body pipe will be where the difference is. I believe there is a take off on K04 cars in that(k04 guys correct me if im wrong), but not on the K03.
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sounds to me that they are begging for a guinea pig there mike
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Having spent most of today chatting with Jim at JKM while he worked on my car, the convo turned to silicone - Not implants but hoses/piping. We discussed the whole turbo charge/discharge tract and he pointed out the importance of having the Nomex(?) section at the turbo end and silicone (just at the turbo union) in his opinion would not be up to the job longer term because of the heat.
Food for thought. Not trying to rubbish anything but just to share a consideration.
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Having spent most of today chatting with Jim at JKM while he worked on my car, the convo turned to silicone - Not implants but hoses/piping. We discussed the whole turbo charge/discharge tract and he pointed out the importance of having the Nomex(?) section at the turbo end and silicone (just at the turbo union) in his opinion would not be up to the job longer term because of the heat.
Food for thought. Not trying to rubbish anything but just to share a consideration.
Will mention this to SFS when the time comes cheers RR :drinking:
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My SFS Intercooler hoses arrived today, so I thought I'd post some pictures up. As you can see the cold side pipe has changed slightly to give more clearance behind the rad fans:
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get em fitted then, i want info lol
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get em fitted then, i want info lol
Hopefully that will be next weekend, gonna be removing the pre cat and fitting revision D divertor valve at the same time though.
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^^^^
I stand corrected :grin: and already said as much before your post, tony_d et al.
It's very easy to put a spin on things to suit a view and we all know how my enthusiasm and support for some companies, which I'm entitled to have, can put some people's backs up. But I'm not saying that SFS are rubbish and Neuspeed's or someone else's more expensive solution is better, am I.
Think of it another way, my much earlier criticism (since found to be mistaken) has served to highlight the SFS solution's strengths for all and sundry to read.
Can we now stop Robin-bashing for today.
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I'm sorry RR, ever since i saw that Topgear had the Reliant Robin (RR) in their first show this year i knew i had to do this when the oportunity came. I know it's and old reply from you but as i reread this tread i knew i couldn't resist :grin:
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They look nice!
How much were they in the end?
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My SFS Intercooler hoses arrived today, so I thought I'd post some pictures up. As you can see the cold side pipe has changed slightly to give more clearance behind the rad fans:
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KO3??
Cheers :happy2:
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They look nice!
How much were they in the end?
They were £249-25% forum discount IIRC.
Tfsi_Mike,
Yes, it's a K03 on a Octavia vRS.
I will hopefully stop be lazy and fit them this weekend
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Will this fit on a K03 with S3 interccoler?
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Will this fit on a K03 with S3 interccoler?
It may do but you will have to remove the couplers at the IC side. Try it at your own risk.
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No as the end tank couplers are designed for the original K03 IC.
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No as the end tank couplers are designed for the original K03 IC.
My response^^^ is based on the fact that by cutting the couplers off the oem hoses at the IC side, they (the hoses) will fit the S3 IC without issue.