MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Robo on February 14, 2012, 08:42:03 pm
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Has anyone got shark stage 3 on their edition 30 golf and how does it compare to revos stage 2+ looking into stage 1 at some point and can't decide between Revo or shark I have always based my ideas around revo stage 2+ so obviously if this is my long term goal then maybe it's worth going Revo stage 1 but a friend of mine recently had is car mapped at shark and he was mega impressed.
Also is anyone running sharks DSG software?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I dont want to have sharks stage 1 and DSG to later have to pay full price for revos stage 2+
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HeavyD on here has had both, probably the best person to ask.
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The guys who have had Shark with DSG seem to have strange occurances with gear changes and torque limiting. They might have been isolated incidents though
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I had Shark Stg 1 on K03 DSG.
Didn't work well with the DSG - weird torque lag post shift. I alerted Shark to my issue, and was told it was a DSG issue that could only be solved by a DSG remap.
Folk on here suggested it was an engine map issue, as no such problem was found with Revo (and others).
I put it to Shark that it was their map, and perhaps they might investigate. That discussion didn't go anywhere.
I now have Revo stg 1, and the DSG works fine.
If you fancy chancing that my case was isolated, then I have a Shark STS device you can buy for £90 and save yourself £60 on the full retail price. It is in as new condition.
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Well to put in bluntly, I had shark stage 3, and have now thrown that money away and gone back to Revo.
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Thanks for all the feedback guys think that has answered my question best get saving lol
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GoAPR :wink:
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I am :driver:
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Thanks for all the feedback guys think that has answered my question best get saving lol
It's a bu99er when my morals get in the way of trying to bank £90 and offload my STS device......!
Enjoy whatever you choose.
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I appreciate the honesty tho mate :happy2:
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News from Shark regarding stage 3 software on a golf will be coming very soon as they have been playing with Millteks Golf R and achieved very good results by all accounts.
The DSG remap is a requirement as the torque limiting on ED30's and S3's does prove a problem.
I appreciate this is a biased review but take from it what you will :happy2:
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Coming very soon??
I had 7 versions of it last year :confused:
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So if you have dsg and want thd shark map you also have to get dsg software! That makes an expensive map
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The DSG remap is a requirement as the torque limiting on ED30's and S3's does prove a problem.
My K03 hit the in-gear torque limit (not a problem in itself), but it was the post shift lag that frustrated. On a stock map, or Revo stage-1 I have not experienced the same post-shift lag annoyance.
As a slight aside, if g/s readings from the MAF are a fair comparison of torque and power, then on the Revo calibration my engine is producing more of both at any given point in the rev range. If anything the Revo cal' should be causing more gearbox woes than the Shark map did, but it is absolutely fine.
I wanted to be impressed with the Shark map, and wanted to try an alternative to the default Revo option - good to help the smaller companies and encourage competition. Sadly it proved a poor investment.
Maybe, just maybe I was sent the wrong map for my engine / gearbox combination, but whatever the situation my concerns weren't ever resolved or dealt with in what I'd consider an appropriate way.
So if you have dsg and want thd shark map you also have to get dsg software! That makes an expensive map
Which can't be applied by the STS as I understand things, so dictates a visit to Shark HQ or one of their agents. Limits the appeal to many I should imagine.
I had the option at the point of experiencing post-shift problems to stick with the Shark engine map and apply the DSG map to "cure" my issue. After the thread on this forum, and sniffing around elsewhere, I concluded that I shouldn't have a problem with just the stg-1 which in my mind threw the competence of Shark into question.
For the benefit of the OP, this is the thread in which the post-shift woes were discussed.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,36417.0.html
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It seems the same with Revo? You don't 'have' to haveit, but it gets the most out of the car. It isn't something I can do at the moment as I haven't got the tool, so not a requirement.
Taken from Revo website
DSG transmission performance software allows you to use the full potential of the engine, giving the control back to the driver. Hold onto the gear through that sweeping corner without the worry of the transmission shifting up and throwing out the balance of the car, have no worries about using full throttle and having the car jump about whilst shifting down for you… get back in full control with Revo DSG software.
Revo DSG software can be run on a standard car and it complements our full Revo Stage 1 ECU software.
HeavyD - your car was also a little poorly to be fair wasnt it?
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Well to be fair, my car ran fine before the shark remap :popcornsoda:
And with revo made 370lbft of torque without dsg map, no torque limiting there
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Revo stage 2+ worked well for me. :smiley:
Not seen a Shark mapped car do a sub 13 second 1/4 mile pass yet - although I do like to see sub 13 second passes on any car whatever the map.
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Revo stage 2+ worked well for me. :smiley:
Not seen a Shark mapped car do a sub 13 second 1/4 mile pass yet - although I do like to see sub 13 second passes on any car whatever the map.
Owen managed on GIAC ;)
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I managed a 14.0 and that's the best I could do
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I may be biased because we are Shark Performance dealers as well (Well, will be as of tomorrow) but I spend loads of time on all sorts of forums and a bad review about their software is very rare. I can't say the same for REVO. A lot of people on Audi Sport have switched to Shark, some have DSG as well and don't seem to have any problems.
I'm not saying REVO are no good, they haven't got were they are by making rubbish maps but my S3 has a stage 2 REVO map on and it isn't the best to be fair. I have been saying that since well before I even spoke to Ben@Shark by the way :smiley:
I've driven a lot of remapped cars and mine has had loads of hesitation problems. Now that could be down to a deeper lying problem with the car being highlighted. We will find out tomorrow when I get the stage 3 Shark map put on :grin:
As for the DSG problems, it seems that some cars take to the Shark maps and have no problems but not the REVO & vice versa. Just goes to show that every car is different.
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APR has done a 12.7. Ooooft! :P
Their golf R eould do a low 12, id bet my children on it!
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I have itfrom Saturday until the 10th March whilst they fettle with my car.
Can't bloody wait to drive the R. What's the full chassis/engine spec?
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All tuners do their thing. :smiley: do you guys think at any of the major tuners are REALLY bad for our cars (too much ot lose) :happy2: ? They all do things different , I would be suprised if any of the big players did any damage to the golf mk5/6 engine.
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I have itfrom Saturday until the 10th March whilst they fettle with my car.
Can't bloody wait to drive the R. What's the full chassis/engine spec?
full stage 2 plus, AST coilovers, arbs and haldex controller. Its a hoot, goes over roundabouts as if they dont exist
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All tuners do their thing. :smiley: do you guys think at any of the major tuners are REALLY bad for our cars (too much ot lose) :happy2: ? They all do things different , I would be suprised if any of the big players did any damage to the golf mk5/6 engine.
you would be surprised, but im not allowed to talk about that :wink:
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All tuners do their thing. :smiley: do you guys think at any of the major tuners are REALLY bad for our cars (too much ot lose) :happy2: ? They all do things different , I would be suprised if any of the big players did any damage to the golf mk5/6 engine.
you would be surprised, but im not allowed to talk about that :wink:
Come on spill the beans then :popcornsoda:
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I would say revo own 60% of the market for vag hence the few more complaints and issues compared to say shark
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APR has done a 12.7. Ooooft! :P
To be fair though Poverty, there is no proof of that 12.78 other than a random post on a forum - fair play if its a genuine time, but remember the lad said was running proper drag slicks to get a lightning 60 foot time (fastest I have seen on a MK2 LC). Also, his 114mph terminal has been beaten by several REVO cars too even though they got a slower launch which indicates to me that the APR won't be any faster :smiley:
Also remember that there was a lot of hype about the GIAC Extreme map when it came out, but having seen, logged, driven and raced against one a lot more than once I know which map I would sooner have between it and REVO too - and it to give a clue as to which one that is, it ain't GIAC.
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Im glad ive seen this thread, because i get a annoying pause on full WOT from my dsg car. i thought this was normal :ashamed:
I currently have revo stage one and revo dsg stage one. Could i have the wrong map loaded on my car? :sad1:
I would love to get rid of this.
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APR has done a 12.7. Ooooft! :P
To be fair though Poverty, there is no proof of that 12.78 other than a random post on a forum - fair play if its a genuine time, but remember the lad said was running proper drag slicks to get a lightning 60 foot time (fastest I have seen on a MK2 LC). Also, his 114mph terminal has been beaten by several REVO cars too even though they got a slower launch which indicates to me that the APR won't be any faster :smiley:
Also remember that there was a lot of hype about the GIAC Extreme map when it came out, but having seen, logged, driven and raced against one a lot more than once I know which map I would sooner have between it and REVO too - and it to give a clue as to which one that is, it ain't GIAC.
No doubts about the performance of the Revo map I did have it for 18 months myself remember. But my mates jabba car who was only a little slower than my Revo k1, was slower than the haldex apr demo car even though now he's running a fully stripped interior, lightweight seats and lightweight buckets. He's got the APR map loaded to his now and he's really pleased, said he's gained loads top end just like in my review.
The APR demo car is there for anyone to try so it's all transparent, don't take my word for it have a go, obviously in your case it would be a little difficult.
We are all gonna be going to the pod soon anyways so will be interesting to see what times my mates car will do.
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Well, im inclined to agree with Poverty.
This car easily has a low 12 second 1/4mile time.
Keith left the Racelogic performance box in the car so we went and tried a 0-60.
0-60 in 4.1seconds :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
But that was from a carriageway layby with lock on the wheel to get out! But most importantly that was with 3 people and full leathger interior. And Mike will back me up, it was a slight incline as well.
This car has a sub 4second 0-60 sprint im 100% certain of it.
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Well, im inclined to agree with Poverty.
This car easily has a low 12 second 1/4mile time.
Keith left the Racelogic performance box in the car so we went and tried a 0-60.
0-60 in 4.1seconds :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
But that was from a carriageway layby with lock on the wheel to get out! But most importantly that was with 3 people and full leathger interior. And Mike will back me up, it was a slight incline as well.
This car has a sub 4second 0-60 sprint im 100% certain of it.
Hahah told you guys it was quick!
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I always said id take a Scirocco R over a Golf R. I think this has changed my mind.
Some strange understeer/oversteer characteristics though!!
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thats the haldex doin its thing, once you get used to it you can exploit it, traction off though :smiley:
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Thought id boot it around a corner car started to understeer alot. reduced the throttle, straightened the steering wheel then it power slid around the bend. Wasnt expecting it to be honest. Expected alot more initial grip.
Was easy to catch though once it happened
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I await the post from janner asking how to remove a Golf R from a hedge. :signLOL:
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:driver: :driver:
Not happening mate. I drive like miss daisy on the road 99% of the time. Trackdays though.....
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I await the post from janner asking how to remove a Golf R from a hedge. :signLOL:
Oi enough please. :wink:
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I await the post from janner asking how to remove a Golf R from a hedge. :signLOL:
Oi enough please. :wink:
its toy cars that hedge sometimes needs surgically removing :P(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft1.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRHHaGUgO0ctXoSZ-JN-5OZyGGrZILZVpygtj5BAQdp5Pb7DJuEp5DmI1owow&hash=904ce372c531c8e0d7f525da100200f515ec0fc4)
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Thought id boot it around a corner car started to understeer alot. reduced the throttle, straightened the steering wheel then it power slid around the bend. Wasnt expecting it to be honest. Expected alot more initial grip.
Was easy to catch though once it happened
Roads greasy at the moment? Granted I was never more than 2 up whenI was driving that car.
Take it into a empty carpark, do some sharp turns, apply the brakes and watch it swing around like a go kart :signLOL:
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*Awaits a sub 4 second 0-60 from Sy.....with pic* :popcornsoda: