MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: nathangallo on February 19, 2012, 09:52:55 pm
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Was just looking at Greeners pirelli and thought i may have made a mistake and should have gone for the DSG
I have had my manual gti now for 3 months and i do love it :signLOL: But i wish i test drove a DSG to see what its like
What you all think?? Which you prefer :signLOL:
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Do we have to do this again?
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By the sound of that i should have just used the search :signLOL: my bad :ashamed:
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How does looking at a gear knob make you think you have made a mistake. :stupid:
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Just made me think, i have never driven a dsg, well i have but was in a c2 and that is just miles away from the golf!
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Just made me think, i have never driven a dsg, well i have but was in a c2 and that is just miles away from the golf!
you are right not to compare Sensordrive to a dsg :signLOL:... My C2VTR had it and it was horrendous..
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Do not, under any circumstances, test drive a DSG. It's for your own good.
They're just so much better! :evilgrin:
:popcornsoda:
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Do not, under any circumstances, test drive a DSG. It's for your own good.
They're just so much better! :evilgrin:
:popcornsoda:
:signLOL:
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can of worms!!!
they are totally different machines, drive both on daily basis depending on my mood but generally find manual more fulfilling driving experience....
you will get dsg next time :signLOL:
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Do not, under any circumstances, test drive a DSG. It's for your own good.
They're just so much better! :evilgrin:
:popcornsoda:
Couldn't disagree more with this chap.
It's all down to personal choice.
I test drove a DSG Eddie before I settled on a manual.
Absolutely hated the DSG. Manual all the way for me.
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I've driven DSG but in a non GTI car. It was cool but pales in comparison to the manual when you get the shifting bang on perfect.
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Do not, under any circumstances, test drive a DSG. It's for your own good.
They're just so much better! :evilgrin:
:popcornsoda:
+1 they are very good
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I drove both manual and DSG ED30 before deciding I wanted DSG, I think if you drive in traffic (like most people these days) DSG is handy, stick it in D and relax your left leg, if your an enthusiastic "Driver" and want maximum control over gears and dont mind replacing your clutch regularly if you stage 2 your car then manual is the way to go :evilgrin:
All my 7 of previous Golf GTI's were manual and this time I chose DSG as I just cant be bothered to change gear these days, plus DSG box is faster at changing than me and is lower on the Co2 if your a tree hugger :happy2:
Can of worms yes, this my opinion only? very much so!.
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I test drove both (albeit the DSG was a mk6) and really liked it; however I was also impressed with the slickness of the manual...and with most of my driving being in the town on the daily slog to work, and having put up with years of warranty issues on previous cars, I played it safe and went with the good old manual :happy2:
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Manual for me all the way... :congrats:
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DSG
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As you can see from the responses it comes down to personal preference. I started off looking for a manual but after testing the DSG I went for that as the changes were so quick and smooth.
Best to try both and see what you prefer.
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are manual and DSG just as quick as each other?
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DSG is faster. and better
i will now go and hide befor the manual fans come and give me a kicking :P
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:signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :driver:
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are manual and DSG just as quick as each other?
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are manual and DSG just as quick as each other?
all the top 1/4 mile times are in DSG cars... so they're faster, cleaner and involving when you want, but easy when you need (i.e. motorway, traffic etc)
but for some, manual is still better? :stupid:
i get the personal choice thing, and i know mine is only an opinion, but unlike most discussions, where i can at least appreciate the other side (even if i don't agree with it), i can't at all fathom why anyone would choose a manual over the DSG. i'll never drive a manual again.
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I bought a DSG because I like gadgets and at the time it seemed like a good idea.
At first I was impressed then it grated on me a little until I remembered the semi-auto function.
Flick to the left and all is forgiven.
I love it I would never go back.
This was confirmed after I drove a members manual Pirelli and realised that this car was designed for DSG.
And the 'pop' when you change with a full Milltek is sublime, its worth it just for that.
I just did not think that the manual gearbox does the MK5 GTI justice while the DSG certainly does.
Yes Red Robin I changed my tune. :signLOL:
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are manual and DSG just as quick as each other?
all the top 1/4 mile times are in DSG cars... so they're faster, cleaner and involving when you want, but easy when you need (i.e. motorway, traffic etc)
but for some, manual is still better? :stupid:
i get the personal choice thing, and i know mine is only an opinion, but unlike most discussions, where i can at least appreciate the other side (even if i don't agree with it), i can't at all fathom why anyone would choose a manual over the DSG. i'll never drive a manual again.
I just wish that i just tried the DSG as i think i would have loved it but I didn't want to take the involveness of having a manual!
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I have had 2 Audi TT's both DSG
Just bought a DSG mk5 and it better than I imagined.
All down to personal pref, just go and try both
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My R32 was DSG, the current GTI is manual. I feel more 'connected' with the GTI. They are, however, two completely different cars and difficult to compare. But after driving the R with the paddles and in semi-auto I still found myself in D, cruising around and being lazy!
Test drive both and see what you think. Just check the changes on the DSG, make sure they don't clunk on downshifts into 4th/2nd. They are complex units and expensive to repair. There are some occurrences of failure though.
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I've had manuals and DSG and to be honest the manual just takes the edge for me. The feeling of ultimate control just can't be replicated with DSG no matter what the DSG fanboi's say. Flicking a paddle with your finger is just not the same sensation as dumping the clutch and throwing back the gearstick!!
Yes DSG is quicker but it's also thirstier!! :fighting:
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with the DSG can you use the gear lever to change, (by nudging it forward or back)
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with the DSG can you use the gear lever to change, (by nudging it forward or back)
Yes I am aware of this thanks. Still not the same as changing gear in a manual is it? Still no clutch and it's a very sterile push forward or back! :confused:
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It depends if you want to 'drive' your car or 'steer' your car! If I want to steer, I'll go to the funfair and have a go on the dodgems! :signLOL:
That'll be a vote for manual from me then. :wink:
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with the DSG can you use the gear lever to change, (by nudging it forward or back)
Yes I am aware of this thanks. Still not the same as changing gear in a manual is it? Still no clutch and it's a very sterile push forward or back! :confused:
i think that was a question rather than a statement - and yes you can :happy2:
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And there's a reason why 'Manual' starts with Man!
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after watching that video above im liking the DSG even more. (still saving for a gti)
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after watching that video above im liking the DSG even more. (still saving for a gti)
I've had my manual for over 6 months now, and it's brilliant. You have so much more control over changes and can adjust your driving to suit the conditions. Steve Sutcliffe did a test of DSG v Manual in the Golf R, and his 3 times in the DSG were identical, whereas his times in the manual were quite varied, showing that there is a lot more skill involved and room for driver error/excellence. The DSG is just too clinical and uninvolving for me.
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And there's a reason why 'Manual' starts with Man!
and why semi-automatic gives you a semi...
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after watching that video above im liking the DSG even more. (still saving for a gti)
I've had my manual for over 6 months now, and it's brilliant. You have so much more control over changes and can adjust your driving to suit the conditions. Steve Sutcliffe did a test of DSG v Manual in the Golf R, and his 3 times in the DSG were identical, whereas his times in the manual were quite varied, showing that there is a lot more skill involved and room for driver error/excellence. The DSG is just too clinical and uninvolving for me.
3 times the same is consistent in DSG, manual its down to how you feel on the day :happy2: for me DSG is better economy, lower C02, quicker accelaration altho slower top speed by 1mph (for the once each year you get to use it :P), Manual are for "Drivers" (Read control feaks stuck in the past), DSG is the future :evilgrin:.
Had both like both, woudl have either, but currently liking DSG for ease........................ :drinking:
Awaiting being shot down............... :popcornsoda:
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And there's a reason why 'Manual' starts with Man!
:signLOL:
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And there's a reason why 'Manual' starts with Man!
:signLOL:
I was a die hard manual fan,all my cars before this was manual,but after test driving a dsg I fell for it..this is only my opinion as best for you to test drive both then decide
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Picked up DSG Eddy today and I'm really enjoying it so far.
I love the different way you can go about playing with changing gears on the car.
I think my favourite so far is simply driving along in D mode then dropping a couple of cogs via the paddle shifter you're off!
S mode is really good for flying starts too :happy2:
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Picked up DSG Eddy today and I'm really enjoying it so far.
I love the different way you can go about playing with changing gears on the car.
I think my favourite so far is simply driving along in D mode then dropping a couple of cogs via the paddle shifter you're off!
S mode is really good for flying starts too :happy2:
S mode is mental :laugh: :happy2:
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I've had a DSG for a few months now - I've said it before and I'll say it again - I don't think its a simple case of trying one in short test drive conditions and see if you like it, especially if like me you are used to manual. It has taken me about three months to master what is a new fast driving style to match the different faster characteristics of DSG!
For some its better, for others its worse. For me its neither - its just 'different'. DSG is great for the variety of ways you can change gear to suit conditions, moods etc. I get just as much fun blatting it about on B roads as I do in a manual car, but this is because I enjoy the new style of driving I've learnt. I wouldn't say it was necessarily better though. I've still yet to master the low speed throttle control which can be jerky in a quick pulling out of a junction type scenario. I would be better controlling the clutch myself then.
In some ways I liken it to someone developing a joystick for a car in place of the steering wheel. Theoretically some may think its great for maneoverablity or something, but for others who have always had a steering wheel it would be unthinkable. DSG in't your average auto so has attracted people like me who would normally default at a manual box. You don't get the 'feel' of a manual and the muscle memory that it requires, instead I find I use my eyes more with the rev counter and gear indicator, and get to keep both hands on the wheel. :driver:
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As you can see from the responses it comes down to personal preference. I started off looking for a manual but after testing the DSG I went for that as the changes were so quick and smooth.
Best to try both and see what you prefer.
Really is the best answer. Each one to there they own and all that bollocks :happy2: I have got a K04 stage 3 (stage 3 being a K03 to a K04) AXX powered Gti (340+bhp at a guess, and manual) my car is to me, wow, but i also own a 2011 vrs skoda 1.4tsi DSG 7 speed. Simple, a DSG is AMAZING, but manual in MY golf. Perfect :drinking:
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after watching that video above im liking the DSG even more. (still saving for a gti)
I've had my manual for over 6 months now, and it's brilliant. You have so much more control over changes and can adjust your driving to suit the conditions. Steve Sutcliffe did a test of DSG v Manual in the Golf R, and his 3 times in the DSG were identical, whereas his times in the manual were quite varied, showing that there is a lot more skill involved and room for driver error/excellence. The DSG is just too clinical and uninvolving for me.
3 times the same is consistent in DSG, manual its down to how you feel on the day :happy2: for me DSG is better economy, lower C02, quicker accelaration altho slower top speed by 1mph (for the once each year you get to use it :P), Manual are for "Drivers" (Read control feaks stuck in the past), DSG is the future :evilgrin:.
Had both like both, woudl have either, but currently liking DSG for ease........................ :drinking:
Awaiting being shot down............... :popcornsoda:
I quite like having total control over my car!
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Yup I was kidding, just throwin fuel on the fire, I like both but currently have DSG.
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feel more connected with the car with manual transmission, like your a part of it
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I love all this "Gear change is quicker"...So what if it is !!! what exactly is the difference between Man and DSG over 0-62 ??? Probably nigh on nothing.(Well certainly not enough to worry about)
Seems we have far too many wannabe racing drivers on here.....
Bottom line is you have what makes you happy,
one is not better than the other it's just a question of what float's your boat.... :happy2:
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I love all this "Gear change is quicker"...So what if it is !!! what exactly is the difference between Man and DSG over 0-62 ??? Probably nigh on nothing.(Well certainly not enough to worry about)
Seems we have far too many wannabe racing drivers on here.....
Bottom line is you have what makes you happy,
one is not better than the other it's just a question of what float's your boat.... :happy2:
Well on the Golf R (as tested by Autocar) its between 0.7 sec to 1.0 second (Best start and worst start for manual against DSG), which in accelleration times is a huge difference!! :P
Your right tho, quicker away from lights aside and quicker in a straight line does not mean your quicker overall. :happy2:
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Picked up DSG Eddy today and I'm really enjoying it so far.
I love the different way you can go about playing with changing gears on the car.
I think my favourite so far is simply driving along in D mode then dropping a couple of cogs via the paddle shifter you're off!
S mode is really good for flying starts too :happy2:
S mode is mental :laugh: :happy2:
Turn off the ESP and see the difference that makes too :happy2:
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Besides the quicker shifts, one of the main reasons I went DSG was because of traffic and no clutch replacement going stage 2+ :booty:
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I love all this "Gear change is quicker"...So what if it is !!! what exactly is the difference between Man and DSG over 0-62 ??? Probably nigh on nothing.(Well certainly not enough to worry about)
Seems we have far too many wannabe racing drivers on here.....
Bottom line is you have what makes you happy,
one is not better than the other it's just a question of what float's your boat.... :happy2:
Lol that's an odd statement coming from someone with a remapped performance car - clearly you did that to drive faster?
Or should we all sell up and buy bluemotions?
Also the quoted 0-62 times are with a professional driver, whereas anyone from the Stig to me can get in a DSG and get the most out of it.
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with the DSG can you use the gear lever to change, (by nudging it forward or back)
Yes I am aware of this thanks. Still not the same as changing gear in a manual is it? Still no clutch and it's a very sterile push forward or back! :confused:
i think that was a question rather than a statement - and yes you can :happy2:
yeah i was asking if ya can, glad ya picked up it was a question cos i forgot to put the question mark lol
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with the DSG can you use the gear lever to change, (by nudging it forward or back)
Yes I am aware of this thanks. Still not the same as changing gear in a manual is it? Still no clutch and it's a very sterile push forward or back! :confused:
i think that was a question rather than a statement - and yes you can :happy2:
yeah i was asking if ya can, glad ya picked up it was a question cos i forgot to put the question mark lol
Yeh I see that now! :ashamed:
And yes you can! :signLOL:
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I love all this "Gear change is quicker"...So what if it is !!! what exactly is the difference between Man and DSG over 0-62 ??? Probably nigh on nothing.(Well certainly not enough to worry about)
Seems we have far too many wannabe racing drivers on here.....
Bottom line is you have what makes you happy,
one is not better than the other it's just a question of what float's your boat.... :happy2:
Lol that's an odd statement coming from someone with a remapped performance car - clearly you did that to drive faster?
Or should we all sell up and buy bluemotions?
Yes ofcourse i had the car mapped to make it faster but when i was in the process of buying the car in the first place(standard) i bought it with manual box as that's what i like to drive.
What im saying is that i wasnt bothered that DSG is quicker by a fraction of a second at all as i get a massive grin on my face by having a shifter in my hand as opposed to having a couple of paddles..
By no way am i having a dig at anyone,,,like i said before it's a personal touch to each individual.. :smiley:
Not sure of what you mean by the Bluemotion comment,however there is no winner or loser in this 7yr old topic,just go out there and enjoy your driving.
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As has been said, its just what you personally prefer...
My ED30 is a DSG and i set out to buy a DSG car, i think they are so so good once you know how to use it properly. Through some twisties the progress you can make is awesome, just effortless and so capable.
Everyone who goes in it that hasn't experienced DSG are amazed, at first they are like "Oh its just an auto..." But after going in it they normally come away wanting one.
Saying that, i still proper love manual!
Horses for courses, drive both and see what YOU prefer. :smiley:
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I love all this "Gear change is quicker"...So what if it is !!! what exactly is the difference between Man and DSG over 0-62 ??? Probably nigh on nothing.(Well certainly not enough to worry about)
Seems we have far too many wannabe racing drivers on here.....
Bottom line is you have what makes you happy,
one is not better than the other it's just a question of what float's your boat.... :happy2:
Lol that's an odd statement coming from someone with a remapped performance car - clearly you did that to drive faster?
Or should we all sell up and buy bluemotions?
Yes ofcourse i had the car mapped to make it faster but when i was in the process of buying the car in the first place(standard) i bought it with manual box as that's what i like to drive.
What im saying is that i wasnt bothered that DSG is quicker by a fraction of a second at all as i get a massive grin on my face by having a shifter in my hand as opposed to having a couple of paddles..
By no way am i having a dig at anyone,,,like i said before it's a personal touch to each individual.. :smiley:
Not sure of what you mean by the Bluemotion comment,however there is no winner or loser in this 7yr old topic,just go out there and enjoy your driving.
all i mean is that you can't on the one had say "who cares DSG is faster" and then make steps towards making your own car faster. if you want a faster car, DSG is faster. if you don't care about having a faster car, you don't need a remap and some would argue you don't need a GTI. hence we should just buy bluemotions instead.
ofc we bought our cars because they are fast, and the fact that DSG is faster is one of the multitude of reasons why it's better than a manual in my opinion.
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I love all this "Gear change is quicker"...So what if it is !!! what exactly is the difference between Man and DSG over 0-62 ??? Probably nigh on nothing.(Well certainly not enough to worry about)
Seems we have far too many wannabe racing drivers on here.....
Bottom line is you have what makes you happy,
one is not better than the other it's just a question of what float's your boat.... :happy2:
Lol that's an odd statement coming from someone with a remapped performance car - clearly you did that to drive faster?
Or should we all sell up and buy bluemotions?
Yes ofcourse i had the car mapped to make it faster but when i was in the process of buying the car in the first place(standard) i bought it with manual box as that's what i like to drive.
What im saying is that i wasnt bothered that DSG is quicker by a fraction of a second at all as i get a massive grin on my face by having a shifter in my hand as opposed to having a couple of paddles..
By no way am i having a dig at anyone,,,like i said before it's a personal touch to each individual.. :smiley:
Not sure of what you mean by the Bluemotion comment,however there is no winner or loser in this 7yr old topic,just go out there and enjoy your driving.
all i mean is that you can't on the one had say "who cares DSG is faster" and then make steps towards making your own car faster. if you want a faster car, DSG is faster. if you don't care about having a faster car, you don't need a remap and some would argue you don't need a GTI. hence we should just buy bluemotions instead.
ofc we bought our cars because they are fast, and the fact that DSG is faster is one of the multitude of reasons why it's better than a manual in my opinion.
Your argument makes little sense. What about if he wanted a faster manual car or is that not permitted? :rolleye:
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I love all this "Gear change is quicker"...So what if it is !!! what exactly is the difference between Man and DSG over 0-62 ??? Probably nigh on nothing.(Well certainly not enough to worry about)
Seems we have far too many wannabe racing drivers on here.....
Bottom line is you have what makes you happy,
one is not better than the other it's just a question of what float's your boat.... :happy2:
Lol that's an odd statement coming from someone with a remapped performance car - clearly you did that to drive faster?
Or should we all sell up and buy bluemotions?
Yes ofcourse i had the car mapped to make it faster but when i was in the process of buying the car in the first place(standard) i bought it with manual box as that's what i like to drive.
What im saying is that i wasnt bothered that DSG is quicker by a fraction of a second at all as i get a massive grin on my face by having a shifter in my hand as opposed to having a couple of paddles..
By no way am i having a dig at anyone,,,like i said before it's a personal touch to each individual.. :smiley:
Not sure of what you mean by the Bluemotion comment,however there is no winner or loser in this 7yr old topic,just go out there and enjoy your driving.
all i mean is that you can't on the one had say "who cares DSG is faster" and then make steps towards making your own car faster. if you want a faster car, DSG is faster. if you don't care about having a faster car, you don't need a remap and some would argue you don't need a GTI. hence we should just buy bluemotions instead.
ofc we bought our cars because they are fast, and the fact that DSG is faster is one of the multitude of reasons why it's better than a manual in my opinion.
Your argument makes little sense. What about if he wanted a faster manual car or is that not permitted? :rolleye:
not if you say "who cares about going faster" and then take steps to make your car faster...
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Just because you don't care that a DSG is fractionally quicker than a manual as boggo standard, does not mean you don't want your manual to become hugely faster than a boggo standard manual!
On the subject of things you CAN'T say, you can't say a DSG is better than manual. You also can't say a manual is better than a DSG. They are two very different ways of getting down the road, and as many have said previously, it depends what elements are more important to you.
I personally prefer a manual as I think there is more 'driving' involved, and a tenth of a second is a price I'm prepared to pay for that involvement and complete control in what I want the car to do, and when to do it. Others will disagree, as their personal preferences will be smashing 1/4 mile records at the Pod. Fair enough.
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I love all this "Gear change is quicker"...So what if it is !!! what exactly is the difference between Man and DSG over 0-62 ??? Probably nigh on nothing.(Well certainly not enough to worry about)
Seems we have far too many wannabe racing drivers on here.....
Bottom line is you have what makes you happy,
one is not better than the other it's just a question of what float's your boat.... :happy2:
Lol that's an odd statement coming from someone with a remapped performance car - clearly you did that to drive faster?
Or should we all sell up and buy bluemotions?
Yes ofcourse i had the car mapped to make it faster but when i was in the process of buying the car in the first place(standard) i bought it with manual box as that's what i like to drive.
What im saying is that i wasnt bothered that DSG is quicker by a fraction of a second at all as i get a massive grin on my face by having a shifter in my hand as opposed to having a couple of paddles..
By no way am i having a dig at anyone,,,like i said before it's a personal touch to each individual.. :smiley:
Not sure of what you mean by the Bluemotion comment,however there is no winner or loser in this 7yr old topic,just go out there and enjoy your driving.
all i mean is that you can't on the one had say "who cares DSG is faster" and then make steps towards making your own car faster. if you want a faster car, DSG is faster. if you don't care about having a faster car, you don't need a remap and some would argue you don't need a GTI. hence we should just buy bluemotions instead.
ofc we bought our cars because they are fast, and the fact that DSG is faster is one of the multitude of reasons why it's better than a manual in my opinion.
Your argument makes little sense. What about if he wanted a faster manual car or is that not permitted? :rolleye:
+1
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Your argument makes little sense. What about if he wanted a faster manual car or is that not permitted? :rolleye:
Nail on head springs to mind....... :smiley:
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I have driven manuals all my motoring life.My first MK5 GTI was manual too.That was stolen and found myself in a DSG Eddy..Fantastic,next car will have DSG or whatever the equivelent will be called.
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On the subject of things you CAN'T say, you can't say a DSG is better than manual. You also can't say a manual is better than a DSG. They are two very different ways of getting down the road, and as many have said previously, it depends what elements are more important to you.
Using your analogy then no-one can say that Lucy Pinder is better than Susan Boyle!!! But i know which i would rather ride :grin:
On a serious note anyone can say either is better as it is all down to perception! I had driven manuals all my life until i got a Diseasel DSG car. I liked the way it worked so i drove a DSG vRS before ordering mine and felt it was a better driving experience as you can be lazy when you want (traffic etc) and you can have as much control as you want by sticking in manual and using the paddles.
Look at it this way. If gearboxes like DSG etc weren't so good and manual was so much better, why are all F1, BTCC, WRC cars etc all some form of sequential auto box?
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On the subject of things you CAN'T say, you can't say a DSG is better than manual. You also can't say a manual is better than a DSG. They are two very different ways of getting down the road, and as many have said previously, it depends what elements are more important to you.
Using your analogy then no-one can say that Lucy Pinder is better than Susan Boyle!!! But i know which i would rather ride :grin:
On a serious note anyone can say either is better as it is all down to perception! I had driven manuals all my life until i got a Diseasel DSG car. I liked the way it worked so i drove a DSG vRS before ordering mine and felt it was a better driving experience as you can be lazy when you want (traffic etc) and you can have as much control as you want by sticking in manual and using the paddles.
Look at it this way. If gearboxes like DSG etc weren't so good and manual was so much better, why are all F1, BTCC, WRC cars etc all some form of sequential auto box?
Faster gear change, slightly quicker performance, doesn't make it better to drive or more entertaining. Plus we don't live on tracks, we drive our cars in our own, different environments. I drive my car mainly at weekends on proper driving roads. I don't sit in traffic much, so for me I prefer a manual. It's not better than your dsg, but it suits my needs more, and it suits how I like to drive. It's no worse than your dsg, both have strengths and weaknesses over each other. It's just far more rewarding for me personally.
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I've got a question that hopefully one of the DSG boys can help me with.
If you use the paddles and say are going along in 4th, then come to a junction and stop,
What happens if I don't change down to first?
Does the car automatically change down or will it try and set off in 4th?
Like wise if I keep revving it in 4th but don't change up on the paddle what happens?
Will the car hit the limiter or will it change up to 5th
For me I want something that I am in total control of.
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If you stop in 4th will automatically change down for you. If you rev it like an f1 car it will shift up to prevent you from blowing it up!!
I think the dsg is awesome but my weekend toy is as manual. For evryday use i love my dsg gti!! :happy2:
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I've got a question that hopefully one of the DSG boys can help me with.
If you use the paddles and say are going along in 4th, then come to a junction and stop,
What happens if I don't change down to first?
Does the car automatically change down or will it try and set off in 4th?
Like wise if I keep revving it in 4th but don't change up on the paddle what happens?
Will the car hit the limiter or will it change up to 5th
For me I want something that I am in total control of.
it won't let you stall or overrev the engine
but in day to day and fast road driving this is never an issue. if you're on track then it might be, but you can get one of the several DSG remaps and then you can bounce off the limiter as much as you like
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My previous car (A3 2.0TFSI) had DSG, and was fantastic.
My current GTI is manual and I think is excellent too.
I've got to agree that (personally) I prefer the greater involement of the manual, but can understand why people could easily prefer the DSG.
Something that seems a little odd in a DSG thread, is that in 5 pages (so far), no one has mentioned any form of mechatronics related problems that come hand in hand with DSG ownership - it'll get you in the end :evilgrin:
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My previous car (A3 2.0TFSI) had DSG, and was fantastic.
My current GTI is manual and I think is excellent too.
I've got to agree that (personally) I prefer the greater involement of the manual, but can understand why people could easily prefer the DSG.
Something that seems a little odd in a DSG thread, is that in 5 pages (so far), no one has mentioned any form of mechatronics related problems that come hand in hand with DSG ownership - it'll get you in the end :evilgrin:
That depends on the year of your car.
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What are meant to be the bad years?
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My previous car (A3 2.0TFSI) had DSG, and was fantastic.
My current GTI is manual and I think is excellent too.
I've got to agree that (personally) I prefer the greater involement of the manual, but can understand why people could easily prefer the DSG.
Something that seems a little odd in a DSG thread, is that in 5 pages (so far), no one has mentioned any form of mechatronics related problems that come hand in hand with DSG ownership - it'll get you in the end :evilgrin:
That depends on the year of your car.
Also I have read that a lot of these problems seemed to occur early on in ownership, usually under the warranty period.
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What are meant to be the bad years?
There was poll on this site some time last year. IIRC the highest were 57/08 cars.
Linky:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22943.0.html
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What are meant to be the bad years?
2008 was when VAG America sent out the letters to all owners. So your looking from whenever it was first introduced on the Golf (2006??) to Early 2009 to catch any that were built and sat around for a while.
Since then the Mechatronics will have gone through a fair few iterations/tweaks to it's programming.