MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: rich83 on March 09, 2012, 12:01:29 pm

Title: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rich83 on March 09, 2012, 12:01:29 pm: Make sure you've got all the bits.

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You'll also need.

Trolley Jack
Axle stands
19mm 1/4 socket and long bar

Safety First... :signLOL: I don't like going under cars so trolley jack and 2 axle stands is pretty much fail safe. Better to be too safe than dead.
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Locate mount in subframe
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Use 19mm socket and undo
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Lube up your insert... :chicken:
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Line up the mount with the larger piece towards the rear of your car
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Because the mount itself is in two bits (top and bottom) you might need to wiggle the insert quite a bit to get it into the top part of the mount.

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Place small washer in recess
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Place large washer onto of that and replace the bolt.

Tighten up to "TIGHT" setting on your arm wrench. :happy2:

Done.

Rich
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on March 09, 2012, 12:14:03 pm: Great guide there Rich! :congrats:

Its a gread little mod for only a few £'s :drinking:
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: bacillus on March 09, 2012, 01:19:49 pm: It's recommended that you use a new bolt with this install as the original may have been stretched if torqued correctly. Bolt to be torqued to 100Nm + 90 degrees according to T_T. :smiley:
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: Matto on March 10, 2012, 08:53:52 am: Nice little write up. Have you noticed any difference with it fitted?
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rich83 on March 10, 2012, 02:48:08 pm: Not massive difference matto but noticeable.
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: vRS_Pagey on March 10, 2012, 03:17:13 pm: Worth 15 quid though? :P
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: Little_Dave on March 10, 2012, 05:37:04 pm: Noticed a difference driving the car back home after getting this fitted along with some other bits and bobs :driver: gear change definitely feels tighter and more positive

Dave
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: apples12 on March 13, 2012, 02:06:11 pm: My rear engine mount is looking a little worse for wear (rubber looks like its got a few 'stress' marks in it) would it benefit from getting one of these inserts fitted into it before it fails completely or should i just get the complete mount replaced?...

Ali
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rich83 on March 13, 2012, 02:48:28 pm: Changing that complete mount it a ball ache. You have to remove the subframe and remove the old mounts, then get new mounts pressed in, subframe back on and the get the front re-aligned.

I would whack in an insert :-)
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: apples12 on March 13, 2012, 03:42:30 pm: i shall avoid aforementioned ball ache and get myself a powerflex insert

:signLOL:
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: apples12 on March 14, 2012, 03:08:49 pm: just ordered a red 'diesel' insert will be fitting it over the weekend!

is it possible to also remove the 'dog bone' mounting' without any extra tools other than a socket wrench whilst the car rests on its wheels over a pit or would it require lifting the subframe etc? (managed to convince my mechanic to let me borrow his pit on sunday morning)
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rich83 on March 14, 2012, 04:27:28 pm: It might be wise just to offer some support on the gearbox whilst you remove it. Why do you want to take it off anyway?
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: apples12 on March 14, 2012, 04:30:22 pm: just figured whilst i'm under there may aswell change out that bushing...

think i'll stick with one at a time and see how this one goes
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rich83 on March 14, 2012, 04:31:34 pm: Quote from: apples12 on March 14, 2012, 04:30:22 pm
just figured whilst i'm under there may aswell change out that bushing...

think i'll stick with one at a time and see how this one goes

Ohh ok, yeah its dead easy to remove the rest of it, just 2 other bolts. Just support the gearbox with a jack.
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: apples12 on March 14, 2012, 04:55:25 pm: £17.66 incl VAT from eurocarparts btw in case anyone was wondering! thats for the 'R' version of the mount for soot-chuckers!

they dont keep them in stock but can get them either same day if ordered before 11 (i think) otherwise next day!
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: nezquick on March 20, 2012, 10:31:13 am: Very nice :smiley: :happy2: I think I'll be doing this in a few weeks :party:
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rich83 on March 20, 2012, 10:36:59 am: I have noticed a slight increase in vibration in the cabin, especially on over run, not an annoying amount though.
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: apples12 on March 20, 2012, 11:33:08 am: did mine last week...

think mine may have been over-torqued the last time it was taken out but managed to put a slight tear in the rubber using a spanner so the mechanic used his impact gun to open it...

fitted the RED diesel one to mine, noticed more vibration in the cabin, especially when trying to find the biting point...almost a bit less forgiving when rolling at lights etc!

but certainly more 'tight'!
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: George on May 11, 2012, 10:30:28 am: Can anyone confirm the torque rating for this please? I'm fitting this tomorrow morning

Thanks :happy2:
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rich83 on May 11, 2012, 10:50:49 am: Quote from: George on May 11, 2012, 10:30:28 am
Can anyone confirm the torque rating for this please? I'm fitting this tomorrow morning

Thanks :happy2:

Tight!! :signLOL:

I just did it up as tight as I could with a 9" long ratchet. :happy2:
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: bacillus on May 11, 2012, 04:29:40 pm: Quote from: George on May 11, 2012, 10:30:28 am
Can anyone confirm the torque rating for this please? I'm fitting this tomorrow morning

Thanks :happy2:

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Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on May 11, 2012, 04:42:33 pm: :congrats: Great little how to Rich
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on May 11, 2012, 05:10:42 pm: Quote from: apples12 on March 14, 2012, 04:55:25 pm
£17.66 incl VAT from eurocarparts btw in case anyone was wondering! thats for the 'R' version of the mount for soot-chuckers!

they dont keep them in stock but can get them either same day if ordered before 11 (i think) otherwise next day!

What's that for? A diesel rubber?
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: mattypgolf on May 13, 2012, 10:25:40 am: Quote from: richwig83 on March 13, 2012, 02:48:28 pm
Changing that complete mount it a ball ache. You have to remove the subframe and remove the old mounts, then get new mounts pressed in, subframe back on and the get the front re-aligned.

I would whack in an insert :-)

I've got a THS mount to fit, when you say re align.. What needs aligning?
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rich83 on May 13, 2012, 10:42:21 am: Quote from: mattypgolf on May 13, 2012, 10:25:40 am
Quote from: richwig83 on March 13, 2012, 02:48:28 pm
Changing that complete mount it a ball ache. You have to remove the subframe and remove the old mounts, then get new mounts pressed in, subframe back on and the get the front re-aligned.

I would whack in an insert :-)

I've got a THS mount to fit, when you say re align.. What needs aligning?

Because you have to remove the subframe to install the THS or solid type mounts you will throw out the front geometry unless you can get the subframe back in exactly the same position as before *breath*
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: AndyBrown on June 18, 2014, 06:35:48 am: Great guide, wouldnt have thought it would be so simple!
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: rocky_rullez on June 20, 2014, 10:56:58 pm: Good post
Title: Re: HOW TO :- Rear engine mount insert
Post by: jayha11 on December 11, 2015, 05:37:20 pm: I am hearing and feeling a slight knock during gear shifts, do you think this mod will cure it?