MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Andy_GTI on March 12, 2012, 06:14:58 pm
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Hi everyone, well its lasted nearly year, longer than I was expecting for my refurbed alloys to stay immaculate, the dreaded white worm has started appearing on one of the alloys:
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Despite my best efforts to wash them weekly with Blackfire Gel Wheel cleaner and wax them monthly with Collinite 476s
So what are my options guys?
I was told by S.E.M (who did a great job for what its worth) that theyd probably stay immaculate for a few months before deteriorating, and that because theyve been machine polished once they would not be able to refurb them again. Can anyone confirm this?
Would it be possible to have them just powder coated regular silver whilst keeping the inserts black as they are now?
Or am I best selling these whilst theyre still pretty good condition and going for something different? My car is a standard KO3 GTI in reflex silver if anyone has any ideas for replacement alloys.
Thanks in advance guys
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Look at Holtys car. Reflex silver with Detroits. Great combo.
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Im going through the MK5/6 Wheel thread as we speak, you dont have a link do you? :smiley:
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19818.0.html
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Is that normal for it to only last a few months to a year after re-furb?
Does anyone know how long Lepsons reckon it should last if they do the work?
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If you love the look of diamond cut, but don't want the whiteworm, then get them powdercoated in black chrome (also called smoked chrome). Best of both worlds, and recommended by many here:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,42652.msg504854.html#msg504854 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,42652.msg504854.html#msg504854)
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I'd probably refurb them to look like detroits, ie black with a polished lip, would look nice on reflex silver imo.
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The best way to guarantee no white worm is to powdercoat: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,726.0.html
Jeeze! seeing those pics I forgot how bad I let mine go!
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The smoked chrome powder coating on that top link looks really good. would it be possible to have the inserts powder coats or even sprayed black?
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The smoked chrome powder coating on that top link looks really good. would it be possible to have the inserts powder coats or even sprayed black?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41345.msg487168.html#msg487168 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41345.msg487168.html#msg487168)
YEP :drool:
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That's a great write-up Robin, :congrats:
You say "Showing the grey 'inserts' and clean edge join to the diamond-cut face. This can only be achieved by firstly powdercoating the whole wheel in grey and then cutting back to the raw alloy on the face and then lacquering it".
Does this powdercoating mean the whiteworm will be banished long-term? (or until re-kerbed, and allowing it back in)
I've got a Lepsons refurb on my list, but at 100 a corner I don't think I'll bother if it's only to last 6 to 12 months. I'd rather put the money towards some BBS Ed30 rims. But I love the look of the Monza18's so much. :drool:
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The smoked chrome powder coating on that top link looks really good. would it be possible to have the inserts powder coats or even sprayed black?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41345.msg487168.html#msg487168 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41345.msg487168.html#msg487168)
YEP :drool:
....Hey! Those look pretty cool, Chowgar - First time I've seen your pics.
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That's a great write-up Robin, :congrats:
You say "Showing the grey 'inserts' and clean edge join to the diamond-cut face. This can only be achieved by firstly powdercoating the whole wheel in grey and then cutting back to the raw alloy on the face and then lacquering it".
Does this powdercoating mean the whiteworm will be banished long-term? (or until re-kerbed, and allowing it back in)
I've got a Lepsons refurb on my list, but at 100 a corner I don't think I'll bother if it's only to last 6 to 12 months. I'd rather put the money towards some BBS Ed30 rims. But I love the look of the Monza18's so much. :drool:
....Yes, powdercoating the wheel will banish whiteworm long term - It's the raw metal (diamond cut) under a relatively thin layer of clear lacquer which gets exposed and the worming surface corrosion sets in and organically grows. It's not just VW wheels of this finish which can suffer the whiteworm - I've seen it on Mercedes too. Obviously any chip or kerbing is going to break the surface but not result in the dreaded whiteworm.
I'd say that a refurb back to diamond cut with clear lacquer will last more like 12-18 months as it's the winter and those road salts combined with chips which cause the problem. Not everyone experiences the whiteworm but it's a gamble if you drive the car often enough.
My Smoked Chrome Monza 18's are in storage and I could sell them but find it difficult to part with them. I think I might hang one on my bedroom wall (the girl in my sig won't mind).
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I had mine refurbished by A1 in wolverhampton (on Robin's recommendation). They use a special Aston martin Lacquer which although will chip, the water cant creep underneath like normal lacquer allows.
So although there is a couple of small chips, I have NO WHITEWORM :star:
I've done over 10k miles with them like this, used them all year round with no issues.
Maybe worth a trip to A1?
Graeme
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I had mine refurbished by A1 in wolverhampton (on Robin's recommendation). They use a special Aston martin Lacquer which although will chip, the water cant creep underneath like normal lacquer allows.
So although there is a couple of small chips, I have NO WHITEWORM :star:
I've done over 10k miles with them like this, used them all year round with no issues.
Maybe worth a trip to A1?
Graeme
....Aha, I don't think A1 offered the Aston option back in the day when I had mine done. Very glad you were pleased with A1 - Rim King Nath Greeners had recommended A1 to me and he is anal about wheels.
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What a load of sh*te saying they'd last a few months!!! :fighting:
Ask Stealth how his are doing! I had them refurbed nearly four years ago and there is no sign of the worm!! :fighting:
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But Nath, it's a gamble. In your ownership they were subjected to very low mileage and extreme, really exceptional, care on your part. Stealth does the mileage (or certainly used to) and has been lucky so far.
Whether they last months or years without whiteworm it's a gamble in my opinion and it's backed up by there being so many cases of it. VW have even replaced wheels with it - It's a well established issue :happy2:
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Hopefully longer than 3 months FFS, I pick up mine (black inserts and diamond cut) from A1 later this week, If I have problems I'll post up to add to the ongoing wheel refurb info already on here. Dealt with Nick at A1, all good so far.
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It's not a gamble at all Robin.
It's mostly to do with the laquer and the way it has been applied. You will notice from the OP's pics that they are 'worming' from the bolt holes so I would suspect it is nothing to do with stone chipping (normally the main culprit), rather than poor workmanship, hence my annoyance at the ridiculous comment from the refurber regarding them lasting a few months!! :fighting:
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Fair do's Nath - I thought you were challenging my comment of 12 -18 months. But I agree with your points - It's very much down to lacquer. I was responding to the general way which these wheels suffer from whiteworm. The point I'm making is that this finish is much more vulnerable than other finishes and in that sense I think it's a gamble.
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I know you have your reservations regarding the finish of the Monza 2's, but if refurbed to a high standard and cared for there is no reason why they cannot last as long as any other design/finish. :happy2:
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Yes, I can't really help having strong reservations due to my own direct experiences. But I am guilty of not looking after my wheels as well as you do. On the other hand, I'm not careless and I do feel that BBS/VAG should have made such wheels far more practical in the real world.
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It's just the downside of a Diamond Cut finish, and by no means are VW/VAG group the only manufacturers affected with this issue. :happy2:
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Looking at the pic,do you think the lacquer could have been damaged when the wheels have been removed?. Could have had a bit of a bash from the wheel bolt socket?.
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Looking at the pic,do you think the lacquer could have been damaged when the wheels have been removed?. Could have had a bit of a bash from the wheel bolt socket?.
Possibly, but you've gotta be a bit of a tard to do all of them! :rolleye: :surprised:
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Here is a pic of one of my 6.5 year old Monzas with 50k on them... Owned since new
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Taken 5 mins ago, they will last as long as you look after them!
3 of mine are like this, 1 has been refurbed (bus pushed me off the road) by A1 and unlike others here, I wasn't so lucky as it looks absolutely shocking so hoping a new bbs will turn up one day....
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I know you have your reservations regarding the finish of the Monza 2's, but if refurbed to a high standard and cared for there is no reason why they cannot last as long as any other design/finish. :happy2:
Would Lepsons fall into the 'refurbed to a high standard' Greeners?
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Judging by that pic, winrya, you are seriously into detailing - Even your tyre walls look treated! Hats off and respect to you for your dedication but all that takes time and not everybody wants to take quite so much care. A car needs to be driven and must be practical through the seasons on UK roads. In my opinion it's simply not good enough for the likes of BBS/VW to palm us off with such a finish on wheels even if they do look great.
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I know you have your reservations regarding the finish of the Monza 2's, but if refurbed to a high standard and cared for there is no reason why they cannot last as long as any other design/finish. :happy2:
Would Lepsons fall into the 'refurbed to a high standard' Greeners?
Couldn't comment, never used them.......
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Judging by that pic, winrya, you are seriously into detailing - Even your tyre walls look treated! Hats off and respect to you for your dedication but all that takes time and not everybody wants to take quite so much care. A car needs to be driven and must be practical through the seasons on UK roads. In my opinion it's simply not good enough for the likes of BBS/VW to palm us off with such a finish on wheels even if they do look great.
Like most things in life Robin, if you look after it, it will look after you! :wink:
You haven't got to be 'into detailing' just to take care of your car!!
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Well, the level of care which the Monza 18's need is somewhat too high to be practical in many cases - Hence all the number of whiteworm problems.
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Well, the level of care which the Monza 18's need is somewhat too high to be practical in many cases - Hence all the number of whiteworm problems.
I agree, They're so easy to kerb, and I have whiteworm starting in the centre. 3 of mine are lightly kerbed, but the passenger side front is f**ked! If a diamond cut refurb is only going to last 18 months in all weathers, I reckon a set of the cheaper BBS Ed30 style from Rimstyle for 600 sheets for the winter has got to be the way to go for me, and then get the Monza's refurbed and kept for Summer use only. And all once the Mrs is safely tucked into her Up!
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I think that we all need to realise that some Monza's will stay free of whiteworm (greatly helped by extra special care by their owners) and others won't. There's no reliable timeframe or guarantee.
I must update my extensive post on the subject, especially now I know about A1's use of Aston Martin lacquer.
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Anybody else heard about Aston Martin laquer?
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Ring A1 and ask for Nigel for more info - mention this forum & Red Robin for a discount if you decide to go for it :happy2:
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Ok thanks :happy2:
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Looking at the pic,do you think the lacquer could have been damaged when the wheels have been removed?. Could have had a bit of a bash from the wheel bolt socket?.
Its interesting you've said that, as the only wheel that is really suffering (the one shown in the original pic) recently had a flat tyre due to a damaged valve and so its been taken off by my local tyre garage to have a new valve fitted. They didnt charge me neither for the new valve so maybe theyve damaged it during removal and not told me :fighting:
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My rims from Nousey are fine *touch wood*.
I don't run them on the car except in the summer months. Too scared of damaging them. Not an ounce of white worm and I can confirm the rims are the same as when I bought them from nousey. I've covered a total of 10k with them on I reckon.
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From last years Inters:
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Really liking those wheels. :happy2:
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Really liking those wheels. :happy2:
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I'm really considering the Monza shadow look by getting my inserts black instead of graphite. Torn between this slight mod and keeping the exterior OEM.
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I'm really considering the Monza shadow look by getting my inserts black instead of graphite. Torn between this slight mod and keeping the exterior OEM.
....The Monza's are so unique to the GTI that you would easily get away with having black inserts.
The way it would be best done (assuming you don't already know) is to refurb, coat whole wheel black and then diamond-cut the face, finishing with clear lacquer. For extra protection I would recommend going to A1 Wolverhampton (contact Nigel) and having their Aston Martin top grade lacquer.
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Really liking those wheels. :happy2:
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I'm really considering the Monza shadow look by getting my inserts black instead of graphite. Torn between this slight mod and keeping the exterior OEM.
Another recommendation for A1 here :happy2:. Just had mine wheels sorted as can be seen on the pictures during my visit to them last weekend. Diamond cut with black inserts. The quality of the wheels gets 10/10 from me. :congrats:
The guys were extremely helpful and kept me posted whilst the wheels were being sorted during the week. :smiley:
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Look at Holtys car. Reflex silver with Detroits. Great combo.
Your right as that's what i have... :signLOL:
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Look at Holtys car. Reflex silver with Detroits. Great combo.
Your right as that's what i have... :signLOL:
Not quite as good as on a diamond black pearl car though :wink:
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I'm really considering the Monza shadow look by getting my inserts black instead of graphite. Torn between this slight mod and keeping the exterior OEM.
....The Monza's are so unique to the GTI that you would easily get away with having black inserts.
The way it would be best done (assuming you don't already know) is to refurb, coat whole wheel black and then diamond-cut the face, finishing with clear lacquer. For extra protection I would recommend going to A1 Wolverhampton (contact Nigel) and having their Aston Martin top grade lacquer.
I did know that's how it's done Robin, ......but only because I read your write-up on them!
It's looking like A1 then, rather than Lepsons! I'm going to aim to get them done when I'm on hols in September, then they can just have the cart for the whole week. I do like the shadows.