MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: neil86 on March 12, 2012, 08:33:54 pm
As in title do these figures seem ok it drives fine bar the wheel bearing noises am getting since lowering it.


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Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: mkviken on March 12, 2012, 09:45:11 pm
looks spot on. thrust angle is good, toe spot on and caster spot on


my front camber is 0'54 though so different to yours but its green and mine is a mk6. rear camber is same as yours
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: vRSAlex on March 12, 2012, 09:47:52 pm
Perfect settings on a lowered car.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: tony_danza on March 12, 2012, 09:49:27 pm
Get rid of that rear camber and toe in, it'll handle much better. 1/2 degree less than the front and set straight ahead.
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: rich83 on March 12, 2012, 09:51:21 pm
Get rid of that rear camber and toe in, it'll handle much better. 1/2 degree less than the front and set straight ahead.

Still need to get mine adjusted, been meaning to do it for 6 months  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: tony_danza on March 12, 2012, 10:06:34 pm
Loose is fast, and rubbin's racin'. It's why French cars do this  :happy2:

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Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: rich83 on March 12, 2012, 10:10:28 pm
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee  :driver:
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: neil86 on March 12, 2012, 10:27:42 pm
Get rid of that rear camber and toe in, it'll handle much better. 1/2 degree less than the front and set straight ahead.

Could you give me an idea of numbers on the rear and front that you think should be different mate?
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: tony_danza on March 12, 2012, 10:31:44 pm
You can't change the front caster/camber geo without hardware, WALK and/or wishbones/topmounts. The toe in is fine for road use.

Take the rear camber down to .50degrees and zero toe.
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: neil86 on March 12, 2012, 10:55:12 pm
Could the camber and toe on rear be creating bearing sounds within the car? If I take it down to 0.50 won't that be less than the front by half as you said earlier, I just thought you always wanted more on the rear I did asK this at the time of alignment? Cheers
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: rich83 on March 12, 2012, 11:04:23 pm
Have you checked your tyres (especially the rear tyres, inside edge) for uneven wear? That's the most common reason for a bearing type noise.
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: tony_danza on March 12, 2012, 11:06:27 pm
The bearing sound could be your tyres flat spotting due to bad geo, they turn into 50ps and drone.

Yeah, I've suggested knocking a full degree out, but 1/2 minimum. More rear camber is safer, as it gives the rear more lateral grip and ensures understeer is your first point of call... this however makes for a very boring car. Early GTIs had no rear grip, which is why the press loved them and you see loads of shots of them in massive lift-off oversteer slides. They soon changed it when the fecking 'we'll sue for anything' Yanks started sticking them on their roof.
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: neil86 on March 13, 2012, 08:03:39 am
Argh so my settings are ok for standard to modified set up just a safe setup rather than a oversteer twitchy setup I understand now what you mean. Less camber will loosen the rear end. Will have a look at my tyres didn't do it till I dropped the car lol
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: the bruce on March 13, 2012, 08:40:38 am
 :congrats:

Looks fine !!

If you don't track it and like it that way leave it as it is.
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: neil86 on March 13, 2012, 09:44:46 am
Oh I don't track it would like to but fixing all my issues is costing me enough never mind tracking it and breaking it ha ha
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: heavyd on March 13, 2012, 01:05:46 pm
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I had a WALk kit fitted so had a 4 wheel alignment done today.

I noticed that there was a difference bewteen the front cambers, but the bloke said he was unable to adjust them :confused: otherwise is it ok?

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Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: the bruce on March 13, 2012, 01:37:37 pm
Did they try to adjust camber on front?

If they did they had to loosen the subframe. Guess didn't take the time.

Toe is fine.
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: heavyd on March 13, 2012, 01:45:59 pm
No they said they couldnt do it point blank.
It was different on teh before measurements, when I questioned him how it had changed, the reply was it was windy, and a strong gust of wind might have moved the sensor :laugh:

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Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: neil86 on March 13, 2012, 04:19:55 pm
It is slightly adjustable through subframe but not massively. I couldn't get my guy to adjust mine he said the small amounts it's out it wasn't worth it he went through all the adjustments with me. How he explained every thing made sense to me. Although yours seems to have a bigger difference to mine
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: neil86 on March 13, 2012, 04:23:30 pm
Also one adjustment effects another also. As each time mine was adjusted he slightly adjusted another bolt.
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: mkviken on March 13, 2012, 06:43:46 pm
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I had a WALk kit fitted so had a 4 wheel alignment done today.

I noticed that there was a difference bewteen the front cambers, but the bloke said he was unable to adjust them :confused: otherwise is it ok?

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why is there no caster measurement on your alignment?
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: the bruce on March 13, 2012, 11:12:34 pm
The computer doesn't do caster on it's own. You have to move the steering wheel.  :grin:
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: Russ_leeds on March 14, 2012, 01:02:26 am
heavyd mine is the same as yours, im going back on thursday to get them to have a look but my readings are about the same as yours

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42814.0
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: mkviken on March 14, 2012, 07:35:20 pm
The computer doesn't do caster on it's own. You have to move the steering wheel.  :grin:

they mustn't have done it right then as i watched mine get done 2 times now and part of the procedure is to go from lock to lock on the turn tables under the wheels to calibrate the computer.
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: perky85 on March 14, 2012, 07:47:56 pm
The computer doesn't do caster on it's own. You have to move the steering wheel.  :grin:

they mustn't have done it right then as i watched mine get done 2 times now and part of the procedure is to go from lock to lock on the turn tables under the wheels to calibrate the computer.

It can be bypassed so you don't have to do lock to lock & also after adjustments, you can completely bypass all turning sequences
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: mkviken on March 14, 2012, 08:37:07 pm
why would you want to do that though?
Title: Re: Geometry are my settings ok?
Post by: perky85 on March 14, 2012, 08:38:47 pm
I have no idea, but you can do it