MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Sunglasses Ron on May 05, 2009, 11:25:08 pm
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http://www.r32oc.com/general-chat/11737-slow-r32-fast-gti.html
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R32 boys getting picked on again :happy2:
Vtec, What have you done with your motor now, if you dont mind me asking?
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Being used by a near-retired guy within our company to potter about in till i get my licence back mate (minus the mods obviously :wink:)..
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I love reading stuff like that! :signLOL:
Doesn't sound like TC though, his car never comes out of the garage! :wink:
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:grin: i think thats me :D should i post up and tell him it is a 1.4? :P
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it is rather funny when the r32 boys come to play against a mapped gti :evilgrin: :evilgrin: unless there turboed that is !!!!
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:grin: i think thats me :D should i post up and tell him it is a 1.4? :P
LOL, was it really you?!!? If so, then that is absolutely brilliant!!!!!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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:grin: i think thats me :D should i post up and tell him it is a 1.4? :P
LOL, was it really you?!!? If so, then that is absolutely brilliant!!!!!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
haha yeah didnt even think anything of it when we raced as i thought he wasnt trying :laugh:
just posted up now so lets see what sort of replies i get :wink:
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:grin: i think thats me :D should i post up and tell him it is a 1.4? :P
LOL, was it really you?!!? If so, then that is absolutely brilliant!!!!!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
haha yeah didnt even think anything of it when we raced as i thought he wasnt trying :laugh:
just posted up now so lets see what sort of replies i get :wink:
R32 OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I went up against a std R at the Pod meet in Feb and other than the first 60', he diddnt pull any further out and im sure that i was closing towards the end....
The r is definatly the quicker car as std but you can easily make the GTI faster and still come in less £££££££
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Nice one Dan :happy2:
Bet he wished he never posted that now! :laugh: :driver:
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oh dear Mr G I see youve succumbed to the VC frenzy ....
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oh dear Mr G I see youve succumbed to the VC frenzy ....
He is indeed the Sig master! (no offence Micsta :wink:) :happy2:
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Funny. :smiley:
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^ Watch out, Mr G!! There's one of those pesky R32's trying to overtake you! :evilgrin:
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^ Watch out, Mr G!! There's one of those pesky R32's trying to overtake you! :evilgrin:
Unless he had a blower there's no f'n chance! :laugh:
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Hello Nath
Not a prob. New one looks much better anyway. :happy2:
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Hello Nath
Not a prob. New one looks much better anyway. :happy2:
Still got your ones should I fancy a change Mike! :happy2:
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Some entertaining stuff!
At the end of the day the R32 has to put the power through a big differential to get it to the ground so its WHP will be similar to that of many other low hp 2wd cars.
I remember the days of beating impreza's with big power figures in my RWD silvia.
DUBWAYDAN - Whats the full spec on the car? The chap on R32oc were on about the dump valve noise? Guessing thats aftermarket?
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Some entertaining stuff!
At the end of the day the R32 has to put the power through a big differential to get it to the ground so its WHP will be similar to that of many other low hp 2wd cars.
I remember the days of beating impreza's with big power figures in my RWD silvia.
DUBWAYDAN - Whats the full spec on the car? The chap on R32oc were on about the dump valve noise? Guessing thats aftermarket?
engine spec:
bmc cda filter
forge bov spacer
revo stage 1
a few of those r32 guys seem a bit snobby when it comes to 'lesser models; as they refer to them.
i have only replied to the post letting the guy know what it was and theyre sayin stuff like they'd prefer to walk than drive my car :grin:
think theyre just jealous i can get 39mpg :evilgrin:
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Willy waving anyone? :grin:
I think Mr Jules is taking it all to heart! :chicken:
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"Lesser Models" ?? Hardly, with R prices through the floor there's nout in the price. I'd much rather own an ED30 than an .:R
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think theyre just jealous i can get 39mpg :evilgrin:
Thats probably a fair comment. But if your not doing many miles, then MPG figures are just numbers at the end of the day.
engine spec:
bmc cda filter
forge bov spacer
revo stage 1
I've heard about these spacers/adapters which supposedly make a true atmospheric dump of the usually recycled air. Not sure how well this would go down with the DSG box. In the past I have always found fully atmospheric dump valve's tended to make gear changes very lumpy. (In contrast to the smooth change the DSG box has.)
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Just laughed my way through those 4 pages on R32oc.com :grin: The guy is seriously miffed :P
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I'd much rather own an ED30 than an .:R
Heres interesting reading:
R32 Power-to-weight = 163 bhp/tonne
ED30 Power-to-weight = 167 bhp/tonne
GTi Power-to-weight = 148 bhp/tonne
All information taken from parkers "facts and figures" website using stock figures.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/ (http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/)
I know which one I'd choose, oh wait, I already did.
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here's something interesting from the same site
Audi S3 power to weight = 179.38 bhp/tonne :smiley:,
only fishin fellas :happy2:
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Well done Dan!by the looks of some of there replies some of these R32 boys need educating that they are not necessarily the fastest golfs!hmm apparently a remmaped gti now only makes 220bhp :grin:
car looks great btw dan!
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^^^Been laughing my ass off at the R32 lot.
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Great reading that!! :happy2:
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i have only replied to the post letting the guy know what it was and theyre sayin stuff like they'd prefer to walk than drive my car :grin:
That coming from someone who previously said that there were some 'mature' comments being made on this site. Get off your high horse Jules.
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I'd much rather own an ED30 than an .:R
Heres interesting reading:
R32 Power-to-weight = 163 bhp/tonne
ED30 Power-to-weight = 167 bhp/tonne
GTi Power-to-weight = 148 bhp/tonne
All information taken from parkers "facts and figures" website using stock figures.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/ (http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/)
I know which one I'd choose, oh wait, I already did.
Re-mapped ED30 anyone! :driver: :grin:
The R is a very quick car from standstill but there on my money would be on all of the above! :happy2:
Great grip, heavenly soundtrack but not quick enough!
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Hahaha - That was amusing - what is it with R:. owners ? Bet the guy is :sick: ! Brilliant.
I've smoked quite a few R:.'s it is quite funny - although they do sound nice.
Taking the weight from here http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=150194 as 1357kg a 300bhp remap power to weigh ratio will give ...............
225 bhp/tonne
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Going off my last RR result and what it weighed when put on proper car scales at the 30 - 130mph event, mine gave just under 250bhp/tonne... :smiley:
(Awaits for Jonny C to give his Camparo T1 rivaling figure) :grin:
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Hey guys just had to sign up and defend us R32 lot!
Please don't tar us al with the same brush as we aren't all up are own arses as you say.
Most have a general interest in all things automotive and realise some R's are not the ultimate in power or speed..
Anyway I have a old but original MK4 and love it.
So just thought I'd say Hi...
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Welcome to the forum Andy :happy2:
Same goes for us lot, being a bit of a fool crosses all boundries. You dont need to defend yourselves dude most of us on here love the R32 so no worries. :drinking:
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Hey guys just had to sign up and defend us R32 lot!
Please don't tar us al with the same brush as we aren't all up are own arses as you say.
Most have a general interest in all things automotive and realise some R's are not the ultimate in power or speed..
Anyway I have a old but original MK4 and love it.
So just thought I'd say Hi...
Hi Andy :happy2:
We do realise that as we have our fair share of Lardy MK5 owners over here (including me :wink:). I don't think anyone but Jules had taken it to heart! :happy2: :grin:
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here's something interesting from the same site
Audi S3 power to weight = 179.38 bhp/tonne :smiley:,
only fishin fellas :happy2:
fish all you like 'posh golf boy' , with 4wd losses that figure isnt quite as good as it seems......... :evilgrin:
hello and welcome to any R32 owners (nathan aside) , great cars :happy2: Any of you want to join the next forum meet at superchips?
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out of interest what do you think them losses are, bearing in mind they run in 2wd most of the time
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Well to let you know I did a rough calculation of my power to weight and it comes in at a healthy 406bhp/per ton..
It's all just pub talk though if you love it go drive it and enjoy it.
It's your money and your choice what you own so why worry?
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wow, has jules got pmt? sounded like he has the best car in the world! :chicken: I'm glad this is a friendly site :innocent:
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Well to let you know I did a rough calculation of my power to weight and it comes in at a healthy 406bhp/per ton..
It's all just pub talk though if you love it go drive it and enjoy it.
It's your money and your choice what you own so why worry?
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A stock MK4 R32 weighs in at 1510kg. That said, your R32 would need to be putting out 613bhp to have 406bhp/tonne.
So either its a monster, you've stripped her out, or your maths is wrong.
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Well to let you know I did a rough calculation of my power to weight and it comes in at a healthy 406bhp/per ton..
It's all just pub talk though if you love it go drive it and enjoy it.
It's your money and your choice what you own so why worry?
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A stock MK4 R32 weighs in at 1510kg. That said, your R32 would need to be putting out 613bhp to have 406bhp/tonne.
So either its a monster, you've stripped her out, or your maths is wrong.
It's a Monster! :scared:
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HPA TURBO maybe? :driver:
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MK4 weighs 1477kg so I put it in at 1500kg ..
My maths is very good as well thanks and not stripped out as I think engine would have to go to strip it enough.. :signLOL:
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I take it back, I've seen your vid on R32OC. Not what you would exactly call your usual stock R32 :evilgrin: very nice!!!!
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Well to let you know I did a rough calculation of my power to weight and it comes in at a healthy 406bhp/per ton..
It's all just pub talk though if you love it go drive it and enjoy it.
It's your money and your choice what you own so why worry?
When i spotted your car on the 62 i instantly recognized it from about 10 magazine shoots, and i was hoping you where going to take off when you came past, i should have floored it a bit, so you thought i was thinking i could take you. :driver:
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Would not have happened mate I have just changed pistons as not happy with old ones so 3k is my limit..lol
You from round my way then mate?
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Would not have happened mate I have just changed pistons as not happy with old ones so 3k is my limit..lol
You from round my way then mate?
No Bud, from the northwest, i was just on a visit too Raccoon to try out some vinyl for all the carbon junkies on here. :party:
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Well mght see you around at some point mate..
The R32 lot are having a RR day at Awesome on 30th May I'm sure they'd be more than happy if some of you guys wanted to tag along..
I will be having a ride over hopefully but not going on rollers just yet.
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Nearly as bad as the leon cupra owners :grin:
Has anyone of us tried to compare our cars to an ED30? Im under no disillusion its quicker in the dry and rolling!
If i wanted a quick car i wouldnt have gotten an R32 (why does everyone think we believe we have really fast cars?) It simply perfectly suits my needs untill i move out of london (i use fast starts so a 300bhp fwd hatch doesnt suit me as well as an easier to use 250bhp 4wd hatch)
I never said the gti or ed30 are lesser models either, far from it, they just offer something different. The GT is a lesser model, its supposed to be hence the lack of the 'i' after gt.
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I agree :drinking: - The GTI/Ed30 and R32 are sister cars and neither is 'better' than the other - They are each slightly different versions of an excellent car and we each buy whichever suits our individual needs and desires.
Willy-waving is such a waste of time. :rolleye:
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I never said the gti or ed30 are lesser models either, far from it, they just offer something different. The GT is a lesser model, its supposed to be hence the lack of the 'i' after gt.
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Thats absolute tosh. Thats like saying a R8 is less of a vehicle because it doesnt have the "S" part from RS4. . . .
I hope you dont believe what you just said... All things considered I do believe a R32 was beaten by a 1.4TSI or whateva its called. You should be the last to judge all things considered.
Mike
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i fooking love that tom!!
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just my two cents, i have a GT and have no problem agreeing with the fact it is a "lesser model" in the golf mk5 range, comparably!
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I never said the gti or ed30 are lesser models either, far from it, they just offer something different. The GT is a lesser model, its supposed to be hence the lack of the 'i' after gt.
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Thats absolute tosh. Thats like saying a R8 is less of a vehicle because it doesnt have the "S" part from RS4. . . .
I hope you dont believe what you just said... All things considered I do believe a R32 was beaten by a 1.4TSI or whateva its called. You should be the last to judge all things considered.
Mike
I'm sorry but I agree the GT is a lesser model than the R32/Ed30 orGTi hence it cost less has less power lower spec etc
It's like the SE spec cars are lesser models than the GT
You can't really compare the R8 to the RS4 as they are completely different models and do completely different things
If someone said you can have an RS4 or an S4 would you consider them the same?
No one said it was a lesser vehicle but like I said earlier it's down to each individuals requirements,funds and practicality.
I just think people need to enjoy what they have and realise not everyone likes or thinks the same.
After all that would make life a little boring and we'd all be driving boxes..
As for the so called beating was it really a race?
And after all it was only an old MK4..lol
Just my opinion of course... :grin:
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and here comes that famous sayin, that makes everyone on here feel fuzzy and warm inside!
ETTO aka each to their own! now can we all hug and make up? haha!
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The thing JPC is that it is not lesser....
The GTI, .:R32, Edition 30 and GT's are all the same car. Its just the trim and engine that varies.
1. Your cars build quality is the same as Jules right?
2. Your car came from the same factory?
3. You car passed the same quality tests as the R32 etc go through correct?
4. Your vehicle was designed by VW? The same blokes that designed the GTI, R32 etc etc.
5. Your car is a MK5 is it not?
Then how on earth is it lesser compared to any other MK5? Jules is comparing Apples to Apples and because yours isnt as Red/Green as his he sees it as lesser. Thats rubbish and narrow minded in my opinion.
Now.... On another level...
If you had a Polo and Jules had a .:R and he said the Polo was lesser I would agree. Its a different platform. Different design and is a completely different car for a completely different market.
Once again. Here things change because you are comparing Apples to Grapes. There is a difference. Its like comparing a Veyron to a Porsche.
Am I making sense?
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Different people will view cars in different ways, just deal with it!
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just my two cents, i have a GT and have no problem agreeing with the fact it is a "lesser model" in the golf mk5 range, comparably!
Can i just add to this it is simple common sense realizing that all of the models can fit into a category and in general the next one up in the range is a better car :rolleye:
What caused people to raise their eyebrows is comments like i would still rather walk or never bother looking at inferior models this is being elitist and slightly disrespectful to people who may have choose a lower specced car, because it suited their needs.
Confucius says looking down your nose with blinkers on means you see nothing :laugh: ( just made that up by the way. :P )
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Confucius says looking down your nose with blinkers on means you see nothing Laugh ( just made that up by the way. Tongue )
Sig worth IMO :rolleye:
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just read this thred, great stuff dan!!
also read the other side on r32oc, both amuzing :laugh:
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what have i started :scared:
i have to say i dont agree with you on this one jules,
im sure there are lower spec'd gti's than my car as it is pretty much exactly the same as a gti in its current state bar the engine.
ie it has full leather, 18" charlestons etc. i cannot see how it is a 'lesser' model.
for the record i didnt actually beat the r32, i was behind him at the lights, we set off and i kept up with him untill we stopped for a speedy camera :happy2:
i think another 'meeting' is in order to see how they actually compare together :innocent:
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Absolutely brilliant YouTube vid, Tom, and also great mediation :happy2:
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Forum gold!
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Sorry just got back from work :happy2:
The GT is a lesser model, its the lower model of the same platform. The R32 is the flagship golf and the standard golf with the smallest engine is the lowest model.
Its like comparing a 318i sport to an M3, not like a porsche to a veyron or an R8 to an RS4, there completely different models.
Skip forward to today and the premium Golf is no longer marked out by the letters ‘GTI’. It’s now the R32 that tops the range
from
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evolongtermtests/209306/volkswagen_golf_r32.html
Apologies for the juvenile remarks, was offending the guy by joking about his car which was well out of order!
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I feel like I have stepped back into Preschool.... No wait... Its like being in a all boys hostel again... You know? Where teens wave their willy's around trying to be better when they are all the same...
This is my last comment on this thread. I have always noticed a bridge between the .:R peeps and the GTi peeps... I come from an unbiased opinion. I feel my stand point is valid.
No wonder the world doesnt work. BTW. Well out of order doesnt work when you do it over and over again. Dont retaliate to this as Im not going to reply.
Mike
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I feel like I have stepped back into Preschool.... No wait... Its like being in a all boys hostel again... You know? Where teens wave their willy's around trying to be better when they are all the same...
This is my last comment on this thread. I have always noticed a bridge between the .:R peeps and the GTi peeps... I come from an unbiased opinion. I feel my stand point is valid.
No wonder the world doesnt work. BTW. Well out of order doesnt work when you do it over and over again. Dont retaliate to this as Im not going to reply.
Mike
You seem to have a big issue with R32 owners, or something bad happened to you in the 'boys hostel' :confused:? I didnt say the gti or ed30 were lesser models, they are not, they all offer something different. The GT is a lesser model and the car under that is its lesser model.
I also didnt do it over and over again, i dont know anything about lesser models (they dont interest me) the only negative was 'i would rather walk'.
I and other r32 (and S3) owners get on fine with GTI and Ed30 owners on both this forum and the golfgtiforum, seems to be just you with the problem mate which is a shame.
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Hi
You seem to have a big issue with R32 owners,
I have no issue with .:R32 owners. I love the .:R. I do have an issue (something esp noticeable here in SA) with the attitude that most (Not all) .:R owners seem to have. Personally I dont care what a person drives. You shouldnt be calling other vehicles and therefore inadvertantly their owners lesser than you. And nothing bad happened to me in hostel. I was merely stating that your choice of portraying your opinion was done in what seemed to be the manner of a 16 year old waving his willy.
The GT is a lesser model and the car under that is its lesser model.
On this point we disagree. My mum wanted a R32. But because it only comes in 3 door here she had to take the GTI. Are you trying to say she "downgraded"? I dont think so. As I stated. Both cars were designed by the same people, in the same building and built on the same plant. Both vehicles have the same safety standards, quality standards and both are built on the exact same platform. Its comparing apples to apples imho.
I also didnt do it over and over again, i dont know anything about lesser models (they dont interest me) the only negative was 'i would rather walk'.
When I paid for marketing rights on a detailing forum all I could do was go on about my own detailing range cos I felt it was the best... I didnt realise it until someone showed me. I argued blue murder that I had only done it once. But I hadnt and neither have you. Look at any post on golfgtiforum.co.uk where anyone has so much as critiqued or challenged an .:R and there will be a post on there from you which is usually written in a very challenging and sometimes rude manner. Please dont make me waste my time digging them out. Your lack of interest in other models also in my understanding states clearly that you dont respect the other models in the range. Thats your personal choice of course. But you also need to realise that if thats your attitude then you should expect that you will upset members like myself.
I and other r32 (and S3) owners get on fine with GTI and Ed30 owners on both this forum and the golfgtiforum, seems to be just you with the problem mate which is a shame.
I agree on some levels. I also get along perfectly with all owners on any forum with any vehicle. Im lucky as I dont personally own a Golf myself. This means I dont feel biased towards any particular model as I have never owned, driven or compared any of the Golf models.
In a sense the point Im trying to make is that its not fair to automatically assume (Unless you have proof from VW that it is) their flagship car and to assume and pronounce that all Golfs that are not .:R's are lesser.
Mike
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I thought you were not going to reply anymore Micsta. :laugh:
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Sorry Uncle T.
But this is something that I feel strongly about and I feel that this discussion should be had and can be controlled by the Moderators if it was to get out of hand (Which it wont). This is a case where sometimes going against yourself is needed.
Mike
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VW do see it as the flagship. Any car companies top (i.e. most expensive and luxurious model) is their flagship
Audi - R8
BMW -M3
Porsche - 911
etc etc
I defend my car when it is put down unjustly, i dont put down other peoples cars, feel free to dig them up. This is to do with this example (within the two threads) and my apology was directed at him (so i did it once)
Appreciate the time you took for the reply :happy2:
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Thanks Mate :)
Its good to have a decent discussion that doesn't involve calling the police. lol
Quick question. What's ur opinion on Haldex?
Mike
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I'd just like to add that there are many GTI/Ed30 owners who have every respect for other Golf owners whether they are GT's or R32's or even TDI's.
I occasionally frequent the R32OC forum and find as a GTI owner that everyone is very friendly indeed. Any banter is just that - Friendly banter and not serious.
Being boys we are ALL inclined to wave our willies about occasionally.
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^^^ Well said Robin :happy2:
Robin, Greenouse, Flora and I have even ventured in to the R32 den on one of their RR days (and showed them what real power is :P) and survived to tell the tale :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Thanks Mate :)
Its good to have a decent discussion that doesn't involve calling the police. lol
Quick question. What's ur opinion on Haldex?
Mike
Really like it! It allows it to be FWD on the motorway so little power is lost and throws it to the back from standstill. A race controller allows a 70/30 split to the rear iirc on the mk5 :laugh:
Its flawless in the wet, i still have not gotten the TC light to come on!
Can be a tad slow to distribute the power on a fast corner but not too bad in all.
Im liking the idea of the RS3 - 355 bhp 4wd hatch should be brilliant!
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^^^ Well said Robin :happy2:
Robin, Greenouse, Flora and I have even ventured in to the R32 den on one of their RR days (and showed them what real power is :P) and survived to tell the tale :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Some of us couldn't make it though :signLOL:
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^^^ Well said Robin :happy2:
Robin, Greenouse, Flora and I have even ventured in to the R32 den on one of their RR days (and showed them what real power is :P) and survived to tell the tale :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Some of us couldn't make it though :signLOL:
You need to come along to superchips on the 6th June then Andy. Will make alot of people Red Faced :laugh: :happy2:
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Robin, Greenouse, Flora and I have even ventured in to the R32 den on one of their RR days (and showed them what real power is :P) and survived to tell the tale :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
....I think that the R32OC boyz are wanting to invite us to another dyno session - Perhaps someone would like to post a new thread here about it.
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You need to come along to superchips on the 6th June then Andy. Will make alot of people Red Faced :laugh: :happy2:
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Thanks for the invite mate but won't be able to make this one.. :sad:
Awaiting new clutch and still not gonna have final tune on. :happy2:
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Hi Andy :smiley:
How's the twin scroll jobbie :jumping:
I've seen your car parked outside JBS a fair few times over the last 6 months.....anything you want to tell us?
I wonder what JBS could do with one of those on my ED30? :scared:
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Hi Andy :smiley:
How's the twin scroll jobbie :jumping:
I've seen your car parked outside JBS a fair few times over the last 6 months.....anything you want to tell us?
I wonder what JBS could do with one of those on my ED30? :scared:
Hi John :happy2:
Car is going well again mate I have just had some uprated valves fitted,cam chains done and some different pistons fitted!
The JE ones I had in slapped like a bitch when cold and I hated it but new ones seem spot on.
Also had a new clutch fitted but it's crap(southbend stage5,now pulled from sale due to lot of problems) so looking into something different.
Hows your motor doing? Any new mods?
You doing Inters this year? :driver: