MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Sammy on March 18, 2012, 05:58:34 pm
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I have been doing a bit of research on this, Are the results worth getting it mapped, What kind of improvements will there be and any chance this can damage the gearbox?
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I have been doing a bit of research on this, Are the results worth getting it mapped, What kind of improvements will there be and any chance this can damage the gearbox?
GTi or ED30?
From what I have seen from our DSG developement map over the last month I would say yes....
Nick
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But what does it benefit above the Stock Dsg map nick?
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I had mine mapped. Bearing in mind mine was a track slag, yes, simply for the removal of the auto-upshift. I suppose 4WD launching is a benefit too. Otherwise, meh, it's not really going to improve your life that much for what it costs.
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I have been doing a bit of research on this, Are the results worth getting it mapped, What kind of improvements will there be and any chance this can damage the gearbox?
GTi or ED30?
From what I have seen from our DSG developement map over the last month I would say yes....
Nick
It is the standard GTI, What have you developed Nick?
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Nick,
Is the DSG map compatible with my PDT ecu map? (which I am v.happy with)
Nick #2 :happy2:
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Nick,
Is the DSG map compatible with my PDT ecu map? (which I am v.happy with)
Nick #2 :happy2:
+1
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DSG remap made the world of difference on my eddie,
A must have IMO
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DSG remap made the world of difference on my eddie,
A must have IMO
Mind to share the differences? :smiley:
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I've had my ed30 dsg mapped at r-tech,there is a difference eg.quicker shifting,higher shift point, it's always ready when yr in attack mode..I wasn't going to get my dsg box mapped but nick mapped it for free as I was getting a load of stuff done there
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Mine revs to 7.5K now :jumping: no auto change when in M mode is a bonus, generally better to drive as it feels more hardcore and the shift pops at 7.5K is to die for :evilgrin: something which I never use is launch control is at 4K or over as I'm not 100% sure, power is there all over the range as the box doesn't limit anything now to protect itself
It is jerky tho if you change at about 4K whilst on full power, shakes the while car! It's pretty aggressive!
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Mine revs to 7.5K now :jumping: no auto change when in M mode is a bonus, generally better to drive as it feels more hardcore and the shift pops at 7.5K is to die for :evilgrin: something which I never use is launch control is at 4K or over as I'm not 100% sure, power is there all over the range as the box doesn't limit anything now to protect itself
It is jerky tho if you change at about 4K whilst on full power, shakes the while car! It's pretty aggressive!
Sounds like good stuff to me, do you mean jerky inbetween gear shifts meaning its a whole lot more aggressive or the gearbox losing its smoothness?
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Mine revs to 7.5K now :jumping: no auto change when in M mode is a bonus, generally better to drive as it feels more hardcore and the shift pops at 7.5K is to die for :evilgrin: something which I never use is launch control is at 4K or over as I'm not 100% sure, power is there all over the range as the box doesn't limit anything now to protect itself
It is jerky tho if you change at about 4K whilst on full power, shakes the while car! It's pretty aggressive!
Sounds like good stuff to me, do you mean jerky inbetween gear shifts meaning its a whole lot more aggressive or the gearbox losing its smoothness?
It's still smooth, it's smooth when changing at high RPM it's just when changing at low RPM when the torque is at its peak it's very rough, it's part of the DSG mapping tho from what I've seen
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The map we have been working on is based on the S3 DSG set points, its hard to explain how it feels on the road as I dont drive one every day or normal, 9 time out of 10 I drive them WOT...lol IMO normal driving feels more refined and smoother.
In the mapping we change the transmit torque limiters which tend to be 350nm, we just raise these to 550nm but can be set where we or the customer wants, (on just a stage1 ED30 this will make a night and day diffrence to the power delivery)
Shift auto shift speeds between cluthes changed for sport and D mode,
Flappy paddle & M response times raised
DSG shift D & S auto limiter raised to 7100rpm (or where customer wants it at to match engine ecu limiter)
S mode has no auto shift and will hold rpm limiter for WOT but will shift which with slight throttle lift,
S mode will auto down shift to optimised rpm for given gear to so its always ready to pounce.
Launch control rpm can be set to what ever rpm the customer wants
Launch control reaction faster
We are also working on the down shift map blips and torque reduction maps between gear to give more of a kick/sporty feel to the S mode.
Or we can just read your stock DSG maps and change the torque limiters, which from seeing the results for the past month is a must have on all ED30 DSG maps or stage2 GTi maps
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Is it just just available with an rtec ECU map nick?
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Ive got revo on mine and it's brilliant, but I wouldn't have paid for it.
For me the best thing about it is the way it disables auto shift in M mode, much much better than it changing itself too early.
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How much for a DSG remap Nick?
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I've recently had the R-Tech version installed & would recommend it. A review will be coming soon
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The map we have been working on is based on the S3 DSG set points, its hard to explain how it feels on the road as I dont drive one every day or normal, 9 time out of 10 I drive them WOT...lol IMO normal driving feels more refined and smoother.
In the mapping we change the transmit torque limiters which tend to be 350nm, we just raise these to 550nm but can be set where we or the customer wants, (on just a stage1 ED30 this will make a night and day diffrence to the power delivery)
Shift auto shift speeds between cluthes changed for sport and D mode,
Flappy paddle & M response times raised
DSG shift D & S auto limiter raised to 7100rpm (or where customer wants it at to match engine ecu limiter)
S mode has no auto shift and will hold rpm limiter for WOT but will shift which with slight throttle lift,
S mode will auto down shift to optimised rpm for given gear to so its always ready to pounce.
Launch control rpm can be set to what ever rpm the customer wants
Launch control reaction faster
We are also working on the down shift map blips and torque reduction maps between gear to give more of a kick/sporty feel to the S mode.
Or we can just read your stock DSG maps and change the torque limiters, which from seeing the results for the past month is a must have on all ED30 DSG maps or stage2 GTi maps
down shift map blips.....so do you mean it will blip the throttle every time u downshift eg heal&toe??
When is this option available nick..
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The DSG box blips the throttle anyway does it not?
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Fancy doing the dsg7. Its making mine and hurdys hybrid turbo pointless at the moment
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The DSG box blips the throttle anyway does it not?
Yeah it does as standard :happy2:
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Do you have a limit on age of car Nick?
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Mine revs to 7.5K now :jumping: no auto change when in M mode is a bonus, generally better to drive as it feels more hardcore and the shift pops at 7.5K is to die for :evilgrin: something which I never use is launch control is at 4K or over as I'm not 100% sure, power is there all over the range as the box doesn't limit anything now to protect itself
It is jerky tho if you change at about 4K whilst on full power, shakes the while car! It's pretty aggressive!
....Jerky? - Mine (Revo) is very smooooth. You don't shift gear until 7,500 revs?!! - That's far too high to be good for your 2.0T FSI engine.
Ive got revo on mine and it's brilliant, but I wouldn't have paid for it.
For me the best thing about it is the way it disables auto shift in M mode, much much better than it changing itself too early.
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It's subtle and for the usual cost definitely not a must-have! You can drive the car and get a lot out of it without having a DSG remap. It is smooth though and it's very quickly forgotten that your box is remapped. Worth doing but not worth the prices being charged when I last looked.
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Fancy doing the dsg7. Its making mine and hurdys hybrid turbo pointless at the moment
No playing with the newer Temic Tricore FXX EXX stuff yet only the CXX versions. Maybe if i can get a read of the stock DSG map I can sit down and find the basics torque maps and rpm limiters, then over time can play with the shift points. The hard bit is not having any functions documents for the ecu.
@Rich
The down shift blip is on the stock code but I am wanting to play around with the blips and torque/timing reduction maps to give more of a sporty feel and sound for cars with full dect turbo back exhausts.
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Is it just just available with an rtec ECU map nick?
It will work with any map. :happy2:
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How much for a DSG remap Nick?
The basics of the DSG map will be free with all our K04 DGS remaps to compliment the engine remap/torque curve.
550nm Torque limiter DSG map = £100 ( free with remap)
Full DSG map = £200 (£100 with remap)
Full custom DSG setup + £50
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The DSG box blips the throttle anyway does it not?
Yeah it does as standard :happy2:
U sure mate that it blips the throttle in downshifts??better give it a go later to see
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The DSG box blips the throttle anyway does it not?
Yeah it does as standard :happy2:
U sure mate that it blips the throttle in downshifts??better give it a go later to see
Yes. If it don't the DSG would downshift like a dog.
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Sorry am new to this but what is blipping the throttle?
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Sorry am new to this but what is blipping the throttle?
It just means that the DSG applies some revs when downshifting.
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Sorry for bumping such an old topic. But this is the only forum which described some problems like I am facing.
I have a scirocco 2.0 tsi + K04 revo'ed (about ~360 hp) - this car is real m3 e92 killer :))
I've decided to remap DSG with software from some German tuner.
Everything is great - fast upshifting in high RPM's, softer starts\rolling stops.
But.
There is one big problem - when upshifting at 2500-4000 rpms at ~part or full throttle the cars upshift is jerky and it shakes the whole car.
Did anyone faced this problem?
Thank you for any help, very nice forum guys! :)
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Sorry for bumping such an old topic. But this is the only forum which described some problems like I am facing.
I have a scirocco 2.0 tsi + K04 revo'ed (about ~360 hp) - this car is real m3 e92 killer :))
I've decided to remap DSG with software from some German tuner.
Everything is great - fast upshifting in high RPM's, softer starts\rolling stops.
But.
There is one big problem - when upshifting at 2500-4000 rpms at ~part or full throttle the cars upshift is jerky and it shakes the whole car.
Did anyone faced this problem?
Thank you for any help, very nice forum guys! :)
Yes... i have the same. Changing at 2500-3500 RPM at FULL throttle results in a very sudden and jerky gearchange. I just let the engine rev out a little more before changing or just marginally lift of the throttle.
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Yes... i have the same. Changing at 2500-3500 RPM at FULL throttle results in a very sudden and jerky gearchange. I just let the engine rev out a little more before changing or just marginally lift of the throttle.
Richwig, how long you've been facing (in miles or km) this problem? Isn't this shake bad for DSG?
What remap for dsg and engine are you using (from what company)?
Have your tuner said something about this problem?
Thnks for such fast answer :)
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I could be wrong but I think mine only blips the throttle on downshift when in sport mode... Not that I use it in sport mode much ... Lazy ass D mode for general everyday and manual with the stick shift when pushing on...
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Yes... i have the same. Changing at 2500-3500 RPM at FULL throttle results in a very sudden and jerky gearchange. I just let the engine rev out a little more before changing or just marginally lift of the throttle.
Richwig, how long you've been facing (in miles or km) this problem? Isn't this shake bad for DSG?
What remap for dsg and engine are you using (from what company)?
Have your tuner said something about this problem?
Thnks for such fast answer :)
REVO DSG map.... its happened ever since its been remapped.