MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Johnny_tro on March 18, 2012, 08:44:51 pm
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I have GT TDI - and have to say its a lovely car. I've recently cut down on my mileage (a lot) and thinking toward to end of the year - should a GTI be on the cards. Now I got my Gt with 80k on the clock, full dealer history one owner etc. and it seems bullet proof.
General advice.....
If I was to look for the petrol, would you say not really look at anything over 40k -50k mileage?
GTI < seems to be the easiest to buy (lot about)
ED30 owners < these are a lot more, price wise. What I would like to know, WHY did you choose an ED30 and not go to an R32 - as prices on these don't seem far off?
If you have the ££ spare guys, would more of you go for the R32?
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For me the R32 was not exciting to drive, I drive the R32 and yes it sounded nice but was no where close to a gti! Gti was right the moment i sat inside it, drive was more lively,
Picked my ED30 as due to the mod factor, I like to mod my cars and the ED30 is far more modable then the R32
R32 tyres costs more...due the fact you will need 4
R32 tax costs
It may be a 3.2V6 but it's heavy and for a 3.2 V6 in a golf....it's performance isn't great :ashamed:
Don't get me wrong i like the R32 and I'm trying to get my Mrs to buy one :signLOL: so I can have the sound and the power of my ED30
Love the ED30's looks!
It's what you think tho! The above is only my opinion :happy2:
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In today's climate you'd be mad not to buy an Edition 30. When I bought my standard GTI nearly 5 years ago prices were still very high and demand was so great that good cars were flying out of showrooms. I bought a 1 year old car, being the first to see it with a queue of people behind me. Used Edition 30s back then were very rare. It's a totally different story at the moment. GTIs are everywhere and are being sold for next to nothing, and Edition 30s are also easily obtainable. Some of the GTIs that go in the classifieds astound me. The value for money is crazy.
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The reasons I chose an ed30 over an R32 were road tax costs, mpg, heavier front end, tyres (just replaced my rears for the first time @ 51k), the (apologies) gash r32 alloys, cost per bhp when tuning....the main decider was the 300bhp engine in the ed30 gave me a massive grin :jumping:
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Opionions is what I'm after.....!
The R32 is exciting me, but costs putting me offer.
Value for money - agree GTI. Being a novice......
The ED30 - whats the add ons over a GTI then? was it just upgrade suspension, brakes and a bit more BHP?
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Before I was married & had expendable income I could've justified the higher £/bhp and very ditched the Cupra and scratched the R itch
Kinda glad I stuck with the Cupra as I wouldn't have finished what I planned for an R
Would you consider a Cupra? The wing mirrors......
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Opionions is what I'm after.....!
The R32 is exciting me, but costs putting me offer.
Value for money - agree GTI. Being a novice......
The ED30 - whats the add ons over a GTI then? was it just upgrade suspension, brakes and a bit more BHP?
Larger turbo, body coloured bumper,skirts etc, wheels, interior has a few different touches including seats, limited number made. Im sure there a few others as well?
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Before I was married & had expendable income I could've justified the higher £/bhp and very ditched the Cupra and scratched the R itch
Kinda glad I stuck with the Cupra as I wouldn't have finished what I planned for an R
Would you consider a Cupra? The wing mirrors......
Who wants one of those messes on wheels :P
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I cry.
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if i was buying with the intention of tuning i'd get an Eddy. if not i'd get an R32. simples.
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I cry.
:signLOL: just kidding :drinking:
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I looked at many car's and chose the Edition30 as it was so easy to get so much more power after a stage one remap and look's a lot more refined than a standard GTI(R32 rear look's the nut's for me),the R32 sound's fantastic but it cost's so much more to run,I drove a R32 before making my mind up but it did'nt seem quick,I still get a smile on my face everytime I put my foot down in the ED30 as there is so much power top end and my new sach's clutch is'nt even fitted yet! :laugh:
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The suspension and brakes are the same.
I had a R32 before the Perilli (basically an ED30)
I am much more happy with the Gti compared to the R32.
The GTi for me is just so much more an all round better car, a lot quicker when tuned, cheaper to run and more civilised when required. Although less grip from fwd it's lighter, handles better and cheaper as there is no haldex to go wrong/service.
Don't get me wrong I loved the R32 but I got bored as after a while it felt sluggish.
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For me it was the fact you can stage 1 an edition 30 and end up with ~290bhp. Also they are a bit more subdued that the r32, and doesn't attract much attention. :-)
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Veyron slaying R32 ftw. :grin:
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I bought the ed30 over a r32 for tuning, fuel tax etc... When I owned mine I did very low mileage and looking back I kind of wish I'd had a r32. I still think they look special when I see them. Yeah my ed30 was way faster but so what, it's irrelevant most the time. I'd find a r32 with the right options ( recaros, xenons,dsg, 3dr ) and stick a milltek on !!
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r32 = more fuel, heavier, not has tunable , and probably on the robbers wish list
gti = TURBO, lighter, easy tunable, less fuel, and alround better car imo
what car would I want next? 3dr pirelli 6MT
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For me it was the fact you can stage 1 an edition 30 and end up with ~290bhp. Also they are a bit more subdued that the r32, and doesn't attract much attention. :-)
Could not agree more, some of the reasons for getting my ED30. The k04 turbo'd engine has got SO much room for your own personnal improvement/touch. Plus the prices of Ed30's in general have come down recently mor than normal. :happy2:
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i got my Ed30 because all the standard gtis were poor when i was looking, never even looked at an r32 becuase of the price.
i am VERY happy with it, and i am told better than r32 handling wise and easier to tune!
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I bought my Ed30 as its what I wanted for tuning potentiall (im looking at going stage 2 in the next 3 months) and thought having 330bhp would be nice :happy2:
I already know my next car will be a Golf R in about 4 years time :notworthy:
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i got my Ed30 because all the standard gtis were poor when i was looking, never even looked at an r32 becuase of the price.
i am VERY happy with it, and i am told better than r32 handling wise and easier to tune!
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i was always under the illusion the R32 was far better at handling than the gti or eddy?
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LOL, have you ever read a review of the R32?
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LOL, have you ever read a review of the R32?
Tell me more ?
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LOL, have you ever read a review of the R32?
Tell me more ?
A great quote about the R32 -
"Some poor Wolfsburg mensch would have to fire up the heavy-duty forklift and attempt to prise that lardy six-pot into the engine bay of an unsuspecting hatchback. Then he'd do the same with a rear differential, a prop-shaft and some driveshafts. Whereupon a familiar vocabulary would be bestowed upon the vehicle. First would come the inert steering, then the shabby body control, closely followed by curiously asthmatic performance. But all of it would be overshadowed by the main event - some good ol' 4wd understeer."
It's a heavy Golf with a very heavy engine right up front. Of course it's not going to handle as well as a GTI.
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I bought my Ed30 as its what I wanted for tuning potentiall (im looking at going stage 2 in the next 3 months) and thought having 330bhp would be nice :happy2:
I already know my next car will be a Golf R in about 4 years time :notworthy:
Oh yes, Golf R :congrats:, am with you there fella, join the Q!!
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:P I Love my R32, yep it is a heavy engine !
A few tweaks massively improve the handling, arbs, walk, coils and if you add a blue haldex controller that's something else :pomppomp:
Still Won't be as nibble as a GTi or as easy to tune, only real way is to supercharge or turbo !
I wouldn't change it I really love the R, the sound, the presence, the Rare factor !
The R does have the upper hand in the wet and in the corners tho.
The R is a thirsty one still wouldn't change it, every time I start it up and hear that exhaust tone it just makes my day !
It's a pity it's the last V6 :sad1:
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I bought my Ed30 as its what I wanted for tuning potentiall (im looking at going stage 2 in the next 3 months) and thought having 330bhp would be nice :happy2:
I already know my next car will be a Golf R in about 4 years time :notworthy:
Yep I want an R20 too !
I wish they did it in DBP tho !
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Stick the golf R20 :sick:
R32 may be a heavy old girl and not tuneable but none the less if you just want to enjoy the sound of N/A V6 on a hot summers day and don't want to try and race E90 M3's like me :driver: then the R32 is a dam fine car :happy2:
That's something we can all agree on
I'd love to be able to have both Eddie and R32 but I'm too poor!
As for the Golf R....it has a back end like a bus :signLOL: as you can tell I'm not a fan on the golf R! Rocco R yes...but no 4WD isn't great :sad1:
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LOL, have you ever read a review of the R32?
Tell me more ?
A great quote about the R32 -
"Some poor Wolfsburg mensch would have to fire up the heavy-duty forklift and attempt to prise that lardy six-pot into the engine bay of an unsuspecting hatchback. Then he'd do the same with a rear differential, a prop-shaft and some driveshafts. Whereupon a familiar vocabulary would be bestowed upon the vehicle. First would come the inert steering, then the shabby body control, closely followed by curiously asthmatic performance. But all of it would be overshadowed by the main event - some good ol' 4wd understeer."
It's a heavy Golf with a very heavy engine right up front. Of course it's not going to handle as well as a GTI.
Have you ever driven one Andrew?
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I'm a big fan of the r32, it's different, a 3.2 v6 in a golf! How is that not cool? as far as handling goes, it's not meant to be a gti!!! It's like everything, try em both make up your mind, if you want more feel and speed buy a meg 250.... Sorry I mean ed30 :signLOL: if you want somethIng of a fast cruiser buy the r32 which has to have one of the best sounding engines out there IMO
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LOL, have you ever read a review of the R32?
Tell me more ?
A great quote about the R32 -
"Some poor Wolfsburg mensch would have to fire up the heavy-duty forklift and attempt to prise that lardy six-pot into the engine bay of an unsuspecting hatchback. Then he'd do the same with a rear differential, a prop-shaft and some driveshafts. Whereupon a familiar vocabulary would be bestowed upon the vehicle. First would come the inert steering, then the shabby body control, closely followed by curiously asthmatic performance. But all of it would be overshadowed by the main event - some good ol' 4wd understeer."
It's a heavy Golf with a very heavy engine right up front. Of course it's not going to handle as well as a GTI.
Have you ever driven one Andrew?
I have. I'd also have one in a heartbeat! It's a very special car, but it's not as nimble as a GTI. That's a fact.
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which has to have one of the best sounding engines out there IMO
It has love starting the car from cold :love:
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I upset the fanboi's on R32OC by suggesting a stock ED30 would keep one honest. Oops.
Having owned both I think I am fit to comment. The R32 though is special, theatrical, musical and not a bad steer to boot. Yes there are better but I would own another in a heartbeat given 6 numbers. :wink:
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I've owned a regular GTI, a Cupra, and an R32. R32 was disappointing. More expensive to tax, insure, run and mod (for power). The sound is immense tho!!
Only thing about an Eddy or regular GTI is the relatively poor brakes. Another mod on the list...
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I bought my Ed30 as its what I wanted for tuning potentiall (im looking at going stage 2 in the next 3 months) and thought having 330bhp would be nice :happy2:
I already know my next car will be a Golf R in about 4 years time :notworthy:
Oh yes, Golf R :congrats:, am with you there fella, join the Q!!
The Golf R is definitely going to be a future car! :drool:
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I upset the fanboi's on R32OC by suggesting a stock ED30 would keep one honest. Oops.
Having owned both I think I am fit to comment. The R32 though is special, theatrical, musical and not a bad steer to boot. Yes there are better but I would own another in a heartbeat given 6 numbers. :wink:
Well they just cannot hack the truth.... Ed30 would easy keep up with a stock r32 on a rolling start.
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I was always lead to belive a stock ED30 had the edged on a stock R32 :popcornsoda:
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As for the Golf R....it has a back end like a bus :signLOL: as you can tell I'm not a fan on the golf R! Rocco R yes...but no 4WD isn't great :sad1:
Hang on a mo, the Golf R has a back end like a bus but you love the rocco R?, thats like saying you prefer a small bum on a lady and taking J-Lo over Kate Moss :signLOL:
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As for the Golf R....it has a back end like a bus :signLOL: as you can tell I'm not a fan on the golf R! Rocco R yes...but no 4WD isn't great :sad1:
Hang on a mo, the Golf R has a back end like a bus but you love the rocco R?, thats like saying you prefer a small bum on a lady and taking J-Lo over Kate Moss :signLOL:
They look completely different :stupid:
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Yeah, the Scirocco has a massive arse that shames the last generation Megane and the Golf doesn't!
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Maybe I should have worded differently, Golf R back end like Beyonce, Scirocco R back end like J-Lo (Huge!).
Was not having a pop, just did not sound right saying Golf R has huge back end then saying you love the Rocco R with an even bigger back end :signLOL:
Someone else said they like R32 for rarity?, since owning my Ed30 (October last year) I have seen 2 Ed30's and seen about 17 R32's (MK5), maybe there are lots of them round my way :laugh:
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Maybe I should have worded differently, Golf R back end like Beyonce, Scirocco R back end like J-Lo (Huge!).
Was not having a pop, just did not sound right saying Golf R has huge back end then saying you love the Rocco R with an even bigger back end :signLOL:
Someone else said they like R32 for rarity?, since owning my Ed30 (October last year) I have seen 2 Ed30's and seen about 17 R32's (MK5), maybe there are lots of them round my way :laugh:
Oh I get you, I guess I like the slouched back end en of the rocco, golf is just to flat for me
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I was always lead to belive a stock ED30 had the edged on a stock R32 :popcornsoda:
it does... but not in the wet
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I was always lead to belive a stock ED30 had the edged on a stock R32 :popcornsoda:
it does... but not in the wet
Yep I can confirm that one of the R32's in the dry failed to keep up with std ED30, only when it came to the roundabouts didi he reign me in a little only for me to gap him again on the straight stuff :signLOL:
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Thought the ed30 handled better? :signLOL:
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Thought the ed30 handled better? :signLOL:
It might well do but he attacked the roundabouts faster than I was doing (I am getting old!) :signLOL:
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I like my R32 coz it's the King Of The Golfs!
I now have my fingers in my ears and am singing loudly so as not to hear any arguments against this stone cold fact... :P
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Don't forget the Mk4 R32! Much better car than the Mk5 R32, and a single turbo can be put on for £4k, and 340bhp. :drool:
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Don't forget the Mk4 R32! Much better car than the Mk5 R32, and a single turbo can be put on for £4k, and 340bhp. :drool:
Better built maybe but far worse chassis wise.
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I like my R32 coz it's the King Of The Golfs!
I now have my fingers in my ears and am singing loudly so as not to hear any arguments against this stone cold fact... :P
Thought the Golf R was king of the golfs having an extra 20 ponies over the R32 and being put on bit of a diet compared to R32 :signLOL:
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Don't forget the Mk4 R32! Much better car than the Mk5 R32, and a single turbo can be put on for £4k, and 340bhp. :drool:
Thats like putting a racing Jockey on a Shire Horse tho :booty:
And a stage 2 ED30 will still show the R32 its tailpipes :signLOL: even with a lower price tag and only £1600 in tuning for ED30 :booty:
:signLOL: :signLOL:
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Better built, better looking, nicer interior, nicer wheels, not as heavy........ cracking motors! The mk5 R32 is to the R brand what the Mk 4 GTi was to the GTi name :signLOL:
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Better built, better looking, nicer interior, nicer wheels, not as heavy........ cracking motors! The mk5 R32 is to the R brand what the Mk 4 GTi was to the GTi name :signLOL:
Whoahh I loved my MK4 GTI althought it was not the best handling car :P
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Better built, better looking, nicer interior, nicer wheels, not as heavy........ cracking motors! The mk5 R32 is to the R brand what the Mk 4 GTi was to the GTi name :signLOL:
Whoahh I loved my MK4 GTI althought it was not the best handling car :P
I loved mine as well, I had the 1.8T, but it shouldn't have been called a GTi. It was nothing more than a luxury warm hatch.
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Better built, better looking, nicer interior, nicer wheels, not as heavy........ cracking motors! The mk5 R32 is to the R brand what the Mk 4 GTi was to the GTi name :signLOL:
Whoahh I loved my MK4 GTI althought it was not the best handling car :P
I loved mine as well, I had the 1.8T, but it shouldn't have been called a GTi. It was nothing more than a luxury warm hatch.
Yes true, mine lasted 6 days before it went to Jabba for stage 1 (203bhp) then later it got a stainless exhaust (lasted 6 weeks then take off) too boomy for me.
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I like my R32 coz it's the King Of The Golfs!
I now have my fingers in my ears and am singing loudly so as not to hear any arguments against this stone cold fact... :P
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Love my R32, never had a car that has had so many compliments and offers to buy it off me, my anwser not for sale !
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I thought the MKIV 1.8 turbo was alright, well the 180 bhp version anyway.
What was an absolute disgrace is the 2.0 8 valve version they did with 115 bhp.
How they could call this a Gti I will never know.
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Everyone swears by the build quality of the 1.8T
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Everyone swears by the build quality of the 1.8T
It's far from bullet proof, largely due to their age. Lots of issues with split vac. pipes etc etc. Ask nick from R-Tech, he will have seen all the issues first hand.
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The TDI anniversary was the one to get out of the MK4 GTI, 1.8T sucks :signLOL:
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I loved my 1.8t ! Had stage 2 with decat, cool overs , anniversary kit , brides Ali interior trim, lm reps ... Miss it :-(
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Everyone swears by the build quality of the 1.8T
My boss has a 1.8T 225 Audi TT from new that he's just taken past 100k miles. Never had a problem with it bar a bad coil pack.
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Everyone swears by the build quality of the 1.8T
It's far from bullet proof, largely due to their age. Lots of issues with split vac. pipes etc etc. Ask nick from R-Tech, he will have seen all the issues first hand.
A split vac pipe and a broken driver side window regulator was all that ever went wrong with mine in 5 years of having it, usual servicing, brakes/pads tyres aside.
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I thought the MKIV 1.8 turbo was alright, well the 180 bhp version anyway.
What was an absolute disgrace is the 2.0 8 valve version they did with 115 bhp.
How they could call this a Gti I will never know.
Ity wasn't the power that was the problem, it was the handling and lack of steering feel. For me, these are 2 of the fundamental characteristics that make a GTi a GTi, as delivered in Mks 1, 2, 5 & 6.
I totally agree, the 2.0 8 valve was a total disgrace, and a very cynical (and damaging) piece of marketing. :fighting:
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I may be wrong but to my understanding, I thougth the MK4 had better feed back as the steering is not electrical as the MK5 range.
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I may be wrong but to my understanding, I thougth the MK4 had better feed back as the steering is not electrical as the MK5 range.
The MK4 had appalling steering. Who on earth is providing you with this info? :laugh:
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I had a mk4 R32 and loved it. The car was great fun and was bullet proof. It Loved to be driven hard but the downsides were that it ate through tyres when driven hard, not as comfortable as my ed30 and it wasnt very practical. I loved R32 and that noise and I love my ed30. My ed30 is faster and easier to drive smoothly.
Both great cars!!
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always the r32 for me.. and im not biased in anyway :innocent:
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The 2.0 mk4 GTI was an about face rescue mission, as it was originally a non turbo 1.8. It was slightly lacking in torque, so VW whacked in the old lump from the mk3.
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Went to look at a GTI today (looked at far too many now) they had an R32 id be lying if i said I wasn't tempted. They look so tasty and the sounds amazing! What are the extra running cost that one would need to be aware of over a GTI?
They also sound very tasty and what is the MPG compared to a golf GTI.
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Extra costs I can think of are:
Road tax £460 instead of Gti at £245 although thu probably sneakily increased this in the budget.
From owning both I'd say between 5-8mpg worse off fuel wise.
You will get through tyres quicker as its heavier and 4wd
Haldex service for 4 wheel drive although I think this is only every 40,000 and probably £100 a time.
2 extra spark plugs on a service, again minimal cost. Plus 2 more coul packs if you ever need to replace.
Insurance was similar for me.
I can't think of anything else that's obvious at the minute.
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.:R32 with a turbo, or even two of the soldiers is of course, a different story; :party:
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Went to look at a GTI today (looked at far too many now) they had an R32 id be lying if i said I wasn't tempted. They look so tasty and the sounds amazing! What are the extra running cost that one would need to be aware of over a GTI?
They also sound very tasty and what is the MPG compared to a golf GTI.
I would take the R32 over the GTI everyday.... even though my mk6 revod GTI was probably on parr with the R32, the R32 would give me a smile everytime I drove it. The GTI only does sometimes.
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Extra costs I can think of are:
Road tax £460 instead of Gti at £245 although thu probably sneakily increased this in the budget.
From owning both I'd say between 5-8mpg worse off fuel wise.
You will get through tyres quicker as its heavier and 4wd
Haldex service for 4 wheel drive although I think this is only every 40,000 and probably £100 a time.
2 extra spark plugs on a service, again minimal cost. Plus 2 more coul packs if you ever need to replace.
Insurance was similar for me.
I can't think of anything else that's obvious at the minute.
Thanks for the reply some very useful info.
Ive just had a quick look insurance quotes they seem reasonable.
The road tax though is excessive. But hey its the price to pay for having performance cars.
Having owned both what did you like and dislike about the two cars comparing them side by side? How much quicker did the R32 feel Vs GTI. Which did you enjoy more personally? Apologies for the questions!!
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Went to look at a GTI today (looked at far too many now) they had an R32 id be lying if i said I wasn't tempted. They look so tasty and the sounds amazing! What are the extra running cost that one would need to be aware of over a GTI?
They also sound very tasty and what is the MPG compared to a golf GTI.
I would take the R32 over the GTI everyday.... even though my mk6 revod GTI was probably on parr with the R32, the R32 would give me a smile everytime I drove it. The GTI only does sometimes.
Ive driven a GTI mk 5 to me it felt wonderful currently drive a polo (needed to build no claims as a young driver). You couldn't explain what made you smile about the R32 every time where did the GTI fall short for you.
Mechanically is there anything i should especially look out for when buying an R32 over a GTI?
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How much quicker did the R32 feel Vs GTI.
It probably doesn't feel quicker, a) because it isn't really and b) the power delivery is very linear compared to a boost-and-go turbo engined car, but look down at the speedo and you'll see it's not slow by any means...
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Thats a fair point. E46 M3 didn't feel that quick.....then you look at the speedo...... :grin: :grin: :grin:
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If you get a pre-March 06 R32 then road tax is a bit more manageable. :wink:
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Ive driven a GTI mk 5 to me it felt wonderful currently drive a polo (needed to build no claims as a young driver). You couldn't explain what made you smile about the R32 every time where did the GTI fall short for you.
Mechanically is there anything i should especially look out for when buying an R32 over a GTI?
Its hard to sum up easily.. but in addition to that noise the fact that its an everyday car thats much more capable than all the other FWD hothatches. I dont like to hang around and the r32 made 'making progress' in any conditions just so simple without the drama of wheel spin and waiting for a turbo to kick in
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Thanks for the reply some very useful info.
Ive just had a quick look insurance quotes they seem reasonable.
The road tax though is excessive. But hey its the price to pay for having performance cars.
Having owned both what did you like and dislike about the two cars comparing them side by side? How much quicker did the R32 feel Vs GTI. Which did you enjoy more personally? Apologies for the questions!!
My R32 was a MKIV however I did drive a MKV R32 before I bought my GTi and actually preferred my MKIV.
I was actually looking for a MK5 R32 and after looking at a few started to look at Gti's.
Edition 30's I should mention so 230bhp.
I'm glad I went for the Gti as I love the power delivery of a turbo.
The bits I miss about the R32 are the sound, it really is an great engine, so smooth.
Unfortunately its just not quick enough. It's a much heavier car than the Gti and it doesn't have a massive amount more power.
Its nice to have 4wd but i haven't really missed it that much, I don't push the car anywhere near its limits.
If you are looking at standard Gti's vs R32 I would go with the R32 but if you are looking at Edition 30 Gti's I'd go for that.
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Wow. It sounds like a weapon! I really am thinking of looking at them now after seeing todays example.
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Thanks for the reply some very useful info.
Ive just had a quick look insurance quotes they seem reasonable.
The road tax though is excessive. But hey its the price to pay for having performance cars.
Having owned both what did you like and dislike about the two cars comparing them side by side? How much quicker did the R32 feel Vs GTI. Which did you enjoy more personally? Apologies for the questions!!
My R32 was a MKIV however I did drive a MKV R32 before I bought my GTi and actually preferred my MKIV.
I was actually looking for a MK5 R32 and after looking at a few started to look at Gti's.
Edition 30's I should mention so 230bhp.
I'm glad I went for the Gti as I love the power delivery of a turbo.
The bits I miss about the R32 are the sound, it really is an great engine, so smooth.
Unfortunate its just not quick enough. It's a much heavier car than the Gti and it doesn't have a massive amount more power.
Its nice to have 4wd but i haven't really missed it that much, I don't push the car anywhere near its limits.
If you are looking at standard Gti's vs R32 I would go with the R32 but if you are looking at Edition 30 Gti's I'd go for that.
I was looking for edition 30's but couldn't find any spec to my taste etc. So started looking at GTI's. Then I saw this R32 up close and personal. I really think that cars like the R32 will no longer exist as sad but true due to "greenies" they're being outlawed. I feel that that GTI's will forever be around. Im just worried about the running cost coming as a shock. I only do about 10K a year though. I never thought I'd have a dilemma over my choice of car!
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If you get a pre-March 06 R32 then road tax is a bit more manageable. :wink:
Thats a nice nugget of info! :happy2: :happy2: :happy2:
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i also went to showroom to get a gti... when the salesman said have you seen this!! He started up the r and revved it a little. I was sold :driver:
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I had a brief look at Edition 30s and the wife said I was not getting a car with tartan seats!
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i also went to showroom to get a gti... when the salesman said have you seen this!! He started up the r and revved it a little. I was sold :driver:
:signLOL: I didn't allow him to tempt me! If the car had DSG I may have allowed him. :smiley: How long have you had your car? Is there a UK R32 forum?
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I had a brief look at Edition 30s and the wife said I was not getting a car with tartan seats!
Funny enough a lot my whole family hate the idea of tartan seats but love the leather of the GTI.
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Is there a UK R32 forum?
Yup. www.r32oc.com
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I had a brief look at Edition 30s and the wife said I was not getting a car with tartan seats!
Funny enough a lot my whole family hate the idea of tartan seats but love the leather of the GTI.
That's why I bought a pirelli, it has far better seats than those tartan efforts.
As for spec you get more standard equipment in the R32 the main one for me being Xenons.
Luckily I found a Pirelli with pretty much every option on.
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Is there a UK R32 forum?
Yup. www.r32oc.com
Just ask on there, they will tell you that the GTI ed30 is the best ;-)
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Pirellis were silly money still when I was looking 2 years ago, around the 20 grand and upwards mark!
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Is there a UK R32 forum?
Yup. www.r32oc.com
Just ask on there, they will tell you that the GTI ed30 is the best ;-)
t=3m22s
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Is there a UK R32 forum?
Yup. www.r32oc.com
Just ask on there, they will tell you that the GTI ed30 is the best ;-)
t=3m22s
:grin: :grin: :grin:
yes the ed30 v r32 argument has been done to death! some site the fact that the ed30 was almost 3secs slower around the TG track as a clue as to which is quicker. Some will quote straight line speeds to say the ED30 is quicker. Ultimately the ride/handling and sound track for me just pip the ed30... and like I said im not biased :jumpmove:
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Forget the noise..... Just admit it..... The r32 is a tub o' lard. :-)
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What's wrong with the ED30 seats! :fighting: there pretty much the same as the GTI with out the leather bolsters!
ED30 seats FTW!
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They look like a Jock's skirt!
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They look like a Jock's skirt!
.... With a turbo though. ;-)
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I love the seats in my Ed30, although I do like the Pirelli seats too, but I prefer the Pescaras to the pirelli wheels so its a trade off, as he said they were (PIrelli) silly money back then, now they have come down a lot in price and are same money as a good Ed30. When the Golf R gets down to 15K thats the only time My ED30 will be leaving :happy2:
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That's the sort of price I'd want to pay for an R, but I reckon you'll be looking at a 4 year old car by the time they're that kind of money.
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According to my brother Golf R after 3yrs should be possible after 4 years very easy, I always let someone else pay the massive 3 yr depreciation anyway :happy2:
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Oldest ones are 2yo now and still around 25 grand. You think they'll lose 10 big ones in a year? I'm not so sure, but I'll definitely be checking!
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Is there a UK R32 forum?
Yup. www.r32oc.com
Just ask on there, they will tell you that the GTI ed30 is the best ;-)
t=3m22s
Thats funny! :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
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I don't see Golf R values becoming 15K in a years time they're 25K at the moment. I reckon it'll be two more years till we see 15K. Though thats more a guess on my part!
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Oldest ones are 2yo now and still around 25 grand. You think they'll lose 10 big ones in a year? I'm not so sure, but I'll definitely be checking!
Yup they are definately holding their money currently (artificially I think) according to my bro (in the industry) he reckons a 3yo R ave miles and spec should be around the £16-17k mark (higher miles less money) a 4yo should be around £14.5k. Obviosuly you need to buy at trade (auction) to get those prices :happy2:
In regards to R32 versus ED30 debate youn can compare them to women.
The ED30 is lighter, more fun (Filty) and a bit more adventurous (You can tune her higher and do things to her you wont do to the "Nice" R32), whereas the slightly chubby R32 is a reliable old girl you could take home to meet your mother :signLOL:
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What kind of auctions would one go to see these cars at that kind of price?
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What kind of auctions would one go to see these cars at that kind of price?
BCA, Mannheim, most ex lease auctions etc etc.
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Forget the noise..... Just admit it..... The r32 is a tub o' lard. :-)
quicker than the ed30 in standard form... I had my R32 when the ed30 first came out so there werent too many modded ED30's about then. Yes there are more gains to be had from the ED30, but they come at a cost and always limited by front wheels. You make your choices... :happy2:
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Forget the noise..... Just admit it..... The r32 is a tub o' lard. :-)
:congrats: (Mk5, anyway)
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ED30 is faster than the R32 in standard form, who cares about "traction of line" you wait till the ED30 catches 2nd...see ya
4WD is for fags :signLOL:
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ED30 is faster than the R32 in standard form, who cares about "traction of line" you wait till the ED30 catches 2nd...see ya
4WD is for fags :signLOL:
So you'll be a fag in 2 years when you're driving your R. We'll all be fags together! :love:
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ED30 is faster than the R32 in standard form, who cares about "traction of line" you wait till the ED30 catches 2nd...see ya
4WD is for fags :signLOL:
there is no way an ed30 is quicker than the R32 std v std.
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ED30 is faster than the R32 in standard form, who cares about "traction of line" you wait till the ED30 catches 2nd...see ya
4WD is for fags :signLOL:
there is no way an ed30 is quicker than the R32 std v std.
Sadly it is. I owned both back to back so am well qualified to speak. :smiley:
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ED30 is faster than the R32 in standard form, who cares about "traction of line" you wait till the ED30 catches 2nd...see ya
4WD is for fags :signLOL:
there is no way an ed30 is quicker than the R32 std v std.
Sadly it is. I owned both back to back so am well qualified to speak. :smiley:
moi also :happy2:
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Hard to find sites where you can compare the 2, but I did find this one, which has a disappointing conclusion: http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/vw_golf_mk_v_r32-vs-vw_golf_mk_v_gti_edition_30.html
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ED30 is faster than the R32 in standard form, who cares about "traction of line" you wait till the ED30 catches 2nd...see ya
4WD is for fags :signLOL:
there is no way an ed30 is quicker than the R32 std v std.
Have any car mags tested both 0-60, 0-100, 30-70 etc?
I'd imagine they're pretty similar?
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ED30 is faster than the R32 in standard form, who cares about "traction of line" you wait till the ED30 catches 2nd...see ya
4WD is for fags :signLOL:
there is no way an ed30 is quicker than the R32 std v std.
Have any car mags tested both 0-60, 0-100, 30-70 etc?
I'd imagine they're pretty similar?
yes a few. TG power lap times had the R32 nearly 3 sec quicker around a relatively short track :pomppomp:
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Probably in the wet or damp, and who drives regularly on the Tg track anyway, real world the ED30 is quicker from 2nd gear upwards, I know as quite a few R32's have had a shock from my STD Ed30 :booty:
The 19bhp difference is far ouutweighed by the heavy engine and 4wd drive train, 19bhp cant pull the extra 200kg clear of an ED30 :happy2:
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Probably in the wet or damp, and who drives regularly on the Tg track anyway, real world the ED30 is quicker from 2nd gear upwards, I know as quite a few R32's have had a shock from my STD Ed30 :booty:
The 19bhp difference is far ouutweighed by the heavy engine and 4wd drive train, 19bhp cant pull the extra 200kg clear of an ED30 :happy2:
R32 apart from sounding nice... meh
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Wasn't the Top Gear test done with a DSG R32? :smiley:
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don't think tg tested an ed30 did they?
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Don't think so. Maybe the magazine did. :confused:
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ED30 time was 1.32.6
R32 time was 1.30.4
:driver:
so yes... the ed30 on boost in the dry will probably be 'marginally quicker'.... but its not all down to speed and the difference between them in eveyday drivng will most likely come down to driver skill. The R32 is more enjoyable to drive in my book due to low down torque and the noise.
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Times from various tracks are in my post above.
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Times from various tracks are in my post above.
ahh yes I missed that :grin:
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Times from various tracks are in my post above.
Identical 0-100 times hey, any other sources?
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Still looks like a Passat!
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Still looks like a Passat!
the R32?
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Still looks like a Passat!
A heavy barge you mean?
I think the 5 R32 drivers I encountered have all been pants drivers then :happy2:
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can't believe this is still going on, does it matter which is faster? hardly anything in it anyway. the r32 is better at wafting about, the gti is more fun, depends what you want, i personally prefer the 32, doesn't make it better.
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Still looks like a Passat!
the R32?
Yep, we were talking about this at the Coombe Lodge meet yesterday, as one approaches in the opposite direction, it could be a Passat, Eos or a Jetta! It's only when it's really close you realise it's an R32!
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can't believe this is still going on, does it matter which is faster? hardly anything in it anyway. the r32 is better at wafting about, the gti is more fun, depends what you want, i personally prefer the 32, doesn't make it better.
Calm down, it's all good forum chat and banter. We're not trying to establish which is best, that's impossible as they are equally great cars. People are just coming up with pros and cons for each which I believe was the point in the thread to help the OP choose as he liked both.
As for lap times I can't see anywhere where the ED30 was taken round the top gear tear track.
The standard GTi has a time of 1:33.7
The MKIV is showing a time of 1:33.3 which seems a lot compared to the MKV
Even stranger the Leon cupra has a time of 1:33.5 and is slightly more powerful than the ED30
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Ive taken the decision to help end this, and here it is
Im a diesel fan (couldnt live with 30mpg lol)
there is a car dealer in Tavy and they have an R32 and 2x GTIs tomorrow im off work so will don my best clothes and go and test drive BOTH and will tell you all what i think :signLOL: as i dont really want either i feel my opinion will put an end to this :star: (and we all know the 1.9 TDI is the best mk5 ever built :booty:)
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Still looks like a Passat!
the R32?
Yep, we were talking about this at the Coombe Lodge meet yesterday, as one approaches in the opposite direction, it could be a Passat, Eos or a Jetta! It's only when it's really close you realise it's an R32!
close your eyes and you will know its an R32 :P
as for the GTI.... could be a kid with marbels in his tin pencil case :pomppomp:
As said though... there is so little in it! you either prefer one or the other. :happy2:
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Still looks like a Passat!
the R32?
Yep, we were talking about this at the Coombe Lodge meet yesterday, as one approaches in the opposite direction, it could be a Passat, Eos or a Jetta! It's only when it's really close you realise it's an R32!
close your eyes and you will know its an R32 :P
as for the GTI.... could be a kid with marbels in his tin pencil case :pomppomp:
As said though... there is so little in it! you either prefer one or the other. :happy2:
Or keep your eyes open and see the look of dissapointment on the face of the R32 driver as he realises his 3.2 V6 is no quicker than a 2 litre GTi! :wink:
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Or keep your eyes open and see the look of dissapointment on the face of the R32 driver as he realises his 3.2 V6 is no quicker than a 2 litre GTi! :wink:
If your point is that the ed30 is quicker than a R32 then you may need to find some facts to back that up. Here are mine (in addition to the fact that I have owned both)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/vw_golf_mk_v_r32-vs-vw_golf_mk_v_gti_edition_30.html
The poor simple GTi has NO chance against the R32 :party:
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I think your wrong and I've owned both.
Those figures look sh*te anyway as how can the car with the greater power to weight be slower. :stupid:
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I think your wrong and I've owned both.
Those figures look sh*te anyway as how can the car with the greater power to weight be slower. :stupid:
Ok.... everyone is wrong but you :booty:
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Its the other way round bud, everyone is right but you, I stand by the fact that real world R32 struggles to keep up with std ED30, strip 150kg from the R32 and it will stand a chance :booty:
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Some people let the 6pot go to their heads.... anyway, the GTI is more stealth anyway especially when you put a TDI badge on it. There were some lads at a crossing yesterday, i had the windows down. One of them said, "look its a GTI" and as i drove passed i heard another lad say "nahh its a diesel" :signLOL:
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I think your wrong and I've owned both.
Those figures look sh*te anyway as how can the car with the greater power to weight be slower. :stupid:
Ok.... everyone is wrong but you :booty:
Oh no I'm as wrong as the next man. :evilgrin:
Ask me which would I own and it would always be the R32 if I had the means to run it.
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The GTI sounds like a clattery diesel at low revs, so I can understand that bystander's confusion.
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The GTI sounds like a diesel at l
Haters gonna hate.
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The GTI sounds like a diesel at l
Haters gonna hate.
Yup they do and that "Clattery Diseasal" sound leaves your creamy V6 (if you can call it a V6 lol) behind :booty:
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Loving the banter lads.
I had a MKIV R32 and loved it, it felt really special.
I was concerned the Gti wouldn't have that same feel to it but it does.
I actually like the GTi more, can't see myself going back to a non turbo car now.
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The sound of WIN!
:pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
Only to be trumped by a Corvette minutes later. :sad1:
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:happy2:
The sound of WIN!
:pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
Only to be trumped by a Corvette minutes later. :sad1:
Oh that noise I miss Mr Hedge, shame she had to go.........
backwards when i would go past :signLOL:
As you used to say, no replacement, for displacement :happy2:
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Steve, I'd like to remind you of a post you made after our birthday party last year. It can still be viewed in the meet thread...
edit: found it myself
@simonp....doesn't your R go well :surprised:
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Oh that noise I miss Mr Hedge, shame she had to go.........
backwards when i would go past :signLOL:
As you used to say, no replacement, for displacement :happy2:
Or decent brakes. :popcornsoda:
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Its the other way round bud, everyone is right but you, I stand by the fact that real world R32 struggles to keep up with std ED30, strip 150kg from the R32 and it will stand a chance :booty:
ok looks like we will have to agree to disagree on that one.... :happy2:
that said the difference is so minimal, as some of those track times show. personally I would have the R if it were not down to running cost. for what its worth I have a ED30 but still do not think its as quick as the R32 :driver:
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Steve, I'd like to remind you of a post you made after our birthday party last year. It can still be viewed in the meet thread...
edit: found it myself
@simonp....doesn't your R go well :surprised:
I had a split diverted valve in defense unbeknown to me :laugh: and that's a true story as mr vRStu gave me a second hand one to save me spending £50 on a new one... So to answer yes, it did, against a non boosting Ed30 :laugh:
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I think those track times show that we have a bunch of drag racers on here who only like to show off their car's performance in a straight line... :rolleye:
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I think those track times show that we have a bunch of drag racers on here who only like to show off their car's performance in a straight line... :rolleye:
:grin:
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But the same goes for not everything off the line matters.... From 30 up is my personal favourite.
Also I don't need bigger brakes to take corners quicker, it's called bigger Testicles and fewer brain cells in my book :signLOL:
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I think your wrong and I've owned both.
Those figures look sh*te anyway as how can the car with the greater power to weight be slower. :stupid:
Ok.... everyone is wrong but you :booty:
Oh no I'm as wrong as the next man. :evilgrin:
Ask me which would I own and it would always be the R32 if I had the means to run it.
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As I've said before, the R32 just felt more special that any other MK5 I have owned/driven regardless of power. It's like the proverbial off the mark, but lacks torque at motorway speeds. But for cruising and making a lovely sound, I don't think it can be beaten!! :happy2:
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I think your wrong and I've owned both.
Those figures look sh*te anyway as how can the car with the greater power to weight be slower. :stupid:
Ok.... everyone is wrong but you :booty:
Oh no I'm as wrong as the next man. :evilgrin:
Ask me which would I own and it would always be the R32 if I had the means to run it.
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As I've said before, the R32 just felt more special that any other MK5 I have owned/driven regardless of power. It's like the proverbial off the mark, but lacks torque at motorway speeds. But for cruising and making a lovely sound, I don't think it can be beaten!! :happy2:
Pretty much nailed it there Greeners :happy2:
... if they suddenly realised oil was now a renewable energy the price of R32's would go through the roof!! :grin:
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I think your wrong and I've owned both.
Those figures look sh*te anyway as how can the car with the greater power to weight be slower. :stupid:
Ok.... everyone is wrong but you :booty:
Oh no I'm as wrong as the next man. :evilgrin:
Ask me which would I own and it would always be the R32 if I had the means to run it.
+ 1
As I've said before, the R32 just felt more special that any other MK5 I have owned/driven regardless of power. It's like the proverbial off the mark, but lacks torque at motorway speeds. But for cruising and making a lovely sound, I don't think it can be beaten!! :happy2:
Pretty much nailed it there Greeners :happy2:
... if they suddenly realised oil was now a renewable energy the price of R32's would go through the roof!! :grin:
Possibly, but its not is it and ED30 owners dont have to spend £5K to get 300+bhp, a mere £400-600 does that :evilgrin:
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Steve, I'd like to remind you of a post you made after our birthday party last year. It can still be viewed in the meet thread...
edit: found it myself
@simonp....doesn't your R go well :surprised:
I had a split diverted valve in defense unbeknown to me :laugh: and that's a true story as mr vRStu gave me a second hand one to save me spending £50 on a new one... So to answer yes, it did, against a non boosting Ed30 :laugh:
Re he he he he heally? How is that your (stage 2?) car still went past mine then if it was borked?
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when I got stage 2, it always felt the same in performance terms from being used to stage 1.After finding a 10mm size split in the diagram,on stage 2, you no longer get the feeling of boost tailing off mid to high rpms.Now along with the Twintake, is a completely different animal,and feels silly quick.. :happy2:
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Possibly, but its not is it and ED30 owners dont have to spend £5K to get 300+bhp, a mere £400-600 does that :evilgrin:
But if it was????
if we are trying to establish which is better, then lets face it.... its the R32. :P
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I test drove both ED30 and R32 back to back when I changed my car last.
I loved the sound track of the R32 and the rear end is much nicer in my opinion than the ED30.
However, the ED30 felt more special with the excellent seats and neat touches as well as feeling quicker and more nimble and I much prefer the front end of the GTi/ED30.
The fuel consumption was a factor as I do a lot of miles which the ED30 copes with extremely well, however even if fuel wasn't an issue I would still go for the ED30 as it just hits all the right buttons for me :happy2:
I personally don't care which is marginally faster, both great cars, although I would happily take the R32 in the snow as the ED30 and DSG was awful :driver:
Overall you can't go wrong with GTi/R32 or ED30 IMO, all great cars and we should all be happy to have the pleasure of owning quite possibly the best car pound for pound :smiley:
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Overall you can't go wrong with GTi/R32 or ED30 IMO, all great cars and we should all be happy to have the pleasure of owning quite possibly the best car pound for pound :smiley:
Amen mister! :drinking:
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I think your wrong and I've owned both.
Those figures look sh*te anyway as how can the car with the greater power to weight be slower. :stupid:
Ok.... everyone is wrong but you :booty:
Oh no I'm as wrong as the next man. :evilgrin:
Ask me which would I own and it would always be the R32 if I had the means to run it.
+ 1
As I've said before, the R32 just felt more special that any other MK5 I have owned/driven regardless of power. It's like the proverbial off the mark, but lacks torque at motorway speeds. But for cruising and making a lovely sound, I don't think it can be beaten!! :happy2:
Pretty much nailed it there Greeners :happy2:
... if they suddenly realised oil was now a renewable energy the price of R32's would go through the roof!! :grin:
Possibly, but its not is it and ED30 owners dont have to spend £5K to get 300+bhp, a mere £400-600 does that :evilgrin:
Of course I forgot, if you buy a MK5 you HAVE to modify it so it makes at least 300+ BHP!! :stupid:
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To be honest Nath with EVOMS and Cat-back Milltek mine would slay Veyrons anyway. Who cares about the numbers? :laugh:
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To be honest Nath with EVOMS and Cat-back Milltek mine would slay Veyrons anyway. Who cares about the numbers? :laugh:
Veyrons are chump change though chap, it's those bloody Megane RS's you have to watch out for! :grin:
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Who cares about the numbers?
GTI owners...
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To be honest Nath with EVOMS and Cat-back Milltek mine would slay Veyrons anyway. Who cares about the numbers? :laugh:
Veyrons are chump change though chap, it's those bloody Megane RS's you have to watch out for! :grin:
Good point. Silly me. :laugh:
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Who cares about the numbers?
GTI owners...
Says Mr 6 cylinders and 250PS..... :popcornsoda:
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He knows his stuff, this one! :notworthy:
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its all fun and games.. we all have all own opinions/facts to back up our side. At the end of the day... everyone is wrong but me :signLOL:
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In your opinion and we all know about opinions...... :signLOL:
Loved my .:R. Nuff said.
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It will all come down to how much you want to spend and how much you want to spend on fuel and maintanence.
GTI - be cheaper to get hold of seen as they are made from a 54 plate (I think) and they are a lot more common. Cheaper to run and serive, tax etc than the R32.
ED30 - probably a little more to buy than the GTI at the same age/mileage but noticeable differences in looks and performance. Similar running costs to the GTI.
R32 - probably find one cheaper than the ED30 seen as they were released before but higher running costs and tax band etc. Sound awesome and have the benefit of AWD if you like that sort of thing.
All 3 are fantastic cars at the end of the day so its all down to personal choice. I have driven them all and Id still take the ED30.
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Of course I forgot, if you buy a MK5 you HAVE to modify it so it makes at least 300+ BHP!! :stupid:
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Well I am glad I reminded you then :happy2: :happy2: