MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Performance Modifications => Modifications & Technical Area => APR Zone => Topic started by: Keith@APR on March 22, 2012, 06:15:49 pm
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APR Announces Awesome is Back as an Official APR Premier Dealer and Your Source for All APR and VWR Products
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APR is pleased to announce the return of Awesome to the APR dealer network after a brief hiatus exploring other opportunities. Awesome has been a premier APR dealer in the past and for quite a long run of 10 years. In 2011 Awesome decided to part ways with APR but since the opening of APR’s wholly owned R&D and Distribution Center in Milton Keynes, Awesome has returned to the APR family.
Together, Awesome and APR bring unmatched expertise and capabilities to the VAG aftermarket performance community. Enthusiasts can once again enjoy the best products and the best service and fitting found in the UK for all VAG vehicles. From Stage I remaps all the way to Stage III turbo or supercharger systems, Awesome can provide a path of progression for their clients that maintains APR’s world-renowned drivability, reliability and performance at Awesome’s facility in Manchester and on the World Wide Web at www.awesome-gti.co.uk.
In addition to the APR product line, Awesome will also be the first new retailer for the Volkswagen Racing product line in the UK. VWR braking, suspension, intake and chassis components are developed and tested in the APR VW Racing Cup insuring application specific products developed through brutal motorsport testing to deliver bespoke VAG group applications to help keep your car on the road and under control. Awesome is fully certified and trained to fit and recommend all VWR products to their clients.
APR President and CEO, Stephen Hooks, commented, “Its great to have Awesome back in our network and I look forward to picking up right where we left off. Over the years I’ve worked closely with the Directors of Awesome and am very excited to be working with them again. For me it’s like a homecoming and reuniting with trusted business partners and friends.”
Jim Cotton, Managing Director at Awesome relayed, “Over the years Awesome has achieved a level of success that even I never thought was possible and APR was a large part of that. To return to my old family and friends at APR and in the APR dealer network is very special for me. I am, of course, delighted that we are able to offer the APR product line to our clients again as APR brings the ultimate in VAG performance which can’t be found anywhere else.”
Keep an eye out for special offers on APR products at www.awesome-gti.co.uk as the APR product line is added to Awesome’s site. Expect new project cars, UK specific R&D and timely order fulfillment as well. APR is dedicated to supporting the UK market in a fashion that no one else can and having the best retailer network in the industry is one of the first steps in APR’s new approach.
For more information about APR’s new initiatives for the UK market, please visit www.goapr.co.uk and www.goapr.com.
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TFSI_Mike will be very very happy at that news.
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Very pleased at this news :grin:
Much closer than travelling to Milton Keynes
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haha! last thing i thought id be reading! :
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Hmmm
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Maybe they sorted out their 'internal politics' issues.
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does that mean awesome run Revo and apr maps
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Doesn't look like it on their banner
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Maybe they sorted out their 'internal politics' issues.
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Doesn't look like it on their banner
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Interesting--I know Kieth from apr is going to this--would of loved my car to be mapped on this sat,but thet will be to busy :sad1:
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another amnesty?!? :confused:
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another amnesty?!? :confused:
I was denied the last amnesty due to missing it while serving overseas, despite previous custom
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another amnesty?!? :confused:
I was denied the last amnesty due to missing it whole serving overseas, despite previous custom
They seem to quote REVO maps above APR anyway sooooo (RR graphs on website)....... :stupid:
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I think on Awesome's dyno it all depends on which way the wind is blowing. :wink:
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another amnesty?!? :confused:
I was denied the last amnesty due to missing it whole while serving overseas, despite previous custom
They seem to quote REVO maps above APR anyway sooooo (RR graphs on website)....... :stupid:
Edit *typo
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another amnesty?!? :confused:
Bloody hell, wish you guys would make your mind up, all I ask as a customer of over 10 years and thousands spent is honest advice. One minute APR is the dogs bollocks, then REVO. Now im guessing APR are the best again. If your going to change your mind so often, maybe APR and Awesome should explain their reasons for the change from APR to REVO now back to APR again :mad:
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another amnesty?!? :confused:
Bloody hell, wish you guys would make your mind up, all I ask as a customer of over 10 years and thousands spent is honest advice. One minute APR is the dogs bollocks, then REVO. Now im guess APR are the best again. If your going to change your mind so often, maybe APR and Awesome should explain their reasons for the change from APR to REVO now back to APR again :mad:
In the same boat & have to agree
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Wonder if awesome are going to change all the customers back to apr
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More politics?
http://www.psituning.com/page.php?xPage=statement.html (http://www.psituning.com/page.php?xPage=statement.html)
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Politics is hard to grasp for the common people :grin: :fighting:
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Wonder how many people are in hiding now, all the ones shouting boo APR yay Revo, are they gonna shout Yay Apr again
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Wonder if they are going to do any deals now they are back, only thing stopping me going APR or Revo is the high price, similar things available from other tuners for £250 less.
Plus Awesome is on my route when I go back home to see Family/friends, was a customer of theirs for 3 of my MK2 GTIS (and sadly my MK3)
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More politics?
http://www.psituning.com/page.php?xPage=statement.html (http://www.psituning.com/page.php?xPage=statement.html)
Now awesome are back they drop out?, dont understand or is it not related?
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Wonder if they are going to do any deals now they are back, only thing stopping me going APR or Revo is the high price, similar things available from other tuners for £250 less.
I don't think so.
Map switching on the cruise stalk. Don't see that available from any other tuners. Even the SPS from Revo is way better than anything anyone else has to offer as it's instantaneous not wait 15 minutes to swap maps.
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I think it's sad that PSI feel as though they need to pull out having stood by APR through the wilderness years. They may be offering the same product but sometimes it's how it's delivered that makes the difference.
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another amnesty?!? :confused:
Bloody hell, wish you guys would make your mind up, all I ask as a customer of over 10 years and thousands spent is honest advice. One minute APR is the dogs bollocks, then REVO. Now im guessing APR are the best again. If your going to change your mind so often, maybe APR and Awesome should explain their reasons for the change from APR to REVO now back to APR again :mad:
There will be more information coming about shortly. There is a lot going on in the industry over the next few weeks.
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Wonder if they are going to do any deals now they are back, only thing stopping me going APR or Revo is the high price, similar things available from other tuners for £250 less.
I don't think so.
Map switching on the cruise stalk. Don't see that available from any other tuners. Even the SPS from Revo is way better than anything anyone else has to offer as it's instantaneous not wait 15 minutes to swap maps.
I dont need switching chap, just a simple stage 2 map for my car, if APR do an offer (like they have done before) I will go for it, otherwise Jabba or anothe tuner gets my money for the same software without the gimmicks.
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Plus I believe another tuner offers an SPS type device on their maps effecgtively doing the same for less ££
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It would be much less painful for everyone if Keith ( APR ) and Kev ( Revo ) have a bare knuckle fight at GTI international and the winner gets to have the Uk. :indifferent:
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I dont need switching chap, just a simple stage 2 map for my car, if APR do an offer (like they have done before) I will go for it, otherwise Jabba or anothe tuner gets my money for the same software without the gimmicks.
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Plus I believe another tuner offers an SPS type device on their maps effecgtively doing the same for less ££
Well go and buy your cheaper map then, with switching chap. :indifferent:
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I dont need switching chap, just a simple stage 2 map for my car, if APR do an offer (like they have done before) I will go for it, otherwise Jabba or anothe tuner gets my money for the same software without the gimmicks.
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Plus I believe another tuner offers an SPS type device on their maps effecgtively doing the same for less ££
Well go and buy your cheaper map then, with switching chap. :indifferent:
as per my previous post chap " if APR do an offer (like they have done before) I will go for it, otherwise Jabba or another tuner gets my money for the same software without the gimmicks" I probably will do but without the gimmicks :booty:
I have nothing against either Revo or APR except for the higher prices for essentially the same software :happy2:
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It would be much less painful for everyone if Keith ( APR ) and Kev ( Revo ) have a bare knuckle fight at GTI international and the winner gets to have the Uk. :indifferent:
I would pay to watch that :signLOL:
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It would be much less painful for everyone if Keith ( APR ) and Kev ( Revo ) have a bare knuckle fight at GTI international and the winner gets to have the Uk. :indifferent:
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It would be much less painful for everyone if Keith ( APR ) and Kev ( Revo ) have a bare knuckle fight at GTI international and the winner gets to have the Uk. :indifferent:
Why do I have to fight Kev? I heard he is one of if the best guys there.
Wouldn't Yates or the like be more fun?
Tuner Death Match :grin:
FWIW, I'm not doing what I do to directly upset or attack Revo. Its their biggest and home market though so I can understand why it seems that way.
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The UK is your home market now Keith :party:
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The UK is your home market now Keith :party:
Personally I am glad APR are back, hope it balances the market out a little more as it was getting very much REVO HQ.
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another amnesty?!? :confused:
Bloody hell, wish you guys would make your mind up, all I ask as a customer of over 10 years and thousands spent is honest advice. One minute APR is the dogs bollocks, then REVO. Now im guessing APR are the best again. If your going to change your mind so often, maybe APR and Awesome should explain their reasons for the change from APR to REVO now back to APR again :mad:
At a rough guess
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At a rough guess
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Nail on dead centre of the Head right there :notworthy:
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The UK is your home market now Keith :party:
Cheers!
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Here is Awesomes press release
Customers,
The directors of Awesome (Jim Cotton and Mark Ash) are pleased to announce the re kindled partnership with APR LLC. After a period away from the American VAG tuning specialists due to support and technical issues, we are excited to be back on board. We have spent the last 12 months partnering Revo Technik, whos products and service have been fantastic. It is with great regret that we have to part ways with Revo, but this was inevitable as it has obvious conflicts for both manufacturers.
The reasons Awesome had for leaving APR have now been resolved, with the introduction of a UK based, APR owned, technical and R&D facility. This will allow APR products to be developed and evaluated very quickly for the specific needs of the UK market place. It also means that we are able to contact APR personnel without timeline restraints. This can be a huge factor when dealing with sensitive areas such as software programming.
Another big factor in the return to APR, is the collaboration of APR with Volkswagen Racing Limited. This exciting partnership brings on board a host of cutting edge products from the VWR stable, these include ITG filtration, VWR braking and suspension solutions and the branded range of apparel.
After a recent visit to APR LLC. HQ, in Auburn, both Mark and I were bowled over with the passion and increased dedication to the VAG tuning market. With massive investment in personnel, equipment and various race programs worldwide (including VW cup title sponsorship), not to mention the UK base in Milton Keynes, how could Awesome not want to be back on board?
So as from Thursday 22nd March 2012, Awesome are delighted to offer the full range of software and hardware products produced by APR. A full product and pricing structure is underway at the moment and should be live on our website very soon. www.awesomegti.com.
Any further questions regarding this partnership, please contact either Mark Ash or myself (Jim Cotton). If you have any requirements for APR products, please contact the sales guys at Awesome
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Just remind me never ever ever to use awesome GTI. Quite frankly I think this stinks, it's like playground behaviour of swapping 'bestest friends' every 5 minutes.
They openly admit and prove REVO to make better power than APR.... So now what? Are the admitting that they will be backing an inferior product?
Shame on them.
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Just remind me never ever ever to use awesome GTI. Quite frankly I think this stinks, it's like playground behaviour of swapping 'bestest friends' every 5 minutes.
They openly admit and prove REVO to make better power than APR.... So now what? Are the admitting that they will be backing an inferior product?
Shame on them.
I second that :stupid:
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The player who stinks in this fiasco is, in my opinion, Awesome.
Business is a hard ball game and neither APR nor Revo can be blamed for doing all they can to further their business. As to who's product is 'better' is a difficult question to answer. I very much like both my Revo products and their aftersales service but that doesn't mean that APR don't offer a good product - I've never tried it. Doubtless the two maps have differing characteristics and individual drivers have different preferences for how their ride drives.
Why couldn't Awesome offer both APR and Revo? That way they would be truly offering customers objective choice.
If APR have been typically aggressive Americans and twisted Awesome's arm, then I lose respect for APR as well. The whole affair is childish and not in customer's interests. I would continue to buy hardware products from Awesome (I think but it is now in question) but never software tuning - I would have absolutely no trust in any future aftersales support.
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The player who stinks in this fiasco is, in my opinion, Awesome.
Business is a hard ball game and neither APR nor Revo can be blamed for doing all they can to further their business. As to who's product is 'better' is a difficult question to answer. I very much like both my Revo products and their aftersales service but that doesn't mean that APR don't offer a good product - I've never tried it. Doubtless the two maps have differing characteristics and individual drivers have different preferences for how their ride drives.
Why couldn't Awesome offer both APR and Revo? That way they would be truly offering customers objective choice.
If APR have been typically aggressive Americans and twisted Awesome's arm, then I lose respect for APR as well. The whole affair is childish and not in customer's interests. I would continue to buy hardware products from Awesome (I think but it is now in question) but never software tuning - I would have absolutely no trust in any future aftersales support.
Awesome cant offer both APR and Revo, how are they going to remain neutral when a customer asks which is best?, bottom line to get back in bed with APR means that APR offered Awesome some very good rates on their products, customer asks which is best?, you make more on APR=your gonna say APR!!!.
THis swapping back n forth is essentially very good business for Awesome as they have a long list of customers and no doubt they will be doing some good deals to get said customers to come back to (or try) APR :wink:, who loses out?, the Awesome customer with Revo as he will no longer be supported, will he be pointed in direction of APR...very likely :stupid:
When you see all this going on it makes the smaller (but steadily gaining popularity) tuners look much more attractive :happy2:
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Why couldn't Awesome offer both APR and Revo? That way they would be truly offering customers objective choice.
I was thinking this last night why places like awesome don't offer software from more than one company. I can understand selling only one company's software could bring some perks from that said company but surely offering software from various companies would bring a bigger customer base rather than alienating/loosing customers everytime they switch companies as they can no longer provide the after sales care for them
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Why couldn't Awesome offer both APR and Revo? That way they would be truly offering customers objective choice.
I was thinking this last night why places like awesome don't offer software from more than one company. I can understand selling only one company's software could bring some perks from that said company but surely offering software from various companies would bring a bigger customer base rather than alienating/loosing customers everytime they switch companies as they can no longer provide the after sales care for them
I think its about thinking about it, your a company who make X selling 1 product or XX for selling another which are you gonna sell?, lets be honest if both products cost the same to customer and do very similar things your likely to recommend which is best for the companies pocket!
Its a conflict of interest too, new company= lots of customers to chip away at to get over to APR meaning more money in Awesome and APR pockets :stupid: :stupid:
I very much doubt that they will be passing these savings (on new contract rates) over to customers :fighting:
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Of course Awesome can offer both APR AND Revo! Other highly reputable companies do so and they recognise that it's not black & white as to which remap is 'the best' - They care about their customers. 'The best' is the best one to suit both the driver and the car.... "Simples!" [said in best Meerkat voice]
No, I'm actually disgusted with Awesome's behaviour on this and I'm no longer too impressed with APR's behaviour unless they can deny what possibly looks like bribery at worse and overly aggressive behaviour towards their rivals at best.
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Of course Awesome can offer both APR AND Revo! Other highly reputable companies do so and they recognise that it's not black & white as to which remap is 'the best' - They care about their customers. 'The best' is the best one to suit both the driver and the car.... "Simples!" [said in best Meerkat voice]
No, I'm actually disgusted with Awesome's behaviour on this and I'm no longer too impressed with APR's behaviour unless they can deny what possibly looks like bribery at worse and overly aggressive behaviour towards their rivals at best.
Lets be honest here when Awesome dropped APR you think that was their doin or more due to the fact that Revo marketed them heavily/aggresively and promised the earth?
It does stink and if all was fair in the tuners market large tuning companies would offer several companies maps and the "Big 2" would not price their products WAAAyyy above what smaller companies offer would they, but they dont.......Make a name and get people to pay for it..............
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I went to Awesome yesterday to have a chat with Mark about what was going on, it lasted the best part of an hour and said that he will do the same with anyone who wants to have a chat, even if it take him 6 months.
One thing he did say is that REVO is a fantastic product and would never say a bad word about them.
This is MY interpretation of the chat with Mark in key points.
APR's willingness to listen to issues (UK specific) and be able to deal with it in MK.
The shear size of what APR has grown to.
The hardware. ie if you want a itg filter you will have to get it through APR/VWR (less stock already held by other tuners) plus other VWR branded products
Basically Mark/Jim feels that its in their customers and their own interests to get 'back in bed with APR'
As for the 'why cant you sell both APR and REVO side by side' well, in my view only and how I interpreted it, is, that part of the deal with APR is that PSI tuning and JBSautodesigns (close to Awesome) would not be able to sell APR produces and software anymore if Awesome dropped REVO. I might have that totally wrong but thats how I saw it.
Right or wrong thats business I guess
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I went to Awesome yesterday to have a chat with Mark about what was going on, it lasted the best part of an hour and said that he will do the same with anyone who wants to have a chat, even if it take him 6 months.
One thing he did say is that REVO is a fantastic product and would never say a bad word about them.
This is MY interpretation of the chat with Mark in key points.
APR's willingness to listen to issues (UK specific) and be able to deal with it in MK.
The shear size of what APR has grown to.
The hardware. ie if you want a itg filter you will have to get it through APR/VWR (less stock already held by other tuners) plus other VWR branded products
Basically Mark/Jim feels that its in their customers and their own interests to get 'back in bed with APR'
As for the 'why cant you sell both APR and REVO side by side' well, in my view only and how I interpreted it, is, that part of the deal with APR is that PSI tuning and JBSautodesigns (close to Awesome) would not be able to sell APR produces and software anymore if Awesome dropped REVO. I might have that totally wrong but thats how I saw it.
Right or wrong thats business I guess
I thought you could buy ITG from most places, you mean the VWR products? (re-branded millteka nd ITG)
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I went to Awesome yesterday to have a chat with Mark about what was going on, it lasted the best part of an hour and said that he will do the same with anyone who wants to have a chat, even if it take him 6 months.
One thing he did say is that REVO is a fantastic product and would never say a bad word about them.
This is MY interpretation of the chat with Mark in key points.
APR's willingness to listen to issues (UK specific) and be able to deal with it in MK.
The shear size of what APR has grown to.
The hardware. ie if you want a itg filter you will have to get it through APR/VWR (less stock already held by other tuners) plus other VWR branded products
Basically Mark/Jim feels that its in their customers and their own interests to get 'back in bed with APR'
As for the 'why cant you sell both APR and REVO side by side' well, in my view only and how I interpreted it, is, that part of the deal with APR is that PSI tuning and JBSautodesigns (close to Awesome) would not be able to sell APR produces and software anymore if Awesome dropped REVO. I might have that totally wrong but thats how I saw it.
Right or wrong thats business I guess
I thought you could buy ITG from most places, you mean the VWR products? (re-branded millteka nd ITG)
I believe that APR/VWR have done a deal with itg that means that you can only buy VAG itg filters through APR/VWR and their dealer network
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I went to Awesome yesterday to have a chat with Mark about what was going on, it lasted the best part of an hour and said that he will do the same with anyone who wants to have a chat, even if it take him 6 months.
One thing he did say is that REVO is a fantastic product and would never say a bad word about them.
This is MY interpretation of the chat with Mark in key points.
APR's willingness to listen to issues (UK specific) and be able to deal with it in MK.
The shear size of what APR has grown to.
The hardware. ie if you want a itg filter you will have to get it through APR/VWR (less stock already held by other tuners) plus other VWR branded products
Basically Mark/Jim feels that its in their customers and their own interests to get 'back in bed with APR'
As for the 'why cant you sell both APR and REVO side by side' well, in my view only and how I interpreted it, is, that part of the deal with APR is that PSI tuning and JBSautodesigns (close to Awesome) would not be able to sell APR produces and software anymore if Awesome dropped REVO. I might have that totally wrong but thats how I saw it.
Right or wrong thats business I guess
I thought you could buy ITG from most places, you mean the VWR products? (re-branded millteka nd ITG)
I believe that APR/VWR have done a deal with itg that means that you can only buy VAG itg filters through APR/VWR and their dealer network
All they need to do now then is tie up a deal with Forge and they have the market cornered :mad:
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I believe that APR/VWR have done a deal with itg that means that you can only buy VAG itg filters through APR/VWR and their dealer network
....Really? I thought that ITG were more 'in bed with' Revo but even that has never meant exclusive retailing.
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So that figures then. APR, in bed with ITG and Volkswagen racing... Awesome can't be 'left out' of the fold.
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Does this mean all ITG products will become overpriced VWR rebranded items?
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Does this mean all ITG products will become overpriced VWR rebranded items?
Quite possibly... They already do it so I cant see that changing.
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So that figures then. APR, in bed with ITG and Volkswagen racing... Awesome can't be 'left out' of the fold.
....I haven't spoken with VWR for some time so I don't know the facts but I do know that APR are now involved in the VW Cup Series which of course VWR are primarily involved in. Also that they have adjacent premises in MK so there is bound to be some degree of working relationship.
I don't think that VWR have done themselves any favours by 'rebranding' other manufacturers products unless, as it is in some cases, they have played a part in the development.
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So that figures then. APR, in bed with ITG and Volkswagen racing... Awesome can't be 'left out' of the fold.
....I haven't spoken with VWR for some time so I don't know the facts but I do know that APR are now involved in the VW Cup Series which of course VWR are primarily involved in. Also that they have adjacent premises in MK so there is bound to be some degree of working relationship.
I don't think that VWR have done themselves any favours by 'rebranding' other manufacturers products unless, as it is in some cases, they have played a part in the development.
Yup thats right, your pretty much just paying for the name (Never heard of them before this forum tho) as exhausts are re-branded Millteks, Intakes are modeed ITG's, wonder whose brakes they re-brand?
Love how these "Racing Development" companies buy other companies products, race them and then re-brand and sell them at big mark ups on the back of success?, eh hows that work then?.
Maybe its time someone bought a Twintake, raced it, give it a new name and sticker and hike up the price 50% and make a killing :signLOL:
All we need now is Revo to either drop their re-map prices by £200 and say "Stuff it up your hoop" to Awesome/APR and start a price war or to start their own aggressive marketing, that would benefit us guys at least!, on the other side of the scale they might just pull out like APR did a while back and come back all guns blazing in 12 months at which point Awesome will jump ship again and we start the merry go round again :signLOL:
All we need now is for another couple of intake systems to hit the (UK) market to expand things a little, seen 2 intake systems I like the look of, one is based in USA and called Volant (nice looking system) but only for K03 GTI (Shame) and another that I saw on the BCS demo car (not for sale according to Dave/Nige) which is a shame as it looked good to me and not too noisy, I would buy one anyway :happy2:
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Yup thats right, your pretty much just paying for the name (Never heard of them before this forum tho) as exhausts are re-branded Millteks, Intakes are modeed ITG's, wonder whose brakes they re-brand?
Love how these "Racing Development" companies buy other companies products, race them and then re-brand them and sell them at big mark ups on the back of success?, eh hows that work then?.
Maybe its time someone bought a Twintake, raced it, give it a new name and sticker and hike up the price 50% and make a killing :signLOL:
....As I know both Milltek and VWR very well indeed I can correct you insofar as Milltek were/are an official sponsor for the VW Cup and manufactured and supplied exhausts specifically for the race cars and also road versions. These versions are/were different from those bought through all other dealerships.
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Vibratechnics lower mount rebranded VWR?
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Vibratechnics lower mount rebranded VWR?
....If you're asking me I don't know the true story behind this. But VWR have certainly rebranded quite a few products and in my opinion, some are justified (Milltek for example) and some are not.
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Vibratechnics lower mount rebranded VWR?
Yes VWR resell Vibratechnics. JKM were told to stop selling Vibratechnics or Vibratechnics were told to stop supplying them. :sick:
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Yes VWR resell Vibratechnics. JKM were told to stop selling Vibratechnics or Vibratechnics were told to stop supplying them. :sick:
....Much as I am a very satisfied customer of VWR (and also of JKM!) I don't approve of such dealing arrangements.
I certainly approve of any manufacturer ensuring that all of their retailers are approved and appointed to meet their standards as resellers, and therefore uphold their reputation, but not unjustifiably creating very narrow exclusive marketplaces.
So, is the whole tuning and garage industry as bad as estate agents etc? - Judging by this thread it would seem so.
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Agree that Revo could swing things around by lowering their prices. They've been priced quite highly for several years and especially since APR are back in, there needs to be some competition between them.
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I'm sure that all of the major player tuners would justify their higher pricing with reasons of higher (and better?) development costs in spite of many of us being willing guinea-pigs.
There is apparently a history of not-so-friendly claims between APR and Revo.
But what about Awesome? - Sorry but I've totally lost respect and I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
"APR Presents the Return of Awesome"? - Smacks of PR bullsh*t!
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As with most things there is always going to be more to it than first appears. This isn't going to be the only news story coming out over the next few days/weeks that impacts the VAG tuning market.
Some of the changes are going to be for the good of the marketplace and some less so (ITG products for anything VAG only being sold through APR / VWR being one of the latter).
It will certainly be an interesting year :popcornsoda:
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How many people are looking at meganes? :grin:
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As with most things there is always going to be more to it than first appears.
....Absolutely! :happy2:
Unfortunately it's so easy for any of us to form our opinions on what turns out to be limited knowledge. But what else can we do? It does make interesting forum discussion though and at least tells the tuners how their potential customers feel (if they care enough to take notice).
I have to say that as I thought that ITG enjoyed a very good reputation independently I don't understand why they would agree to any exclusive retailing deal. But if they have, they have done so for their own reasons - Time will tell if it was wise or not and other manufacturers may benefit from their action.
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bluefin remap FTW.. Cheap and nasty map, give no extra thrills on one hand, but it actually works on the other :P
:popcornsoda:
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How many people are looking at meganes? :grin:
....Makes me very glad I've finished all my modding.................
At least I think I have!!
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bluefin remap FTW.. Cheap and nasty map, give no extra thrills on one hand, but it actually works on the other :P
:popcornsoda:
....And take a caring tuner like JKM who offer Bluefin, APR, and Revo. Now that's the way a company should behave in my opinion - I hope it stays that way!
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Sadly Revo nicked Superchips mapper. :happy2:
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I went to Awesome yesterday to have a chat with Mark about what was going on, it lasted the best part of an hour and said that he will do the same with anyone who wants to have a chat, even if it take him 6 months.
One thing he did say is that REVO is a fantastic product and would never say a bad word about them.
This is MY interpretation of the chat with Mark in key points.
APR's willingness to listen to issues (UK specific) and be able to deal with it in MK.
The shear size of what APR has grown to.
The hardware. ie if you want a itg filter you will have to get it through APR/VWR (less stock already held by other tuners) plus other VWR branded products
Basically Mark/Jim feels that its in their customers and their own interests to get 'back in bed with APR'
As for the 'why cant you sell both APR and REVO side by side' well, in my view only and how I interpreted it, is, that part of the deal with APR is that PSI tuning and JBSautodesigns (close to Awesome) would not be able to sell APR produces and software anymore if Awesome dropped REVO. I might have that totally wrong but thats how I saw it.
Right or wrong thats business I guess
I thought you could buy ITG from most places, you mean the VWR products? (re-branded millteka nd ITG)
I believe that APR/VWR have done a deal with itg that means that you can only buy VAG itg filters through APR/VWR and their dealer network
All they need to do now then is tie up a deal with Forge and they have the market cornered :mad:
Well we all know there is no love lost between APR and forge, but ....... :wink: :popcornsoda:
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Sadly Revo nicked Superchips mapper. :happy2:
and Revo started from ex APR mappers lol
You would think they should be one big happy family :laugh:
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One thing I don't believe is the old revo outperformed APR on awesomes rollers during the amnesty.
That was a big marketing ploy, they could eadily have altered readings to make one map look more favourable. The only thing worth reading were some of the impartial reviews that were done by guys on here.
Plus if ApR were that much slower they wouldn't lead the 1/4 mile board by half a second, and that's bearing in mind that 2nd place is a heavily stripped out ed30 on semi slicks driven by a racing driver, and the 2nd and 3rd are 4Wd S3s one of which has a big turbo.
Its purely marketing
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and you're purely impartial? :innocent:
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All I can say is I was in the back of my car when mine went from APR to REVO (ko3 stage 2+) and after the click of a button on a laptop to upload the REVO file it made more power. No adjustment was made between runs on the RR. Unless it was by the force :grin:
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Although I'm a very happy Revo user, this subject isn't really about which map is 'better' between Revo and APR, nor which is the cheaper. It's more important that we, the consumer, are offered the choices and that a local and hence convenient tuning business can offer us the choices and not confine themselves to just one product.... And then muck folks around by chopping and changing back and forth like Awesome have done.
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Although I'm a very happy Revo user, this subject isn't really about which map is 'better' between Revo and APR, nor which is the cheaper. It's more important that we, the consumer, are offered the choices and that a local and hence convenient tuning business can offer us the choices and not confine themselves to just one product.... And then muck folks around by chopping and changing back and forth like Awesome have done.
Spot on R/R
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Wow can't believe I missed this thread!!!
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Although I'm a very happy Revo user, this subject isn't really about which map is 'better' between Revo and APR, nor which is the cheaper. It's more important that we, the consumer, are offered the choices and that a local and hence convenient tuning business can offer us the choices and not confine themselves to just one product.... And then muck folks around by chopping and changing back and forth like Awesome have done.
Very good point RR and I did mention this when i had my talk with Mark. He did understand that there could be a massive fallout because of what's happened with the switch around, and admits that they (Awesome) will probably lose out on software sales because of their decision. His reasoning was about the outlook of the VAG tuning market (5 years +) and felt they had to make that decision or be left behind. I guess purely because of the hardware and products that APR/VWR will be offering in the coming years plus the exclusive products only available through APR/VWR dealers
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Wow can't believe I missed this thread!!!
Me too Lee. I had heard about the exclusivity deal between VWR and ITG and couldn't help but think ITG have screwed themselves. Let's hope not...
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sounds like its the after market products that apr can bring that made awesome switch back then and not because they are better maps
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I went to Awesome yesterday to have a chat with Mark about what was going on, it lasted the best part of an hour and said that he will do the same with anyone who wants to have a chat, even if it take him 6 months.
One thing he did say is that REVO is a fantastic product and would never say a bad word about them.
This is MY interpretation of the chat with Mark in key points.
APR's willingness to listen to issues (UK specific) and be able to deal with it in MK.
The shear size of what APR has grown to.
The hardware. ie if you want a itg filter you will have to get it through APR/VWR (less stock already held by other tuners) plus other VWR branded products
Basically Mark/Jim feels that its in their customers and their own interests to get 'back in bed with APR'
As for the 'why cant you sell both APR and REVO side by side' well, in my view only and how I interpreted it, is, that part of the deal with APR is that PSI tuning and JBSautodesigns (close to Awesome) would not be able to sell APR produces and software anymore if Awesome dropped REVO. I might have that totally wrong but thats how I saw it.
Right or wrong thats business I guess
So unless I read your interpretation very wrongly, Awsome would only drop REVO if the other 2 companies dropped APR making them (Awsome) the only APR retailer in the area?
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Too political for me.... :surprised:
Good luck to APR and Awesome, It was a very good combination in the past and should again. I am sure Jim would not do a huge U-turn without a lot of thought and putting customers first.
At the end of the day it aint about dyno numbers or fastest 1/4mile car... It about happy customers.
If there are any Revo customers left a little high and dry from this switch back, you can always pop to us for continued support, updates and back up for your Revo maps
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sounds like its the after market products that apr can bring that made awesome switch back then and not because they are better maps
Awesome says "We have spent the last 12 months partnering Revo Technik, whos products and service have been fantastic" I dont think they have a problem with their software. Saying that, I never had a problem with APR software, I just made slightly more power on REVO's k03 stage 2+ file
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I went to Awesome yesterday to have a chat with Mark about what was going on, it lasted the best part of an hour and said that he will do the same with anyone who wants to have a chat, even if it take him 6 months.
One thing he did say is that REVO is a fantastic product and would never say a bad word about them.
This is MY interpretation of the chat with Mark in key points.
APR's willingness to listen to issues (UK specific) and be able to deal with it in MK.
The shear size of what APR has grown to.
The hardware. ie if you want a itg filter you will have to get it through APR/VWR (less stock already held by other tuners) plus other VWR branded products
Basically Mark/Jim feels that its in their customers and their own interests to get 'back in bed with APR'
As for the 'why cant you sell both APR and REVO side by side' well, in my view only and how I interpreted it, is, that part of the deal with APR is that PSI tuning and JBSautodesigns (close to Awesome) would not be able to sell APR produces and software anymore if Awesome dropped REVO. I might have that totally wrong but thats how I saw it.
Right or wrong thats business I guess
So unless I read your interpretation very wrongly, Awsome would only drop REVO if the other 2 companies dropped APR making them (Awsome) the only APR retailer in the area?
Thats how it came across. Like I said earlier, it maybe wrong but ultimately business
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JBS still have APR products on their website. :smiley:
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So how much more is a "VWR" itg intake then?
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Let's not take this to far off topic please :happy2:
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JBS still have APR products on their website. :smiley:
Thats probably because James's head has exploded in disbelief and frustration and not had time to update the website :smiley:
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At the end of the day, awesome are out to make money, google a vw part, and awesome pops up. Whether apr maps are better than revo has yet to be decided. Guess they are getting in quick on the vwr parts while they can before it's too late. Maybe yet another amnesty is on the cards, I'm sure apr would welcome the publicity :popcornsoda:
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At the end of the day, awesome are out to make money, google a vw part, and awesome pops up. Whether apr maps are better than revo has yet to be decided. Guess they are getting in quick on the vwr parts while they can before it's too late. Maybe yet another amnesty is on the cards, I'm sure apr would welcome the publicity :popcornsoda:
Again another subject brought up.
In short, no.
If you where an APR customer before as Keith (APR) says, you have already bought the map and can have it reflashed at maybe a small labour charge FOC.
Saying that, Mark did say he would not leave a customer unhappy. I read that as even if you wasnt an APR customer before, and have been remapped by REVO at Awesome, they would listen to your concerns and act accordingly to them concerns. :smiley:
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So how much more is a "VWR" itg intake then?
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One million dollars
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So how much more is a "VWR" itg intake then?
35-40% seems to the general rule although for all the ITG fans out there I hope not!
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This a bit of a fib? I had revo stage 2 up loaded on Monday there. I know Mark there very well and he didnt say a word to me. Also the picture is ancient. They have an military print Passat CC now. Im
Dubious tbh
Il txt mark now n i shall confirm this for you all tomoro....
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This a bit of a fib? I had revo stage 2 up loaded on Monday there. I know Mark there very well and he didnt say a word to me. Also the picture is ancient. They have an military print Passat CC now. Im
Dubious tbh
Il txt mark now n i shall confirm this for you all tomoro....
Why would it be a fib........
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This a bit of a fib? I had revo stage 2 up loaded on Monday there. I know Mark there very well and he didnt say a word to me. Also the picture is ancient. They have an military print Passat CC now. Im
Dubious tbh
Il txt mark now n i shall confirm this for you all tomoro....
Just visit awesomes website :wink:
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Il txt mark now n i shall confirm this for you all tomoro....
I'm sure he will appreciate a text at 01:15. :surprised:
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This a bit of a fib? I had revo stage 2 up loaded on Monday there.
Did you notice who started the topic?
Have you looked at the statement on the Awesome Web Page?
It's a commercial environment mate, these things are never mentioned until properly formalised and announced.
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Hey everyone
I will be on here tomorrow to answer some questions in a very honest way, but i have only just got to see this thread and its time to for me to get home to the family.
I will just add one thing, we made this decision on what we can offer our customers for the future, for those concerned with figures of APR Maps, this was one of the issues why we left APR previously and this has been addressed and will continue to be addressed by Keith and the whole of the APR team both here and back home in Auburn.
we are not here to piss you guys off by changing companies but we are here to offer you the tuning solutions for the future and this decision was based with where we felt we need to be in the UK market with upgrade packages available to all of you.
If anybody is local and wants to pop in to discuss their concerns or wants to rant at me because they are unhappy with our decision please pop in and see me anytime here at Awesome.
Regards Mark Ash (Operations Director) Awesome Ltd
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Il txt mark now n i shall confirm this for you all tomoro....
I'm sure he will appreciate a text at 01:15.
I decided to wait til morning in the end
I spoke to Mark in detail today. He and awesome have dealt with 4 of my cars and i honestly believe from what hes said he and jim have our best interests in mind. He'll quite openly admit that Revo was superior 12months ago and along with the internal issues with APR it was for the best at that time. By the sounds of things the fall out between the companies wasnt a particularly friendly one so for mark and jim to go and lay the cards on the table with APR n bury the hatchet they must believe that the product has evolved.
As Mark n Jim will probably tell you themselves the revo software is an excellent product n will not fault the proffesionalism of the company. So again with that in mind it must prove something?
I dint think its down to money as someones previously mentioned because if that was the case wouldnt awesome rather keep the apparent 'superior' software n keep all its customers and potential customers with Revo? If its better more people would be it surely?
Its not like its a 'put up or shut up' situation either. Hes said hes happy to consider each n every customers problem with the move whether it be face to face or on the phone and act accordingly.
I for one will be taking Marks word as gospel as he and the staff down there have been flawless over the years.
Anyways.... Thats my pennies worth. My apologies for going on.
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Awesome site showing REVO not APR in the product brands drop down list and has the statement from when they dropped APR :confused:
Cock up in the IT dept?
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Awesome site showing REVO not APR in the product brands drop down list and has the statement from when they dropped APR :confused:
Cock up in the IT dept?
....That's really impressive isn't it :rolleye: :stupid:. It doesn't exactly reflect a company that's got its act together.
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Awesome site showing REVO not APR in the product brands drop down list and has the statement from when they dropped APR :confused:
Cock up in the IT dept?
....That's really impressive isn't it :rolleye: :stupid:. It doesn't exactly reflect a company that's got its act together.
Hello Robin,
We did not have much time to get things changed on the website.
The statement was released on to the website the minute the
transition began. This meant that we were letting our customers know immediately
rather than delaying things.
Thanks
Hassan
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At least Awesome won't be too far away when i move in the summer :grin:
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At least Awesome won't be too far away when i move in the summer :grin:
Where you moving to Carl?
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Shatterick :happy2:
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Awesome site showing REVO not APR in the product brands drop down list and has the statement from when they dropped APR :confused:
Cock up in the IT dept?
The IT person has gone PSI Tuning :smiley:
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Awesome site showing REVO not APR in the product brands drop down list and has the statement from when they dropped APR :confused:
Cock up in the IT dept?
The IT person has gone PSI Tuning :smiley:
Ade?
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Shatterick :happy2:
Ah. :happy2: Enjoy, some nice roads up there at least
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Yeah that's about the only bonus. Having said that the Yorkshire Dales are a nice place to go Camping in the summer.
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Yeah that's about the only bonus. Having said that the Yorkshire Dales are a nice place to go Camping in the summer.
I like to stop off in Grassington and jaunt along Buttertubbs pass :driver:
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Sh!tterack :happy2:
....I hope it's nicer than it sounds, Carl! :evilgrin:
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.......the Yorkshire Dales are a nice place to go Camping in the summer.
I'm off camping there in Jine :happy2:
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Sh!tterack :happy2:
....I hope it's nicer than it sounds, Carl! :evilgrin:
Its not :grin: :grin:
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.......the Yorkshire Dales are a nice place to go Camping in the summer.
I'm off camping there in Jine :happy2:
I live thier :signLOL: and the butter tub pass isn't to far fron where i live :happy2:
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Oi you lot
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Awesome site showing REVO not APR in the product brands drop down list and has the statement from when they dropped APR :confused:
Cock up in the IT dept?
The IT person has gone PSI Tuning :smiley:
Ade?
Yep :happy2:
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Hence this job advert just before last Christmas.
http://uk-mkvs.net/forums/t/456241.aspx
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Good news....makes good business sense for the future especially having APR on board in UK to deal with any 'issues' in UK time.
I haven't a MK5 or 6 but am in a lovely MK2 16V (200bhp Quaiffe etc etc) for track. I buy and sell aview VAG car's and the odd beemer but I still miss the Ed 30.
Having the stage 3 kit's available for MK5/6's etc is great news.....come to think of it I was considering an APR stage 3+ on a B7 Quattro estate....a real sleeper.....done it on a MKIV but fancy it on a B7.