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All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Phil Miller on March 24, 2012, 11:06:31 pm

Title: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Phil Miller on March 24, 2012, 11:06:31 pm
Right having a blond moment and need some info
Right on ebay and the like i see XENONS and BI-XENONS for sale, whats the difference???

Also on ETKA the part number for Xenons is 1K6 941 039 A and 040A so a xenon headlight with part number 1K6 941 031 A is what??? why do some things have to be confusing

can someone please explain
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: vRS Carl on March 24, 2012, 11:09:21 pm
Xenons only have a dipped xenon beam and a normal filament main beam.

Bi-Xenons have both dipped and Main xenon beam

Also those codes (I haven't looked yet) one will be for the passenger side and one for the drivers side as they are not universal :happy2: I would need to look what the other one is.
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Phil Miller on March 24, 2012, 11:29:32 pm
Ideal thanks for that, the 031 A is a xenon as the main beam is a normal H7 bulb and reflector, the LHD units have no letter but are still 040 and 039 still cant work out the 031 A tho
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: vRS Carl on March 24, 2012, 11:38:46 pm
the 031 A is an older part and has been superseded by the 039 A :happy2:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenShot2012-03-24at233649.png&hash=7b3d4f037710e60f40db701c1f3e18b9d5b10b27)
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Phil Miller on March 24, 2012, 11:40:15 pm
the 031 A is an older part and has been superseded by the 039 A :happy2:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenShot2012-03-24at233649.png&hash=7b3d4f037710e60f40db701c1f3e18b9d5b10b27)


Carl you have just made my day, thank you for that, just need to find a drivers side light now
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: vRS Carl on March 24, 2012, 11:41:05 pm
Always happy to help  :happy2:
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: dmac1969 on March 25, 2012, 06:37:42 pm
Wow , Ive just checked those prices out , over £700 a side brand new? by the time youve fitted the wash system and had them fitted , over £1500 if using all new bits?  :surprised:
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Creatz on March 25, 2012, 06:46:01 pm
Not to forget the headlight washers are now mandatory as well
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: nadlad on March 25, 2012, 06:46:06 pm
That's why you buy second hand pal
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Saintsteve on March 25, 2012, 07:49:20 pm
Not to forget the headlight washers are now mandatory as well

That ole chestnut...  :indifferent:

No they are not, must be working if installed I think your find  :wink:
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Creatz on March 25, 2012, 08:10:29 pm
Not to forget the headlight washers are now mandatory as well

That ole chestnut...  :indifferent:

No they are not, must be working if installed I think your find  :wink:

I was told if you have xenons (hid) then the washers was mandatory,if the xenons was on the car with out washers present it was instant fail.
I'm not referring to washers installed but not working
4.1.6 Headlamp cleaning device (where mandatory):
Device not operating.

Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: vRS Carl on March 25, 2012, 08:14:16 pm
Creatz the rules have changed.

If the lights are factory fit then they must have headlight washers and self levelling as per EU Regs for new cars etc. However the rules (which would govern retrofits and factory fit) now state the following


http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf

Quote from:
  • Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
  • Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.
  • Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Creatz on March 25, 2012, 08:18:40 pm
Ahh nice quote,cheers Carl.

Just recall having  this conversation with someone else when I was going to get my GTI done.
And they was saying i would have to get the bumper the levelling kit washers,in the end I thought sod it.
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: vRS Carl on March 25, 2012, 08:27:54 pm
That used to be the case mate. But since the new MOT regs came into force in January it's been as per the above  :happy2:
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Hedge on March 25, 2012, 08:38:12 pm
Sounds a bit soft to me.  :wink:
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: vRS Carl on March 25, 2012, 08:42:34 pm
 :grin:
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Phil Miller on March 25, 2012, 09:14:07 pm
That used to be the case mate. But since the new MOT regs came into force in January it's been as per the above  :happy2:

New regs come in on the 1 april, the new regs state that if the tester is unsure if washers or level sensing is fitted they have to pass it,

Also yes ETKA does give a silly price on a bare xenon light, but im sure the trade discount of 28% would make a massive hole in the RRP, gonna call tomorrow i think TPS will prob do a light for £300 ish
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Squeeguk on March 25, 2012, 09:31:44 pm
Xenons only have a dipped xenon beam and a normal filament main beam.

Bi-Xenons have both dipped and Main xenon beam

Also those codes (I haven't looked yet) one will be for the passenger side and one for the drivers side as they are not universal :happy2: I would need to look what the other one is.

Uhm, don't think that is correct.

Mine has Bi-Xenon's and it still uses a halogen high/main beam. The difference as I understand it is that:

Xenon's as above have only the dipped beam as xenon with halogen as main.

Bi-Xenon's have as above, but the dipped beam has a flap built in which opens up and then the dipped beam is also a main beam when main beam is activated.

This means the bi-xenon has two modes, whereas the plain xenon has one mode.

I may be wrong, but that is the definition as I understand it and how my car works. The reason they do not used xenon as mains is constantly switching the ballast and ignitor on and off, when flashing lights, shortens their lifespan and you also have the issue with xenons taking time to get to full temperature.
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: vRS Carl on March 25, 2012, 09:38:01 pm
I haven't looked at a golf but iirc I think they are all as you have described come to think it from what I have read

But some cars do have both xenon dip and main bulbs :happy2:
Title: Re: XENON Headlights explain please
Post by: Phil Miller on March 26, 2012, 02:02:24 pm
Wow , Ive just checked those prices out , over £700 a side brand new? by the time youve fitted the wash system and had them fitted , over £1500 if using all new bits?  :surprised:

Called TPS plymouth today a zenon headlight trade is £330, so ive seen a pair on ebay sell for £550 in good nick you can have a pair of brand new ones for £660, ok so thats a big difference but my point is there brand new