MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Felix on March 30, 2012, 10:39:56 am
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Hi all. Im in a gunuine quandry and would appreciate some advice. Now moving on to increasing the power on my eddy and I already have a non-res miltek TBE fitted which I love. I can afford either a remap (probably revo as I want the switch) or a CAI (probably a twintake as I want the gains without too much shout), and may have to leave the other until next year. Would you get the CAI first and be patient for the power, or get the remap? I assume that with a TBE and twintake I should make some noticable gains anyway? Thanks for any advice. :happy2:
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Stage 2 map job done
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Remap dude, A cai can wait. Youll see more gains with a remap then a cai trust me, A cai just helps, and not really noticeable when fitted.
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Remap all the way matey, the difference is immense on the Edition 30, I've just fitted a Neuspeed intake as well, two months after having it mapped and I wouldn't say that it has improved performance much more than the standard air filter set up, it is a lot noisier though. I've got Bluefin stage 1 on mine and most people will say the gains aren't as good as revo but I'm happy for now.
The remap just changes it into a different car, even the stage 1. I've found that economy is better too. Just get it mapped and worry about the other side of things as and when you can afford to.
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Thanks guys I guess its the obvious answer. Just hope there's a revo spring/summer sale coming up otherwise its probably bluefin for me too :happy2:
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where are you based? for the full price of the Revo you could have an HPFP fitted and go for an R-Tech Stage 2+ map which i've heard are meant to be amazing. mine's booked in for a lighter state of tune next week (pending the Stage 2+ hardware being fitted), i can't wait!
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Solihull. Sounds good that mate - dont you need a CAI though?
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Solihull. Sounds good that mate - dont you need a CAI though?
some argue that no iot isn't. the "required" mods for stage 2+ are HPFP and downpipe with sports cat/decat. (optional mods are CAI, intercooler.) i might have been slightly generous with the pricing to be honest:
exhaust - you've got already
HPFP - £270 from W8 Performance on here
1hr labour to get it fitted (R-Tech might be able to do this for you)
£390 for the remap (from their website/a phone quote i got 2 days ago) - that includes a DSG remap if you've got DSG.
Revo is about £600 for Stage 2 when you include the VAT so it'll be about £100 more money but you'd get more power so it'd still be what i'd choose
R-Tech are on here and a lot of people have had good results with them. they're not far from you, in Hinckley. If you go down the M6 towards the M1 they're basically just before you reach the M1.
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Solihull. Sounds good that mate - dont you need a CAI though?
some argue that no iot isn't. the "required" mods for stage 2+ are HPFP and downpipe with sports cat/decat. (optional mods are CAI, intercooler.) i might have been slightly generous with the pricing to be honest:
exhaust - you've got already
HPFP - £270 from W9 Performance on here
1hr labour to get it fitted (R-Tech might be able to do this for you)
£390 for the remap (from their website/a phone quote i got 2 days ago) - that includes a DSG remap if you've got DSG.
Revo is about £600 for Stage 2 when you include the VAT so it'll be about £100 more money but you'd get more power so it'd still be what i'd choose
R-Tech are on here and a lot of people have had good results with them. they're not far from you, in Hinckley. If you go down the M6 towards the M1 they're basically just before you reach the M1.
I think W8 Performance has a better ring to it!! :laugh:
I have had an Evoms fitted on stage 1 and 2 and while it's not a necessity, imho it does make a difference, at the end of the day with a larger bore exhaust expelling a larger volume of gases it wouldn't hurt to have an intake sucking in extra air - plus it sounds awesome. Back to the original question, it's a no brainer, remap is a definite to release the potential of the exhaust. :happy2:
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Thanks guys I guess its the obvious answer. Just hope there's a revo spring/summer sale coming up otherwise its probably bluefin for me too :happy2:
Your properly best getting bluefin if your thinking stage 2, or you will have to budget in a fuel pump as Revos map tends to request far too much pressure which the stock pump won't cope with. This is only if your on a budget as you say you are.
I'm a very happy owner of a stage 2 bluefin car , on the stock own fuel pump, and there's absolutely nothing to say Bluefin isn't very good VFM fella.
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Solihull. Sounds good that mate - dont you need a CAI though?
some argue that no iot isn't. the "required" mods for stage 2+ are HPFP and downpipe with sports cat/decat. (optional mods are CAI, intercooler.) i might have been slightly generous with the pricing to be honest:
exhaust - you've got already
HPFP - £270 from W9 Performance on here
1hr labour to get it fitted (R-Tech might be able to do this for you)
£390 for the remap (from their website/a phone quote i got 2 days ago) - that includes a DSG remap if you've got DSG.
Revo is about £600 for Stage 2 when you include the VAT so it'll be about £100 more money but you'd get more power so it'd still be what i'd choose
R-Tech are on here and a lot of people have had good results with them. they're not far from you, in Hinckley. If you go down the M6 towards the M1 they're basically just before you reach the M1.
I think W8 Performance has a better ring to it!! :laugh:
:signLOL: it was just a typo, i've bought stuff on him before :happy2:
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Solihull. Sounds good that mate - dont you need a CAI though?
some argue that no iot isn't. the "required" mods for stage 2+ are HPFP and downpipe with sports cat/decat. (optional mods are CAI, intercooler.) i might have been slightly generous with the pricing to be honest:
exhaust - you've got already
HPFP - £270 from W9 Performance on here
1hr labour to get it fitted (R-Tech might be able to do this for you)
£390 for the remap (from their website/a phone quote i got 2 days ago) - that includes a DSG remap if you've got DSG.
Revo is about £600 for Stage 2 when you include the VAT so it'll be about £100 more money but you'd get more power so it'd still be what i'd choose
R-Tech are on here and a lot of people have had good results with them. they're not far from you, in Hinckley. If you go down the M6 towards the M1 they're basically just before you reach the M1.
I think W8 Performance has a better ring to it!! :laugh:
:signLOL: it was just a typo, i've bought stuff on him before :happy2:
ON him or off/from him, another typo :signLOL:
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Solihull. Sounds good that mate - dont you need a CAI though?
some argue that no iot isn't. the "required" mods for stage 2+ are HPFP and downpipe with sports cat/decat. (optional mods are CAI, intercooler.) i might have been slightly generous with the pricing to be honest:
exhaust - you've got already
HPFP - £270 from W9 Performance on here
1hr labour to get it fitted (R-Tech might be able to do this for you)
£390 for the remap (from their website/a phone quote i got 2 days ago) - that includes a DSG remap if you've got DSG.
Revo is about £600 for Stage 2 when you include the VAT so it'll be about £100 more money but you'd get more power so it'd still be what i'd choose
R-Tech are on here and a lot of people have had good results with them. they're not far from you, in Hinckley. If you go down the M6 towards the M1 they're basically just before you reach the M1.
I think W8 Performance has a better ring to it!! :laugh:
:signLOL: it was just a typo, i've bought stuff on him before :happy2:
ON him or off/from him, another typo :signLOL:
Beat me to it that time - :grin:
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Solihull. Sounds good that mate - dont you need a CAI though?
some argue that no iot isn't. the "required" mods for stage 2+ are HPFP and downpipe with sports cat/decat. (optional mods are CAI, intercooler.) i might have been slightly generous with the pricing to be honest:
exhaust - you've got already
HPFP - £270 from W9 Performance on here
1hr labour to get it fitted (R-Tech might be able to do this for you)
£390 for the remap (from their website/a phone quote i got 2 days ago) - that includes a DSG remap if you've got DSG.
Revo is about £600 for Stage 2 when you include the VAT so it'll be about £100 more money but you'd get more power so it'd still be what i'd choose
R-Tech are on here and a lot of people have had good results with them. they're not far from you, in Hinckley. If you go down the M6 towards the M1 they're basically just before you reach the M1.
I think W8 Performance has a better ring to it!! :laugh:
:signLOL: it was just a typo, i've bought stuff on him before :happy2:
ON him or off/from him, another typo :signLOL:
oh dear, i'm not having a good day am i!!!
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Sooner or later you will need an aftermarket intake to enjoy the potential of a remap.
It's a slippery slope!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRED_INK%2FGTIforum_HelpSlipperySlope.jpg&hash=84efac0c69de7d6ccf6d3b434354e0f596c81722)
It's inevitable, so just lie back and enjoy it!
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What about a Shark remap with an STS unit if you want to be able to switch or update the map in the future?
Remap is £399 and STS is £150, with forum discount its £509 all in.
I double checked for Typo's :wink:
Shame on you Subegh :P
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Like Matt said stage 2 map job done :happy2:
I would wait till you have all the hardware before going stage 2+ thats what its designed for, to take advantage of the extra hardware, so not having the hardware and having stage 2+ is pretty pointless really, your not gonna gain anything over stage 2.
The standard intake is very restrictive and so is the standard fuel pump that is a fact, so yes in my eyes they are both definatly required for stage 2+.
Intercooler is the one thing you could "get away" with but i would still recommend one really.
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I had a stage 2+ map on my car with an intake and the OE downpipe with no pre cat and it made 252bhp. I have now switched back to the OE engine cover as they are good for about 275 -280 bhp with a good panel filter according to R Tech on the K03. I now have the Autotech HPFP fitted (purchased from W8 Performance) and the BCS turbo back exhaust plus RS4 valve and my car flies. I cant quote any figures as yet because I havent been back to Shark for a dyno run. But def go with the remap and from experience, Shark is the way to go either direct or from one of the fine comapanies who also sell Shark products, such as W8 Performance :happy2:
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If you go stage 2+ mate you will absolutely sh!t your pants with how quickly they accelerate, but be aware, going along quickly means stopping will take longer, if you have standard brakes, :happy2: even on mapped gti , imho they are w4nk. So, throwing near on 330-340hp at the standard stoppers will be pretty grim. Then there is also your clutch to consider and engine mounts. Personally if i had an ed30 i would stage 1 it with an exhaust and leave it at that. There plenty quick enough. But thats just my opinion. :happy2:
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Just looked at the VWR intakes current price £480.....ouch!
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Just looked at the VWR intakes current price £480.....ouch!
HOW MUCH :laugh:
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I know, its an expensive filter but really the only enclosed option for the Octy. I think I will stay with the OE engine cover, as nice as the ITGs are I dont think I could live with the extra intake noise again.
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Stage 2 map job done
+1 :happy2:
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Just caught up so thanks for all the comments its appreciated, so map it is :smiley: Shark is a bit too far but r-tech is well worth considering, I will have a look. I also have a pipercross filter installed so with the TBE is that all I need for stage 2 bluefin? I notice someone reported they provide a lower torque stage 2 map to help get the power down in the lower gears - any good and what power do they realistically get? I'm not after the fastest car on the planet just interested in keeping balance and some grip! Cheers fellas. :happy2:
PS. Its lowered with eng mount and superpro walk style bushes to help with the power upgrade.
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Sorry to tell ya but you gonna need brake upgrades pretty soon.