MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Sammy on April 10, 2012, 12:30:08 am
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As above what kind of figures should I be seeing with the s3 turbo injectors and s3 intercooler?
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Id be interested to know this too.. What bhp is your car running at the moment? You had a look at prices for those mods?
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Am on stage 2+ atm so have all the hardware already, also got all parts ready for conversion so talking about cost I have already spent the few grands!! :signLOL:
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Depends what stage of tune you go for. 2+ should be around 340-350. Stage 1 around the 300 mark
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Just a quick question - Im interested in figures too - but could you not just get the ed30 injectors and intercooler - wouldn't it be more cost effective just to buy a doner engine from a ed30 or s3 (just spitballing)
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350 bhp are not realistic on gti with K04....
I have gti with K04 and saw 330 bhp and 340 lb of torque. 350-360 bhp are for ed30 with stage 2+ stage of tune which are possible thanks to slightly different internals then gti...
If you haven't started modding yet the more efficient option could be to get s3 / ed30 engine in the first place
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350 bhp are not realistic on gti with K04....
Depends on whose dyno you use... :smiley:
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:happy2:
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I have gti with K04 and saw 330 bhp and 340 lb of torque. 350-360 bhp are for ed30 with stage 2+ stage of tune which are possible thanks to slightly different internals then gti...
When measured on the same dyno there isn't really a difference between the 2.
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350 bhp are not realistic on gti with K04....
I have gti with K04 and saw 330 bhp and 340 lb of torque. 350-360 bhp are for ed30 with stage 2+ stage of tune which are possible thanks to slightly different internals then gti...
If you haven't started modding yet the more efficient option could be to get s3 / ed30 engine in the first place
I thought the internals were the same, just different injectors? The S3 has tougher internals iirc...... :popcornsoda:
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350 bhp are not realistic on gti with K04....
I have gti with K04 and saw 330 bhp and 340 lb of torque. 350-360 bhp are for ed30 with stage 2+ stage of tune which are possible thanks to slightly different internals then gti...
If you haven't started modding yet the more efficient option could be to get s3 / ed30 engine in the first place
I think you can, James here on this forum has managed 397 BHP with water meth and without pretty sure he was hitting not much less then 350 but of course it depends on the car?
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350 bhp are not realistic on gti with K04....
I have gti with K04 and saw 330 bhp and 340 lb of torque. 350-360 bhp are for ed30 with stage 2+ stage of tune which are possible thanks to slightly different internals then gti...
If you haven't started modding yet the more efficient option could be to get s3 / ed30 engine in the first place
I think you can, James here on this forum has managed 397 BHP with water meth and without pretty sure he was hitting not much less then 350 but of course it depends on the car?
Forgot to add reliably on long term basis!
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The GTI's AXX engine with S3/ED 30/Cupra (same engine) turbo-Injectors-downpipe-intake-upgraded HPFP will see you between 310-330bhp and 440nm realisticaly and reliably. :drinking:
ED30 and GTI has the same IC.
I have done app. 65.000km on my AXX with K04 conversion.
I have just fitted a Cupra BWJ engine instead and can only recommend it if you can source an engine at a reasonable price :happy2:
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From what I've heard the AXX & BWA with a K04 bolted on will make more than an ED30 / S3 with the same mods - apparently due to the higher compression ratios over the S3 / ED30. :surprised:
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This GTI made 374 BHP!?
http://www.more-bhp.com/golf_5_k04_upgrade.html
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More flow in and out and very cool charge temps needed to make high power safe. I read some where APR and Revo managed 400bhp+ with race fuel only?
The WMI certainly helped me to set the timing strong enough to crack 395bhp if it was not for the WMI I would have not gone over 365-370bhp. Its making this power and still boosting in range of the stock 2.5bar map sensor around 1.45bar across the board with around 200mb on the spool over shoot. I have full control of the N75/boost now open loop which means I can control the boost safe when out of map sensor range. James is due back in soon once his diff and clutch have been fitted to pretty much max the turbo at at the top end. What I have found the K04 on the BWA make better peak power and air flow is the peak boost/torque is kept low.
For some reason I find it easier to tune the GTi with k04 conversions over the ED30s?? They seem to make power at the top end much easier? hardware or software I dont know?
I also read somewhere people are boosting the k04 beyond 30psi?? :sick:
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reliably on long term basis!
This is unknown..... All I can say is James hammers hell out of the car and its done over 1000 miles on my dyno flat out... :driver:
We will find out how long it lasts when James posts the topic up "new engine/turbo need"
Nick
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From what I've heard the AXX & BWA with a K04 bolted on will make more than an ED30 / S3 with the same mods - apparently due to the higher compression ratios over the S3 / ED30. :surprised:
impossible due to the conrods in the AXX/BWA, and the tuners will lower the torque due to this :happy2:
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From what I've heard the AXX & BWA with a K04 bolted on will make more than an ED30 / S3 with the same mods - apparently due to the higher compression ratios over the S3 / ED30. :surprised:
Compared on the same dyno it seems the BWA vs the ED 30 engine with KO4 make similiar peak BHP but the BWA holds it for longer.
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More flow in and out and very cool charge temps needed to make high power safe. I read some where APR and Revo managed 400bhp+ with race fuel only?
The WMI certainly helped me to set the timing strong enough to crack 395bhp if it was not for the WMI I would have not gone over 365-370bhp. Its making this power and still boosting in range of the stock 2.5bar map sensor around 1.45bar across the board with around 200mb on the spool over shoot. I have full control of the N75/boost now open loop which means I can control the boost safe when out of map sensor range. James is due back in soon once his diff and clutch have been fitted to pretty much max the turbo at at the top end. What I have found the K04 on the BWA make better peak power and air flow is the peak boost/torque is kept low.
For some reason I find it easier to tune the GTi with k04 conversions over the ED30s?? They seem to make power at the top end much easier? hardware or software I dont know?
I also read somewhere people are boosting the k04 beyond 30psi?? :sick:
What BHP did james gti make without the water meth Nick? Also was his AXX or BWA?
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This GTI made 374 BHP!?
http://www.more-bhp.com/golf_5_k04_upgrade.html
So thats about 340-350 on a dd roller then :signLOL:
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This GTI made 374 BHP!?
http://www.more-bhp.com/golf_5_k04_upgrade.html
So thats about 340-350 on a dd roller then :signLOL:
I bet it would be 330 on JKM rollers :signLOL:
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mine is a BWA, i am still bashing the feck out of it :driver: it lives in the red line, still not missed a beat .
i will change the oil 3/5k, and check the oil every morning. i think if was going to go bang it would of done it by now. :drinking:
..tell a lie it did miss a beat once, that was 100% meth and made it clip the map sensor.