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Title: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: MPS on April 19, 2012, 11:45:53 pm
See http://www.vwgroup-paintandbody.co.uk/downloads/technical/2009Nov9CorrosionToGolkMk5FrontWing.pdf (http://www.vwgroup-paintandbody.co.uk/downloads/technical/2009Nov9CorrosionToGolkMk5FrontWing.pdf) for more info
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: stealthwolf on April 19, 2012, 11:53:28 pm
Might want to add an option for 54 and 05/55 plates too.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: MPS on April 19, 2012, 11:54:38 pm
Might want to add an option for 54 and 05/55 plates too.

Doh, yes good point  :happy2:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: dodds-gttdi on April 19, 2012, 11:59:59 pm
This seems to be a very useful piece of info to arm myself with before going in to VW to seee about a warranty claim. But what does it actually tell us? I've rust around the rear boot handle, both front arches and both front sills.  :sad1: Car is a '54' plate with 90k miles. All VW history though.  :smiley:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: RedRobin on April 20, 2012, 12:04:03 am
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Sorry to be pedantic, but to be accurate it's the build year which is important and not the UK registration plate. Volkswagen won't be interested in the plate date.

Volkswagen starts a new build (revised specification) every July after its factory holidays. For example, mine was built in the week of 11th July 2005 and is therefore an 06-build but it's an 05-plate.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: stealthwolf on April 20, 2012, 12:08:58 am
True but it'll give an idea of a cut-off point. Not everyone will know their build date.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: dodds-gttdi on April 20, 2012, 12:10:48 am
Hopefully all Mk5 Golf's still fall into the 12 year corrosion category though. I can't see VW making any in the year 2000! :laugh: Good point tho, RR.  :happy2:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: RedRobin on April 20, 2012, 12:15:48 am

True but it'll give an idea of a cut-off point. Not everyone will know their build date.


....What!!? Not know their beloved's birthday!? I know my car's birthday of 11th July better than which date I got married, or my ex wife's birthday! I know that my Decree Absolute came through on a 4th July though - Independence Day!  :jumpmove:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: MPS on April 20, 2012, 02:04:02 am
This seems to be a very useful piece of info to arm myself with before going in to VW to seee about a warranty claim. But what does it actually tell us? I've rust around the rear boot handle, both front arches and both front sills.  :sad1: Car is a '54' plate with 90k miles. All VW history though.  :smiley:

VW changed the cut of the foam insert for July '06 build cars onwards.

The only reason I made the poll was to see if said modification stopped the rust issue  :happy2:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: Mk5 GTian on April 20, 2012, 06:09:33 am

Are you also interested in those of us that DID have the rust and have had it sorted?

Also, it would be interesting if you had a yes/ or no question first to see the percentage of each plate that had it.

Great thread, this will be really useful info.  :happy2:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: stealthwolf on April 20, 2012, 07:51:35 am
Agree for the yes/no option. Have a look at the dsg mechatronics poll to see what it looks like.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: neg on April 20, 2012, 08:54:53 am
I had this on my 05 plate - paint flicked off.  Ended up having the wing painted.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: Mk5 GTian on April 20, 2012, 09:01:13 am

I've put mine on (05/55) as I did have it, but it's been sorted.  :happy2:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: RedRobin on April 20, 2012, 09:05:22 am

VW changed the cut of the foam insert for July '06 build cars onwards.

The only reason I made the poll was to see if said modification stopped the rust issue  :happy2:


....We are probably going to get rid of the foam entirely on mine if it's possible. As said in the other thread, my car is on VWR engine mounts and isn't a diseasal, so I see no need to have anything which potentially collects moisture and consequently causes rust.

My bodyshop will tell me when I'm there next week but meanwhile, does the foam strip serve to stop rattling between wheel arch (wing) and arch liner?

We don't know yet whether my existing wings will be repaired or replaced.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: skard on April 20, 2012, 09:57:17 am
My Golf was manufactured Nov '05 and I recently noticed bubbling and now rusting on the lip.

As mentioned on the other thread I went to a local dealer and was told I had to wait over three months for an inspection, tried another dealer and the guy, although very busy, inspected my car and he is submitting the case to VW so I should hear by the start of the week.

Fingers crossed I get some form of goodwill as the car has only been in VW twice (I've always used a VAG indy after the first dealer I mentioned smashed my windscreen, lost my tax disc and killed cruise control - all whilst changing an ECU!!).
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: Kalpsn2000 on April 20, 2012, 11:27:51 am

Are you also interested in those of us that DID have the rust and have had it sorted?

Also, it would be interesting if you had a yes/ or no question first to see the percentage of each plate that had it.

Great thread, this will be really useful info.  :happy2:

Agree for the yes/no option. Have a look at the dsg mechatronics poll to see what it looks like.

+1
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: Frodo-anni on April 20, 2012, 11:44:58 am
My MK4 anni had the wings done due to corrosion and they explained that it was the sponge in the wing that retains water and causes the rust to start. This is similar to the mk5, the sponge is there i believe to stop the arch liner vibrating.

When looking for my ed30, i saw many 07,57, even an 08 plate with arch and sill rot, some very badly repaired. The 08 plate one had large sections of paint flaking off and only 28k on the clock, according to the main dealer, JCT600 it was to be expected due to the age!
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: AlanEdition30 on April 20, 2012, 11:51:12 am
My May 07 plate hasn't started rusting yet. Though its always kept in a garage with a dehumidifier running once a month till it fills its tank. Im hoping that the dehumidifier has been getting the water out of the foam/sponge under the plastic  :laugh:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: dmac1969 on April 21, 2012, 08:14:47 pm
Mine has the rust starting , both front wheelarches. The boothandle area is clear just now , as are both sills. TBH its not so bad at the moment , you can hardly see it so I'm going to wait till its noticeable so I get new wings , I dont really want the original ones repaired. My car was registered in July 05 so was most likely a pre July Hols 2005 build.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: Carla77 on April 21, 2012, 10:01:39 pm
My 54 plate has rust on both front wings, drivers side sill, the tailgate (near the boot badge) and a random patch of rust in the middle of the passenger door. VW have agreed to repair one of the wings and the sill with me footing 30% of the cost of the repair.  They won't consider the other patches of rust as they "can't see them on the photos" that were submitted by the dealership.

I'm having daily arguments with VWUK and slowly working my way up the chain of management until I get a satisfactory response - Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: RedRobin on April 21, 2012, 10:11:42 pm

They won't consider the other patches of rust as they "can't see them on the photos" that were submitted by the dealership.

I'm having daily arguments with VWUK and slowly working my way up the chain of management until I get a satisfactory response - Fingers crossed.


....Then perhaps you should send them your own photos and complain that the VW dealer's are inadequate.

Option 2 is to wait for the rust areas to become much more obvious and then take more pics.

They couldn't really argue with mine!:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi22.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FWheelArch_paintlift.jpg&hash=416c4614a0aafbaf0c92e0ba4c1a3185cda25181)

But perhaps I scared them into submission!
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 22, 2012, 07:33:28 am
Mine are getting both panels below the front fenders done tuesday, 100% covered by VWDK, i still need them toacknowledge some rust on by boot, it's been there minimum 3 years and has not expanded so the paintsurface can't be damaged.
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: Phil Miller on April 22, 2012, 10:37:52 am
Hmm my front wings seem ok, well i havent noticed yet, will have to take a look, my rear arch lip has spots on it, the local body shop whos paint is spot on (but cant bond a GTI spoiler in the right place  :chicken:) want £300 to do both (mates rates) im gonna have them done in about 6 weeks when the weather is better

mines a may 2004 reg
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: Carla77 on April 22, 2012, 10:49:46 pm

They won't consider the other patches of rust as they "can't see them on the photos" that were submitted by the dealership.

I'm having daily arguments with VWUK and slowly working my way up the chain of management until I get a satisfactory response - Fingers crossed.


....Then perhaps you should send them your own photos and complain that the VW dealer's are inadequate.

Option 2 is to wait for the rust areas to become much more obvious and then take more pics.

They couldn't really argue with mine!:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi22.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FWheelArch_paintlift.jpg&hash=416c4614a0aafbaf0c92e0ba4c1a3185cda25181)

But perhaps I scared them into submission!

Think I'll get you to take my photos and scare them into submission!! To be fair to the dealership, they've taken photos with pennies taped to the bodywork to try to show how the paint is bubbling and lifting underneath but VWUK still won't have it. Gotta feel sorry for the dealerships, surely VW trust them to be a franchise and sell their cars, why don't they trust their word that there is rust?
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: MAT ED30 on April 28, 2012, 09:31:33 pm
gave the car a good clean yesterday and noticed a 2 rust spots on the inside of the arches  :fighting: booked in now with vw to have a look  :fighting:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: MAT ED30 on April 30, 2012, 10:25:38 am
Just been to Vw for them to look at the rust on the inside of the wing good thing is I know the guy who runs the Vw body shop and he said don't worry we will get it sorted might just try for 2 new wings for the car,just need to wait on Vw now to approve it
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: davey g on September 04, 2013, 10:15:34 am
has anyone got a working link for the original post
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: Frodo-anni on September 04, 2013, 12:46:48 pm
Drop me a pm with your email  :happy2:
Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: doylebros on September 04, 2013, 08:14:08 pm
Drop me a pm with your email  :happy2:

Hope you don't mind - pm sent -  :happy2:
Title: Re: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: torque777 on September 04, 2013, 08:28:23 pm
My golf is 57plate on a 08 chassis and our jetta is 56 plate on a 07 chassis and neither have no evidence of rust in arches ..is this because the foam block was modified ? Cant read link

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Title: Re: VW front wheel arch corrosion - modified production method
Post by: davey g on September 04, 2013, 09:45:45 pm
Email sent frodo