MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: berg on April 20, 2012, 09:56:32 am
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Guys,
going round in circles here (no pun intended)
Want stickier tyres for summer, no track work just fast road use at stg 2+. Easy, I thought R1R's look a good bet but am still slightly uneasy about all the semi slicks being rated at 88 not 92 apart from R888's. :scared:
Right, get R888's then for ultimate grip, but i use the car as a daily and with all the rain even in summer am not sure they are a good shout as an everyday tyre? :driver:
Ok I thought, how about PSS, SC5P as grippier than your normal tyre but dont do them over here yet in 225/40/18 :fighting:
Everyone seem to rate the Goodyear Eagle F1 so not sure whether to just get those or should I grow a pair and have a go with the R1R's as weight distribution should be fine or R888's and take it easy in the rain....
Any opinions to help sway me appreciated... :party:
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As tyres are designed for specific uses you are always going to have to accept a degree of compromise. Therefore you have to decide your favoured usage: Trackdays or all-season (except snow) road.
One option is to have a set of lightweight wheels with road legal (or not) trackday tyres and another set of wheels with all-season (except snow) tyres.
As a daily I would strongly recommend any asymmetric tyre tread over a directional. Over 100,000 miles I have experienced quite a few road tyres and my favourite by far is the Goodyear Asymmetric F1 (now version 2). I got caught out on a trackday at Spa in the wet and was overtaking everything (including avoiding a spinning Radical!) because my tyres were up to the job. On the road I'm never phased by torrential rain - I slow down of course but my tyres can be relied on.
Tyres are critical in helping grip - They are the only point of contact we have with the road/track - But there are other mods we can use to help traction too.
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As a daily I would strongly recommend any asymmetric tyre tread over a directional. Over 100,000 miles I have experienced quite a few road tyres and my favourite by far is the Goodyear Asymmetric F1 (now version 2). I got caught out on a trackday at Spa in the wet and was overtaking everything (including avoiding a spinning Radical!) because my tyres were up to the job. On the road I'm never phased by torrential rain - I slow down of course but my tyres can be relied on.
Tyres are critical in helping grip - They are the only point of contact we have with the road/track - But there are other mods we can use to help traction too.
X2 - Fantastic tyres, even in the wet they inspire a lot of confidence :happy2:
May be worth pricing your choice up on Tyre-Shopper. I got a set of the above (18in) for £510 fitted :wink:
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yeah cheers robin, never tried goodyears yet on any of my cars and they are a good price too! I cant help but think wont get the most out of semi slicks if not on the track and on my daily commute it too busy so am relying on a early sunday morning blast to get any use out of them
i have a spare set of alloys and they have winter tyres on them at present. in terms of other traction mods have done them all so i dont want to scrimp on tyres.
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i have a spare set of alloys and they have winter tyres on them at present. in terms of other traction mods have done them all so i dont want to scrimp on tyres.
....That's the one! The contact area per tyre is only about the size of a CD disc. For your own safety and other people's, you never want to scrimp on tyres on ANY vehicle.
Semi slicks etc will feel awesome in the dry but will also wear out quicker and can potentially put you in a hedge in the wet. Obviously some tyres in this group are more practical than others. Hurdy has good experience of various tyres.
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X3 Got a set of F1's a month ago, recommended on here by a few peeps. Camskill online for about £470 a set then get your local fitter to do the rest. :happy2:
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i have a spare set of alloys and they have winter tyres on them at present. in terms of other traction mods have done them all so i dont want to scrimp on tyres.
....That's the one! The contact area per tyre is only about the size of a CD disc. For your own safety and other people's, you never want to scrimp on tyres on ANY vehicle.
Semi slicks etc will feel awesome in the dry but will also wear out quicker and can potentially put you in a hedge in the wet. Obviously some tyres in this group are more practical than others. Hurdy has good experience of various tyres.
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
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Goodyear eagle f1 or michelin pilot sport 3 are the best tyres ive owned i have toyo t1 proxes sport and i dont rate them at all compared to the michelins or goodyears but i dont know if thats due to tyres being 215 stretched on 8.5 j
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Been very happy with the Conti sport contact 5's so far :)
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cant get the SC5P by looks of it though and was not too impressed with the SC2, not bad just not super grippy.
Get confused with the Pirelli brands too - which is the best tyre Nero, Rosso??
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Conti sport 3 on my ED30. Came out tops in Evo's test a couple of months ago. :smiley:
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Conti sport 3 on my ED30. Came out tops in Evo's test a couple of months ago. :smiley:
yeah, they just edged the Goodyear which was 3rd wasn't it? with Hankook 2nd!
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I have Pirelli P-Zero Rosso's and they're definitely good - my mate is running the Goodyear Assymetric Eagle F1's though and they definitely seem to perform better in terms of grip
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Conti sport 3 on my ED30. Came out tops in Evo's test a couple of months ago. :smiley:
yeah, they just edged the Goodyear which was 3rd wasn't it? with Hankook 2nd!
......think so,but at work now but can check when i get home as i've still got the mag. :smiley:
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Goodyear eagle f1 or michelin pilot sport 3 are the best tyres ive owned i have toyo t1 proxes sport and i dont rate them at all compared to the michelins or goodyears but i dont know if thats due to tyres being 215 stretched on 8.5 j
Been using Toyo T1 for 5.5 years now, good tyres and at around £98 per corner excellent value.
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Goodyear eagle f1 or michelin pilot sport 3 are the best tyres ive owned i have toyo t1 proxes sport and i dont rate them at all compared to the michelins or goodyears but i dont know if thats due to tyres being 215 stretched on 8.5 j
Been using Toyo T1 for 5.5 years now, good tyres and at around £98 per corner excellent value.
I have the T1 Proxes Sport on all 4 corners and never had a problem with them. Always given excellent grip and was even good on the snow.
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I had first had Toyo's on my 205 Gti and then on my MK3 Golf GTi.
I thought they were good, but I seem to think have seen people say on here that the road tyres went up to much compared to the semi slick options? Tony Danza maybe has experience of them?
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Goodyear F1v2 are superb. Plenty enough grip for enthusiastic road use. I can't comment on how they behave on track.
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Another vote for GY F1 ASY2, but I've not tried them in 18", only 17".
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F1 v2's on the rear
R1R's on the front - They are a superb tyre for the road and are amazing in the wet contrary to popular belief. ( below approx 5 DegC they do not perform as well in the wet though) I love them and the turn in and steering response is far better than any other tyre i have tried. The F1's are nearly as good in the bends and for turn in but not as good at getting the power down.
The R1R's are only an 88 rating so this may be an issue in the event of an insurance claim? But they are constructed for motorsport so i have no worries about them on a mk5 platform.
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Another vote for F1 V2's here :happy2:
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Jon would you have assy v2 rear 888 front if it wasnt for the wet weather?
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
The F1 v2 are great in a corner and quiet which is why i chose them for the rear. Most of the tyre noise i find comes from the rear.
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
....Doesn't your ESP kick in more often when you mix tyres?
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
The F1 v2 are great in a corner and quiet which is why i chose them for the rear. Most of the tyre noise i find comes from the rear.
Out of curiousity through what ambient air / road / tyre temperatures have you run this combo? I've used 888s on a couple of car, both on road and track, and my worry would be that although acceptably well matched for grip at low to moderate temperatures, when the more track orientated rubber gets properly up to working temperature and gains significant grip, the road tyre will start to lose it.
On a side note, any idea what the tfsi is like for oil surge? On track I've known folk swap to 888s / track orientated rubber, and have issues with oil starvation in other vehicles.
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
....Doesn't your ESP kick in more often when you mix tyres?
There is a very nice ballance for my driving style withe the tyre combo i have at the moment and my ESP doesnt kick in.
A poor match of tyres could well be dangerous i guess, especially if pushing on
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
The F1 v2 are great in a corner and quiet which is why i chose them for the rear. Most of the tyre noise i find comes from the rear.
Out of curiousity through what ambient air / road / tyre temperatures have you run this combo? I've used 888s on a couple of car, both on road and track, and my worry would be that although acceptably well matched for grip at low to moderate temperatures, when the more track orientated rubber gets properly up to working temperature and gains significant grip, the road tyre will start to lose it.
On a side note, any idea what the tfsi is like for oil surge? On track I've known folk swap to 888s / track orientated rubber, and have issues with oil starvation in other vehicles.
Very good point, the car is very predictable so far this year. i had R1R's on the front last year all summer and autumn and they were predictable also. This was with Nexen's on the rear (no i didnt choose them they were free with the wheels)
On the track there could well be issues with mixing track and road tyres.
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How much better are R1R in the wet than R888? Im considering swapping them round to see how it behaves
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Try Avon ZZ5, they are superb. Asymmetric tyre, and currently running on my Megane R26. Just scrubbed in they have huge grip in wet and dry, longevity is supposed to be good also.
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Because Im thinking of changing the GTI I wanted some reasonably priced but decent tyres a mate of mine works for a tyre retailer and recommended Cooper so had them fitted. Im impressed better than the previous Dunlops, very quiet, good in the wet no squealing when cornering and so far the wear rate seems good and at £70 each fitted a bit of a bargain
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Because Im thinking of changing the GTI I wanted some reasonably priced but decent tyres a mate of mine works for a tyre retailer and recommended Cooper so had them fitted. Im impressed better than the previous Dunlops, very quiet, good in the wet no squealing when cornering and so far the wear rate seems good and at £70 each fitted a bit of a bargain
doesnt take much to be better than the dunlops :surprised:
currently running ps3's. quite impressed... :smiley:
although I am tempted to switch to my 19" eagle f1 assyms for summer.... tried and tested :happy2:
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FWIW - Anything would have been better than the budget tyres that were on my car when I bought it. I think they were made of bakelite. But I replaced them with Michelin Pilot Sport 3s, (on 18") which are amazingly grippy in wet or dry. My ESP light used to go into overdrive whenever there was a cloud in the sky, but now I can't remember when I last saw it!
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My ESP light used to go into overdrive whenever there was a cloud in the sky, but now I can't remember when I last saw it!
:signLOL: - Great wordsmithing! :congrats:
I just don't understand anyone who skimps on tyres or who doesn't keep them properly inflated or wears them down to the canvas [/rant]
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What stage 2+ are we talking of here? K03 or K04? as that has a very large bearing on what tyre i would choose.
If its just 280hp in a K03 i think you will be best going for something like the Conti5 or Eagle F1 V2. If its 340Hp then IMO you need to be looking into semi slicks.
The R1Rs or Federal 595RSRs might be a good starting point if your a K04. IMO these are placed somewhere between a semi slick and a high performance road tyre
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ko4 running about 330bhp i think, hence why was very tempted by the R1R's or Federals, just uneasy about load rating not being correct.
the jon tfsi combo sounds interesting but again, not sure i would be confident mixing.
just wish michelin would pull there finger out and make the PSS for the EU market in 225/40/18
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I heard they were due out any time. It might be worth hanging on for them if you can wait?
They are classed as a summer tyre and michelin want good reviews so they are probably waiting for summer to release them maybe.
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What stage 2+ are we talking of here? K03 or K04? as that has a very large bearing on what tyre i would choose.
If its just 280hp in a K03 i think you will be best going for something like the Conti5 or Eagle F1 V2. If its 340Hp then IMO you need to be looking into semi slicks.
....A very good and fundamental point :happy2: And one which I had forgotten to consider in offering my advice :ashamed:
~270 bhp on a K03 Stage 2 with Eagle F1 V2 asymmetrics is indeed a very well balanced combo, even on a wet or dry trackday (assuming you just want to enjoy some fast enthusiastic motoring, like wot I do, but without trying to break any lap times).
At a very wet trackday at Spa I had an instructor in my passenger seat some of the time and he said I was the only guy who had chosen the right tyres - But he didn't know that they were the only tyres I had! - Eagle F1 V1's.
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Just ordered some Goodyear asymmetric f1 (v2) for the fronts on the back of some recommendations from you guys. Not tried them before so it will be interesting to see how they compare. :happy2:
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Just ordered some Goodyear asymmetric f1 (v2) for the fronts on the back of some recommendations from you guys. Not tried them before so it will be interesting to see how they compare. :happy2:
....But if your car is FWD put the new (deeper tread) F1 v2's on the rear axle. The reasons why have been discussed at length on the forum. :happy2:
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Just ordered some Goodyear asymmetric f1 (v2) for the fronts on the back of some recommendations from you guys. Not tried them before so it will be interesting to see how they compare. :happy2:
....But if your car is FWD put the new (deeper tread) F1 v2's on the rear axle. The reasons why have been discussed at length on the forum. :happy2:
Right I'll do a search. I thought BECAUSE it's fwd to put them on the fronts.
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Just ordered some Goodyear asymmetric f1 (v2) for the fronts on the back of some recommendations from you guys. Not tried them before so it will be interesting to see how they compare. :happy2:
....But if your car is FWD put the new (deeper tread) F1 v2's on the rear axle. The reasons why have been discussed at length on the forum. :happy2:
Right I'll do a search. I thought BECAUSE it's fwd to put them on the fronts.
I asked this a while ago and someone posted a vid from youtube with VBH showing why, I'll try and find it and link to it
Found it
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Very informative thanks. :happy2:
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So I'll move the rears forward and put the new ones on the rear. Cheers.
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
....Doesn't your ESP kick in more often when you mix tyres?
Mine did Robin. I had Vred Setantras on the back and Pirelli P Zero Rosso assymetrics on the front, and the ESP was always flickering on. Since I've had the Pirelli's all round, I see the ESP a lot less.
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
....Doesn't your ESP kick in more often when you mix tyres?
Mine did Robin. I had Vred Setantras on the back and Pirelli P Zero Rosso assymetrics on the back, and the ESP was always flickering on. Since I've had the Pirelli's all round, I see the ESP a lot less.
I would have changed all four but my rears are like new and my fronts have a few mm so I thought I'd just get two. Didn't think it would matter. What do I know :ashamed:
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
....Doesn't your ESP kick in more often when you mix tyres?
Mine did Robin. I had Vred Setantras on the back and Pirelli P Zero Rosso assymetrics on the back, and the ESP was always flickering on. Since I've had the Pirelli's all round, I see the ESP a lot less.
I would have changed all four but my rears are like new and my fronts have a few mm so I thought I'd just get two. Didn't think it would matter. What do I know :ashamed:
I know how you feel Iain, I couldn't justify buying 4 new tyres when 2 still had tread left, but having 4 all the same with about 5k on the front and brand new on the back has made a massive difference, compared to the 6 months of mixed tyres.
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Some are sticklers for same tyres front and rear but not me. If it works for you why not?
....Doesn't your ESP kick in more often when you mix tyres?
Mine did Robin. I had Vred Setantras on the back and Pirelli P Zero Rosso assymetrics on the front, and the ESP was always flickering on. Since I've had the Pirelli's all round, I see the ESP a lot less.
....I had a particularly spirited drive today on a local B-road and noticed several times that the ESP kicked in just for a very short split second each time. I think it was because I still have Dunlop Maxx TT's on the front and (new) Eagle F1 v2's on the back.
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....I had a particularly spirited drive today on a local B-road and noticed several times that the ESP kicked in just for a very short split second each time. I think it was because I still have Dunlop Maxx TT's on the front and (new) Eagle F1 v2's on the back.
Ditto with F1 Aysm on the front, Asym2 on the rear. Very noticeable if pressing on and surprisingly evident even at moderate speeds. I found I had to turn the ESP off, as the intervention of ESP was very unsettling. Matching asym2 front and rear and no problem at all.
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kingpin remoulds :driver: :driver: :grin:
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Ditto with F1 Aysm on the front, Asym2 on the rear. Very noticeable if pressing on and surprisingly evident even at moderate speeds. I found I had to turn the ESP off, as the intervention of ESP was very unsettling. Matching asym2 front and rear and no problem at all.
....That strongly suggests that there is quite a difference apart from just tread pattern between the F1 Asym1's and Asym2's.
Believe me, you would not want to drive the B coast road I was on without ESP! I just ignore and drive through the ESP hiccups - It seems to work on my setup.
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Ditto with F1 Aysm on the front, Asym2 on the rear. Very noticeable if pressing on and surprisingly evident even at moderate speeds. I found I had to turn the ESP off, as the intervention of ESP was very unsettling. Matching asym2 front and rear and no problem at all.
....That strongly suggests that there is quite a difference apart from just tread pattern between the F1 Asym1's and Asym2's.
Believe me, you would not want to drive the B coast road I was on without ESP! I just ignore and drive through the ESP hiccups - It seems to work on my setup.
The ESP in my situation was spitting its dummy out for no good reason at times - only moderate cornering loads caused it to kick up a fuss. I forgot to turn it off driving on a lovely twisty road in proximity to the N-ring, and the first time it kicked in was when trail braking into a corner. Most unnecessary and resulted in a quick press of the ESP button to restore enjoyment to the drive - I was making progress, but not being reckless. There wasn't a hint of noise from the tyres, it just seems the slip angles of the asym1 vs asym2 are sufficiently different to confuse the ESP.
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I notice that Sticky Vicky is advising us to put new tyres on the back of a rear wheel drive car too. Yes, Vicky, I'll do anything you want :love: :notworthy:
Excellent demo vid - Says it all. :happy2:
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I just bought two Eagle F1 2's off Camskill to replace my noisy and not-so-great Potenza's... ordered them yesterday at 12.30pm and that's them just arrived :pomppomp:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FEagleF1_Asym2_1503.jpg&hash=4c1e31ee18f87ac27c50b2f6d8126ec3b1e79aeb)
^ Definitely regarded as one of the very best road tyres for the Mk5 GTI. We need to realise that although generic in design, different tyres can suit various cars to different degrees.
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I don't reckon there is much differene between putting them on the front or rear to me that video looked like she took her foot off the accelerator as soon as it started to understeer and it looked like she kept her foot down and didn't try to do anything with the steering wheel to keep the back in check obviously to prove a point