MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Slip n slide....
Post by: Bazgti on April 23, 2012, 08:36:25 pm
Hi Guys,

I see a lot of people on here running major power n mods a plenty but not much on getting the power down.

Im running stage 2 Revo with full turbo back and up until a week ago i had vreds which were pants to be fair so iv gone for Dunlop Sport Maxxs as i had them on my Anni n were fine. However im finding these equally crap at getting the power down.

Does anybody know of any mods that could combat this other than a diff as the pennies wont stretch at the mo.

Ohhhh and im on FK coileys.

Taaaaa
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: sub39h on April 23, 2012, 08:44:06 pm
Whiteline anti lift kit or TT wishbones (or better tyres)

Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: Tamiyoman on April 23, 2012, 08:47:20 pm
Whiteline anti lift kit or TT wishbones (or better tyres)



Or a 4wd conversion  :happy2:
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: rich83 on April 23, 2012, 08:47:35 pm
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-2.htm

Say no more!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: RedRobin on April 23, 2012, 08:48:52 pm
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If you are running a K03 GTI rather than a K04 Ed30, you have a very similar spec to me: Revo Stage 2, Milltek TBE, Goodyear Asymmetric F1's on rear axle and Dunlop Sport Maxx on front until replaced by the GY F1's.

But the mods which result in me rarely getting wheelspin are:

- How I use my right foot (always progressively).

- Fast-road engine mounts, especially the lower mount, which greatly reduce engine movement.

- Anti Lift Kit, aka WALK (check john_o's excellent review).

- Quaife diff.

- KW V3 coilovers.

- ARB's.

^ The list is not in order of importance or effectiveness.

I'm plotting nearly 270 bhp on JKM's Dyno-Dynamics rollers - It's not mega power but my car is very well balanced indeed.
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: sub39h on April 23, 2012, 08:59:48 pm
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If you are running a K03 GTI rather than a K04 Ed30, you have a very similar spec to me: Revo Stage 2, Milltek TBE, Goodyear Asymmetric F1's on rear axle and Dunlop Sport Maxx on front until replaced by the GY F1's.

But the mods which result in me rarely getting wheelspin are:

- How I use my right foot (always progressively).

- Fast-road engine mounts, especially the lower mount, which greatly reduce engine movement.

- Anti Lift Kit, aka WALK (check john_o's excellent review).

- Quaife diff.

- KW V3 coilovers.

- ARB's.

^ The list is not in order of importance or effectiveness.

I'm plotting nearly 270 bhp on JKM's Dyno-Dynamics rollers - It's not mega power but my car is very well balanced indeed.

did you used to have more power RR? i thought you had a 400bhp BT for some reason
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: RedRobin on April 23, 2012, 09:02:58 pm

did you used to have more power RR? i thought you had a 400bhp BT for some reason


....Perhaps I sometimes drive as if I had a 400 bhp BT!! But no, never had that kind of power on my GTI.
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: Bazgti on April 23, 2012, 10:13:57 pm
Thanks Robin! Spot on jus the info i needed.... :happy2:
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: R32UK on April 23, 2012, 11:36:18 pm
the dunflops are far the worst tyre I have ever run on a golf... as above switch to the Goodyears/ps3's and notice the difference immediately  :driver:
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: fab5freddy on April 23, 2012, 11:42:04 pm
the dunflops are far the worst tyre I have ever run on a golf... as above switch to the Goodyears/ps3's and notice the difference immediately  :driver:

This   Dunlops= :sick:  Goodyears=  :driver:
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on April 24, 2012, 07:01:32 am
the dunflops are far the worst tyre I have ever run on a golf... as above switch to the Goodyears/ps3's and notice the difference immediately  :driver:

This   Dunlops= :sick:  Goodyears=  :driver:

X2

The Dunlops sound like your driving a road roller  :grin: rumble rumble rumble
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: john87 on April 24, 2012, 12:06:43 pm
the dunflops are far the worst tyre I have ever run on a golf... as above switch to the Goodyears/ps3's and notice the difference immediately  :driver:

This   Dunlops= :sick:  Goodyears=  :driver:

X2

The Dunlops sound like your driving a road roller  :grin: rumble rumble rumble

I found the same with Bridgestone Potenza's = hellish road noise on half tread  :fighting:
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: alackofspeed on April 24, 2012, 07:56:30 pm
the dunflops are far the worst tyre I have ever run on a golf... as above switch to the Goodyears/ps3's and notice the difference immediately  :driver:

This   Dunlops= :sick:  Goodyears=  :driver:

I'm not questioning the ratings of Dunlop / Goodyear (never had Dunlops), but it's odd that the same company can produce "high performance" tyres that are rated so differently.
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: Jimbo_h on April 24, 2012, 09:11:59 pm
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If you are running a K03 GTI rather than a K04 Ed30, you have a very similar spec to me: Revo Stage 2, Milltek TBE, Goodyear Asymmetric F1's on rear axle and Dunlop Sport Maxx on front until replaced by the GY F1's.

But the mods which result in me rarely getting wheelspin are:

- How I use my right foot (always progressively).

- Fast-road engine mounts, especially the lower mount, which greatly reduce engine movement.

- Anti Lift Kit, aka WALK (check john_o's excellent review).

- Quaife diff.

- KW V3 coilovers.

- ARB's.

^ The list is not in order of importance or effectiveness.

I'm plotting nearly 270 bhp on JKM's Dyno-Dynamics rollers - It's not mega power but my car is very well balanced indeed.

Red if you were to rate your handling mods what would you give each one. 10 being the highest, 1 lowest. In both absolute peformance and smiles per £ ie the V3s 10/7, 10 'cos their suberb, 7 'cos they cost a bit. Interested as all I'm trying to improve right now is the handling. ta
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: RedRobin on April 24, 2012, 10:23:04 pm

Red if you were to rate your handling mods what would you give each one. 10 being the highest, 1 lowest. In both absolute peformance and smiles per £ ie the V3s 10/7, 10 'cos their suberb, 7 'cos they cost a bit. Interested as all I'm trying to improve right now is the handling. ta


....That's a difficult question to answer because they all work best together as a whole.

- Anti Roll Bars deliver the most smiles for the least amount of money.

- Coilovers, whether KW or Bilstein, better handle the forces which the suspension is subjected to when driven enthusiastically.

- The Quaife is probably the most desirable. VW now include an 'electronic' diff and thereby acknowledge the need for one.

- Engine mounts make all the difference to transferring the power.

^ That's the order in which I modded but nothing was pre-planned.


Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: vRSAlex on April 24, 2012, 10:28:45 pm
The electronic diff is just the abs applying the front brakes when it notices a difference in wheel speed between the front wheels.  Works well for what it is, but will cook the brakes on a track day.

The old version on the mk5 is called edl, and the slightly better version as fitted to the mk6 is called xds.
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: Jimbo_h on April 24, 2012, 10:36:23 pm

Red if you were to rate your handling mods what would you give each one. 10 being the highest, 1 lowest. In both absolute peformance and smiles per £ ie the V3s 10/7, 10 'cos their suberb, 7 'cos they cost a bit. Interested as all I'm trying to improve right now is the handling. ta


....That's a difficult question to answer because they all work best together as a whole.

- Anti Roll Bars deliver the most smiles for the least amount of money.

- Coilovers, whether KW or Bilstein, better handle the forces which the suspension is subjected to when driven enthusiastically.

- The Quaife is probably the most desirable. VW now include an 'electronic' diff and thereby acknowledge the need for one.

- Engine mounts make all the difference to transferring the power.

^ That's the order in which I modded but nothing was pre-planned.



ok, thanks for the reply. Have you got front and rear ARBs?
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: RedRobin on April 24, 2012, 10:37:39 pm

The electronic diff is just the abs applying the front brakes when it notices a difference in wheel speed between the front wheels.  Works well for what it is, but will cook the brakes on a track day.

The old version on the mk5 is called edl, and the slightly better version as fitted to the mk6 is called xds.


....Which is why I much prefer a mechanical diff such as the Quaife. The feel of it in action is much more confidence inspiring as well.
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: RedRobin on April 24, 2012, 10:38:46 pm

ok, thanks for the reply. Have you got front and rear ARBs?


....Yes. Both Eibach since 2006. There are more choices nowadays.
Title: Re: Slip n slide....
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 24, 2012, 10:54:22 pm
If i was to get a Mk5 Platform car again i think i would mod mine in a completely different order to how i did it before.

TT Lower control arms
Front and rear ARBs
LSD
Engine mounts
DaveB NQSBBK or maybethe bigger brother 350mm option
Bilstein B12 suspension (Maybe AST or B16 Coilovers, but wouldnt put anything else on it)
Poly bushes
Full Geo setup from someone like Wheels in Motion or CenterGravity. 

That would make for a awesome road and track car.