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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: JackG on April 25, 2012, 11:04:16 pm
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Again I've fallen for another car....not a GTR this time as it's a no go with costs etc
Merc C63 AMG this time, decent spec ones are 32/37 K at the moment, running costs? Had a word with merc and It was less than I thought, has anyone got any advice and knowledge on them? lots of car for the money, would one have the legs on my 2+ Eddie :ashamed:
Cheers guys
Jack
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Again I've fallen for another car....not a GTR this time as it's a no go with costs etc
Merc C63 AMG this time, decent spec ones are 32/37 K at the moment, running costs? Had a word with merc and It was less than I thought, has anyone got any advice and knowledge on them? lots of car for the money, would one have the legs on my 2+ Eddie :ashamed:
Cheers guys
Jack
standard 457bhp? i think it might trounce your Eddy. i dunno if i'd swap tho. noise would be epic, but in the snow even after a mild drizzle they're meant to be totally undriveable
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A friend has one and although he states its wild and bags of fun... its just a little too unusable unless the conditions are perfect and even then its a handfull. Noise is immense as expected.... he prefered his m5. :smiley:
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I think any car above 350 bhp is a handful tho especially in the wet! M5 is big bucks and running costs of one wouldn't even be funny :rolleye:
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I think any car above 350 bhp is a handful tho especially in the wet! M5 is big bucks and running costs of one wouldn't even be funny :rolleye:
very true... his exact words were "do not buy an M5 out of warranty!"
they like to chew up gears and spit them out :party:
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As much as I love the C63 I still think I'd buy an M3 over it. £32k buys a very nice one too!
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3847478.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3847478.htm)
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Top gear review is a bit 50/50
The Mercedes C63 AMG is an extreme prejudice answer to BMW’s M3 that leaves all-comers in its substantial wake. You get out of this 456bhp, RWD monster with sweaty palms and a stupid grin on your face, but it’s a bit hardcore for everyday use.
Comfort
The seats are huge batwing-style racy things that are horrible to get into, but once you're there, hug you like a desperate housewife. After that, things get a little less comfy; the engine is super loud (but that's a good thing most of the time), the suspension will blur your vision and there's precious little ‘sneeze factor' in the steering.
Performance
There's nothing like it in this sector. That's one mother of an engine shoehorned into the engine bay of a C-class; 6208cc of V8 with 457bhp and enough torque to pull down cities. You better be in something substantial to beat it in the speed stakes too, because 0-62mph takes just 5.2 seconds and it'll hit the 155mph limiter hard and quickly. And then there's the noise...
Cool
Self-flagellation is extremely trendy in some circles. Gets respect just by the strength of your commitment.
Quality
Built like a brick outhouse, though fairly focused when all's said and done. Nice materials and proper build quality help this feel like it'll do nasty things to road surfaces all day long.
Handling
The C63 AMG feels like an old-school DTM car. That equates to millimetric steering, super-hard and very sticky; on a smooth road. Get off the beaten track and you're looking at being bounced into the nearest solid object - ‘uncompromising' doesn't really cover it.
Practicality
It's a C-class, so you get a generous 475-litre boot and the associated C-class practicality, but your kids won't thank you for it when you use the available performance. And you will.
Running costs
We don't even know how much C02 this thing produces because we're too stunned by the running costs; group 20 insurance, max tax, max everything. And on a recent test, Top Gear recorded 5mpg. Yes, that's right 5mpg - it is quoted as getting 21. Hmmmm.
But then every car of this type wil have horrendous running costs.
BUt look at it :party: :party:
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I prefer the Lexus IS-F and Jaguar XFR. Similar costs as well
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The E90 X M3 personally isn't in the same boat, the merc has more power and was faster around the track than the M3...I do like the M3 but again it's running costs, I called up Mercedes and I was shocked about the price of serving etc was very cheap for the car and as always there will be a Indy garage that has a ex merc master tech who knows his stuff, the merc looks so special :driver:
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Evo VIII / IX
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I looked at getting one of these before I got my VXR8. My VXR8 is running at 472bhp at the moment and can keep up with C63's no problem but I haven't owned one so can't say much but I think my car is pretty similar even though I would still say the C63 is in another league on quality etc. I get 6mpg driving normal around town, 14mpg if I'm being extremely careful with fuel, 15-19mpg when down a long motorway run driving normal & have seen figures of upto 25mpg when being careful on motorway journeys. I use mine through winter no problem, just put it into manual mode in snow and ice but it's not the same as actually driving in a manual of course. When it's wet or snowy the back end does kick out sometimes on normal driving but TC kicks in n soon stops it so I've never had any problems or near misses.
One thing that I wanted mainly when i bought mine was a fast car but for decent money. It's standard figures are 412bhp, 0-62 in 4.9s, top speed is 155mph limited. The current figures are 472bhp, 1/4 mile in 13.8s and approximately 4.6 for 0-62 and over 175mph. To buy mine would cost £16,500 now and is pretty cheap to service compared to the BMW n Merc equivalents.
I've personally seen less VXR8's upto now than GTR's, M5's or C63's but that's what I prefer, the LESS common cars, even though 2 of the above aren't exactly common in my eyes.
Just my opinions & experiences :)
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I was told by Audi when i was looking at an RS4 that the servicing is very similar in price to other Audis but then when you have to have new replacement bits like discs and pads is when you really PAY !
Suspect the C63 is the same until you need new stuff like discs etc
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These are quick remaped watched moscow unlimited 500+ while ago were beating lambos m6's etc easily at 100+ speeds evotec map iirc
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These are quick remaped watched moscow unlimited 500+ while ago were beating lambos m6's etc easily at 100+ speeds evotec map iirc
That was my next question! tuning the beasts! I'd imagine 500 BHP isn't har :party:
d to get
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The E90 X M3 personally isn't in the same boat, the merc has more power and was faster around the track than the M3...I do like the M3 but again it's running costs, I called up Mercedes and I was shocked about the price of serving etc was very cheap for the car and as always there will be a Indy garage that has a ex merc master tech who knows his stuff, the merc looks so special :driver:
Surely you don't believe a C63 is cheaper to run than an M3?
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I was told by Audi when i was looking at an RS4 that the servicing is very similar in price to other Audis but then when you have to have new replacement bits like discs and pads is when you really PAY !
Suspect the C63 is the same until you need new stuff like discs etc
front pads 330 and front pads and discs are roughly 500, I did ask the question :drinking:
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My mate has one, My S3 (Stage 2+) beats it to 80 just but after that its pulls lengths on the S3. I would swap mine for one any day its a great car to drive & the noise is something else.
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Again I've fallen for another car....not a GTR this time as it's a no go with costs etc
Merc C63 AMG this time, decent spec ones are 32/37 K at the moment, running costs? Had a word with merc and It was less than I thought, has anyone got any advice and knowledge on them? lots of car for the money, would one have the legs on my 2+ Eddie :ashamed:
Cheers guys
Jack
A DSG Stage 2+ Eddie will keep tabs with a stock C63 to around triple figures mate, but that is where the similarities will end unfortunately :sad1: Anyone who expects otherwise would want taking away by men in White coats. :rolleye: Totally different class of car..
My old man has a fully loaded coupe arriving in July (complete with PP) and I am heading over to Germany to collect it with him :jumpmove: Awesome car, with awesome potential. You just need to have very deep pockets to run one and regards a 2nd hand example, early teens mpg, rear boots lasting single figures and garage bills being generally over 4 figures would make me look elsewhere tbh. M3 will be a much more balanced car and will only lose out to the Merc in a straight line drag..
One thing that I wanted mainly when i bought mine was a fast car but for decent money. It's standard figures are 412bhp, 0-62 in 4.9s, top speed is 155mph limited. The current figures are 472bhp, 1/4 mile in 13.8s and approximately 4.6 for 0-62 and over 175mph. To buy mine would cost £16,500 now and is pretty cheap to service compared to the BMW n Merc equivalents.
If you're VXR8 is doing a 13.8 1/4, then it's a fair way off the pace of a C63 chap. They will run 12's all day long without breaking a sweat.
I do agree that the VXR8's are getting silly cheap now though. I saw a 630bhp S/C'd monster in the classifieds the other month for about £17k!!! :surprised: :rolleye: Heaven knows what it would do to the gallon though :scared:
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We've got an 08 plate coming in for a full Exhaust system in 3 weeks time - should be amazing :happy2:
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I will do some bits and bobs to it :jumping: I wanted a M3 before but running costs age to costly for me, valve clearance and vanos faults and brakes etc is a big cost, I did check up on the merc and it I cheaper than the M3 from what I've found, I don't expect any performance car to b cheap to run :popcornsoda:
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C63 AMG Coupe, and the BMW M3. Both awesome cars. I wouldn't be able to decide between them TBH!
Always had a soft spot for the M3, but the C63 AMG Coupe looks awesome!
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Buy an M3 with a 2 year approved used warranty from a dealer, then it's roughly £700 p/a to extend the fully comp zero excess. The warranty is bomb proof, not like the kind of resistance you get with VAG.
A few of my mates have M3s, I don't know of one that's had any warranty work. I wouldn't believe everything you read on the internet, likewise its running costs.
That said, a few workmates have C63s after they accidentally appeared on the company car list. They are staggeringly good cars. You'd be happy with either, but need deeper pockets for the latter IMO.
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If you're VXR8 is doing a 13.8 1/4, then it's a fair way off the pace of a C63 chap. They will run 12's all day long without breaking a sweat.
I do agree that the VXR8's are getting silly cheap now though. I saw a 630bhp S/C'd monster in the classifieds the other month for about £17k!!! :surprised: :rolleye: Heaven knows what it would do to the gallon though :scared:
The fastest I have got at Santa Pod is 13.8s but with me only having one leg I have to keep my foot on the brake until the green light shows otherwise the car rolls forward and breaks the beam so it comes up as a false start. With this I obviously had very bad starts with 0.92s reaction time being the best I got.
With my brother driving it on the same day he got a fastest time of 12.6s 1/4 mile and a reaction time of 0.3s but I don't bother telling people that's how quick it did because that's not with me driving. On the strip that same day someone had a C63 AMG saloon and the quickest he got was 12.3s 1/4 mile with a reaction time of something like 0.36s which to me says they are pretty similar on performance. The C63 is around 100kg lighter IIRC but just under 25bhp less power too.
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Still wouldn't be as quick as a Megane :innocent:
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or the seat super car :laugh: unless you also get a super dooper home made intake
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don't know why you guys just don't buy the meg, seem to mention it enough :happy2:
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Still wouldn't be as quick as a Megane :innocent:
Never fail to make me laugh :love:
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don't know why you guys just don't buy the meg, seem to mention it enough :happy2:
Me thinks someone has the Sarcasm filter on :smiley:
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don't know why you guys just don't buy the meg, seem to mention it enough :happy2:
Me thinks someone has the Sarcasm filter on :smiley:
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Amazing noise, very quick, bland interior and awful on fuel. But bloody good fun!. We had one in at work and I averaged 15mpg or something, it just sounds so good when you boot it! I would imagine running costs fairly similar to my old RS4 - reasonable servicing, brakes etc are expensive, and go through tyres very quickly :laugh: I wouldn't want one without a Mercedes warranty.
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Ive just a had a look at the prices of the V10 BMW M5s on autotrader
:surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/bmw/m5/postcode/ng95gx/radius/1500/sort/default/engine-size-cars/5lplus (http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/bmw/m5/postcode/ng95gx/radius/1500/sort/default/engine-size-cars/5lplus)
That is one hell of alot of car for the money. How reliable and cheap to run are these?
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From what I've read they're very, very expensive to run.
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Isn't that the version that Clarkson said when you press the M Button it becomes that brutal it hoovers small children from the pavement and spits them out the exhaust :grin:
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I will do some bits and bobs to it :jumping: I wanted a M3 before but running costs age to costly for me, valve clearance and vanos faults and brakes etc is a big cost, I did check up on the merc and it I cheaper than the M3 from what I've found, I don't expect any performance car to b cheap to run :popcornsoda:
Valve clearances don't need doing on the e9x m3 to my knowledge, but did on the e46, likewise vanos hasn't been a major issue since the e36, sure some e46s had problems but nothing like as widespread and not heard of any widespread issues on the e9x either.
M3 isn't slower than a C63 on track normally, though it is quicker in a straight line I'd say.
Nurburgring C63: 8:13 E92 M3: 8:05
Top Gear Track M3 is quicker than the C63 Black never mind the normal version
I don't think M3 running costs are as high as you say, no longer have the old inspection 1, inspection 2 stuff like you did on the e46s.
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A 2* Eddie can hold the M3 at bay tho but not a c63 from what I've heard,m3 just doesn't seem as....cool
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Looks like the M3 handles better :signLOL:
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M3 precision tool, c63 sledge hammer, pays your money and take your choice, you wouldn't go far wrong with either :happy2:
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Wouldn't go as far as saying M3 isn't on C63 levels, it definitely is. C63 will be faster acceleration and braking too but everywhere else the M3 will be quicker. Considerably cheaper too. The M3 is a proper tool, C63 is more a weapon. It's your money so your choice. C63 is a beautiful car and I'd love one but I'd poss get an M3 and go Amuse on it :notworthy:
Search Amuse M3 on google
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I don't really see the point Jack, your ED30 is a great all rounder! Save the money towards a house, or house improvements :happy2:
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I echo what others have said RE the M3...as with any car if you find yourself a decent indy then maintenance costs are very reasonable! Drive both, see which gets your heart pumping the most, then buy that one immediately :driver: :driver:
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I don't really see the point Jack, your ED30 is a great all rounder! Save the money towards a house, or house improvements :happy2:
Wise words George :congrats: I've just lost my mum so feel I need a prezzie tho :sad1:
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I don't really see the point Jack, your ED30 is a great all rounder! Save the money towards a house, or house improvements :happy2:
Apart from a track, when are you gonna be able to p use all the extra grunt, as your ed30 will be quicker to a ton than the c63 would be able to get traction!!
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I don't really see the point Jack, your ED30 is a great all rounder! Save the money towards a house, or house improvements :happy2:
Apart from a track, when are you gonna be able to p use all the extra grunt, as your ed30 will be quicker to a ton than the c63 would be able to get traction!!
That's what I want tho as silly as it is....like on forza when you go OTT on a porka and it spins into 6th :signLOL:
I want a real animal that bites back, the eddie is great but I feel like I want some luxury
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you want the feeling of a fighter jet whilst sitting in a lazy boy arm chair :grin:
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I don't really see the point Jack, your ED30 is a great all rounder! Save the money towards a house, or house improvements :happy2:
Apart from a track, when are you gonna be able to p use all the extra grunt, as your ed30 will be quicker to a ton than the c63 would be able to get traction!!
That's what I want tho as silly as it is....like on forza when you go OTT on a porka and it spins into 6th :signLOL:
I want a real animal that bites back, the eddie is great but I feel like I want some luxury
I also know 3 people that own them ( all from Southampton FC) and all have said, it's completely bonkers to own, but as they don't have to pay anything of the cars running costs, except fuel, each have said, you need an endless pot of money if you wanted one
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Ive just a had a look at the prices of the V10 BMW M5s on autotrader
:surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/bmw/m5/postcode/ng95gx/radius/1500/sort/default/engine-size-cars/5lplus (http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/bmw/m5/postcode/ng95gx/radius/1500/sort/default/engine-size-cars/5lplus)
That is one hell of alot of car for the money. How reliable and cheap to run are these?
They are fairly reliable if they have been looked after... but as said you wouldnt want one without warranty to start with. My mates was in numerous times with gearbox problems, all thankfully covered. Putting 500+ bhp through anything is going to take its strain. Great fun though with hugging seats and head up display :driver:
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Whats the most reliable and cheapest to run super saloon then
Jag XFR
M5
IS-F
Merc AMG
RS6
S6
etc?
Once i hit my midlife crisis i will be doing this for a year just to tick a box :grin:
Been looking at A8 4.2TDI quattros to have as my main car recently. Mapped one of these would be immense
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I know my local pharmacist has a rs6 and has need a new turbo twice, the last time I spoke to him about a year ago. Recently seen him driving a a4 tdi a few times. I believe its a courtesy car :surprised:
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you want the feeling of a fighter jet whilst sitting in a lazy boy arm chair :grin:
On the dot :laugh:
The endless pot of money doesn't sound good tho
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Get a m3 & supercharge it,not much can touch you then..I've got a e46 m3 supercharged,I only use it on my days off or weekends..it blows most cars away...Call Simpson Motorsport & ask for julien or Anthony,these two know there sh@t when supercharging m3s...
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yeah boi
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Whats a supercharged M3 put out power wise?
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Not an m5 anyway i was so close to buying one before the rs, but running costs are crazy and if that overly complicated box goes, you need a big service, discs pads and tyres say bye bye to a years wages !
Saying that they are epic, and the only car id have out of that list ( and the rs6 ) i just wish they built a manual for it !
Even though companys like vw make great auto boxes nowadays, i still dont think any manufacturers are quite there yet, especially in terms of reliability !
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Whats a supercharged M3 put out power wise?
My e46 m3 was dynoed at 495bhp & 390lbft..A e90 m3 will push out around 600bhp depending on what spec charger..would love to post a pic up but I'm not good with computers..if anyone will kindly give me there email ad I can send it to him to post up
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I know my local pharmacist has a rs6
Is that slang for drug dealer?
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I know my local pharmacist has a rs6
Is that slang for drug dealer?
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Completely agree about Simpsons, my race car lives there and they are great guys, very good at setup and engineering generally. Pretty sure they did an e92 at 640bhp.
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I know my local pharmacist has a rs6
Is that slang for drug dealer?
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he delivers to your door too! often see old biddies smashed off their faces poppin into the tesco express for munchies :drool:
A friend has a modded m3, although I couldnt tell you the route he went down he estimates power at around 580bhp. His concern seemed to be the cost of tyres :stupid:
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I know my local pharmacist has a rs6
Is that slang for drug dealer?
:grin:
he delivers to your door too! often see old biddies smashed off their faces poppin into the tesco express for munchies :drool:
A friend has a modded m3, although I couldnt tell you the route he went down he estimates power at around 580bhp. His concern seemed to be the cost of tyres :stupid:
None of them are as good as an R32 tho right :signLOL:
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That is all........
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None of them are as good as an R32 tho right :signLOL:
keep up chap.. i have an ed30. :rolleye:
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RS 6 is immense, could never afford to run one tho
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RS 6 is immense, could never afford to run one tho
I dont think there is a huge difference in most of the running costs of these cars... what I would say is if you can afford it... DO IT! :evilgrin:
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RS 6 is immense, could never afford to run one tho
Get an S6 then. Much cheaper to buy and still 450 ponies after a remap...
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None of them are as good as an R32 tho right :signLOL:
keep up chap.. i have an ed30. :rolleye:
That much I know fella, but R32's are so quick :booty:
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:indifferent:
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None of them are as good as an R32 tho right :signLOL:
keep up chap.. i have an ed30. :rolleye:
That much I know fella, but R32's are so quick :booty:
erm yes.. keep up the trolling :drinking:
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E60 M5 is a great car (old man had one for 3 years) but let down by a horrific gearbox.. Although they are weapons power wise, the power isn't very usable due to high gearing and it's high revving nature. You can only enjoy the power legally in 2 gears before becoming on the wrong side of the law and there is another 5 gears left.. :confused:
Did someone mention S/C'd E9X M3's.... :drool:
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Completely agree about Simpsons, my race car lives there and they are great guys, very good at setup and engineering generally. Pretty sure they did an e92 at 640bhp.
What car yr got left at Simpsons mate??they have quite a few cars in there large garage..
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You can only enjoy the power legally in 2 gears before becoming on the wrong side of the law and there is another 5 gears left.. :confused:
:grin: :grin:
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You can only enjoy the power legally in 2 gears before becoming on the wrong side of the law and there is another 5 gears left.. :confused:
:grin: :grin:
:wink: :grin:
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Awesome video :driver:
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None of them are as good as an R32 tho right :signLOL:
keep up chap.. i have an ed30. :rolleye:
That much I know fella, but R32's are so quick :booty:
erm yes.. keep up the trolling :drinking:
What r32??skyline or golf??
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None of them are as good as an R32 tho right :signLOL:
keep up chap.. i have an ed30. :rolleye:
That much I know fella, but R32's are so quick :booty:
erm yes.. keep up the trolling :drinking:
What r32??skyline or golf??
refering to a modded v std approach. But we can always level the field a little stage 2 v stage 2 :P
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None of them are as good as an R32 tho right :signLOL:
keep up chap.. i have an ed30. :rolleye:
That much I know fella, but R32's are so quick :booty:
erm yes.. keep up the trolling :drinking:
What r32??skyline or golf??
refering to a modded v std approach. But we can always level the field a little stage 2 v stage 2 :P
Yes a Twin Turbo Stage 2 R32 will be quick (and sound good doing it) but there would also be a £5 - 6k price difference compared to stage 2 ED30 :grin:
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Completely agree about Simpsons, my race car lives there and they are great guys, very good at setup and engineering generally. Pretty sure they did an e92 at 640bhp.
What car yr got left at Simpsons mate??they have quite a few cars in there large garage..
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New MoTeC ECU on the way, manual box going in and new loom and it'll be ready to go again :happy2:
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Did u see the ascari they have there....and the f40
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Has depreciation been mentioned yet?
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You never mention the D word!!
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Has depreciation been mentioned yet?
Noooope...please don't :signLOL:
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It's a golf GTI forum, of course we can mention it... especially where ED30s are concerned :happy2:
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It's a golf GTI forum, of course we can mention it... especially where ED30s are concerned :happy2:
Ed30's have dropped in value £2.5K in 9 months........... oops :grin:
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I would have this, :drool:
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Did u see the ascari they have there....and the f40
F40s
4 last time I went. Tend to be there every couple of weeks so maybe see you there one day :happy2:
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M3 is 100% out of the question, doesn't seem as lively as the 63, I like the fact it's really tail happy due to it's stupid power, running costs do differ and from my research the M 3 does cost more, I love the E46 M3 and was going to buy one before eddie but I picked the Eddie due to tuning potential, I'd love the E90 M3 if it was a more of a looker, don't get me wrong it doesn't look cheap but the E46 M3 looks immense and you don't have to squint to see if it's a M car...that may just be me tho, the 63 looks immense! the sound too
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You don't have to justify it, your money - your choice :happy2:
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You don't have to justify it, your money - your choice :happy2:
Absolutely, but no way you would get me seen in an ol' man merc :signLOL:
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Jack, have you driven any of these cars? Surely that's the only way to form a meaningful opinion...
And as much as I love the C63, the M3 has won every group test I've read. Dynamically it is amazing. I drove one back-to-back with a 996 Turbo and thought the M3 was far far better.
So, drive an M3, then report back :happy2:
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Jack, have you driven any of these cars? Surely that's the only way to form a meaningful opinion...
And as much as I love the C63, the M3 has won every group test I've read. Dynamically it is amazing. I drove one back-to-back with a 996 Turbo and thought the M3 was far far better.
So, drive an M3, then report back :happy2:
As much as I love the C63 and it's bonkers attitude and rareness, I have to agree with Andrew.. Drive both before making any decisions..
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It's a golf GTI forum, of course we can mention it... especially where ED30s are concerned :happy2:
Ed30's have dropped in value £2.5K in 9 months........... oops :grin:
I just looked in autotrader & the ed30s Have not dropped much in price..
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You need an AMG CLK DTM in your life
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