MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Hogster on April 30, 2012, 05:03:36 pm
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Had a stage one celtic tuning map put on my Edition 30 a couple of months ago and have since added a Miltek TBE.
The car made 274bhp before the exhaust and while is feels much better now I was under the impression it would need a stage two now.
Having spoken to the 'technical' department at Celtic they tell me there is nothing more can be achieved without a new turbo etc, I know that an intake and intercooler is the next step but does the Miltek not require some map tweaking?
And before I get flamed... yes I know I should have used a reputable tuner off here :ashamed:
Any advice appreciated :happy2:
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Very basic description would be that :
Stage 1 needs no mods just the remap
Stage 2 is just needs the addition downpipe and remap
Stage 2+ is just the addition of a HPFP
At any time you can add an intercooler and ofcourse an intake which would both maximise the gains if you went above stage 1
Sounds like they don't know what they are talking about if they've only done a stage 1 map to your car and now say there is nothing left to do :stupid:
Click the search button to check out lots of threads on the possibilities of what you can do and whats needed at each stage of tune :happy2:
HTH
Dave
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Having spoken to the 'technical' department at Celtic they tell me there is nothing more can be achieved without a new turbo etc
....What? A new turbo!? You have a K04 turbo'd Ed30 and an aftermarket high-flow air intake would instantly increase your bhp (if that's what you seek).
I would advise getting to know your car on Stage 1 first. You're gonna need bigger brakes and handling mods too if you start upping the power.
Sounds like they don't know what they are talking about if they've only done a stage 1 map to your car and now say there is nothing left to do :stupid:
.... x 2 !! :stupid:
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Celtic is synonymous with new turbo's. :wink:
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Celtic is synonymous with new turbo's. :wink:
Tell me more :confused:
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Celtic is synonymous with new turbo's. :wink:
Tell me more :confused:
Well hopefully it wont affect you but that name isn't the best on another forum I frequent. Google is your friend. :wink:
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Google is not my friend now :wink:
They certainly do seem to have a rep for frying turbo's.
I had the car originally mapped by R tech but was since diagnosed (post Celtic map) with a blown DV. Think i'll call R tech and get there map back on.
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Had a stage one celtic tuning map put on my Edition 30 a couple of months ago and have since added a Miltek TBE.
The car made 274bhp before the exhaust and while is feels much better now I was under the impression it would need a stage two now.
Having spoken to the 'technical' department at Celtic they tell me there is nothing more can be achieved without a new turbo etc, I know that an intake and intercooler is the next step but does the Miltek not require some map tweaking?
And before I get flamed... yes I know I should have used a reputable tuner off here :ashamed:
Any advice appreciated :happy2:
Any tuner who says that should be hung drawn and quartered..... i wouldn't let them touch my car.
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A K04 out of steam at 274Hp!!!!!!! If they think that then they officially have no idea what they are talking about. :fighting: theres another 70+Hp locked up in that turbo in there which the other tuners no how to release
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So it appears that Celtic is also synonymous with Custard :evilgrin:
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Why did you chose to get the celtic map put on and the r tech one taken off?
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Got the r tech one put on about six months ago but there RR was out of action, The car pulled better and I was happy.
A couple of months ago I put it on a RR local to me and it only made 229bhp so being a T**T I got the place to put there (celtic) map on, it then made 231bhp and the DV was diagnosed (me being £350 lighter)
I know I should have gone straight back to R tech but I work 6 day weeks and being impatient I thought the new map would cure it, turns out a £40 dv did the job :grin:
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A couple of months ago I put it on a RR local to me and it only made 229bhp so being a T**T I got the place to put there (celtic) map on, it then made 231bhp and the DV was diagnosed (me being £350 lighter)
I know I should have gone straight back to R tech but I work 6 day weeks and being impatient I thought the new map would cure it, turns out a £40 dv did the job :grin:
....Hmm, was it Celtic's rolling road that plotted 229 bhp? And they then offered you their remap?
Celtic should have logged your car and diagnosed the faulty DV.
On the face of it, it all sounds very fishy.
You can trust Nick at R-tech.
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Was a Celtic agent, Tbh i'm to blame for rushing into it and not making time to get it back up to R tech.
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Agree with Robin sounds very dodgy and like they have made you spend money on a remap that you didn't need!! :fighting:
Heard only good things on here about R-Tech so i'm sure it'll get sorted by them and an expensive lesson learned of taking people at face value maybe
Dave
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I had recently had a audio install and heard that disconnecting the battery can erase maps so thought that might have been the case, also coming from an RS4 not use to the turbo kick.
You're bang on, lesson learned! It's easy to get wound up but when all said and done it's my own fault for not taking time out and looking into probable causes (ie DV!!).
Great bunch up at R tech just 300 miles away, still i'm willing to stump up two tanks of V power to get them on it :happy2:
Thanks for all the replies
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Was a Celtic agent
....That seems to confirm what I feared.
I had a Jap car tuning specialist try that trick on me at, IIRC, was our first ever forum rolling road meet up near Birmingham. When he started to bad mouth JKM I then knew 100% he couldn't be trusted. I hate people like that - Nothing more than con artists.
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Lmfao at this thread. What a bunch of ripping off fcukin tossers. How the fcuk can they not run any logs first is beyond belief, secondly as said in one of the above posts 274 bhp and your maxing that blower out. Wtf. You could run that blower to around 350-360hp. They are totally talking out of their arses and dont deserve custom the ripping cnuts and obviously no jack sh1t about these cars . Total w4nkers. Rant over :scared:
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Doesn't help you i know but by naming and shaming on here hopefully nobody else will get ripped off by them
300 mile trip :driver: couldnt you find anyone closer?
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I feel a bit stupid tbh but if it stops someone else making the same mistake then its all good :happy2:
After all this I would rather take the time out and get it back up to R tech, with any luck they can put there map back on and all will be well :)
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Good luck fella hope it all works out ok and you get the performance and support you wanted in the beginning :happy2:
Dave
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you swapped an R-Tech map for Celtic?!
jeez well at least you won't make that mistake again... :stupid:
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Quick update..
Spoken to Celtic who have offered to look at the car, when I asked would they be logging it I was told it would have a log for safety purpose before it was put on the RR but there is no need to log during or after they play with it.
Tell me if i'm being stupid but am I right in thinking if you change parameters within the ECU you should surely check they are within safe limits??
I have politely told Celtic I will be going elsewhere :signLOL:
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Proper tuners will log the car, make the adjustments and re-log to check the changes are acceptable. It's a bit like checking the tyre pressure, finding it's low, and then pumping it up without rechecking to see if you've reached the correct pressure.
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If you find the time to get back to me I will do you a full custom remap on the dyno to match your mods and needs. You bring us some hobnobs to keep us happy I will carry out the remap £FOC.
I didnt like the idea of Celtic jumping the gun and going for there remap sale and charging you for 1 bhp gain when a basic logging session of the boost and boost control duty cycle would have show the map was asking for 280-290bhp. If that was done by me or any of the R-Tech team I would no be able to sleep at night.
The more you do the more power you get..lol A full induction kit with full turbo back exhaust should see you around 310-320bhp 310-320lbft with a much stronger broader mid range over stage 1.
Nick
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Thanks Nick,
Spoke to Ben and I'm coming up next Thursday armed with a boot load of hobnobs :)
Cheers :happy2:
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If you find the time to get back to me I will do you a full custom remap on the dyno to match your mods and needs. You bring us some hobnobs to keep us happy I will carry out the remap £FOC.
Nick
Fairplay to Nick and the lads for sorting this dude out. :happy2: :happy2: :happy2:
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If you find the time to get back to me I will do you a full custom remap on the dyno to match your mods and needs. You bring us some hobnobs to keep us happy I will carry out the remap £FOC.
Nick
Fairplay to Nick and the lads for sorting this dude out. :happy2: :happy2: :happy2:
It took a 5 Minute phone call to R tech and it was booked in, I was just STUPID going elsewhere.
Let it be a lesson to anyone else AVOID Celtic tuning, they can't even be bothered to reply to Emails once they find out there is no more money in it for them.
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If you find the time to get back to me I will do you a full custom remap on the dyno to match your mods and needs. You bring us some hobnobs to keep us happy I will carry out the remap £FOC.
I didnt like the idea of Celtic jumping the gun and going for there remap sale and charging you for 1 bhp gain when a basic logging session of the boost and boost control duty cycle would have show the map was asking for 280-290bhp. If that was done by me or any of the R-Tech team I would no be able to sleep at night.
The more you do the more power you get..lol A full induction kit with full turbo back exhaust should see you around 310-320bhp 310-320lbft with a much stronger broader mid range over stage 1.
Nick
Wow, great customer service. :congrats:
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R-Tech was my 1st choice for a remap when i got my GTI and i cannot rate them high enough....
Had no probs at all,an it's been on the car 2 yrs come July.
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Update!!
Took the car in to see Nick and Ben @ R-tech this afternoon and all I can say is WOW. It was quickly diagnosed needing a new PCV and Ben was good enough to drive me to a supplier and pick it up.
Once on the rollers the Celtic map threw up a turbo busting torque figure which hopefully Nick will be along soon and explain.
Anyway I cannot thank Nick and Ben enough for sorting this out for me, It's nice to know there are still companies out there that believe in customer service.
Oh and the map's pretty good too :wink:
Cheers guys :happy2:
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Good to see this story has had a happy ending. I have not heard one bad story about R-tech yet. very commendable. :congrats:
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Just finised work painted workshop ready for
myour big day....lol :party:
What can I say about your ED30??? PMSL!!! :jumping:
290lbft 406lbft from the the other tuners remap awesome numbers but using a spike of 1.9/2bar boost to produce it is not my cup of tea tbh. IMHO I think you was lucky to have the PVC bleeding all the boost pressure off. Maybe the ko4 would be happy at 2bar spike all day long I dont know??? But I will soon find out as soon as I buy my own TFSI to tune to the max in the name of R&D, so far in my TFSI tuning history I have only have a few "mates" cars that I could R&D and take risks to find safe limits.
I think my way for tuning linear is a much better safer option? it found you another 54bhp over a 2000rpm range.
Thanks again for your custom and feedback it all helps and make our day worth all the effort we put into very job.
Nick
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Did Jim give you copy of the graphs on a CD??
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Got a print out, no worries on a disc the proof is under the right foot :)
Have a good one tomorrow and thanks again.
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So what were the figures?
I can't believe the other companies attempts to tune it!
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I can't believe the other companies attempts to tune it!
....They've certainly done themselves no favours on here! Or anywhere else it would seem. Stupid and outrageous as far as we can tell.
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With the Celtic map it was running 284bhp 406lbft (i'm no expert but Nick said that was pretty high!!)
Now with some R-tech magic... 317bhp 352lbft and a nice curve to match :smiley: