MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Matto on May 10, 2012, 06:21:37 pm
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Have done abit of research on here and aware of what they are and what they do. My question is I am looking at getting a set of H&R springs with the possibility of a rear arb aswell. I have read of people on here only fitting the rear ARB. Is it necessary to fit both front and rear or can the rear just be fitted on its on?
Basically all I want to know is if I'm going to go down this route should it be all or nothing?
I will also be fitting WALK further down the line.
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I was about to ask the same question. :)
Its a very tempting price and makes sense to get it all done at the same time but wonder if i really need both front and rear.
What are the OEM ARB sizes
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I have rear arb along with walk and bilstein b8's with h&r springs. Personally i dont think you need front, only if you are going to be doing track days. With the rear under steer is greatly reduced and far less wallowy. So you dont need front aswell but thats just my opinion, sure someone will be along to contradict me though. :signLOL:
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Only got the a rear one set on medium with WALK and it transforms the handling of the car :happy2:
Didn't bother with a front as i wont be tracking the car and if i got a front one it'd be set the same as the OEM one or it'd cancel out the rear's effect if i had it running stiffer
Dave
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can i asume that all aftermarket ARBs are adjustable?
Not really wanting to have an option to adjust just want to forget
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TBH I do like to 'drive' the car and my commute is mostly national speed limit twisties. I find most corners can be taken at 60mph but since having it I have never experienced any understeer. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2F1003%2FMatt.H%2FInternet%2Fgayaway.gif&hash=e81cb44f1748575ed14cb34e0cca4b4c8c4c5693)
But then again although I find it nice to drive, I think improvements can be made to make it feel tighter and more direct.
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can i asume that all aftermarket ARBs are adjustable?
Not really wanting to have an option to adjust just want to forget
They aren't all adjustable but i chose an adjustable one because i thought 'what if the one i get isn't stiff enough or too stiff and then i'm stuck with it like that' :wink:
TBH i've only tried mine on the medium setting as the softer setting is almost OEM so no point using and didn't want it to be too lively :driver: and it's stayed like that because it feels good to me
Dave
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which size rear to go for..
22 or 24mm
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i opted for just rear but as i had the engine changed this winter i also changed the front.
Must say the front ain't worth it unless you are doing loads of track days.
stick with the rear for 99% of what these cars are used for :happy2:
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i opted for just rear but as i had the engine changed this winter i also changed the front.
Must say the front ain't worth it unless you are doing loads of track days.
stick with the rear for 99% of what these cars are used for :happy2:
Cheers :happy2: just a rear for me then
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24mm seem to be the ARB choice for "fast road" :happy2:
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i opted for just rear but as i had the engine changed this winter i also changed the front.
Must say the front ain't worth it unless you are doing loads of track days.
stick with the rear for 99% of what these cars are used for :happy2:
Good to hear from someone that did the rear and then the front :)
So would it be worth doing rear and then WALK at the front? or is just the rear enough?
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The autotech rear ARB is a good option... 25mm 3 way adjustable.
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i opted for just rear but as i had the engine changed this winter i also changed the front.
Must say the front ain't worth it unless you are doing loads of track days.
stick with the rear for 99% of what these cars are used for :happy2:
Good to hear from someone that did the rear and then the front :)
So would it be worth doing rear and then WALK at the front? or is just the rear enough?
I had the rear ARB fitted which improved body roll and helped the back end stay planted and come around more in the twistys then had WALK fitted later which combined has almost completely got rid of understeer and sharpened up turn in and feel through the steering wheel, no doubt if you chuck it fast enough into a corner it will understeer but not at the speeds i'm doing when it did horribly before :happy2:
HTH
Dave
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The autotech rear ARB is a good option... 25mm 3 way adjustable.
This is what i have fitted, been set on the medium setting
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Same as mine then. :happy2:
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Same as mine then. :happy2:
Yeah remember asking what setting yours was on before i got mine done :happy2:
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Seems like i will be getting the autotech ones then, How do ou adjust these ARBs?
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Seems like i will be getting the autotech ones then, How do ou adjust these ARBs?
There are 3 holes to mount the bar with on each side, soft medium and hard settings putting progressively more tension and stiffness into the bar as the car is driven :happy2:
Dave
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Lots of talk about the autotech bar but has anyone got or tried the H&R 24mm bar?
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Any more recommendations from people who have had a rear ABR fitted on its own and then gone for a front one as well?
Thanks in advance
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if you go for the front one then maybe no need for the WALK kit, but i think it would be better to go for the WALK considering i have not seen a bad word for it as yet.
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if you go for the front one then maybe no need for the WALK kit, but i think it would be better to go for the WALK considering i have not seen a bad word for it as yet.
apart from ive seen a few people split the bushes.
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I think any issues with worn bushes is down to not lubricating when fitting :happy2:
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Any feedback on the passat r36 rear arb?.85gbp from dealers and a little stiffer than std.
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Autotech ARB is hallow iirc? Weight saving here.
Most FWD cars benefit from a rear ARB, it helps understeer a lot.
If you are fitting coilovers at some point with relatively hard springs i would discount putting in a front arb unless you are wanting to get rid of most body roll and are using lots of camber as well. I personally like a little movement in body roll, weight transformation plays a huge factor in a cars handling.
The WALK kit is completely different to fitting a front ARB and should be looked at for different reasons. The most appealing aspect for me is the added static castor. You can never have too much castor!
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I've got the whiteline 24mm 3 way adjustable rear ARB on at the moment and so far it has created the biggest noticeable improvement in handling. Currently its on the medium setting. I do have coilovers however they are road use coilies so are quite softly sprung. This set up is very good for spirited road driving however not the best for the track (front tyre rub while on track) hence I now have the front WL ARB sitting in the living room awaiting fitting (next couple of wks). I'm gonna get the rear set to the stiffest setting and the front to medium. This setup will hopefully retain the nice sharp turn in I get now and get rid on the roll at the front. WALK hmmm not sure just yet, I haven't read enough "OMG" reviews on it, think I'd rather spend my cash on some super sticky track rubber.
I'll report back once the front ARB is fitted
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I've got the whiteline 24mm 3 way adjustable rear ARB on at the moment and so far it has created the biggest noticeable improvement in handling. Currently its on the medium setting. I do have coilovers however they are road use coilies so are quite softly sprung. This set up is very good for spirited road driving however not the best for the track (front tyre rub while on track) hence I now have the front WL ARB sitting in the living room awaiting fitting (next couple of wks). I'm gonna get the rear set to the stiffest setting and the front to medium. This setup will hopefully retain the nice sharp turn in I get now and get rid on the roll at the front. WALK hmmm not sure just yet, I haven't read enough "OMG" reviews on it, think I'd rather spend my cash on some super sticky track rubber.
I'll report back once the front ARB is fitted
Thanks
So H&R springs and rear H&R ARB would be ideal for road use
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For £££ per :smiley: yes
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ok well I've had the front ARB on for about 5 days now and its a big thumbs up from me :happy2: its a 2 way adjustable one and its set on medium (stiff created too much understaeer). The car feels so much more planted around the bends, so much in fact that I'm having to learn a slightly different driving style.
I know that people are a little wary about FARBs as they induce understeer but I've not experianced any so far, fair enough the pointy turn in that was there beforehand (with just a RARB) has gone a little bit but the flat/balanced cornering far outweighs the old intial turn in bight.
The only down side is that I can carry so much more speed into and through corners that in some circumstances you find yourself backing off a bit as it could be a bit unsafe. I'm at Bedford autodrome in 2 wks so fingers crossed this will transfer into more fun on the track :wink:
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ok well I've had the front ARB on for about 5 days now and its a big thumbs up from me :happy2: its a 2 way adjustable one and its set on medium (stiff created too much understaeer). The car feels so much more planted around the bends, so much in fact that I'm having to learn a slightly different driving style.
I know that people are a little wary about FARBs as they induce understeer but I've not experianced any so far, fair enough the pointy turn in that was there beforehand (with just a RARB) has gone a little bit but the flat/balanced cornering far outweighs the old intial turn in bight.
The only down side is that I can carry so much more speed into and through corners that in some circumstances you find yourself backing off a bit as it could be a bit unsafe. I'm at Bedford autodrome in 2 wks so fingers crossed this will transfer into more fun on the track :wink:
Sounds great but shoudnt the ARBS make you feel much safer in the bends to enable you to go more confidently?
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ok well I've had the front ARB on for about 5 days now and its a big thumbs up from me :happy2: its a 2 way adjustable one and its set on medium (stiff created too much understaeer). The car feels so much more planted around the bends, so much in fact that I'm having to learn a slightly different driving style.
I know that people are a little wary about FARBs as they induce understeer but I've not experianced any so far, fair enough the pointy turn in that was there beforehand (with just a RARB) has gone a little bit but the flat/balanced cornering far outweighs the old intial turn in bight.
The only down side is that I can carry so much more speed into and through corners that in some circumstances you find yourself backing off a bit as it could be a bit unsafe. I'm at Bedford autodrome in 2 wks so fingers crossed this will transfer into more fun on the track :wink:
Sounds great but shoudnt the ARBS make you feel much safer in the bends to enable you to go more confidently?
yeah thats the problem, it feels very safe in the bends, hence I take them a bit qwk'r. Its what might be around the bend that means I back off a bit