MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: bushypad on May 13, 2012, 11:57:15 am
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Just wondering if anyone had ideas of what a gti would top out at on a ko4 turbo stage 3
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I think its do with the gearbox aswell, circa 170mph iirc
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Dsg transmission
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There's a stage 3 ko4 vRS on youtube somewhere that did 174mph GPS.
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There's a stage 3 ko4 vRS on youtube somewhere that did 174mph GPS.
There's a few vids on facetube of KO4 GTI's hitting 290-300kmh (182-187mph), read on another post that with DSG remap with rev limiter set to 7200rpm it could reach 205mph if it had enough power, I would think 400bhp would get you to circa 190mph with a long enough road.
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Wow that is crazy speed.. Reason i ask is i was on the autobahn not long ago and hit 162mph in my stage 2+ gti and am now considering ko4. Have been told to expect around 330bhp!
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Wow that is crazy speed.. Reason i ask is i was on the autobahn not long ago and hit 162mph in my stage 2+ gti and am now considering ko4. Have been told to expect around 330bhp!
I Think it's more like 350 bhp :smiley:
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Wow that is crazy speed.. Reason i ask is i was on the autobahn not long ago and hit 162mph in my stage 2+ gti and am now considering ko4. Have been told to expect around 330bhp!
I Think it's more like 350 bhp :smiley:
i think its more like 330bhp :laugh:
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How far off is the MK5 speedo?
I seen 170mph on the clock of mine with circa 300bhp, but i've heard that the clocks are a bit off so probably more like 150-155?
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About 8-10% speedos generally over-read so the 170 you saw was probably 153(ish)
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About 8-10% speedos generally over-read so the 170 you saw was probably 153(ish)
That sounds about right. Usually your speedo reading will be about 5-10%ish over true speed. Why do you think you never get pulled doing 85mph when passing the plod!
GPS systems are (on the whole) only 0.1mph out from the cars "actual" speed. Have read a some articles on how non OEM tyres can also make a difference ie size and tread.
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About 8-10% speedos generally over-read so the 170 you saw was probably 153(ish)
That sounds about right. Usually your speedo reading will be about 5-10%ish over true speed. Why do you think you never get pulled doing 85mph when passing the plod!
GPS systems are (on the whole) only 0.1mph out from the cars "actual" speed. Have read a some articles on how non OEM tyres can also make a difference ie size and tread.
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Also new tyre vs worn tyre, that effects the tyres circumference too. :happy2:
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I'd be happy with 330bhp! I'd be curious to know how much it affects 0-60 times also. Currently im hitting 6secs flat
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You wont get much quicker 0-60 with all that power through FWD, as it will just equate to wheelspin. I have always though 0-60 is a pointless stat, as most of our daily driving is done in the mid range and not with traffic light grand prixs. I like 30-70 stats etc as that shows the cars true potential performance wise. My car is stage 2+ and I find thats more than enough for the roads power wise. I know people thirst for more power and if you google these 1000bhp Supra etc. When ever they try to use the power the rear wheels just spin up like crazy :rolleye: There is a point when too much power starts to make the car slower as you cant use it and just spin the wheels all the time. Peak figures count for nothing and its how the power is applied from the engine to road that makes the difference. An extra 40-50bhp is not going to shave seconds of a 30-70 time. You will be looking at a second or two if you are lucky. I was thinking of going K04 but am happy and staying K03, as I wouldnt notice that much difference on the road performace wise, a track to an extent but not on the road.
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About 8-10% speedos generally over-read so the 170 you saw was probably 153(ish)
That sounds about right. Usually your speedo reading will be about 5-10%ish over true speed. Why do you think you never get pulled doing 85mph when passing the plod!
GPS systems are (on the whole) only 0.1mph out from the cars "actual" speed. Have read a some articles on how non OEM tyres can also make a difference ie size and tread.
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Also new tyre vs worn tyre, that effects the tyres circumference too. :happy2:
Good point! Tyre pressures as well (I would imagine) will make difference. :happy2:
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You wont get much quicker 0-60 with all that power through FWD, as it will just equate to wheelspin. I have always though 0-60 is a pointless stat, as most of our daily driving is done in the mid range and not with traffic light grand prixs. I like 30-70 stats etc as that shows the cars true potential performance wise. My car is stage 2+ and I find thats more than enough for the roads power wise. I know people thirst for more power and if you google these 1000bhp Supra etc. When ever they try to use the power the rear wheels just spin up like crazy :rolleye: There is a point when too much power starts to make the car slower as you cant use it and just spin the wheels all the time. Peak figures count for nothing and its how the power is applied from the engine to road that makes the difference. An extra 40-50bhp is not going to shave seconds of a 30-70 time. You will be looking at a second or two if you are lucky. I was thinking of going K04 but am happy and staying K03, as I wouldnt notice that much difference on the road performace wise, a track to an extent but not on the road.
I think an anti lift kit by whiteline and engine mount would surely help keep the car planted better with that extra power.
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You wont get much quicker 0-60 with all that power through FWD, as it will just equate to wheelspin. I have always though 0-60 is a pointless stat, as most of our daily driving is done in the mid range and not with traffic light grand prixs. I like 30-70 stats etc as that shows the cars true potential performance wise. My car is stage 2+ and I find thats more than enough for the roads power wise. I know people thirst for more power and if you google these 1000bhp Supra etc. When ever they try to use the power the rear wheels just spin up like crazy :rolleye: There is a point when too much power starts to make the car slower as you cant use it and just spin the wheels all the time. Peak figures count for nothing and its how the power is applied from the engine to road that makes the difference. An extra 40-50bhp is not going to shave seconds of a 30-70 time. You will be looking at a second or two if you are lucky. I was thinking of going K04 but am happy and staying K03, as I wouldnt notice that much difference on the road performace wise, a track to an extent but not on the road.
....Hear! Hear! :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
How the car performs 30-70 and 70-90 are far more relevant for fast and safe road use. (And also how well a car handles on British B-roads is far more relevant than top speed, IMO).
Apart from the fact that the OEM speedo can be more than 10% inaccurate (mine is 15% inaccurate compared with 2 independent GPS systems) I think it's the hatchback aerodynamics which start to really slow down acceleration after about 135 mph - I have experimented with this on unrestricted sections of autobahn.
Unless you are living in Germany and regularly driving on unrestricted autobahns (they're not all unrestricted), what on earth is the point of modifying your car to achieve that level of maximum top speed? Willy waving?
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I think an anti lift kit by whiteline and engine mount would surely help keep the car planted better with that extra power.
....Planted a little better and improving traction when accelerating but I doubt if this would help you reach a higher max speed figure.
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Your findings robin are typical of the k03 turbo... you would find that if you drove a K04 in the same high speed situation that you would get better acceleration. :happy2:
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I've had 167mph on the GPS on my old ED30 DSG, but with a longer stretch there would have been more in it.
I agree to a certain extent with OctyVRS, it is more about the mid range acceleration than ultimate top speed performance. I do think that the 0-60mph is relevant in as much as it is the yardstick that most performance cars are measured against, although those damn eurocrats continually now quote 0-62mph as it falls in line with 0-100kph. :fighting:
For me 30-70mph and 60-100mph (both done through the gears)are the other recognised performance figures commonly used. 70-90mph is very rarely used.
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You wont get much quicker 0-60 with all that power through FWD, as it will just equate to wheelspin. I have always though 0-60 is a pointless stat, as most of our daily driving is done in the mid range and not with traffic light grand prixs. I like 30-70 stats etc as that shows the cars true potential performance wise. My car is stage 2+ and I find thats more than enough for the roads power wise. I know people thirst for more power and if you google these 1000bhp Supra etc. When ever they try to use the power the rear wheels just spin up like crazy :rolleye: There is a point when too much power starts to make the car slower as you cant use it and just spin the wheels all the time. Peak figures count for nothing and its how the power is applied from the engine to road that makes the difference. An extra 40-50bhp is not going to shave seconds of a 30-70 time. You will be looking at a second or two if you are lucky. I was thinking of going K04 but am happy and staying K03, as I wouldnt notice that much difference on the road performace wise, a track to an extent but not on the road.
....Hear! Hear! :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
How the car performs 30-70 and 70-90 are far more relevant for fast and safe road use. (And also how well a car handles on British B-roads is far more relevant than top speed, IMO).
Apart from the fact that the OEM speedo can be more than 10% inaccurate (mine is 15% inaccurate compared with 2 independent GPS systems) I think it's the hatchback aerodynamics which start to really slow down acceleration after about 135 mph - I have experimented with this on unrestricted sections of autobahn.
Unless you are living in Germany and regularly driving on unrestricted autobahns (they're not all unrestricted), what on earth is the point of modifying your car to achieve that level of maximum top speed? Willy waving?
Really good points on both counts peeps! :happy2:
Willy waving is a big factor I believe. My cars got xxx bhp, my cars does xxx 0-60mph, my cars achieved xxx top speed. Not really bothered what bhp my car has or how fast it goes as long as It does what I want it to do. But saying that there are peeps on the forum who are trying for low 0-60 times and quick 1/4 miles etc and who are genuinely doing it to see what is achievable and good luck to them as there does not seem to be any willy waving involved.
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Just to add.....30-130mph is a fun measure.......on track of course. :driver: This trackday allows you to do a top speed run over a 1.2 mile course too. :happy2:
http://www.lancerregister.com/mlrsprint/30130results.php?eventid=20120318&last=5
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You wont get much quicker 0-60 with all that power through FWD, as it will just equate to wheelspin. I have always though 0-60 is a pointless stat, as most of our daily driving is done in the mid range and not with traffic light grand prixs. I like 30-70 stats etc as that shows the cars true potential performance wise. My car is stage 2+ and I find thats more than enough for the roads power wise. I know people thirst for more power and if you google these 1000bhp Supra etc. When ever they try to use the power the rear wheels just spin up like crazy :rolleye: There is a point when too much power starts to make the car slower as you cant use it and just spin the wheels all the time. Peak figures count for nothing and its how the power is applied from the engine to road that makes the difference. An extra 40-50bhp is not going to shave seconds of a 30-70 time. You will be looking at a second or two if you are lucky. I was thinking of going K04 but am happy and staying K03, as I wouldnt notice that much difference on the road performace wise, a track to an extent but not on the road.
Yes agreed 30-50 and 50-70 are more readily used and where I live (no motorways) its mainly 40-60mph as all the HGV drivers sit at 40 in the 60mph de-restricted A roads (paid hourly aren't they!), so that gets used most.
It is funny watching oncoming drivers (usually elderly drivers) flashing their lights at an empty stretch of road as you are in an out past a tractor/hgv/combine in a couple of seconds :grin:
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You wont get much quicker 0-60 with all that power through FWD, as it will just equate to wheelspin. I have always though 0-60 is a pointless stat,
That's not entirely true mate.. My ED30 when just Stage 1 (+ Milly TBE) was running consistant 5.0-5.1 sec 0-60 runs when timed by a V-Box or @ Inters. That was with DSG though, so that will make a difference..
I do agree that 0-60 is a pointless stat though :happy2: Sooo many people judge a car on it's 0-60 time and it couldn't be more misleading if it tried. Just look at the newer Subaru WRXs for example - quick off the mark (4WD), but on their arse once past 80 mph and will have most similar powered hot hatches whistling past them after that..
30mph onwards is where it is at :happy2: This is why I love the 30-130mph days so much. Nowhere to hide on those days and it was there where I found out how far out the MK5 clocks are when at high speeds... 174 on the speedo only equated to 158 in real money.. :surprised: What was strange though was at 60mph it was only out by 0.8mph.. :confused:
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Yeah, I can see the point of folks going for 0-60 quarter-miles etc but not the practical real-world point in the UK of the maximum top speed.
John (Hurdy), I find 70-90 rather more commonly used than I perhaps should admit - It's very helpful in getting someone off your tailgate on M-ways/DC's. I always try to avoid driving in the close company of other vehicles and use my car's performance to avoid those pods of traffic which are invariably travelling much too close to each other for their speed. The average driver is more comfortable driving at 60-70 and also trying to conserve fuel (they don't necessarily actually enjoy driving like us) but the result is bunched traffic and multi vehicle pile-ups when it goes wrong. IF conditions are right/safe, I prefer to get ahead of such pods rather than to slow to 60-65 and have to follow them.
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Yeah, I can see the point of folks going for 0-60 quarter-miles etc but not the practical real-world point in the UK of the maximum top speed.
John (Hurdy), I find 70-90 rather more commonly used than I perhaps should admit - It's very helpful in getting someone off your tailgate on M-ways/DC's. I always try to avoid driving in the close company of other vehicles and use my car's performance to avoid those pods of traffic which are invariably travelling much too close to each other for their speed. The average driver is more comfortable driving at 60-70 and also trying to conserve fuel (they don't necessarily actually enjoy driving like us) but the result is bunched traffic and multi vehicle pile-ups when it goes wrong. IF conditions are right/safe, I prefer to get ahead of such pods rather than to slow to 60-65 and have to follow them.
Hey Robin try sitting behind 16 cars and an HGV for 3 miles and none of the cars want to overtake (at 40mph in a 60) and you manage to pass them all, then you catch up to 3 HGV's all tailgating each other, you get past one, slot in the gap and they tailgate you :scared:, then comes the only bit of dual carriageway (3 miles long) and funnily thats exactly how long it normally takes the one behind to pass the guy in front as he is doing 1.1mph faster, very annoying :fighting:.
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that when your stuck behind someone all the bendy/blind parts of the road are traffic free and as soon as you come to a straight theres oncoming traffic :confused:
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Is it just me or does anyone else notice that when your stuck behind someone all the bendy/blind parts of the road are traffic free and as soon as you come to a straight theres oncoming traffic :confused:
....It's just you, mate, it's a either karma or a conspiracy :evilgrin:
Frustrating but a test of your ability to stay calm and just go with the flow. At least it's great to have the 2.0T FSI performance when a safe opportunity to overtake eventually presents itself.
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Is it just me or does anyone else notice that when your stuck behind someone all the bendy/blind parts of the road are traffic free and as soon as you come to a straight theres oncoming traffic :confused:
....It's just you, mate, it's a either karma or a conspiracy :evilgrin:
Frustrating but a test of your ability to stay calm and just go with the flow. At least it's great to have the 2.0T FSI performance when a safe opportunity to overtake eventually presents itself.
I think its just where I live mate, Lots of HGV's on the A roads and no one willing to overtake them, usually its 3 at a time these days :signLOL:
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Wow that is crazy speed.. Reason i ask is i was on the autobahn not long ago and hit 162mph in my stage 2+ gti and am now considering ko4. Have been told to expect around 330bhp!
I Think it's more like 350 bhp :smiley:
i think its more like 330bhp :laugh:
i think its the dyno :laugh:
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I was thinking of going K04 but am happy and staying K03, as I wouldnt notice that much difference on the road performace wise, a track to an extent but not on the road.
I remember you saying something similar when you were at Stage 1(or 2?) but thinking of stage 2+, I see you made the leap :wink:
K04 next then........
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I thinkna lot of you make a good point regarding acceleration from 30-70 60-100mph as i recall an m3 e46 pulling up alongside me on the autobahn and from 30mph rolling starts i had at least a cars length on him. Only when we reached 120mph his car began to take off and leave me. It was funny though as he kept asking to go again from 30mph i think he was surprised :p
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I was thinking of going K04 but am happy and staying K03, as I wouldnt notice that much difference on the road performace wise, a track to an extent but not on the road.
I remember you saying something similar when you were at Stage 1(or 2?) but thinking of stage 2+, I see you made the leap :wink:
K04 next then........
Not for me mate. I did look into it but I decided against it as all my driving is on the road and my car will never see a track day. I have between 265 to 275 bhp and that is plenty for overtaking and making good progress on the roads.
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I had 168mph out of my brothers audi s3 which was amd tuned, so circa 310bhp and was still pulling.
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all my driving is on the road and my car will never see a track day. I have between 265 to 275 bhp and that is plenty for overtaking and making good progress on the roads.
....I find the same, especially when coupled with good brakes and handling mods. The trade off of even more mods or compromise in order to get even more power simply isn't worth it, IMO. My car is still totally capable of giving me a very enjoyable trackday too (I never record any lap times).
When my K03 failed a few years ago I had the perfect opportunity to change to a K04 but decided to go for suspension mods instead and I have absolutely no regrets.
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At least it's great to have the 2.0T FSI performance when a safe opportunity to overtake eventually presents itself.
Or even an 'ickle 1.4TSI :wink:
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At least it's great to have the 2.0T FSI performance when a safe opportunity to overtake eventually presents itself.
Or even an 'ickle 1.4TSI :wink:
....No so 'ickle when it comes to bhp per ton! :happy2:
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At least it's great to have the 2.0T FSI performance when a safe opportunity to overtake eventually presents itself.
Or even an 'ickle 1.4TSI :wink:
....No so 'ickle when it comes to bhp per ton! :happy2:
I read all about Hurdy's big power cars on the forum :happy2:
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Had a little play tonight in my car, on a private road of course. My ED30, BCS TBE, ITG and a stage 1 ish map circa 300bhp seen 175mph on the speedo which was 162mph on the GPS, dont know if there was anymore in that but that's all I was prepared to give. Good for a stage 1 car though! Certainly pulled nice all the way, should do a genuine 170+ with 350bhp!
On another note, had my best mates E46 330CD on the GPS, it's on a 3" turbo back, big cooler and custom map, we seen 164mph on the GPS! Mental for a derv, it would of actually went faster we think but it ran out of revs!
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Had a little play tonight in my car, on a private road of course. My ED30, BCS TBE, ITG and a stage 1 ish map circa 300bhp seen 175mph on the speedo which was 162mph on the GPS, dont know if there was anymore in that but that's all I was prepared to give. Good for a stage 1 car though! Certainly pulled nice all the way, should do a genuine 170+ with 350bhp!
On another note, had my best mates E46 330CD on the GPS, it's on a 3" turbo back, big cooler and custom map, we seen 164mph on the GPS! Mental for a derv, it would of actually went faster we think but it ran out of revs!
Stupid boy..... :stupid:
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Oh sorry because i'm sure you have never broken the speed limit, right? C'mon mate we're not all perfect, we all do silly things sometimes.
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Oh sorry because i'm sure you have never broken the speed limit, right? C'mon mate we're not all perfect, we all do silly things sometimes.
....Of course we all break the 60/70 speed limit sometimes but you (and your best mate) were doing as much as over 160 mph on a "private road" in the UK. Was this "private road" even a dual carriageway, let alone a motorway where traffic is one-way on a stretch without junctions? It wasn't a track or airfield was it, otherwise you would have stated so. Just who do you think you are kidding?
You excuse yourself by saying you're "not perfect" and that "we all do silly things sometimes" - How old are you, Dave Welsh? - 15? You don't sound as if you can even begin to see the error of your ways.
Furthermore, by association you potentially bring this forum into disrepute. I have to say that part of me hopes that someone from the Police is reading your post - You, and your best mate, need stopping because it's far more serious than just acting silly. You're right when you say that none of us are perfect but is that your excuse to do absolutely anything you want regardless of the consequences? I'd love to hear you say that in a court.
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Personally I think that attack is unjustified. If he wants to drive at that speed at risk of killing someone or loosing his license then let him get on with it. No need for an attack. I have done close to 170mph my self on the Germanys autobahn motorways and it was exciting and fun. :happy2:
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I break the speed limit every time I drive my car, but driving at 100mph over the speed limit on a uk motorway is asking for trouble as far as I'm concerned.
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Personally I think that attack is unjustified. If he wants to drive at that speed at risk of killing someone or loosing his license then let him get on with it. No need for an attack. I have done close to 170mph my self on the Germanys autobahn motorways and it was exciting and fun. :happy2:
....Firstly, I am entitled to my opinion about anyone's behaviour and attitudes and to express that opinion.
I too have very much enjoyed driving my car at maximum speeds on unrestricted sections of German autobahns but only at times when it is both safe and legal. According to his post, Shorty was driving at over 160 mph on a "private road" probably somewhere in the North West of England where I haven't noticed any autobahns.
It's not just silly, it's totally irresponsible and would deserve a ban.
If no-one points it out to him he is likely to continue until someone does get killed and it might easily be someone totally innocent and other than himself.
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I actually didn't mean to rattle anyone's cage or offend anyone, if I have, then sorry.
I was simply posting my findings, as people have been asking and being honest, I was curious too! If it came across as me being a chav or bragging then it wasn't meant like that, it would be so easy to get into an argument about it about whats right and wrong, peoples opinions etc but what's the point? Life's too short.
As I said, didn't mean to offend anyone. For the record it was obviously on a private road. :)
Carry on...
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I actually didn't mean to rattle anyone's cage or offend anyone, if I have, then sorry.
I was simply posting my findings, as people have been asking and being honest, I was curious too! If it came across as me being a chav or bragging then it wasn't meant like that, it would be so easy to get into an argument about it about whats right and wrong, peoples opinions etc but what's the point? Life's too short.
As I said, didn't mean to offend anyone. For the record it was obviously on a private road. :)
Carry on...
....Apology accepted - You certainly did rattle my cage due to your choice of words and how I consequently interpreted your post. When someone says "private road" it's generally assumed that it's very doubtful if it was and what is done on a public road always requires responsible driving. Like richwig, I don't stick to the 60 and 70's (subject to safe driving conditions) but am absolutely rigid on the 20/30/40's and most but not all 50's (they've stuck a 50 limit on a local B-road which frankly should have remained 60).
Take very great care, as I expect you will, or your life may indeed be too short :grin: There's a time and a place for everything.
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Top speed of mine is 70mph officer :signLOL: but in Germany it suddenly gets faster but the best place to test your car is on a track day :driver:
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I actually didn't mean to rattle anyone's cage or offend anyone, if I have, then sorry.
I was simply posting my findings, as people have been asking and being honest, I was curious too! If it came across as me being a chav or bragging then it wasn't meant like that, it would be so easy to get into an argument about it about whats right and wrong, peoples opinions etc but what's the point? Life's too short
As I said, didn't mean to offend anyone. For the record it was obviously on a private road. :)
Carry on...
Have highlighted the appropriate comment you made and Yes it is. PLEASE DON'T carry on with this sort of attitude and flagrant disragade for your and others lives as how fast your car or your mates cars go is of no importance or interest. I have no problem with driving flat out and for "top speed" or "0-60" etc etc BUT that's why we go to organised events at drag strips, airfields and tracks where (god forbid) the emergency services are at hand.
Am honestly not having a go, I would say this (and have done) to my daughters partners about driving fast.
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I actually didn't mean to rattle anyone's cage or offend anyone, if I have, then sorry.
I was simply posting my findings, as people have been asking and being honest, I was curious too! If it came across as me being a chav or bragging then it wasn't meant like that, it would be so easy to get into an argument about it about whats right and wrong, peoples opinions etc but what's the point? Life's too short.
As I said, didn't mean to offend anyone. For the record it was obviously on a private road. :)
Carry on...
....Apology accepted - You certainly did rattle my cage due to your choice of words and how I consequently interpreted your post. When someone says "private road" it's generally assumed that it's very doubtful if it was and what is done on a public road always requires responsible driving. Like richwig, I don't stick to the 60 and 70's (subject to safe driving conditions) but am absolutely rigid on the 20/30/40's and most but not all 50's (they've stuck a 50 limit on a local B-road which frankly should have remained 60).
Take very great care, as I expect you will, or your life may indeed be too short :grin: There's a time and a place for everything.
I also don’t understand why certain speed limits are given to certain sections of road - I mean who the hell decides these things?
I’ve been on dual carriageway A roads (like some parts of the A406 – North Circular in London) where the road has 3 lanes on each side and they decide to give it a 40mph speed limit???????? WTF
You then drive down a country road that’s as wide as my bathroom and you can barely fit 1 car down it (and have to reverse ½ mile if another car comes down at the same time) and that also has a 40mph speed limit?????
:stupid: :stupid:
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I also don’t understand why certain speed limits are given to certain sections of road - I mean who the hell decides these things?
I’ve been on dual carriageway A roads (like some parts of the A406 – North Circular in London) where the road has 3 lanes on each side and they decide to give it a 40mph speed limit???????? WTF
You then drive down a country road that’s as wide as my bathroom and you can barely fit 1 car down it (and have to reverse ½ mile if another car comes down at the same time) and that also has a 40mph speed limit?????
:stupid: :stupid:
....Often it's simply because there have been accidents on a stretch of road. And yet those accidents are surely the fault of those involved and very rarely due to poor road design.
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I actually didn't mean to rattle anyone's cage or offend anyone, if I have, then sorry.
I was simply posting my findings, as people have been asking and being honest, I was curious too! If it came across as me being a chav or bragging then it wasn't meant like that, it would be so easy to get into an argument about it about whats right and wrong, peoples opinions etc but what's the point? Life's too short.
As I said, didn't mean to offend anyone. For the record it was obviously on a private road. :)
Carry on...
....Apology accepted - You certainly did rattle my cage due to your choice of words and how I consequently interpreted your post. When someone says "private road" it's generally assumed that it's very doubtful if it was and what is done on a public road always requires responsible driving. Like richwig, I don't stick to the 60 and 70's (subject to safe driving conditions) but am absolutely rigid on the 20/30/40's and most but not all 50's (they've stuck a 50 limit on a local B-road which frankly should have remained 60).
Take very great care, as I expect you will, or your life may indeed be too short :grin: There's a time and a place for everything.
I know of someone on here that has been know to hit 130-140mph in 30 zones. Personally i think they are just damn right retarded, have no regard for their own lives or anyone elses for that matter. People like that should be banned from driving for life. As said we all break the law at some point or another but those speeds are just ridiculous. SAVE IT FOR THE TRACK.
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Had a little play tonight in my car, on a private road of course.
All I'm going to say is this: people have had forum posts taken and used as evidence against them. "Private road" means sweet FA (unless you're willing to show which private road it was and able to prove that you're able to achieve what you've stated). There are stories of people being prosecuted based on forum posts so you can't use the excuse "I was lying/making it up/joking". Even insurance companies that have forum car club schemes will monitor your posts.
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Had a little play tonight in my car, on a private road of course.
All I'm going to say is this: people have had forum posts taken and used as evidence against them. "Private road" means sweet FA (unless you're willing to show which private road it was and able to prove that you're able to achieve what you've stated). There are stories of people being prosecuted based on forum posts so you can't use the excuse "I was lying/making it up/joking". Even insurance companies that have forum car club schemes will monitor your posts.
And so they should.
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Had a little play tonight in my car, on a private road of course.
All I'm going to say is this: people have had forum posts taken and used as evidence against them. "Private road" means sweet FA (unless you're willing to show which private road it was and able to prove that you're able to achieve what you've stated). There are stories of people being prosecuted based on forum posts so you can't use the excuse "I was lying/making it up/joking". Even insurance companies that have forum car club schemes will monitor your posts.
Hope what you say resonates with some peeps. But sometimes you can't stop some from willy waving no matter what!!
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Had a little play tonight in my car, on a private road of course.
All I'm going to say is this: people have had forum posts taken and used as evidence against them. "Private road" means sweet FA (unless you're willing to show which private road it was and able to prove that you're able to achieve what you've stated). There are stories of people being prosecuted based on forum posts so you can't use the excuse "I was lying/making it up/joking". Even insurance companies that have forum car club schemes will monitor your posts.
What If I said I managed 245mph on the M1 in my Bugatti Veyron, they would have a hard time proving that, I have not been on the M1 recently nor do I have a Bugatti Veyron :grin:
In all seriousness, we all break the law "When we see fit" but not all of us do crazy speeds, the plod will happlily let you pass them at 80+mph (On motorway, not through a village!) as long as your not driving like a tool, safe driving and not being reckless and they leave you alone.
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I know of someone on here that has been known to hit 130-140mph in 30 zones. Personally i think they are just damn right retarded, have no regard for their own lives or anyone elses for that matter. People like that should be banned from driving for life. As said we all break the law at some point or another but those speeds are just ridiculous. SAVE IT FOR THE TRACK.
....I don't have any sympathy for those who exceed the 30 and 40 zones and to do 130+ in those zones really angers me and I really hope they get caught and banned for life before someone gets killed. I would shop someone like that if I could - Inform the Police so they could keep a special eye out and catch them. It's not so much the 130 which bothers me but doing it in a 30 zone.
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I think the law works differently. It's up to Police to prove you did something wrong and not up to you to prove you didn't! It's the innocent presumption etc so you can tell what you want on forums I would think. Unless somebody can bring up some precedence case.
Having said that as discussed above driving 100 mph above speed limit especially in 20-40 zone is pure insanity and complete stupid and those who do so should be banned for life!
Paul
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I think the law works differently. It's up to Police to prove you did something wrong and not up to you to prove you didn't! It's the innocent presumption etc so you can tell what you want on forums I would think. Unless somebody can bring up some precedence case.
Having said that as discussed above driving 100 mph above speed limit especially in 20-40 zone is pure insanity and complete stupid and those who do so should be banned for life!
Paul
Someone I used to work with got banned for doing 63 in a 30, it was a road he drove regularly and goes from 60mph to 30mph limit, unfortunately for him having had 2 weeks holiday in america he returned home and the first day back at work he was banned for speeding as the council had moved the 30mph limit back some 350yards further up the road and there happend to a speed camera van parked up at the end, sneaky of them but he was still in the wrong as he should have seen the signs anyway
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I think the law works differently. It's up to Police to prove you did something wrong and not up to you to prove you didn't! It's the innocent presumption etc so you can tell what you want on forums I would think. Unless somebody can bring up some precedence case.
Having said that as discussed above driving 100 mph above speed limit especially in 20-40 zone is pure insanity and complete stupid and those who do so should be banned for life!
Paul
We use a reasonable driver test to prove offences so a driver clearly knows if he or she is driving below a standard required. No defence really unless there are reasons i.e emergency or life or death. But a court has to make that decision if the driving was reasonable given the situation.
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Wow i opened up a can of worms! :laugh:
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Wow i opened up a can of worms! :laugh:
....But a very interesting one :happy2:
It's good for us all to understand and share our attitudes via the forum. And ALL of us without exception can learn from discussion.
I have to say that if I felt that the majority of people on this forum had what I consider to be very irresponsible attitudes towards driving and road safety, then I would no longer want to be here. Fortunately that isn't the case so far.
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I hit a child in a 30 zone about 10 years ago. Thankfully the kid bounced down the side of the car, and other than a few minor scrapes and a sore head (he removed the wingmirror with his nuggin!) he was alright. Fortunately I was driving around 30, so had a chance to get on the brakes and swerve, but it did highlight how quickly stupid people can jump off the pavement and potentially cause a major issue!
Pleasingly there were numerous witnesses that stopped and confirmed to the rozzers that I'd done all that was reasonably possible and the kid had just bolted from the pavement. I was still breathalised, questioned, and made to feel culpable at first.
Whilst I disagree with plenty of speed limits (I'd happily drive flat out on the motorway if allowed and I judged the conditions appropriate), the potential to be utterly reamed if it does go wrong and it can be demonstrated you were speeding is very high and not a very pleasant prospect!
To get back on track - if you wanna try to top your car out in this country, an airfield day at RAF Odiham is a good place to start. Managed about 190 in a GT3-RS, and similar in a 997 Turbo. Feels slow on a wide open runway, as there's nothing to reference! As a bonus, despite being an airfield "track" day, the peri-track makes for a surprisingly good circuit.
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I was driving through Kings Lynn about 16-17 years ago, it was 2 lanes into town (30mph limit) and one was standstill the other had no cars in it so chose that lane and was pootling along doing 25mph (A royal mail postie in mail van was behind me) and out of nowhere from inbetween stationary cars in lane 1 came a teenage chinese lad, By the time my foot hit the brake he was already mounting the bonnet rolling up the screen over the top of the car and off the back off the tailgate, bizarrely he managed to take all 3 wiper blades with him!. I pulled over and got out and he jumped up and said he was OK and set off running, A woman a few cars ahead stopped him and sat him down as blood was gushing from his head, it was then that this woman decided I was speeding! :confused:, fortunately for me both the royal mail postie behind me and the guy whose car he came from in front of confirmed I was NOT speeding and was doing approx 20-25mph, the chinese lad (who was a 17y/o student) calmed down and said it was his fault entirely and the woman drove him to hospital (about 1.5 miles away), no police were involved.
My boss was not too happy tho as I had borrowed his company car (with full permission) to go get the Pizza for lunch and I brought hsi car back with a teenager sized dent on bonnet and no wipers :scared:
9 years ago similar thing happened to me again although this time it was an adult and he was a "Coloured Gent", he just ran straight out in front of me as I was driving through Oldham fortunately for him I saw him in time almost in time and slammed on the brakes and just managed to get him onto the bonnet and off the side of the car, he had no injuries apart from a few bruises. The police turned up and luckily for me a CCTV camera points down the street so I asked them to reveiw it (unsure if they did, but they were on the radio for 5 mins and then they were fine with me), they also breathalysed me too (0.00), that annoyed me a little tbh as I was being breathalysed for something that was in no way my fault. I asked about the dent on my bonnet and said "What happens about that?" and they said I would have to take it up with the guy I hit, fair play tho he offered to fix it and got a dent company to fix it for me (I was In a company car and did not want to claim) I think it only cost him £30 or something :happy2: