MK5 Golf GTI
General => Testing and Forum Suggestion Box => Topic started by: RedRobin on May 14, 2012, 10:56:01 am
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I'd like to suggest that sellers are obliged to post the price which their advertised goods finally sold for.
The reason for this suggestion is that without such information it can become extremely difficult to decide a fair price for another sale of the same goods. It's not such a problem if the goods were originally bought separately but for OEM items which came with the car it can be tricky.
Example: There are quite a few OEM GTI exhaust back boxes in the Wanted section but all people do is go straight into PM's and it's not consequently known how much an item sold for and hence what a fair asking price would be. I usually ask 50% of the original price but subject to condition, but this isn't always a fair market price.
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I don't agree to be honest.
One persons desperateness shouldn't be used as a bench mark for a value. I've bought items, after bartering, and I've bought items I thought priced to high (desperation for the product)
Neither of these reflected the true value.
What is a true value? It's what a buyer is willing to pay, in terms of forum selling anyway.
Someone has something for sale, and they advertise it at a price they'd like for the item. People accept the price as fair and purchase, or they come with a counter offer to either be cheeky or to negotiate a better price for the buyer, if the seller is happy they accept. That value shouldn't now be taken as an items value, as it's clearly not.
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Nah, I don't agree at all. Why should it be anyone else's business?
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I don't disagree with you, Moz.
The price an item sells for is a reflection of its value in the marketplace at that time. In other words, it's true worth is what someone pays for it - it's always been that way.
All I'm suggesting is a way in which this forum can enhance its value as a resource by having more public information about what items sell for. And, of course, a way in which bods like me can take the guesswork out of arriving at a selling price which is fair for both seller and buyer. Personally, I don't like bartering - This isn't the Souq in Marrakesh or Jerusalem etc.
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Nah, I don't agree at all. Why should it be anyone else's business?
....It's not a matter of wanting to know someone else's business, Andrew. It's just a matter of learning what certain items are sold for so that a seller (myself in this case) can offer an item at a fair and reasonable price. Or should I just pull any figure out of the air and either undersell it or waste time bartering?
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I don't disagree with you, Moz.
The price an item sells for is a reflection of its value in the marketplace at that time. In other words, it's true worth is what someone pays for it - it's always been that way.
All I'm suggesting is a way in which this forum can enhance its value as a resource by having more public information about what items sell for. And, of course, a way in which bods like me can take the guesswork out of arriving at a selling price which is fair for both seller and buyer. Personally, I don't like bartering - This isn't the Souq in Marrakesh or Jerusalem etc.
The British do suck at bartering, but it's down to the seller to accept or not, comparing dropping a fiver on a £45 item, isn't the same as being hounded and dropped 90% value at the Turkish markets, so silly comparison.
If the only reason you see is to use it to enhance the forum, why not look at the trading feedback score that other forums use. Similar to ebay, you rate your purchase on quality, accuracy, delivery etc. That's far more useful that someone knowing what I bought an air filter and some subframe bolts for.
to me anyway...
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If I sold an item I'd consider the price I accepted for it private information, and quite frankly no ones business by mine and the buyer. I would however, answer a PM from someone interested in how much it sold for.
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Nah, I don't agree at all. Why should it be anyone else's business?
....It's not a matter of wanting to know someone else's business, Andrew. It's just a matter of learning what certain items are sold for so that a seller (myself in this case) can offer an item at a fair and reasonable price. Or should I just pull any figure out of the air and either undersell it or waste time bartering?
Now you're just being silly.
If you're that desperate for a figure as you have no idea what it may be worth, have a look at what other items have been advertised for more widely, that should give you a more accurate figure, that shooting numbers ducks with a water pistol.
Don't take it personally, RR.
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If you really have no idea then it all comes down to making an educated guess. You know how much you paid for it, you know hold old it is and what condition it is, you also have the ability to revise the price should it not garner any interest. None of that it wasting people's time IMO.
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Isnt this what ebay is for RR?
I rarely actually sell things on ebay now due to the commission ebay and paypal take but its a good tool for gauging how much someone is willing to pay for an item.
I dont dislike your idea but its impossible to police and people may well just put over inflated prices to try to keep parts prices higher.
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But this forum isn't eGay Robin.
To my mind an individual (like you or me) decides what they are willing to sell an item for based on a few things:
- How much you originally paid
- How old it is/long you have had it
- How good/bad of a condition it is in
So you decide a price from that. You then post up and if people are willing to pay that price they will, if not then they will make a counter offer. If you don't want to haggle just put on your post "no offers" and then people won't.
Someone may offer a price for an item that doesn't sell and then 4/5 weeks down the line reduce the price to shift it on. This doesn't then mean every time the same item is sold everyone should accept the same price.
For example i have a Neuspeed Hi-Flo intercooler pipe for a K03 TFSi that i need to sell. I will post up what i feel is a fair price. If someone comes back to me with a sensible offer then i will consider it. If i am not willing to accept any offers then i will stick it for sale on eGay with a reserve price if nobody wants it on here.
I think most things get sold on here for 2 reasons:
- It's a performance part that is more likely to sell on here quickly than advertising on eGay for a week
- Forum members give other members a chance to grab a bargain before they post on eGay with a sense of "esprit de corps" to othe forum members
I don't think MK5GolfGTi suddnely needs to turn into a selling resource tool for all and sundry as that. from what i can gather, isn't what the forum is for.
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If you're that desperate for a figure as you have no idea what it may be worth, have a look at what other items have been advertised for more widely, that should give you a more accurate figure, that shooting numbers ducks with a water pistol.
Don't take it personally, RR.
....Looking more widely is exactly what has prompted me to post this topic. All I found was posts with no reference to price.
Can you find any posts which state how much an OEM GTI exhaust backbox has sold for? Or just OEM front discs? - I couldn't.
But I do accept people's reluctance to be more public about their prices and I can see the sense in what Carl and Andrew are saying :drinking:
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....Looking more widely is exactly what has prompted me to post this topic. All I found was posts with no reference to price.
Can you find any posts which state how much an OEM GTI exhaust backbox has sold for? Or just OEM front discs? - I couldn't.
But I do accept people's reluctance to be more public about their prices and I can see the sense in what Carl and Andrew are saying :drinking:
Not sure why you're deciding to target me to find the answers you couldn't, doesn't change from the opinion that I don't feel we should state what we sold items for.
Anyway, as you request;
Cat Back GTI Sold for £50.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Golf-GTI-Exhaust-Golf-MK5-Cat-Back-Exhaust-Golf-GTI-CatBack-Exhaust-2004-2009-/150812763027?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf|Plat_Gen%3AMK+V&hash=item231d242393
Sold for £49.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vw-Mk-5-Golf-Gti-Tdi-Exhaust-/251052031367?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a73ddfd87
Moved up a level to Blue Flame
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Golf-mk5-GTI-BLUEFLAME-EXHAUST-back-box-suitcase-delete-axle-back-exhaust-/200753412680?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ebdd5fa48
I could do the discs for you, but I literally don't see why I should.
I shouldn't have responded, but it's easy enough, RR.
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If I sold an item I'd consider the price I accepted for it private information, and quite frankly no ones business by mine and the buyer. I would however, answer a PM from someone interested in how much it sold for.
+1. It's a contract between seller and buyer.
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Thank You, Moz :drinking:
I don't know why I didn't succeed in finding via Google - Might be due to my Google Search prefs.
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Thank You, Moz :drinking:
I don't know why I didn't succeed in finding via Google - Might be due to my Google Search prefs.
Possibly, for prices, as above I always Ebay combined with what I paid for it and as said length of time and condition of the item.
Google searches to many parameters sometimes, so in this case, I just used Ebay and opted the Advanced search to include finished items, that way I can see what they went for.
Good luck in the sale!
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The price someone has agreed to sale an item will not reflect market value.
Slow Joe claimed he recently sold his mk5 GTI (on a 56 plate iirc) for 10.5K? Would you deem that as market value?
I think when selling, the seller sales/lists for the price he wants plus a % for the souq style haggle :signLOL:
Final price agreed is generally what the seller is willing to accept for the goods.
I can see both points of the arguement but final price disclosure "for me" should not be used as a benchmark.
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Hey guys - I think I was wrong to have made this suggestion and I have learned from your posts in response :drinking:
In my eagerness to try and work out some selling prices which I felt were fair to both buyer and seller (myself) I was keen to see what the items tended to sell for and was thwarted in my attempt to establish that.
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Hey guys - I think I was wrong to have made this suggestion and I have learned from your posts in response :drinking:
In my eagerness to try and work out some selling prices which I felt were fair to both buyer and seller (myself) I was keen to see what the items tended to sell for and was thwarted in my attempt to establish that.
Like I said I dont think it was a bad idea. Just impossible to police.
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Like I said I dont think it was a bad idea. Just impossible to police.
....I think you are the only guy (so far) who doesn't think it's not such a good idea. :happy2:
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Like I said I dont think it was a bad idea. Just impossible to police.
....I think you are the only guy (so far) who doesn't think it's not such a good idea. :happy2:
I dont think its a bad idea, but like others have said impossible to police, seller could sell for £50 and state £75 as sold price if he wanted :grin:
Regards Fee-pay I sell on there regularly and the fees that they charge and paypal charge are simply added to my selling price, if people are stupid enough to buy from Ebay and pay them 15% more rather than buy at 15% less from a direct website who am I to stop them (More money than sense), for me Ebay is a way of introducing new buyers to our website, once they bought once they get told about the website and the price difference and most buy from there instead (you always get some idiots who prefer to buy from ebay as they think Ebay offer them "Protection" which they dont, its only paypal that do that and our website only accepts paypal anyway!!
Regarding sales on forums, I find its exactly the opposite as someone else stated. I list things for a fair price and they dont sell on forums (not meaning this forum as not sold on here before), then you get sick of either no offers or people low-balling you so you stick it on Ebay for 15-20% more and it sells within a few days :happy2:.
Had an item for sale on 2 forums for 2 weeks at £55 shipped and had several offers of £30-35 shipped which I was not going to entertain, so after 2 weeks stuck it on Ebay at £75 shipped and it sold within 6 hours :signLOL:
Yes Ebay/paypal charge a lot (15% in total unless you have a 25% discount for volume sales) but they have Ten's of Millions of buyers rather than a few thousand members :happy2:
I still offer stuff for sale on forums on the off chance, but they account for about 0.5%
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If I can, I much prefer to sell on here than I would on The Devil's Junkyard of feeBay - I like to feel that goods are going onto cars which are appreciated and that it contributes (not financially) to the benefit of members of this community.
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think the idea was a good one but sellers and buyers like myself want to keep the transaction private :happy2:
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I guess that I'm someone who favours more transparency. I don't feel the need for transaction privacy in the context of buying and selling car stuff. But, as ever, ETTO :happy2:
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i think i is fairly obvious on this forum something is priced too high as it simply does not sell very quickly
for me going down the road of but so and so sold his for XX blah blah blah is just a backward step given circumstances come into the sale
for me the price agreed for items remains the business of the seller and purchaser
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I can see both sides of the story if I am honest.
1) Yes its nobodys business but the seller and buyer.
2) But in my early days on here I nearly bought an S3 Intercooler off a member which was more expensive than walking into Audi and buying it. He was basically seeing a noob and pricing accordingly. When I tried to warn people I just got lambasted by a Mod.
So yes point 2 makes it seem valid but point 1 overules point 2!
I can see where your coming from RR but its a private transaction.
I won't be selling anything on here anymore, if I can help it, as one particular member took it upon himself to arrange the purchase of my wheels via PM then offer me £150 less on the listing, twice! He got reported by me and other members but I suspect it will carry on.
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I won't be selling anything on here anymore, if I can help it, as one particular member took it upon himself to arrange the purchase of my wheels via PM then offer me £150 less on the listing, twice! He got reported by me and other members but I suspect it will carry on.
....Hindsight is an exact science but I think I would have refused his offers by PM and told him to make his offers publicly in your sale thread. I wouldn't let one or two members spoil it for you by not selling anything in future on this forum - Just do your own policing as far as possible.
People trying to 'negotiate' a purchase by PM without any public registration of serious interest in the seller's forum thread is something which I am strongly against - It's very underhand and furthermore completely undermines the fair principle of 'first dibs'. It's no better than a blind auction, IMO. However, such behaviour is virtually impossible to police unless forum Admin/Mods view all our PM's. There is a case for the PM feature to be switched off (if possible) and a forum section opened specifically for open messaging - Could be interesting but is anyone brave enough to instigate it, on first consideration it sounds unpopular but we would quickly get used to it. It ain't gonna happen though!
As this forum has increased its membership it can't help but include a wider variety of characters of people. Inevitably, some are less honest or open than others.
One thing that niggles me is why a purchasing transaction should be thought of as so strictly private by many folks on here - What have folks got to hide? This contradicts some of the same folks saying that purchase details should be declared in forum Reviews.
Enough said - We are all human and that's how most humans behave.
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You want to try selling on avforums! They are much bigger than this forum but I think we could learn something from them in regards to a classified section. You cannot pm someone about an item until a sale price is agreed on the thread for all to see, this is so future sales can reflect this price and to increase security. You cannot sell and item anywhere else at the same time as avforums. There are loads of other rules too that I can't be bothered typing out on my iPhone but their classifieds run very smoothly! So much public info that PayPal refunded 3people who paid a a member for some items he never shipped, they paid via gift however! So due to the structure of the sale they were very well protected
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You want to try selling on avforums! They are much bigger than this forum but I think we could learn something from them in regards to a classified section. You cannot pm someone about an item until a sale price is agreed on the thread for all to see, this is so future sales can reflect this price and to increase security. You cannot sell and item anywhere else at the same time as avforums. There are loads of other rules too that I can't be bothered typing out on my iPhone but their classifieds run very smoothly! So much public info that PayPal refunded 3people who paid a a member for some items he never shipped, they paid via gift however! So due to the structure of the sale they were very well protected
....Now THAT is exactly what I'm talking about! [said in a Seb Vettel voice]
But how do they police it?
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well for a start(because they are larger) they have more users with a high post count, people value their ability to use the forum. Its not quite like a car forum as once you sell the golf your next car might not be a golf, home av if a life time commitment! :grin: So once you post up an item (which has to follow a specific format) the thread is then monitored by mods, so if you suddenly say sold you would be asked why? and given an infraction (a points system that doesn't = prizes but a ban) you cant compare prices to ebay (think this is quite good, this is because an item sold by a enthusiast is more likely to be in better condition + its not a auction) I personally dont think there is a problem with it, someone says a want £1000 for this projector and on the tread you offer him £800, he says no but we can meet in the middle at £900, if you then say no and walk away the £900 is now the new asking price for the projector.
Give me a moment i will go copy and paste their rules.
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here is a link:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/view_trading_rules.htm
some good stuff, not everything wold work here, their site is ran a little more like a business, this site is more friendly and the mod more....likely to take the pi$$ out of you :signLOL: rather than ban you!
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It seems to me that without losing its friendliness, this site might benefit from applying some of those trading rules and that it would only make this site even better.
I hope that SteveP and his gang of pisstakers will at least give it some serious consideration. TC pisstake? Nah! Never!! :laugh:
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home av if a life time commitment! :grin:
Tell me about it :laugh: