MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Sammy on May 21, 2012, 05:19:14 pm
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I got my car checked up today for the excessive smoke that was coming from the exhaust, The mechanic said that its because of the piston rings and i probably need a full engine rebuild. I dont know what has causen this must have been the wrong map for the injectors and turbo, Does anyone know how long a rebuild will take? Also what are the symptoms of failing piston rings?
Labour charges what am i lookng at?
This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me :sad1:
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Probably easier and cheaper to get hold of an ED30/Cupra engine and fit it. Cost £3k to do this.
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The reason was because you was boosting it with no correct map/fueling and timing??????
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I would agree with the above unfortunately
Best would be to get low mileage engine and swap perhaps and then you would be able to recoup some money by shifting K04 etc
Paul
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As said, easier to get a K04 lump, its a better engine than the K03 lump anyway.
Something like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-LEON-2-0-TFSI-CUPRA-ENGINE-BWJ-CODE-PETROL-/400295818613?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d337d7575
Shame but as said, maybe because you was giving it beans before it had been mapped?
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You really want to get a compression test done unless you already have? If the technician is solely dedicated to your rebuild, it could take as little as 6/7 days, including engine removal and refitting. I'd assume the bores would just need honing. I'd personally go down the rebuild route. Used engines can also be unreliable, at least when you have rebuilt it you'll know it's pretty sound. You could also uprate the specification to support further modification at a later date. I rebuilt my Supra engine in about a month, but most of the time was consumed waiting for machining/parts.
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Yeah i have been boosting it around for a while but never knew it would be this serious, Engine swap is definately impossible due to funds.
I have to stick to just changing the piston rings, Is this a going to take a long time? And what should i expect to pay in labour costs?
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You really want to get a compression test done unless you already have? If the technician is solely dedicated to your rebuild, it could take as little as 6/7 days, including engine removal and refitting. I'd assume the bores would just need honing. I'd personally go down the rebuild route. Used engines can also be unreliable, at least when you have rebuilt it you'll know it's pretty sound. You could also uprate the specification to support further modification at a later date. I rebuilt my Supra engine in about a month, but most of the time was consumed waiting for machining/parts.
No Luke i havnt done that yet, What is that and what will it tell me exactly? They have told me it will take 3 days max to do but said £800 labour charge, Does that seem ok?
Also they said because it is a aluminium block they may need to thread some bolts that might not seal back properly which again they said will cost me £50 per bolt, Does this all seem right?
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Ouch!!
I must admit I did wonder if you would be posting a thread like this when you said you were running a K03 map. Anyway I hope it doesn't work out too costly for you :sad1:
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I just hope it's not scored the cylinders
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Sorry to hear this Sammy. I'd be devastated too. I'd contact the many wise old heads on here and see what they would do in your position before making a decision on rebuild v new but used engine. :grouphug:
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Sorry to hear this Sammy. I'd be devastated too. I'd contact the many wise old heads on here and see what they would do in your position before making a decision on rebuild v new but used engine. :grouphug:
Id love to do a engine swap but theres no way i would be able to pay for it way out of budget unfortunately
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It will still be a substantial amount of coinage. You are looking at £500-1k even if it is just the rings and that's using an independant VAG specialist. This is all assuming that the initial diagnosis of the car is correct.
I know £3k is a lot, but you'll be getting a fully guaranteed, used K04 engine including the turbo, injectors etc and fitted for that price.
I've seen three or four have the same engine swap before for the same price at Statllers. :happy2:
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I'm not entirely sure why they would want to re-thread any bolts, head bolts should be changed as a matter of course, if these are the bolts they're referring to. A compression test is pretty much as it sounds, showing the compression created in each cylinder. This would show if piston rings are worn by having little or no compression in the cylinder. As said, if the cylinders are badly scorn you may need to machine and fit oversized pistons/rings. £800 isn't too bad if you consider what is being done, if that includes honing/machining too. Especially when you think just a cambelt can be £400 odd alone.
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I'd say that it certainly must a result of running a K03 map with a K04 turbo, and booting it whilst you're at it.
Given the recent turbo upgrade,I do sympathise and i feel that it must have been really hard not to give it some beans, and I genuinely hope that the £ damage caused is not too great.
Without wanting to knock down the mechanic you're using, is he knowledgeable on the 2.0TFSI? If not, it really may be better to see a specialist such as JKM, R-Tech, Jabba etc, and get everything sorted in one hit.
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Firtsly, what are the symptoms and how was the cause diagnosed as piston rings?
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Full S3 engine in for sale section :happy2:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,48065.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,48065.0.html)
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Firtsly, what are the symptoms and how was the cause diagnosed as piston rings?
Basically i was driving 2 days ago in the morning and noticed quite a bit of smoke from the rear i thought its normal and didnt see it again as i hit the motorway, 80 miles later i had misfire from spark plugs.
I then drove to the garage who changed out the spargplugs but by now there is loads of smoke present coming out the exhaust.
After spark plug swap took it for a short drive and realised it started misfiring again, So car got back to garage and pulled out plugs to see there is oil on the tip of the plugs,
The mechanic then pointed out that it is not a faulty turbo (What i thought it was originally) and that it is the piston rings.
This is the where I have come up to with the mechanic so i really dont know if he knows what hes talking about
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You need a second opinion from somebody who knows what he is talking about.
Then if its the same outcome, rag it until it finally goes pop while you save up :evilgrin:
Then buy a complete k04 lump and slot it in.
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Get a compression test done to be 100%.
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Get a compression test done to be 100%.
This ^^^^^ :happy2:
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Get a compression test done to be 100%.
This ^^^^^ :happy2:
Agreed but for now got to hope and pray its nothing major!
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What else can lead the oil to the spark plugs? Also do any of my symptoms show turbo failure?
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Its not an alloy block on the TFSi engines.
I would look more into the pistons being damaged rather than the rings. Sounds like you have had loads of det which just ends up melting pistons.
Fair price at £800, but it doesnt really sound like this place knows the TFSi engine very well.
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Turbo failure is usually a noticeable lack of power.
Is this the same car with hardware mods recently fitted but not a matching remap? On the face of it I would stay well away from that garage who didn't advise you appropriately.
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So what is the block made of in the TFSI? If it is the pistons surely i should go and get S3 ones if i have to change them anyways?
Yes Robin it is the same car with the K04 fitted recently
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So what is the block made of in the TFSI? If it is the pistons surely i should go and get S3 ones if i have to change them anyways?
Yes Robin it is the same car with the K04 fitted recently
That really lightweight cast iron :wink:
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As others have said I would seriously consider dropping a ed30/S3 engine. I had issues with my ko3 Gti which had a Ko4 conversion in the end I went to Steve@Statlers and had a low mileage S3 engine fitted. The car has run like a dream ever since and was the best decision I could of made.
Geordie has a low mileage engine in the classifieds which I would be very tempted by if I was in your position. I also suggest you take the car to be diagnosed by the tuners who work on these Tfsi cars every day rather than your local mechanic.
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Does the engine oil smell of fuel??
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I would deffo go with what people have said on here and get a compression test done by someone who really does know their way around these engines. Not wanting to diss your mechanic but it really doesn't sound as if you have had much good advice from the start. It could be anything that is making your car smoke as it is. Is it a constant smoking? It could be down to the map anything. Get the compression test done and dont worry too much until you have a full prognosis.
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If the fuel pump has a problem, fuel will be getting in the crankcase and washing the cylinder walls and potentially getting into the combustion chamber giving you oily looking plugs and sh*te loads of smoke..
compression test as like has been also recommended by some, and if you have fuel smelling oil, then remove the fuel pump and check that.
These engines are pretty robust unless you are modding silly power which you aren't .
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Dude, i have just been reading one of your other topics. You said Oil light had come on so you topped up with 2ltrs of oil. With oil on minimum theres no way it should take 2 ltrs.
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Colour of smoke?
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Thanks for the advice guys, but as said before its near impossible for a engine swap as that would mean car parked for 2 months while I save up.
Yes your right about the oil I topped up past the max which was a mistake, it has now been drained to the correct level.
The fuel pump problem seems likely too aswell but surely that would come up on diagnostics? I will get that checked after compression test.
The colour of the smoke is white mostly and sometimes black slightly PDT
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White = water
blue = oil
Black/grey = fuel
Find a local specialist that an carry out a leakdown compression test and has a bore scope.
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Sounds like the last car your mechanic worked on was a Morris Ital. I haven't heard of anyone's rings going. Take it somewhere used to complex modern kit.
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Thanks for the advice guys, but as said before its near impossible for a engine swap as that would mean car parked for 2 months while I save up.
Yes your right about the oil I topped up past the max which was a mistake, it has now been drained to the correct level.
The fuel pump problem seems likely too aswell but surely that would come up on diagnostics? I will get that checked after compression test.
The colour of the smoke is white mostly and sometimes black slightly PDT
too much oil + white smoke = cracked cylinder head/head gasket?
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White = water
blue = oil
Black/grey = fuel
Find a local specialist that an carry out a leakdown compression test and has a bore scope.
White isn't always water. If a turbo dies or a piston fails then it can be a white/grey smoke.
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White = water
blue = oil
Black/grey = fuel
Find a local specialist that an carry out a leakdown compression test and has a bore scope.
White isn't always water. If a turbo dies or a piston fails then it can be a white/grey smoke.
Yes, I agree. Oil can be white/grey if the oil isnt being burnt. Piston ring failure usually causes the oil to burn as part of the combustion process and gives blue smoke due to the higher burn temperature. Oil burning at lowrer temps i.e in the exhaust from the heat inside a cat for example is likely to burn white/light grey.
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Not a good idea driving it hard with the k04 and with he k03 N75 mapping, I would say you could have been boosting to 30+psi with ease. :confused:
You could have easy popped the turbine seals allowing oil to be dumped into the down pipe or blow the head gasket?
To echo all the comments above, you need to get it checked out by a a vag specialist, not someone who thinks of the first think that springs to mind (piston rings) There are many tests a mechanic can do on the engine to pin point the cause, much better then guess work.
What PCV are you using?
Nick
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Yeah I know I have made a huge mistake driving it hard, I am using the BSH PCV revamp plate nick
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Yeah I know I have made a huge mistake driving it hard
....What's done is now done but several of us strongly advised you to granny it until you got the appropriate remap. You have now learnt something the hard way. I hope this can be correctly diagnosed quickly so your suffering isn't extended.
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ouch dude, put ur old pvc system back on and see if you get white smoke. i get while smoke everynow and then due to my catch can.
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I doubt its the pcv revamp becuase its been fine for months any smoke i seen before would be minor this smoke just looks dangerous, Its like pouring out with smoke
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Any chance of a quick video???
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I have a good low mileage s3 engine for sale in the for sale section, just let me know what route you are taking and of it will be of any interest. Cheers. Good luck.
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Just hope for your sake you dont have to go down the road I went down to try and solve the problem.
When my rings died I'm sure it was black/grey smoke mine was pumping out :stupid: hardly used any oil since work was all done compared to what it was guzzling before rings and valve stem oil seals were done
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Just hope for your sake you dont have to go down the road I went down to try and solve the problem.
When my rings died I'm sure it was black/grey smoke mine was pumping out :stupid: hardly used any oil since work was all done compared to what it was guzzling before rings and valve stem oil seals were done
Do you mean the oil usage was very heavy at the time your rings went? What caused your rings to go?
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yes mate, was guzzling oil really badly.
No idea what happened, replaced allsorts, spent months in garages, all sorted eventually.
everyone I knew that drove behind me comented on the clouds of smoke the car threw out. Spent around £4k in the end, replaced loads of parts that didnt need doing.
Youre best bet is to take it to a good vw specialist that knows what theyre doing
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damn so what was the problem at the end also do you remember the part numbers for the rings or the things that actually needed replacing?
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Very interesting thread for me...I was considering keeping my K04 on the car but returning it to standard map and selling intake, inter cooler, HPFP, etc if I could not sell the car 'as is'. I may need to rethink that one!
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Very interesting thread for me...I was considering keeping my K04 on the car but returning it to standard map and selling intake, inter cooler, HPFP, etc if I could not sell the car 'as is'. I may need to rethink that one!
Since you're running revo then setting the sps to "standard" map should allow you to do the above.
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So what is the block made of in the TFSI? If it is the pistons surely i should go and get S3 ones if i have to change them anyways?
Yes Robin it is the same car with the K04 fitted recently
That really lightweight cast iron :wink:
Does that mean there shouldnt be any bolts to thread back on? When they mentioned the threading the bolts back on can cost £300 on top of the labour charge given it seems very steeep
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I'm not entirely sure why they would want to re-thread any bolts, head bolts should be changed as a matter of course, if these are the bolts they're referring to. A compression test is pretty much as it sounds, showing the compression created in each cylinder. This would show if piston rings are worn by having little or no compression in the cylinder. As said, if the cylinders are badly scorn you may need to machine and fit oversized pistons/rings. £800 isn't too bad if you consider what is being done, if that includes honing/machining too. Especially when you think just a cambelt can be £400 odd alone.
If i get new head bolts do they not need re threading then? £800 is the initial price tomorrow after compression I am going to use my haggling skills to bring that right down
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Thanks for the advice guys, but as said before its near impossible for a engine swap as that would mean car parked for 2 months while I save up.
Yes your right about the oil I topped up past the max which was a mistake, it has now been drained to the correct level.
The fuel pump problem seems likely too aswell but surely that would come up on diagnostics? I will get that checked after compression test.
The colour of the smoke is white mostly and sometimes black slightly PDT
too much oil + white smoke = cracked cylinder head/head gasket?
My thoughts also. Kicking the sh*t out of the car whilst having too much oil in wont have done any good what so ever
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This seems to be a typical example of a garage going off course without letting the owner have too much detail. If they suggest things need doing, ask which things. Ask why they need doing, what caused it and how they intend to fix it. If you do want to let this garage do the work for you the least they can do is explain exactly what work will be done. Ask all the questions you can think of, it's their job to answer them at the end of the day. That way, you can let us know exactly what's being done and people here can provide further advice/support. It's either that or take it to a highly recommended technician on here whose advice you don't need to question. :happy2:
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I'm not entirely sure why they would want to re-thread any bolts, head bolts should be changed as a matter of course, if these are the bolts they're referring to. A compression test is pretty much as it sounds, showing the compression created in each cylinder. This would show if piston rings are worn by having little or no compression in the cylinder. As said, if the cylinders are badly scorn you may need to machine and fit oversized pistons/rings. £800 isn't too bad if you consider what is being done, if that includes honing/machining too. Especially when you think just a cambelt can be £400 odd alone.
If i get new head bolts do they not need re threading then? £800 is the initial price tomorrow after compression I am going to use my haggling skills to bring that right down
Dont do ANY haggling with them at all. You have been told the correct course of action. Take the car to a proper VW tuner that knows the engine. Or we will see another thread in a few weeks at how you spunked another £800 on a partial engine rebuild for it to then die again.
You have been warned several times by people. Be humble and heed the advice.
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Dont do ANY haggling with them at all. You have been told the correct course of action. Take the car to a proper VW tuner that knows the engine. Or we will see another thread in a few weeks at how you spunked another £800 on a partial engine rebuild for it to then die again.
You have been warned several times by people. Be humble and heed the advice.
[/quote] :congrats: harsh but true
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+1 ^^^^^^^^^^
My head hurts reading this,You knew the car wasnt set up right and still chose to rag the ass out of it Sammy.
You have been told to take the car to a VW specialist so do it as it will save you some money in the long run although i feel you are about to fork out some very serious dollars..
Good luck tho.
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+2 ^^^^^^^
Sammy sorry to kick you when your down, but listen to what your being told, it's sound advise and will save you £££ at the end of the day :innocent:
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the advice given is sound.
If you take it to the person quoting the cheapest price usually they dont know whats going to be involved (if its significantly cheaper) and in the end it will cost you more.
Take it to one of the many known VAG indys and get them to take a look, their quote will be more but im confident that the price your quoted will be all you have to pay to resolve this issue for good.
You have been told off enough for booting it :signLOL:
I have been in a similar situation where funds are very tight and i need my car, guys on here gave the best advice, replace the lot rather than chasing what "might" be the issue. Fortunately for me replacing the fuel pump is nothing like the cost of replacing the engine. 3k fitted - the sale of all your salvageable bits might not be too harsh.
Get all the diagnostics done for a definitive cause and issue then way up the cost and benefits of solutions.
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Very interesting thread for me...I was considering keeping my K04 on the car but returning it to standard map and selling intake, inter cooler, HPFP, etc if I could not sell the car 'as is'. I may need to rethink that one!
Since you're running revo then setting the sps to "standard" map should allow you to do the above.
Good point :happy2: You think just setting B/T/F to zero would be enough to avoid Sammy's situation?
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Good point :happy2: You think just setting B/T/F to zero would be enough to avoid Sammy's situation?
I had asked Revo Kev in the past if the stock (vs performance) sps setting did anything with a stage 3 map and he responded positively saying everything would be turned down. I assumed from his response that the stock setting would equate to a standard ed30. I would confirm this with revo though before attempting this.
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The garage that quoted me £800 definately knows what they are doing and are properly qualified. I have used them for the last 4 years trouble free, and the labour work is 100% guanrateed so say something is faulty and they done the fitting wrong they will make sure my car car is running perfect without charging me anything extra.
They have explained what needs doing completely and is always willing to answer any questions I have without trouble, I doubt they have ever done a rebuild on a TFSI engine but at the end of the day its on their hands to do it right, If they rebuild and something is wrong i will make them do it again without paying a penny
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The garage that quoted me £800 definately knows what they are doing and are properly qualified. I have used them for the last 4 years trouble free, and the labour work is 100% guanrateed so say something is faulty and they done the fitting wrong they will make sure my car car is running perfect without charging me anything extra.
They have explained what needs doing completely and is always willing to answer any questions I have without trouble, I doubt they have ever done a rebuild on a TFSI engine but at the end of the day its on their hands to do it right, If they rebuild and something is wrong i will make them do it again without paying a penny
Make sure you say this to them clear as day. £800 for a working car.
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The garage that quoted me £800 definately knows what they are doing and are properly qualified. I have used them for the last 4 years trouble free, and the labour work is 100% guanrateed so say something is faulty and they done the fitting wrong they will make sure my car car is running perfect without charging me anything extra.
They have explained what needs doing completely and is always willing to answer any questions I have without trouble, I doubt they have ever done a rebuild on a TFSI engine but at the end of the day its on their hands to do it right, If they rebuild and something is wrong i will make them do it again without paying a penny
Make sure you say this to them clear as day. £800 for a working car.
Definately will, I will also update on how low i can push this price down to, For my k04 conversion includng injectors, S3 intercooler and 2 full days labour they charged me £300 which was haggled down from £500 and it didnt even take me a minute to bring that down, It shows what they are thinking really then
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I doubt they have ever done a rebuild on a TFSI engine but at the end of the day its on their hands to do it right, If they rebuild and something is wrong i will make them do it again without paying a penny
This is the part that worries me. Why use someone that doesn't know the TFSI engine inside & out? They may agree that the £800 you pay is all you pay, or you could encounter 'extras' on the way that may result in an increased fee. If you don't pay, you could be left with a stalemate situation, and a substantial delay in you receiving a fully functioning car.
Again, I really hope that they know what they're doing and you get the car back asap with no further dramas.
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I have a good low mileage s3 engine for sale in the for sale section, just let me know what route you are taking and of it will be of any interest. Cheers. Good luck.
^^^This^^^
That's the way I'd be going anyway, then sell the spare ancilliaries off your old engine to get some cash back.
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I would use properly qualified workshop with plenty TFSI experience even if I have to spend a little bit more as in the long run it is never worth it. If they quoted you 500 and you managed to push it down to 300 that says something about them..... They overquoted a lot which indicates theeir intent might have not been genuine in the first place....
I am surprised you're using the same workshop who installed K04 as they didn't warn you about the cosequences of driving without the proper map which might indicate the above??
Just my thoughts and you will do as you like but plenty of experience here which you can use to your benefit
Paul
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I would use properly qualified workshop with plenty TFSI experience even if I have to spend a little bit more as in the long run it is never worth it. If they quoted you 500 and you managed to push it down to 300 that says something about them..... They overquoted a lot which indicates theeir intent might have not been genuine in the first place....
I am surprised you're using the same workshop who installed K04 as they didn't warn you about the cosequences of driving without the proper map which might indicate the above??
Just my thoughts and you will do as you like but plenty of experience here which you can use to your benefit
Paul
+1 What have the folks who fitted the K04 said???
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I really think sammy should be left to his own devices on this one. He has told everyone he intends to use the same garage who did the work from the start, we have all given him our advice and what we would do and He has chosen to ignore all. I do sympathise with your position Sammy but because of all of the above, "i'm out".
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No gazon they did advice me, they said I should get it mapped. I know who am dealing with they never let me down and answered every question and I am more then confident to do any jobs with them.
Anyways I just had the compression test done and all cylinders read the same! So that maybe good news now considering my pistons are not fooked
The only problem I have now is oil getting to the spark plugs and smoke although the smoke has reduced now compared to yesterday so now maybe this was all down to putting too much engine oil in?
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No gazon they did advice me, they said I should get it mapped. I know who am dealing with they never let me down and answered every question and I am more then confident to do any jobs with them.
Anyways I just had the compression test done and all cylinders read the same! So that maybe good news now considering my pistons are not fooked
The only problem I have now is oil getting to the spark plugs and smoke although the smoke has reduced now compared to yesterday so now maybe this was all down to putting too much engine oil in?
Are you sure its not oil fuel mix washing your pistons like I said, and a bad fuel pump issue like I said? Have they removed it alone with its cam follower?
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No gazon they did advice me, they said I should get it mapped. I know who am dealing with they never let me down and answered every question and I am more then confident to do any jobs with them.
Anyways I just had the compression test done and all cylinders read the same! So that maybe good news now considering my pistons are not fooked
The only problem I have now is oil getting to the spark plugs and smoke although the smoke has reduced now compared to yesterday so now maybe this was all down to putting too much engine oil in?
Are you sure its not oil fuel mix washing your pistons like I said, and a bad fuel pump issue like I said? Have they removed it alone with its cam follower?
I havnt forgotten that no, am just waiting on a spark plug to be fitted and after that I the second thing I am going to check
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What should I be looking out for in the fuel pump and cam follower?
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Are you sure its not oil fuel mix washing your pistons like I said, and a bad fuel pump issue like I said? Have they removed it alone with its cam follower?
I'm confused and have no idea what you are saying here Steve.
Are you suggesting that the fuel is mixing with the oil in the sump and this is washing down the walls of the cylinders or do you mean because the engine is over-fuelling that the cylinder walls are being washed down and also producing large amounts of smoke?
If the former then you should see the oil level creeping up the dipstick if the later then a compression test should be enough.
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Are you sure its not oil fuel mix washing your pistons like I said, and a bad fuel pump issue like I said? Have they removed it alone with its cam follower?
I'm confused and have no idea what you are saying here Steve.
Are you suggesting that the fuel is mixing with the oil in the sump and this is washing down the walls of the cylinders or do you mean because the engine is over-fuelling that the cylinder walls are being washed down and also producing large amounts of smoke?
If the former then you should see the oil level creeping up the dipstick if the later then a compression test should be enough.
I done a compression test which resulted on all cylinders being the same pressure, What else could it be, I am still to check fuel pump, overfueeling can cause smoke? Or too much engine oil in the engine?
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I had a compression test done and all was ok with mine, I had a cylinder leakdown test aswell and that was ok also
If I recall it might have been something to do with the scraper rings not pulling the oil back off the cylinder walls
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If your fuel pump was fubar'd then it leaks fuel into the sump and the oil level rises on the dipstick.
When injecting fuel the ECU tells the injector how long to stay open for the given load, rpm and loads more parameters. In you case the hole is bigger so that time will allow much more fuel in than a K03 injector.
The easy way to tell is check the long term fuel trims with VCDS which I believe someone already suggested elsewhere. :happy2:
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If your fuel pump was fubar'd then it leaks fuel into the sump and the oil level rises on the dipstick.
When injecting fuel the ECU tells the injector how long to stay open for the given load, rpm and loads more parameters. In you case the hole is bigger so that time will allow much more fuel in than a K03 injector.
The easy way to tell is check the long term fuel trims with VCDS which I believe someone already suggested elsewhere. :happy2:
The lamdba would regulate the fuelling to suit though surely. same as running a HPFP on a standard map?
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I had a compression test done and all was ok with mine, I had a cylinder leakdown test aswell and that was ok also
If I recall it might have been something to do with the scraper rings not pulling the oil back off the cylinder walls
So your problem was engine based which caused you to strip it all out?
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When injecting fuel the ECU tells the injector how long to stay open for the given load, rpm and loads more parameters. In you case the hole is bigger so that time will allow much more fuel in than a K03 injector.
So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling
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The lamdba would regulate the fuelling to suit though surely. same as running a HPFP on a standard map?
Perhaps it can't if there is too much fuel. I may be wrong here but fuel trim can only go so far.
Anyone remember Illyun's Ed30 that had the wrong high pressure sensor fitted at the factory. Fuel trim baled him out so far but when pushed could only alter it so much.
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So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling
Rather than asking for explanations of plugs coated in fuel stop driving the car and take it to a VAG specialist.
Rather than us sit here and speculate around which part of your engine you have fooked get it looked at by someone who knows what they are talking about and can give you a get well plan.
Failing that have the old injectors replaced.
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So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling
Rather than asking for explanations of plugs coated in fuel stop driving the car and take it to a VAG specialist.
Rather than us sit here and speculate around which part of your engine you have fooked get it looked at by someone who knows what they are talking about and can give you a get well plan.
Failing that have the old injectors replaced.
Thats what I am doing? I am taking it and trying different things and coming back to see what people say. The garage I take it to they are VAG specialists, They do mainly german cars and do alot of tuning on jap cars, But otherwise they have their hands are on Vw, audis, skodas etc and have a ex dealer mechanc too whos not in
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Fuel mixed with oil ian will pass the piston and oil scraper ring really easy, and would cause possible uniform oily plugs . Knowing the history of theses fuel pumps on these earlier model cars is the reason I'm drawn to my conclusion. As an engineer in past times. That is why my theory is drawn to that.
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Are you still driving it? :confused:
I'd follow Hedge's advice If I were you, and get it to a VAG specialist with a good reputation on this forum, leave it there and get them to find out what it is and fix it. Driving it is surely causing more problems?
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Good point :happy2: You think just setting B/T/F to zero would be enough to avoid Sammy's situation?
I had asked Revo Kev in the past if the stock (vs performance) sps setting did anything with a stage 3 map and he responded positively saying everything would be turned down. I assumed from his response that the stock setting would equate to a standard ed30. I would confirm this with revo though before attempting this.
Cheers, that's whati will do ;)
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So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling
Rather than asking for explanations of plugs coated in fuel stop driving the car and take it to a VAG specialist.
Rather than us sit here and speculate around which part of your engine you have fooked get it looked at by someone who knows what they are talking about and can give you a get well plan.
Failing that have the old injectors replaced.
Thats what I am doing? I am taking it and trying different things and coming back to see what people say. The garage I take it to they are VAG specialists, They do mainly german cars and do alot of tuning on jap cars, But otherwise they have their hands are on Vw, audis, skodas etc and have a ex dealer mechanc too whos not in
If You will pick good VAG specialist You will not have to ask so many questions here as problem and solution will be explained by them to You, as You said they do not have experience on TFSI so how they can know what they doing ??
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So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling
Rather than asking for explanations of plugs coated in fuel stop driving the car and take it to a VAG specialist.
Rather than us sit here and speculate around which part of your engine you have fooked get it looked at by someone who knows what they are talking about and can give you a get well plan.
Failing that have the old injectors replaced.
Thats what I am doing? I am taking it and trying different things and coming back to see what people say. The garage I take it to they are VAG specialists, They do mainly german cars and do alot of tuning on jap cars, But otherwise they have their hands are on Vw, audis, skodas etc and have a ex dealer mechanc too whos not in
If You will pick good VAG specialist You will not have to ask so many questions here as problem and solution will be explained by them to You, as You said they do not have experience on TFSI so how they can know what they doing ??
A TFSI is not a alien engine is almost the same as others, your talking like its some complicated machine its not, I said they work on loads of VW's and audis so it is in good hands there, What can go wrong if they will make sure the car is running and wll not charge me more then quoted as they have pointed out the problem to me
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A TFSI is not a alien engine is almost the same as others, your talking like its some complicated machine its not, I said they work on loads of VW's and audis so it is in good hands there, What can go wrong if they will make sure the car is running and wll not charge me more then quoted as they have pointed out the problem to me
....Is this the same garage that did the work for you in the first place but didn't advise you about the importance of the remap?
Or did they advise you but you ignored the advice (as you ignored people's advice here about needing to drive it like a granny) and now find yourself with this problem?
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The fuel would have been fine with the S3 injectors there is enough room for the ecu to correct the lambda by means of MULT fuel trims, as long as the 02 sensor is working the fuel will be fine as its only a 13-16% gain on peak flow.
I would have said the issue was from tool much inital peak boost and heat build up.
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I would have said the issue was from tool much inital peak boost and heat build up.
....And is that issue not promoted by injudicious use of the right foot?
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No I doubt it is because of the way I drove, just a problem that occurred from no where, What do u think nick? Hat are likely causes turbo? Fuel pump?
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i do have a spare fuel pump. i remember what my car was like when i put the k04 on, engine did get mega hot just driving around, think this was due to the duty request.
take your cat off and see if the turbo is full of oil.
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So do you mean all my car needs is to get remapped properly to suit the turbo and injectors? You didn't get any misfires did u?
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yea i did misfire, that is why i was shocked when u said u trashed it. I could hardly move lol. but i did have a stage 1 remap?
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Seriously you had misfire? That's interesting so maybe because mine is mapped to stage 2 it's causing smoke too? How did you manage to get it to r tech with a misfire on it?
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well it went to amd first, as i could not drive all the way to nick as it run like a dog.
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well it went to amd first, as i could not drive all the way to nick as it run like a dog.
What did AMD do to sort it out? Did your misfiring stop after their map? I still have a 3 week wait till am in r tech so I need a solution for this fast as r tech will not map my car how it is
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well it depends on the level of misfire mate, try to new plugs and coil packs. if you have been trashing, i can bet you killed them also lol.
amd mapped my car first but that is a different story.
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Sort of a update:
Since the morning we have been diagnosing the car in different ways, We pulled out the plugs and they seemed better then the last time they were pulled out. So this time i put on some spare coilpacks on and the misfire has gone now but just like before i dont know if it will start again in a hour, I am taking it very easy for now though, and the smoke may be purely due to not being mapped yet as i can tell fuel has gone down the drain, So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel
half tank to quarter tank 30 miles driving like a granny :laugh:
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So maybe after all this it may have been a coilpack?
Sounds like the garage definately knows what its doing :signLOL:
Even I would have changed a coilpack before a spark plug :stupid:
Did they even scan it with VCDS? That would have told them what cylinder the misfire was on?
You have been given good advice on where to go from the likes of Alex, PDT, R-Tech its now your choice.
But why would you listen to me as you have not bothered with anybody else with 4k plus posts!
Good luck as you will need it!
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Do your insurance know about these mods? Judging by your aversion to spending money, I'm guessing no?
I wouldn't touch your car with a sh*tty stick if I was R-Tek, they'd just be asking for a world of pain when it blows up due to lack of maintainence and you try blaming anyone who ever looked at it.
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this thread is so over :popcornsoda:
and just a waste of keyboard
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You're STILL driving it? :stupid:
If Hedge & Richwig83 (let alone all the others who have advised you) suggested something to me, I'd do it like a shot. Unbelievable.
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Yeah, it's not as if folks are giving what might be termed as debateable advice or trying to impress anyone with knowledge they might not have. It's simples.
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No who said its sorted? :confused:
Theres still white smoke but the misfire seems to be gone
Its over for you kreigal because you dont have no idea so stay out of it just because you dont know anything doesnt mean its over mind your own business
Am asking questions here to get advice not to be told to take it somewhere else just because some of you dont know the answer doesnt mean it has to go to a specialist.
When someone opens a thread and asks for help do you just tell them go here and there no you dont you say what that problem is thats if you know and if you dont stay out of the thread! :fighting:
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with all due respect bud, your mechanic doesn't know what's wrong with it either - if they've never worked on a TFSI engine before (which i believe you may have alluded to earlier) then the advice of key forum members is far more valuable than your mechanic's.
it's like this: if you don't want advice then don't ask for it. if you've asked for it, then listen to it.
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with all due respect bud, your mechanic doesn't know what's wrong with it either - if they've never worked on a TFSI engine before (which i believe you may have alluded to earlier) then the advice of key forum members is far more valuable than your mechanic's.
it's like this: if you don't want advice then don't ask for it. if you've asked for it, then listen to it.
Am listening to every advice being given, Getting it checked up somewhere else is up to me and I am considering that option but firstly I want to see if I can bring out the fault myself if not then obviously it would got there anyways?
And the hassle to get my car towed somewhere else is another thing so maybe its easier to diagnose and find the fault myself before taking it elsewere
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Is white smoke no associated with water, have you checked your oil cap for sludge? but have blown a headgasket...
As for misfires, if there's a fault code it will be a coil pack, if no code it's a plug...
I also feel sorry for the company that sorts this and then anything to happen in the future, but best of luck...
Oh and please confirm all mods are declared... Thanks.
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Is white smoke no associated with water, have you checked your oil cap for sludge? but have blown a headgasket...
As for misfires, if there's a fault code it will be a coil pack, if no code it's a plug...
I also feel sorry for the company that sorts this and then anything to happen in the future, but best of luck...
Oh and please confirm all mods are declared... Thanks.
The next thing I am going to check is the headgasket as adviced by r tech and then the turbo.
There were fault codes yes and coilpacks and sparkplugs have been changed
Yes every single mod declared thanks
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Are the turbo's water cooled?
Surely the first thing would be a compression test if this hasn't already been mentioned? Wouldn't bothered changing plugs if there was a fault showing...
Good good.
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Are the turbo's water cooled?
Surely the first thing would be a compression test if this hasn't already been mentioned? Wouldn't bothered changing plugs if there was a fault showing...
Good good.
Am not sure how the turbo is cooled tbh
Compression test was done and every cylinder read the same pressure so am not sure what other thngs there are to check. Plugs were pulled out to find that they were badly fouled up and also being the 6 plugs nice time to change to the NKG 7's as i did
Are there any ways to check headgasket or does the engine need to be stripped for that?
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that's very rude Sammy :mad:
This is a public forum and everybody can express their opinions. You have been given plenty of good advise which you totally ignored regarding K04 etc and that most likely caused the issues you're experiencing now
Why the hell anybody would bother giving any more advise since all aready given has been ignored?? :stupid:
Paul
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Well i'd say that it's not the head gasket then, if compressions fine as where water would come in to the cylinder through head gasket, the pressure would certainly go out... only other thing could be cracked head allowing water into cylinder on downstroke, does it do it when cold/hot?
If it's white smoke, i'm sure it's water, though if it's blueywhite smoke then it's oil, which if the compression is ok, must be the turbo... whats the history?
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that's very rude Sammy :mad:
This is a public forum and everybody can express their opinions. You have been given plenty of good advise which you totally ignored regarding K04 etc and that most likely caused the issues you're experiencing now
Why the hell anybody would bother giving any more advise since all aready given has been ignored?? :stupid:
Paul
Calling this thread a waste of a keyboard is your view and thats no help to no1, If thats how u feel why comment keep it to yourself because I dont care, People like E30DOM are doing what you call help not you your just a waste of keyboard on this thread for starting nonsense just grow up and leave it please. Thanks
I did not ingnore any advice when the turbo was done i drove at the time I had no problems did I? Ever since I had the problem is when i posted about it and then people told me their advice on driving and ever since I have listened?
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Well i'd say that it's not the head gasket then, if compressions fine as where water would come in to the cylinder through head gasket, the pressure would certainly go out... only other thing could be cracked head allowing water into cylinder on downstroke, does it do it when cold/hot?
If it's white smoke, i'm sure it's water, though if it's blueywhite smoke then it's oil, which if the compression is ok, must be the turbo... whats the history?
Yes all smoke is present when hot and cold.
The smoke is purely white, History of the turbo is from a 2010 S3 with about 9000 miles on it, Or do you mean history of car?
Btw your help has been great you have recieved a thank you
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Well i'd say that it's not the head gasket then, if compressions fine as where water would come in to the cylinder through head gasket, the pressure would certainly go out... only other thing could be cracked head allowing water into cylinder on downstroke, does it do it when cold/hot?
If it's white smoke, i'm sure it's water, though if it's blueywhite smoke then it's oil, which if the compression is ok, must be the turbo... whats the history?
Yes all smoke is present when hot and cold.
The smoke is purely white, History of the turbo is from a 2010 S3 with about 9000 miles on it, Or do you mean history of car?
Btw your help has been great you have recieved a thank you
Haha... your welcome, but like everyone else says, get someone looking at it who knows their shizzle, we can only give mere suggestions.... basics are black smoke fuel, white is water and blue is oil...
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Well i'd say that it's not the head gasket then, if compressions fine as where water would come in to the cylinder through head gasket, the pressure would certainly go out... only other thing could be cracked head allowing water into cylinder on downstroke, does it do it when cold/hot?
If it's white smoke, i'm sure it's water, though if it's blueywhite smoke then it's oil, which if the compression is ok, must be the turbo... whats the history?
Yes all smoke is present when hot and cold.
The smoke is purely white, History of the turbo is from a 2010 S3 with about 9000 miles on it, Or do you mean history of car?
Btw your help has been great you have recieved a thank you
Haha... your welcome, but like everyone else says, get someone looking at it who knows their shizzle, we can only give mere suggestions.... basics are black smoke fuel, white is water and blue is oil...
Am looking in to booking it in to a specalist as we speak anyway but just hoping the problem is found before that!
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You can get white smoke from LOTS too much fuel. I had an injector driver short on an ecu, which meant 12v constantly supplied to an injector. The white smoke out of the back was hilariously bad (for the short time the engine ran)!
Not saying for a minute that you've got the same problem, just saying that colour of emissions doesn't mean for certain it is petrol / water / oil.
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You can get white smoke from LOTS too much fuel. I had an injector driver short on an ecu, which meant 12v constantly supplied to an injector. The white smoke out of the back was hilariously bad (for the short time the engine ran)!
Not saying for a minute that you've got the same problem, just saying that colour of emissions doesn't mean for certain it is petrol / water / oil.
That is a thought aswell becuase it seems loads of fuel is being chucked out through the exhasut as recently i have been getting these huge POPS and bangs from the exhaust and usually that is unburnt fuel exiting the exhaust
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Theres no point in anyone on here guessing what the problem is with your car just going from the colour of the smoke.
I didi that with my car and paid out £1600 to a VW dealers, and that was based upon what people think it should have been wrong with my car.
Instead of just going through loads of guess work from people on here, take your car to someone that knows what they are doing.
There could be loads of reasons why your car is broken, main part being you should have listened to what everyone had told you in the first place and had the car mapped before you thrashed it.
Like everyone has kept saying, take it to someone that knows what they are doing, loads of guesses from people from here isnt going to fix your car, could just end up costing you a fortune in parts you dont even need :popcornsoda:
I wasted £2500 for no reason going off guesswork, until I took it to a garage who diagnosed it straight away, albeit they made a mess of the job, but car is now sorted.
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Theres no point in anyone on here guessing what the problem is with your car just going from the colour of the smoke.
I didi that with my car and paid out £1600 to a VW dealers, and that was based upon what people think it should have been wrong with my car.
Instead of just going through loads of guess work from people on here, take your car to someone that knows what they are doing.
There could be loads of reasons why your car is broken, main part being you should have listened to what everyone had told you in the first place and had the car mapped before you thrashed it.
Like everyone has kept saying, take it to someone that knows what they are doing, loads of guesses from people from here isnt going to fix your car, could just end up costing you a fortune in parts you dont even need :popcornsoda:
I wasted £2500 for no reason going off guesswork, until I took it to a garage who diagnosed it straight away, albeit they made a mess of the job, but car is now sorted.
Noone had told me anything about how to drive it after conversion because i never posted anything about it till the fault happened you see,
And yes i do agree best hands is on the specialists and am trying ti find someone suitable in london,
You say you found the problem straight away but didnt you change the whole engine out?
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no engine wasnt swapped, just new rings, bores honed, cylinder head was sent away to get the valve stem oil seals replaced etc etc, think was about £1500, they then put the cams back in wrong at the end of it. was using about 1ltr of oil every 200 miles or something ridicluous like that, I've now used about 200ml since february.
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mate do this, go out to the car and remove the pvc system and see if the white smoke still comes out. just try it
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mate do this, go out to the car and remove the pvc system and see if the white smoke still comes out. just try it
i have the BSH PCV plate on mate can I still check by taking the breather off mate?
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You can get white smoke from LOTS too much fuel. I had an injector driver short on an ecu, which meant 12v constantly supplied to an injector. The white smoke out of the back was hilariously bad (for the short time the engine ran)!
Not saying for a minute that you've got the same problem, just saying that colour of emissions doesn't mean for certain it is petrol / water / oil.
What did you do to sort it out in the end?
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dont you have the standard system? if that system gets blocked you get white smoke that is why i ask.
i can make mine pump white smoke in seconds by blocking it.
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dont you have the standard system? if that system gets blocked you get white smoke that is why i ask.
i can make mine pump white smoke in seconds by blocking it.
I dont think i do i have the blanking off plate, Maybe thats been blocked off somehow, remeber i did put too much engine oil in at the start
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This thread could go on and on can't the mods lock it :popcornsoda:
Whats that song? You spin me round round like a record baby :signLOL:
Old ground being covered now.
Get yourself to AKS Tuning although I suspect nobody will touch it now with a long sh*tty stick.
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You can get white smoke from LOTS too much fuel. I had an injector driver short on an ecu, which meant 12v constantly supplied to an injector. The white smoke out of the back was hilariously bad (for the short time the engine ran)!
Not saying for a minute that you've got the same problem, just saying that colour of emissions doesn't mean for certain it is petrol / water / oil.
What did you do to sort it out in the end?
Wasn't a MK5, but a Honda K20A2 engine / ecu. Just mentioned it for the smoke comment.
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I'm still saying fuel system on this one. If there are no fault codes then you may have to try a split technique, separating the engine, fuel system, electrics, etc. It's difficult though without spares to try. It's also difficult because the vehicle hardware/software don't correlate at the minute.
On a side note, I had heavy white smoke on one of my vehicles. Replaced lots, head gasket included. Turned out to be a bent rod in the end. Again, this can only be diagnosed by splitting the engine.
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Get it mapped properly. Bet its down to the map.
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once i got loads of white smoke when i turned off the traction control.
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lol...
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once i got loads of white smoke when i turned off the traction control.
Get some good tyres cheap ones are no good matey, u buy cheap u buy twice.
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once i got loads of white smoke when i turned off the traction control.
Get some good tyres cheap ones are no good matey, u buy cheap u buy twice.
As the rest of this thread demonstrates. :indifferent:
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once i got loads of white smoke when i turned off the traction control.
Get some good tyres cheap ones are no good matey, u buy cheap u buy twice.
As the rest of this thread demonstrates. :indifferent:
No it doesn't this work will be guaranteed unlike cheap tyres :P
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I'm not holding my breath on this one! :popcornsoda:
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I'm not holding my breath on this one! :popcornsoda:
I'm not going to hold anything.... :popcornsoda:
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once i got loads of white smoke when i turned off the traction control.
Get some good tyres cheap ones are no good matey, u buy cheap u buy twice.
As the rest of this thread demonstrates. :indifferent:
Haha.
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I ain't holdin nathin :fighting2:
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once i got loads of white smoke when i turned off the traction control.
Get some good tyres cheap ones are no good matey, u buy cheap u buy twice.
LOL my tyres are not cheap...you can get any tyres smoking with the right amount of power...which id not recommend YOU try just yet :wink:
why don't you go back to your ko3 bits, and see how its running? The map will be the correct map and you will know if its the turbo or any of the bits you installed. plus will be easier to troubleshoot when the car is standard.
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once i got loads of white smoke when i turned off the traction control.
Get some good tyres cheap ones are no good matey, u buy cheap u buy twice.
LOL my tyres are not cheap...you can get any tyres smoking with the right amount of power...which id not recommend YOU try just yet :wink:
why don't you go back to your ko3 bits, and see how its running? The map will be the correct map and you will know if its the turbo or any of the bits you installed. plus will be easier to troubleshoot when the car is standard.
That's a idea aswell but they would charge me same labour again and it might not solve anything, turbo can be checked in other ways, it's booked in with vag specialists tomorw equipped with latest dealer equipment, so hopefully fault will be found tomorow
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Which garage are you going to?
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Ive looked at this thread from the off guys and I dont think I'm being harsh in saying JESUS CHRIST just listen to at least some of us and get done what should have been done from day one! Everyone has different opinions and conclusions as to what the issues can be and until it is looked at then it cannot be rectified. And although you supposedly swear by this so called good garage you use they cannot possibly be that good if you are now heeding people's advice and going to a different garage! Just my opinion but hey you do what you feel necessary and cost the most we are just here for advice. :happy2:
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Ive looked at this thread from the off guys and I dont think I'm being harsh in saying JESUS CHRIST just listen to at least some of us and get done what should have been done from day one! Everyone has different opinions and conclusions as to what the issues can be and until it is looked at then it cannot be rectified. And although you supposedly swear by this so called good garage you use they cannot possibly be that good if you are now heeding people's advice and going to a different garage! Just my opinion but hey you do what you feel necessary and cost the most we are just here for advice. :happy2:
You don't go specialists all the time you go when u need to well some do, but it is not necessary if a garage can do the job just the same way why hassle and travel further for nothing? It would only be stupid to and in this case the problem was trying to be solved the easy way and when that fails then go to last resort which is the specialists.
Am taking it to Vw/Audi specialist based in harrow mike, www.audivwsc.co.uk
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You don't go specialists all the time you go when u need to well some do, but it is not necessary if a garage can do the job just the same way why hassle and travel further for nothing? It would only be stupid to and in this case the problem was trying to be solved the easy way and when that fails then go to last resort which is the specialists.
....I'm sure I'm not alone here in saying that I always go to the specialists first and never as a last resort. In 100,000 miles since new I have never taken my car to anyone other than an established specialist, the result being that any problem has been quickly and easily resolved and furthermore in the best way.
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You don't go specialists all the time you go when u need to well some do, but it is not necessary if a garage can do the job just the same way why hassle and travel further for nothing? It would only be stupid to and in this case the problem was trying to be solved the easy way and when that fails then go to last resort which is the specialists.
....I'm sure I'm not alone here in saying that I always go to the specialists first and never as a last resort. In 100,000 miles since new I have never taken my car to anyone other than an established specialist, the result being that any problem has been quickly and easily resolved and furthermore in the best way.
Likewise any minor fault I have had has been resolved quickly effieciently just the same way but like for 2 Pence, I dont need to bother with the specialists unless I need them
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that's very rude Sammy :mad:
This is a public forum and everybody can express their opinions. You have been given plenty of good advise which you totally ignored regarding K04 etc and that most likely caused the issues you're experiencing now
Why the hell anybody would bother giving any more advise since all aready given has been ignored?? :stupid:
Paul
ull notice alot more fuel usage, but i wouldnt drive it hard untill its mapped properly.
Calling this thread a waste of a keyboard is your view and thats no help to no1, If thats how u feel why comment keep it to yourself because I dont care, People like E30DOM are doing what you call help not you your just a waste of keyboard on this thread for starting nonsense just grow up and leave it please. Thanks
I did not ingnore any advice when the turbo was done i drove at the time I had no problems did I? Ever since I had the problem is when i posted about it and then people told me their advice on driving and ever since I have listened?
You have been given advice to not drive hard after fitting injectors and You don't listen
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One of the fundamental things which members of a good community (like this forum) do is to offer help to each other. Sammy, you started this post asking for help and as usual lots of folks tried to answer your questions, made suggestions, and offered helpful and positive advice. The nature of your problem, brought about by the choice of a non-savvy garage and very much caused by your stupidity (no other word for it) in ignoring the simplest advice of not driving your car hard, has now given you a can of worms. And yet some folks still try to offer helpful suggestions. But the main tide of opinion is that it's a waste of people's time because you clearly don't listen. The result is that it becomes frustrating and reading this thread turns into a slightly perverse but strangely enjoyable entertainment.
However, Sammy,......
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There's a VAG specialist 200 yards up the road from me.
There's also a VAG specialist an hour up the road from me who knows the Mk5 Gti inside out.
It usually means I have to take most of a day off work and use more petrol in the process but I always bring it to the Mk5 specialist for anything I can't do myself. The peace of mind is worth the extra money.
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Same as me, most of the time i travel 120miles for APS of Brackley to work on my car lol...
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There's a VAG specialist 200 yards up the road from me.
There's also a VAG specialist an hour up the road from me who knows the Mk5 Gti inside out.
It usually means I have to take most of a day off work and use more petrol in the process but I always bring it to the Mk5 specialist for anything I can't do myself. The peace of mind is worth the extra money.
i travel 50 miles to Midland VW to have my car worked on. and mapping even further 80 miles+ to R-Tech, who diagnosed why my engine was down on power by 80bhp in about 15 minutes.
i get around 35mpg on long trips, so just over a fiver for every 30 miles travelled. if i have to spend £15 in fuel to know my car is being taken care of then i will. i'd rather pay to travel 100 times than pay a £1500 lump sum for a new engine like you might have to do.
Sammy if you think it's more inconvenient to go to a specialist then look at the situation you're in now, and ask if it would perhaps have been better to get the job done properly the first time.
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There's a VAG specialist 200 yards up the road from me.
There's also a VAG specialist an hour up the road from me who knows the Mk5 Gti inside out.
It usually means I have to take most of a day off work and use more petrol in the process but I always bring it to the Mk5 specialist for anything I can't do myself. The peace of mind is worth the extra money.
Donal,
I bet you you're referring to George in Portlaoise whose services I use as well despite 70 mile one way trip I have to make.
Paul
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Yeah I can see that people are giving me many different opinions and views, who says I have ignored ANY of them for that matter, in fact I have tried everything everyone has said now that it's still not found I am taking it to a specialist which option was always there I never said I am not going I so don't know what your on about robin, iv been told not o drive it hard ever since I havnt :confused:
And what I mean by not needing a specialist is for minor stuff like a coil pack for starters I mean why on earth would I need to travel so far to fit that or even wishbones or springs come on! That is baby stuff I could fit that stuff myself if I had the equipment, If I had any major issues like this one then yeah it is actually worth travelling for not to change my pads or discs
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Yeah I can see that people are giving me many different opinions and views, who says I have ignored ANY of them for that matter, in fact I have tried everything everyone has said now that it's still not found I am taking it to a specialist which option was always there I never said I am not going I so don't know what your on about robin, iv been told not o drive it hard ever since I havnt :confused:
And what I mean by not needing a specialist is for minor stuff like a coil pack for starters I mean why on earth would I need to travel so far to fit that or even wishbones or springs come on! That is baby stuff I could fit that stuff myself if I had the equipment, If I had any major issues like this one then yeah it is actually worth travelling for not to change my pads or discs
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Wot gud England u spoke. :notworthy:
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Yeah I can see that people are giving me many different opinions and views, who says I have ignored ANY of them for that matter, in fact I have tried everything everyone has said now that it's still not found I am taking it to a specialist which option was always there I never said I am not going I so don't know what your on about robin, iv been told not o drive it hard ever since I havnt :confused:
And what I mean by not needing a specialist is for minor stuff like a coil pack for starters I mean why on earth would I need to travel so far to fit that or even wishbones or springs come on! That is baby stuff I could fit that stuff myself if I had the equipment, If I had any major issues like this one then yeah it is actually worth travelling for not to change my pads or discs
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Good for you :pomppomp:
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Well what a friendly and welcoming thread this has turned out to be :drinking:
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Time to end it before the children start playing
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Well from myself and everyone at Mk5GolfGti.co.uk I'm sure, I hope you get it sorted! :happy2:
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Well from myself and everyone at Mk5GolfGti.co.uk I'm sure, I hope you get it sorted! :happy2:
Thanks Dom :happy2:
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Well from myself and everyone at Mk5GolfGti.co.uk I'm sure, I hope you get it sorted! :happy2:
hope you get it sorted soon
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Oh, and lets not have any more questions, but please let us know what the solution to help others in the future... :wink:
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Okay another update, took it to them and the first thing they were saying about the smoke was that it was running very rich, on diagnostics it came up as multiple misfires and another fault for over boosting, also the engine oil warning light came up also and when checked it showed it was on minimum,
So in 6 days 1 litre of oil has gone.
They then took it for a drive and came back saying it is the turbo, although they are not sure. But the symtoms are showing up as that (high oil consumption and white smoke from exhaust),
Now to decide is a new turbo needed or not?
They didn't charge for diagnostics because they couldn't pinpoint me to anything directly, what are peoples view on this?
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Could have been a dud turbo
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Could have been yes, but there was no smoke in the first 3 days, so maybe it was me then I messed turbo up by over boosting or maybe it was on its way out, but what you think do the symptoms show enough for a bet on a new turbo?
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Read what heavyd put early,thought his was the turbo but turned out to be more serious
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Plus with all the oil going through the turbo some thing that has caused it to go
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As above send Heavyd a pm as it sounds like something his did
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I think you should put all your old stuff back on the car and see what happens then. £300 to refit everything is better than paying out for another turbo.
I can sense a lot of 'i told you so' comments coming soon, but everyone lay off as it's crap when you're in this situation!
It's £300, but at least you can put the engine rebuild at bay. I paid out for a turbo and didn't even need one, at vw dealer prices at that :surprised:
You need to rule things out before shelling out :popcornsoda:
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What he said :happy2:
Have watched this thread with a mixture of interest and alarm. Sammy - if you have all the original K03 parts then your quickest route back to a working car is most likely to be put them back on. If you put them back on and there are still issues then you have eliminated a whole bunch of stuff. If you put them back on and everything settles down then you know where the answer lies. It's not a question of putting good money after bad, it's about getting you back onto the road in a car that's not trying to tear itself apart. Do that first, and then go back to your upgrade plans a bit wiser and a bit more cautiously.
Please :smiley:
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If it were me I'd drop the DP to check for shaft play in the turbo, just to cure my curiosity.
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If it were me I'd drop the DP to check for shaft play in the turbo, just to cure my curiosity.
Is that anything like dogging?? :laugh:
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If it were me I'd drop the DP to check for shaft play in the turbo, just to cure my curiosity.
Is that anything like dogging?? :laugh:
:grin: :grin:
Well I'm on my back when I do it :surprised:
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As others have said, I would refit the K03 turbo and parts and take it from there. Hopefully if it is the turbo gone. You would always have the option of getting the k04 hybridised or repaired at a reputable turbocharger repair centre. Being fair a stage 2+ tfsi isnt slow so you could always stay K03 and have the reliabilty back. A K04 will pull better but we arent talking a massive difference and one I had looked into but decided against due to that. Im happy with stage 2+ on K03 for road driving.
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Am thinking of buying another k04 turbo fitting that on and see if that takes it away, If it does the faulty one will be sold as faulty and i can carry on as planned, If not i can always sell that k04 again anyway so thats what i am going to do for now,
And yes i agree k03 stage 2+ is great fun but I always i feel am loosing out at the top end and when I did have the k04 fitted on even with no map its the best thing i drove its a great pull straight to the redline so am defo heading towards k04 route
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No point spending more money like everyone else has already said.
Use what you already have to rule out the turbo. The k03.
Good luck
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i think the clue here is that it was "pulling like a train right up to the red line", so it sounds like an overboosting problem, which on a quite high milage ? turbo would be the last straw and would end up drawing the oil out the engine and dumping it out the exhaust, best bet would be to check the turbo bearings and seals, or fit the old parts and start again. Bear in mind that,when you start it up again you will still be burning oil again, and probably oiling up the spark plugs until the oil deposited in the cylinders and down the exhaust will take a while to burn off, good luck.
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Why risk either damaging a 2nd turbo with a map that doesn't suit or potentially buying a dodgy turbo? If you go ko3 at least your at a point where you know it should work.
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Why risk either damaging a 2nd turbo with a map that doesn't suit or potentially buying a dodgy turbo? If you go ko3 at least your at a point where you know it should work.
Wise words...
Fit stuff you know was working... rule that side of things out...
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Why risk either damaging a 2nd turbo with a map that doesn't suit or potentially buying a dodgy turbo? If you go ko3 at least your at a point where you know it should work.
Wise words...
Fit stuff you know was working... rule that side of things out...
....Exactly! Solving problems like these is a process of elimination.
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Well Sammy How you getting on?
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um....
was this car ever mapped correctly after having the injectors swapped over?... whilst it did still pull right to red line?....
perhaps try getting your old injectors fitted, see what happens then...
if that cures things/settles things.... get your injectors fitted, granny it or get it over on a flatbed over to a reputable mapping company and get the injectors mapped in properly...
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Well I have planned on changing out the turbo first to see what happens, I will update if that cures anything if not injectors will be changed back to normal and if not that then I am well screwed
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Well I have planned on changing out the turbo first to see what happens, I will update if that cures anything if not injectors will be changed back to normal and if not that then I am well screwed
Let's hope your right or your wasting a grand ..
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Well I have planned on changing out the turbo first to see what happens, I will update if that cures anything if not injectors will be changed back to normal and if not that then I am well screwed
Let's hope your right or your wasting a grand ..
Yeah time will telll getting impatient now! Btw there was no fuel pump issue
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Well I have planned on changing out the turbo first to see what happens, I will update if that cures anything if not injectors will be changed back to normal and if not that then I am well screwed
Let's hope your right or your wasting a grand ..
Yeah time will telll getting impatient now! Btw there was no fuel pump issue
Let's hope for your sake.... It's only money
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um....
was this car ever mapped correctly after having the injectors swapped over?... whilst it did still pull right to red line?....
perhaps try getting your old injectors fitted, see what happens then...
if that cures things/settles things.... get your injectors fitted, granny it or get it over on a flatbed over to a reputable mapping company and get the injectors mapped in properly...
apples12, can you please contact me. dirktiers@yahoo.de
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Like I said before by fitting the S3 injecotrs the car would have been save to drive normally to get to a tuner as the B1S1 would work open loop and trim the injection to keep the lambda with in range. I am still convinced its down to the turbo side of things, when I spoke to Sammy on the phone he did mention he had some good spirited runs under full boot..... what the full boost number was no body knows.
But put it this was I had a celtic tuning Stage 1 ED30 in the other day with an agressive N75 I-pilot map (like the K03 stage 2 tuned N75 maps) and his car was boosting to 29psi it ease and making 408lbft.
If your going to add bigger turbo / injectors ect... then just add a little common sense before getting the car mapped.
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Like I said before by fitting the S3 injecotrs the car would have been save to drive normally to get to a tuner as the B1S1 would work open loop and trim the injection to keep the lambda with in range. I am still convinced its down to the turbo side of things, when I spoke to Sammy on the phone he did mention he had some good spirited runs under full boot..... what the full boost number was no body knows.
But put it this was I had a celtic tuning Stage 1 ED30 in the other day with an agressive N75 I-pilot map (like the K03 stage 2 tuned N75 maps) and his car was boosting to 29psi it ease and making 408lbft.
If your going to add bigger turbo / injectors ect... then just add a little common sense before getting the car mapped.
I am quite convinced it is the turbo too and changing it out, will update once changed
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Fingers crossed it works
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Like I said before by fitting the S3 injecotrs the car would have been save to drive normally to get to a tuner as the B1S1 would work open loop and trim the injection to keep the lambda with in range. I am still convinced its down to the turbo side of things, when I spoke to Sammy on the phone he did mention he had some good spirited runs under full boot..... what the full boost number was no body knows.
But put it this was I had a celtic tuning Stage 1 ED30 in the other day with an agressive N75 I-pilot map (like the K03 stage 2 tuned N75 maps) and his car was boosting to 29psi it ease and making 408lbft.
If your going to add bigger turbo / injectors ect... then just add a little common sense before getting the car mapped.
I am quite convinced it is the turbo too and changing it out, will update once changed
Make sure you give it a good thrashing to be sure it's fixed :grin: :wink:
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Ok
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Like I said before by fitting the S3 injecotrs the car would have been save to drive normally to get to a tuner as the B1S1 would work open loop and trim the injection to keep the lambda with in range. I am still convinced its down to the turbo side of things, when I spoke to Sammy on the phone he did mention he had some good spirited runs under full boot..... what the full boost number was no body knows.
But put it this was I had a celtic tuning Stage 1 ED30 in the other day with an agressive N75 I-pilot map (like the K03 stage 2 tuned N75 maps) and his car was boosting to 29psi it ease and making 408lbft.
If your going to add bigger turbo / injectors ect... then just add a little common sense before getting the car mapped.
I am quite convinced it is the turbo too and changing it out, will update once changed
Make sure you give it a good thrashing to be sure it's fixed :grin: :wink:
Noo nooo...... :sick:
lol
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Update:
Toda had the turbo changed out along with new spark plugs and got the car started and took it for a drive. At about 3k revs the car just cuts the power out and a blast of smoke comes out then dissapears (NOT THRASHING IT!), This was with about a little more then 1/4 of the pedal being pressed. Does this sound like overfuelling and cutting out?
I am sure theres excess oil still in the system from before thats burning out but not sure how long this will take to clear out.
Also from the turbo that came out of the car we noticed on the manifold one of the holes had quite a lot of black soot on it, Anyone have a idea about this?
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took 2 weeks to burn the oil out of my exhaust
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What happened to your car? Also did you smoke just the same as you did before your problem?
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Update:
Toda had the turbo changed out along with new spark plugs and got the car started and took it for a drive. At about 3k revs the car just cuts the power out and a blast of smoke comes out then dissapears (NOT THRASHING IT!), This was with about a little more then 1/4 of the pedal being pressed. Does this sound like overfuelling and cutting out?
I am sure theres excess oil still in the system from before thats burning out but not sure how long this will take to clear out.
Also from the turbo that came out of the car we noticed on the manifold one of the holes had quite a lot of black soot on it, Anyone have a idea about this?
....What do the people now doing the work on your car think about what's currently happening?
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Now your non the wiser like I said you would be. You have to get it mapped for that turbo. Had you gone ko3 diagnosis would be easier.
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Now your non the wiser like I said you would be. You have to get it mapped for that turbo. Had you gone ko3 diagnosis would be easier.
I want to get it mapped though? Of course I need to
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Update:
Toda had the turbo changed out along with new spark plugs and got the car started and took it for a drive. At about 3k revs the car just cuts the power out and a blast of smoke comes out then dissapears (NOT THRASHING IT!), This was with about a little more then 1/4 of the pedal being pressed. Does this sound like overfuelling and cutting out?
I am sure theres excess oil still in the system from before thats burning out but not sure how long this will take to clear out.
Also from the turbo that came out of the car we noticed on the manifold one of the holes had quite a lot of black soot on it, Anyone have a idea about this?
....What do the people now doing the work on your car think about what's currently happening?
Know nothing yet they said to drive it for a while taking it easy
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Now your non the wiser like I said you would be. You have to get it mapped for that turbo. Had you gone ko3 diagnosis would be easier.
I want to get it mapped though? Of course I need to
So you spend x on getting it mapped, to which they cant map it due to problems x, y and z. Wasted money.
You ask whats could be the issue with your car now? possibly the map.
Had you gone ko3, maps not the issue, turbos fine, injectors are not causing it, all the pipes you changed dv relocation kit isnt to blame. Leaves a smaller area to troubleshoot.
Its all IMO. My job is based on Systematically resolving complex issues and to me this is all backwards :signLOL:
Fingers crossed how ever after a few miles all your problems are sorted and a map gets you back on your feet.
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Now your non the wiser like I said you would be. You have to get it mapped for that turbo. Had you gone ko3 diagnosis would be easier.
I want to get it mapped though? Of course I need to
So you spend x on getting it mapped, to which they cant map it due to problems x, y and z. Wasted money.
You ask whats could be the issue with your car now? possibly the map.
Had you gone ko3, maps not the issue, turbos fine, injectors are not causing it, all the pipes you changed dv relocation kit isnt to blame. Leaves a smaller area to troubleshoot.
Its all IMO. My job is based on Systematically resolving complex issues and to me this is all backwards :signLOL:
Fingers crossed how ever after a few miles all your problems are sorted and a map gets you back on your feet.
Yeah but what if everything just goes fine after a few miles then that's success it's a gamble really, yeah your right I could have put everything back on again but what if the fault is still there? That would mean I would have to revert back to k04 setup ALL over again including what ever needs fixing on top and at this moment I can easily sell of the k04 as a faulty one if this new turbo solves the problem, just got to drive and see now
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Don't forget if it was the turbo then my car would still be smoking woundnt it from the remains on oil in the system? Is there anything like a oil flush out?
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Something tells me the intercooler and hoses have not been flushed of oil :stupid:
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As Alex mentions did the inter cooler get cleaned out of waste oil--my car is a tdi but the problem with mine was the engine was breating and filling the turbo with oil well all of it :signLOL:after the inter cooler was cleaned out it took 2 weeks to properly clear
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No the intercooler pipes were not taken off, are you talking about excess oil that may have been there because there wasn't much there at all very minimal, also when te turbo was taken out it appeared quiet dry in both sides of it
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All the turbo outlets point downwards so there wouldnt really be anywhere for the oil to it which is why it sits in the intercooler as its the lowest point.
Or the turbo was fine! :wink:
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Well yet again, everyone said to put the K03 back on, but you ignored that and put another K04 on.
So back to square one again.
Why you continue to ask for everyones ideas on here is beyond me, as you just ignore them and do what you see fit anyway, so whats the point of asking :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
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Well yet again, everyone said to put the K03 back on, but you ignored that and put another K04 on.
So back to square one again.
Why you continue to ask for everyones ideas on here is beyond me, as you just ignore them and do what you see fit anyway, so whats the point of asking :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Whats the difference not much? If i put a k03 on i still have to get that changed again for k04 when it comes to upgrading? Now i can just sell the other k04 off and the only loss was labour?
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You still dont know if it has been solved or not, I need to take it for a drive and see if the engine oil still drops if it does then its back to square 1, Smoke will still be there for a while am sure
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Now your non the wiser like I said you would be. You have to get it mapped for that turbo. Had you gone ko3 diagnosis would be easier.
I want to get it mapped though? Of course I need to
So you spend x on getting it mapped, to which they cant map it due to problems x, y and z. Wasted money.
You ask whats could be the issue with your car now? possibly the map.
Had you gone ko3, maps not the issue, turbos fine, injectors are not causing it, all the pipes you changed dv relocation kit isnt to blame. Leaves a smaller area to troubleshoot.
Its all IMO. My job is based on Systematically resolving complex issues and to me this is all backwards :signLOL:
Fingers crossed how ever after a few miles all your problems are sorted and a map gets you back on your feet.
Yeah but what if everything just goes fine after a few miles then that's success it's a gamble really, yeah your right I could have put everything back on again but what if the fault is still there? That would mean I would have to revert back to k04 setup ALL over again including what ever needs fixing on top and at this moment I can easily sell of the k04 as a faulty one if this new turbo solves the problem, just got to drive and see now
If you had gone back to ko3 and issue was still there you would have eliminated a great deal of possible causes.
I understand your thinking with another K04 but to me % wise you have a better chance of a resolution with a standard (or where you started) situation rather than spending money on more items that originally caused the issue.
Only way to be sure now is having a map put on it, which could be a waste of money on your part and time on the tuners part.
i.e if i mapped my car and it was making noises, i wouldn't replace the fuel pump because i think that's the issue, id remove the map and log the car.
Either way is a option just imo you had a better chance of a resolution going the opposite way.
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Finally the car has been fit with a new R engine and fully up and running no faults :jumpmove:
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You sorted out the oil light fault?
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Yes all sorted now, it was down to the sensor itself
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Finally the car has been fit with a new R engine and fully up and running no faults :jumpmove:
Sounds like a cheap fix :scared:
At least you got it sorted :happy2:
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Finally the car has been fit with a new R engine and fully up and running no faults :jumpmove:
Where are the pic's mate,glad it got sorted for you in the end! :party:
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Finally the car has been fit with a new R engine and fully up and running no faults :jumpmove:
Sounds like a cheap fix :scared:
At least you got it sorted :happy2:
Oh no not cheap at all this sensor was a minor issue after fitting a new engine in, The whole job alone for the last 3 weeks has robbed my bank totally
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So was this the reason why you changed the engine because your Oil light was lit?.
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So was this the reason why you changed the engine because your Oil light was lit?.
No its a long story best you read the thread if your bothered lol
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At least its sorted now and you can get back to driving it. When is it being remapped?
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25th of June :smiley:
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:worthless:
:nerd:
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:congrats:now go and enjoy driving it again :happy2:
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:congrats:now go and enjoy driving it again :happy2:
Definitely will after the map of course :signLOL: :driver:
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:congrats:now go and enjoy driving it again :happy2:
Definitely will after the map of course :signLOL: :driver:
Surely if it's a new engine you can drive it without a map without any issues?? :confused:
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great stuff it's sorted now! :happy2:
Please no more such painful threads! :signLOL:
Paul
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Surely you can't jussa because it still has the k03 map on it from the ecu, definitely needs to get mapped am sure.
And yes I hope I won't have no more pains from the engine!
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Surely you can't jussa because it still has the k03 map on it from the ecu, definitely needs to get mapped am sure.
And yes I hope I won't have no more pains from the engine!
Oh, ok, thought you would have swapped the ECU as well :popcornsoda:
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I am going to stick my neck out here and say, this thread has at least 20 more pages to go. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2Fnewspaper.gif&hash=45aa353ab73a7ec62b71500d9cc0184a7cfede2e)
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I am going to stick my neck out here and say, this thread has at least 20 more pages to go. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2Fnewspaper.gif&hash=45aa353ab73a7ec62b71500d9cc0184a7cfede2e)
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£100 says Will Smith will have the last laugh.
Tick, tick, tick..... BOOM!
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20 pages and counting easily :driver:
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Glad you got it all sorted
Who did you get to fit your new engine in?
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Do the R and GTi run the same ecu then, just different maps? I would have wanted an R ecu on there to run the engine, or not driven it till it was time to map...
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Do the R and GTi run the same ecu then, just different maps? I would have wanted an R ecu on there to run the engine, or not driven it till it was time to map...
X2 ^^^^^^^^^^^
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Do the R and GTi run the same ecu then, just different maps? I would have wanted an R ecu on there to run the engine, or not driven it till it was time to map...
....There is surely a danger of creating a Frankenstein when mixing brains (ECU's). Surely at the very least, the R ECU will be a more recent generation - Technology never stands still and there may be things about it which simply are not public knowledge. Actually, thinking about it, how could the R and Mk5 GTI run the same ECU - They are different engines and transmissions in lots of ways. :confused:
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Surely just the same as running the Edition30 engine on the standard gti ecu? and is the gearbox dsg ecu seperate?
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The standard ed30 ecu is loaded with a k04 map where as Sammy still has the K03 map in his ecu.
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Your going to go down the same route again by the sounds of it. I wouldnt drive it until youve had it remapped.
I'm sure its something to do with the different Map sensor scaling compared to the K03 engine or something
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Am not driving it anymore, and am not sure i think i can leave the map sensor as it is and am sure it still can be mapped that way
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Am not driving it anymore, and am not sure i think i can leave the map sensor as it is and am sure it still can be mapped that way
iirc acepee had his map tweaked by revo to use the 3 bar map sensor...
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Am not driving it anymore, and am not sure i think i can leave the map sensor as it is and am sure it still can be mapped that way
iirc acepee had his map tweaked by revo to use the 3 bar map sensor...
Did he benefit from this do you know?
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Did he benefit from this do you know?
On one US forum he was claiming 370bhp but didn't post up any RR graphs.
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That's interesting more power then, I might take both sensors to r tech and see what Nick can do about that
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That's interesting more power then, I might take both sensors to r tech and see what Nick can do about that
Unlike the older motronic ecus, the MED9 sw dont allow for up scaling of the map sensor its hard coded into the map via 8bit values. The only way to do it would be use an ED30 map and run the ecu with the immo and vin switched off.
I can get just as good results running open loop just clipping 1.54bar,
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That's interesting more power then, I might take both sensors to r tech and see what Nick can do about that
Unlike the older motronic ecus, the MED9 sw dont allow for up scaling of the map sensor its hard coded into the map via 8bit values. The only way to do it would be use an ED30 map and run the ecu with the immo and vin switched off.
I can get just as good results running open loop just clipping 1.54bar,
What does this mean Nick? Will the immobiliser be switched off and also what is the VIN? How is the car getting along? :smiley:
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that is how my car was mapped, i just clipped 1.5bar, and that was bloody rapid.
The ed30/r/S3 ecu's are the same it will just allow you to run more boost but you dont really need it.
I thought you could not clone an ed30 map to a GTI ecu as there are more maps, so would need more memory?
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that is how my car was mapped, i just clipped 1.5bar, and that was bloody rapid.
The ed30/r/S3 ecu's are the same it will just allow you to run more boost but you dont really need it.
I thought you could not clone an ed30 map to a GTI ecu as there are more maps, so would need more memory?
Ohh okay but i dont get the bit with immo and vin switched off, What does this mean exactly?
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means you could use a valet key to start your car or just join the wires on the barrel.
would make your insurance sky high .
would be better to get an ed30/r/s3 ecu and clode it to your clocks.
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means you could use a valet key to start your car or just join the wires on the barrel.
would make your insurance sky high .
would be better to get an ed30/r/s3 ecu and clode it to your clocks.
Well thats not good at all :scared:, Why would these need to be disabled? Also would my alarm still work? Is the only way around it to get ed30/s3 ECU?
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Would still need a immo match ket to start the car, but the immo in the EEprom in the ecu would be unmatched to the clocks, its to clone an S3 map to the gti ecu
Nick
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Would still need a immo match ket to start the car, but the immo in the EEprom in the ecu would be unmatched to the clocks, its to clone an S3 map to the gti ecu
Nick
Is this risky for me to leave it somewhere overnight then? As long as my car isn't easily accessible with any random key then it should be ok..
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Am I the only one thinking this isn't a good thing to be discussing on a public forum?? :confused:
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Am I the only one thinking this isn't a good thing to be discussing on a public forum?? :confused:
Might be and might not be, But for those concerned they would need to know where I live, where my car is kept, what car it is and the reg too and none is put here
Other then what car it is obviously a GTI MK5 lol
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Come on Nath!, who in there right mind would steal this car. :laugh:
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Has its own built in anti-theft action - it gets 5 miles down the road and falls apart like a clown car.
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Has its own built in anti-theft action - it gets 5 miles down the road and falls apart like a clown car.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_a6-xiUyH7QA%2FTQ1zvGdpVQI%2FAAAAAAAAAA8%2F7U7t_7IuEP0%2Fs1600%2Fcar%2Bexplosion.jpg&hash=05a02881ae031bfa2cb38eddc74dd34603b12fe5)
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LOL are you talking look at that type 72 little mouse you drive hahaha
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Mice are quick little f*ckers.
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Mice are quick little f*ckers.
Yea not his mice
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LOL are you talking look at that type 72 little mouse you drive hahaha
It is indeed a strange day when a 'lots of trouble, usually serious' owner can mock a VW owner for having an unreliable and undesirable POS. Thing is, he's right!
How times change!
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Mice are quick little f*ckers.
Yea not his mice
Rice?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2File-maurice.tripod.com%2Fimagesloc%2Frice.jpg&hash=fcc26c63e3396712a7b5899be59b9f7e76a19e90)
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.sharenator.com%2Ffor_the_love_of_god_just_shut_up_top_100-s500x333-148894-580.jpg&hash=1e3892467f8ac6f0e9eb2218de295af9648c5586)
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Mice are quick little f*ckers.
Yea not his mice
No your right it goes like a stabbed rat :driver:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.sharenator.com%2Ffor_the_love_of_god_just_shut_up_top_100-s500x333-148894-580.jpg&hash=1e3892467f8ac6f0e9eb2218de295af9648c5586)
Fail ?
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It wasnt for you Mike but no fail still its a message
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Jeesh , this reminds me of Scoobynet years ago ;) shame
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It wasnt for you Mike but no fail still its a message
Confused dot com! :confused: :confused:
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It wasnt for you Mike but no fail still its a message
Confused dot com! :confused: :confused:
Good its better you be confused than be a child
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:popcornsoda:
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LOL are you talking look at that type 72 little mouse you drive hahaha
:laugh:
:popcornsoda:
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Come on Nath!, who in there right mind would steal this car. :laugh:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FDetailing%2FStickers%2FROFL.gif&hash=cd2bae532a4573a902a117dd086926100c9368c8)
Another classic TC gem! :notworthy:
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The mapping can start now, all the hardware has been fixed and sorted and safe, a broken plug on manifold flap electronics, and pipes on N75 not on correct.
Just a misfire under light load, even with the new coil packs fitted? Maybe need new plugs but will find out tomorrow.
Just the matter of 2.5" hail stones put a downer on the day..... :sad1:
Should be at 330-340bhp tuesday If all goes to plan.
Nick
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This is a strange thread :signLOL: glad car is getting sorted.