MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: vRSAlex on June 28, 2012, 08:24:30 pm
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Right then, who is interested?
Turbo should be good for 450bhp and similar torque. Original oil and water lines fit straight on along with the K03/K04 downpipe. Intake just needs an extra pipe. Almost a bolt on setup.
Or go for a real mans turbo setup: :evilgrin:
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Looks great Alex :happy2:
I assume all Stage 2+ hardware is required? Anything else? Will the standard rods and pistons take it?
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I reckon standard ed30/s3/TTS rods etc will take that but only just. Look incredible and have read a lot of excited people's remarks on this subject. Would love to get one but definitely a engine rebuild for a K03 :sad1:
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Sooooooo tempted to leave my car with you when I move to London
If only I had the money :sad1:
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will be having one of these of my ED30 soon. 420-450bhp sounds good :laugh:
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Right then, who is interested?
Turbo should be good for 450bhp and similar torque. Original oil and water lines fit straight on along with the K03/K04 downpipe. Intake just needs an extra pipe. Its basically a bolt on turbo setup.
vRS will be getting one in the next few weeks for development then the turbo will come out once we are happy.
Revo will hopefully be doing the mapping.
Its not particularly cheap, but compared to a 3071/3076 setup it is.
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Revo doing the mapping :scared:
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Right then, who is interested?
Turbo should be good for 450bhp and similar torque. Original oil and water lines fit straight on along with the K03/K04 downpipe. Intake just needs an extra pipe. Its basically a bolt on turbo setup.
vRS will be getting one in the next few weeks for development then the turbo will come out once we are happy.
Revo will hopefully be doing the mapping.
Its not particularly cheap, but compared to a 3071/3076 setup it is.
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Revo doing the mapping :scared:
Not a fan?
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Go on then, how much? :)
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Go on then, how much? :)
No finalised prices, but expect no change from 3k. :sad1:
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What softwares on Steves?
Revo, but stage 3 which is meant for for the 3071 turbos, rs4 injectors etc.
With that setup he has to use a manual boost controller.
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What softwares on Steves?
keith is happy to do something for us :wink:
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3k just for the turbo? i would give one a blast
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ARP headstuds and a new headgasket would be minimum requirement for me for reliability on the k04 engine.
Been looking into this alot recently and i reckon your looking at £4k easily for the turbo, RS4 injectors, modified intake, in tank fuel pump, ARP head studs plus headgasket, new map not sure how much Revo will want over 2+ and then theres labour on top.
I guess you gotta pay to play.
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id fit Loba injectors instead of rs4 ones
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Yep but are they even available yet?
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Yep but are they even available yet?
should be in time for when this turbo is on sale to general public
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Definitely up for one of these.....once I decide if I want to PX the Polo or not.
I've driven Steve's and to say it is fun is an understatement. It was only running 1.2 bar at the time, but can run 2 bar :drool:
With a DSG I'd also say that clutchpacks will probably get a battering, so cost in HPA/SSP clutchpacks into that unless you are running lower boost.
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3k for the turbo tthen there's injectors then potential clutch packs possibly rods and pistons. At this rate surely its better to just go big turbo!!
Plus the guys running hybrids at inters werent exactly faster than any of the KO4 cars there. id prob consider one if i had anS3 or Golf R maybe, but normal fwd even with a diff.... pointless imo.
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Can't believe anybody thinks going big turbo would be easier, it's an option of course, but very invasive.
Let's not compare this to a big turbo setup and credit where credits due, I work with LOBA and they have completely hit the nail on the head with this turbo, power delivery is sublime apparently, very linear.
This is NOT the usual franken turbo using different ends, the profileof the impeller has been designed to perform, the compressor is machined on a million euro CNC machine the casing is machined and the manifold gets a load of flow work, it's actually two turbos combined to make one, quite frankly I don't know how they do it for the money
As I say I work with LOBA and have been watching this coming through for a few weeks, that's my interest declared, invariably it will get compared to the APR kit hopefully this won't turn into a pi$$ing contest about tuners.
From the simulations I've seen as far as area under the curve is concerned there's nothing near it for the money.
Stage 2+ power at 1.2 bar on a KO4.......just think about that for a second.........
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Dont get me wrong, i know LOBA hybrids are very well constructed and can produce great numbers. That's why i have one fitted to my car!!!
The LOBA turbo will spool faster than a bigger turbo, thats for sure, less lag is good however that also has its issues.
Like i said, if it was a car with haldex to transmit that power then i think this turbo would be a great option. But if I had a FWD car i think i would go for a GT28 and run the setup like SteveP is. I think the extra lag that a big turbo produces will help with the traction a little. But even his car with all his chassis mods/tyres etc still spins its tyres with no issues.
I personally think anything more than stage 2+ is too much for a FWD car even with a LSD and sticky tyres.
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S3 S Tronic + This Turbo = :love:
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I agree that 350+ bhp on FWD is as issue! I am running K04 with stage 2 and sometimes I wonder if that is not too much with all the supporting mods i have with wheel spin especially from a stop. Once rolling it's different story but then we are talking illegal speed territory and only to be used on a track in my view. AWD could be dull in terms of feedback so to me RWD is the way to go for high powered cars. Just my view
Paul
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tbh, its hard to disagree with that :happy2:
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Looks immense and :congrats: to anyone running this or BT, but a strong Stage 2 with all the supporting mods is enough for me...
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400+ in fwd is alot but its not as bad as some of you guys are thinking. there are guys in the usa with 600WHP.
with a good map, lsd, sticky tyres and a good driver this turbo will be able to put you in to 11s.
jonneyc managed a 12.5 so a extra 70bhp of a well sorted car should see 11s all day long
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400+ in fwd is alot but its not as bad as some of you guys are thinking. there are guys in the usa with 600WHP.
with a good map, lsd, sticky tyres and a good driver this turbo will be able to put you in to 11s.
jonneyc managed a 12.5 so a extra 70bhp of a well sorted car should see 11s all day long
With a dsg box maybe but it would be a tall order imo, on a manual i would say no, depends what the turbo is capable of as that is an unknown yet but remember more power means harder to get off the line. With 450hp 11's would be touch and go and not a chance in a manual.
A golf R/S3 would piss 11's with this setup though.
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400+ in fwd is alot but its not as bad as some of you guys are thinking. there are guys in the usa with 600WHP.
with a good map, lsd, sticky tyres and a good driver this turbo will be able to put you in to 11s.
jonneyc managed a 12.5 so a extra 70bhp of a well sorted car should see 11s all day long
This will have to be mapped very sensibly i think. Full power needs only to be coming In at around 3rd gear otherwise pointless imo. Revo deffo need to get this one right from the off. I find there 2+, stage 3 maps way too agressive low down and as said that would be pointless in fwd.
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Think you're right grading the AWD and this turbo, one benefit of hybrids is that you have options, the LOBA TTRS hybrid cars have three different maps for commuting, sporty and 1/4 mile!
I'd have it on a GTI in a heartbeat running 380 with enough torque to pull the side of your house off, trick clutch and diff and it'd be perfect. It's nice knowing you could plug in and have the full 430-450BHP for inters and Dyno days!
We need to find out what it needs and a total estimate for the conversion, can't see it being more than a stage 3 kit whatever it needs
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I dont think stage 2+ is too aggressive, the pedal isnt an on/off switch. This "stage 2+ is already too much for fwd" thats going around in these threads just makes be laugh, my car copes perfectly well with the power obviously in the wet theres issues but its no different for rwd cars. At the end of the day its a laugh to drive and having too much grip would just get boring.
Would this Turbo be too much for fwd car? Ill make that decision when ive been in it thanks. Yes it will wheelspin in some cases but personaly i think this car on the road on a spirited drive and not doing traffic light GP's will be an absolute monster and put a big smile on your face and thats the important thing above all else and that ultimately is why we tune our cars.
All these people that say you have to put 100% of the power to the ground or its pointless can bore off and buy a 4wd car you sound like a set of car journalists :indifferent:
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Think you're right grading the AWD and this turbo, one benefit of hybrids is that you have options, the LOBA TTRS hybrid cars have three different maps for commuting, sporty and 1/4 mile!
I'd have it on a GTI in a heartbeat running 380 with enough torque to pull the side of your house off, trick clutch and diff and it'd be perfect. It's nice knowing you could plug in and have the full 430-450BHP for inters and Dyno days!
We need to find out what it needs and a total estimate for the conversion, can't see it being more than a stage 3 kit whatever it needs
Definatly alot less than a stage 3 kit, i reckon £4k, when you brake it down there is quite alot of stuff thats required.
Spoke to steve@statllers yesterday he said just to wait on let him get the car finished and he will come up with a conversion price fitted.
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S3 S Tronic + This Turbo = :love:
I agree, are Revo definitely designing a map for this setup? :popcornsoda:
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S3 S Tronic + This Turbo = :love:
I agree, are Revo definitely designing a map for this setup? :popcornsoda:
Did Alex say this will be a stage 3 GT30 map but with a manual boost controller? Are APR interested in the mapping of this? They wanted to map mine with the hybrid so maybe they would develop onw for this turbo. Somone get onto keith and persuade him to fit the Loba LO4xx to his R. If that already does a 12.2second 1/4 mile imagine what another 90-100hp will do to it :scared:
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Think it's fair to say you'd need bigger tyres at the front, it's interesting thats there could be a whole new set of hardware required, new intake, new maybe 18x9 lightweight alloys....
Imagine a stripped out S3 with 245 section 888 tyres and this turbo......
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
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Think it's fair to say you'd need bigger tyres at the front, it's interesting thats there could be a whole new set of hardware required, new intake, new maybe 18x9 lightweight alloys....
Imagine a stripped out S3 with 245 section 888 tyres and this turbo......
HMMMmmmm :notworthy:
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
Wandering why Ive pissed so much money up the wall and Not just done that
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
I agree. Thousands spent. You could sell the S3/ed30 and use that mod money towards an RS3 which will make those figures with only minor work
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
I agree. Thousands spent. You could sell the S3/ed30 and use that mod money towards an RS3 which will make those figures with only minor work
....I'm 'guilty' of this as well. I've spent thousands on modding my lowly powered (but well balanced!) K03 GTI to my liking and could have bought something with higher performance out of the box. BUT an individually customised chariot is rather special, no?
As Kev at Revo once said to me: We each have to draw our own line in the sand regarding how far we go modding.
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S3 S Tronic + This Turbo = :love:
I agree, are Revo definitely designing a map for this setup? :popcornsoda:
Did Alex say this will be a stage 3 GT30 map but with a manual boost controller? Are APR interested in the mapping of this? They wanted to map mine with the hybrid so maybe they would develop onw for this turbo. Somone get onto keith and persuade him to fit the Loba LO4xx to his R. If that already does a 12.2second 1/4 mile imagine what another 90-100hp will do to it :scared:
i will be ordering a turbo soon and getting apr to map it for me.
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
The age old argument of modding or buying a sorted car in the first place.
I know from years of reading EVO and before that Performance Car - I have never chosen to drive a car that serious driving enthusiasts (ie the guys who pen EVO) would choose.
Granted they all respect the mk5 GTI as a good drivers car, but far from the best front driver/ hatch.
If I had my head screwed on I may drive an MX5/ Elise/ E3x M3/ Reno Meg R etc (chooses cars of sensible price range that are good steers).
But we all have this affliction to spend/waste money on modding humble VWs :drinking:
My car choice is ruled by my heart not my head - I took a mates scabby old Boxster out a few weeks ago - fastidiously maintained I admit.....WOW what a car to drive. Could easily enough afford one if I sold my mk5.
But I choose a Golf.... :stupid:?
And why all the talk of quarter mile ETs.....surely this blower is better suited to a B road blast - goading the fast bikes :evilgrin:
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:congrats:
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modding is fun, if i owned a veyron i would tune it, just incase i bumped in to another one :party:
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If I had a veyron twin gtx42 turbos lol
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If I had a veyron twin gtx42 turbos lol
Only twins!
Quad gtx42's please :P
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If I had a veyron twin gtx42 turbos lol
Only twins!
Quad gtx42's please :P
Haha you got me forgot it was quad turbo. What's that like, 6000hp worth of airflow?
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Apparabntly on the dyno the veyron supersport motor was good for 3000hp.....
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
Robin, I disagree, I gobbled up a Porker turbo at Inters, granted he screwed up his gear change cause he panicked when he saw me next to him with the launch control :signLOL: so for an extra 3-4 grand spent on my car with this setup, that is small change compared the buying a Porker turbo - as well as the fact I prefer the VAG interior :popcornsoda:
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
Robin, I disagree, I gobbled up a Porker turbo at Inters, granted he screwed up his gear change cause he panicked when he saw me next to him with the launch control :signLOL: so for an extra 3-4 grand spent on my car with this setup, that is small change compared the buying a Porker turbo - as well as the fact I prefer the VAG interior :popcornsoda:
....Gobbling up a Porsche Turbo at Inters doesn't make your car (or mine) better or faster. I only used the Porsche brand as an example of an ex-factory car which is more likely not to need tuning.
As others have now said, most of us would modify any car we bought and there's certainly a long tradition with VeeDubs. :happy2:
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Your Audi is not better than a Porsche if you think it is go drive a new Porsche it's not about how quick it is it's about how good the car is,you can make any car faster it's just a 911 is a very special place to sit and drive
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
Robin, I disagree, I gobbled up a Porker turbo at Inters, granted he screwed up his gear change cause he panicked when he saw me next to him with the launch control :signLOL: so for an extra 3-4 grand spent on my car with this setup, that is small change compared the buying a Porker turbo - as well as the fact I prefer the VAG interior :popcornsoda:
I spoke to Steve about that. He was running it with the blown clutch and put too many revs through it from the offset and just sat there (not a missed gearchange). Do you want me to tell him you want a rematch now his clutch is fixed? :wink: He did a 3.2 to 60 on his first run when the clutch popped, cruised down the rest of the 1/4 mile and still posted an 11.2 qtr time. He was running twin Loba Turbo's and water methanol injection....somewhere around 800bhp :laugh:
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
Robin, I disagree, I gobbled up a Porker turbo at Inters, granted he screwed up his gear change cause he panicked when he saw me next to him with the launch control :signLOL: so for an extra 3-4 grand spent on my car with this setup, that is small change compared the buying a Porker turbo - as well as the fact I prefer the VAG interior :popcornsoda:
I spoke to Steve about that. He was running it with the blown clutch and put too many revs through it from the offset and just sat there (not a missed gearchange). Do you want me to tell him you want a rematch now his clutch is fixed? :wink: He did a 3.2 to 60 on his first run when the clutch popped, cruised down the rest of the 1/4 mile and still posted an 11.2 qtr time. He was running twin Loba Turbo's and water methanol injection....somewhere around 800bhp :laugh:
:signLOL: believe me this car is fookin immense. 10sec car that with a stage 3 clutch.
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Doesn't all this get to a point where you may as well buy a fast Porsche or similar?
Robin, I disagree, I gobbled up a Porker turbo at Inters, granted he screwed up his gear change cause he panicked when he saw me next to him with the launch control :signLOL: so for an extra 3-4 grand spent on my car with this setup, that is small change compared the buying a Porker turbo - as well as the fact I prefer the VAG interior :popcornsoda:
I spoke to Steve about that. He was running it with the blown clutch and put too many revs through it from the offset and just sat there (not a missed gearchange). Do you want me to tell him you want a rematch now his clutch is fixed? :wink: He did a 3.2 to 60 on his first run when the clutch popped, cruised down the rest of the 1/4 mile and still posted an 11.2 qtr time. He was running twin Loba Turbo's and water methanol injection....somewhere around 800bhp :laugh:
I have been in Steve's 997 when it was running about 600bhp and there is no way on gods earth was any 2.0 catching that thing. Now it's running the 2 Lobas it will fly in to the 10s with the new clutch.
The car is beautiful inside and out and if I could afford to run one I'd have one tomorrow.
Can't believe anyone would mention an S3, Golf or anything similar in the same breath tbh. Each to their own I guess, but even a stock 997 turbo or carrera s is a different league to any VAG hot hatch.
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i think everybody is missing the point.
we all know a 911 turbo is better than a s3 but what he is saying £ for £ his s3 holds its own.
i love taking on m3s and 911s in my gti, if i loose do i look silly? not rely im only in a golf.
That loba turbo on a fwd golf will spin in 1st and 2nd but it will be a monster as soon as it hooks, my semi slicks made so much diffrence to how fast my car is as it hooks as soon as first is out of the way :party:
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where can you buy them? i am intrested to give one a blast, i dont want BT as of the lag, somthing in the middle would be cool.
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where can you buy them? i am intrested to give one a blast, i dont want BT as of the lag, somthing in the middle would be cool.
Me soon. Needs testing before they are released.
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is there any ETA? would be nice to install while my engine is out.
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email loba if you really want one now!
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There's only three.
S3 in Germany (pictured)
Statlers GTI
One on reserve for AKS.
The component parts are in stock evidently to build some more.
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Steve Jr at Statllers has just given me some more info on the Loba L04XX turbo's performance.
He is now running a manual boost controller and the turbo is HOLDING boost at 1.8bar at 7k rpm!!! At Inters the car was running 1.2bar.
The MAF reading is now over 320mg/s at 6300rpm and over 330mg/s at 7300rpm. The turbo is capable of running at 2.0bar, which would give 350mg/s.
His car in 2010 did a 12.766 1/4 mile at Inters with a 4.52 0-60. This was on a Turbo Dynamics modified K04 which was running 305mg/s and was maxxed out.
To put this into perspective the K04 is capable of up to around 285mg/s.
The reason I'm quoting mg/s is that it is easily track-able through VCDS and a division of 0.8 will get you to bhp at the fly that you'd see on a dyno and is a better true show of power than a dyno. More air in equals more power out.
Results like this tempt me to get back into a 2.0TFSi myself :laugh:
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Steve Jr also says that there is no overboost spike like in the stock K04 and so the power delivery is more manageable......Just a big solid push back into the seat all the way to the redline!
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i want one! lol seems to perfect :innocent:
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Steve Jr also says that there is no overboost spike like in the stock K04 and so the power delivery is more manageable......Just a big solid push back into the seat all the way to the redline!
Stop it!
La la la la la la la laaaa laaaa I'm not listening! Lol :scared:
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Steve Jr also says that there is no overboost spike like in the stock K04 and so the power delivery is more manageable......Just a big solid push back into the seat all the way to the redline!
Stop it!
La la la la la la la laaaa laaaa I'm not listening! Lol :scared:
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You know you want to Mike!!!! :driver:
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Laaa Laaa laaaa Laaa la la la la la Laaa
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John
Will you buy a Golf R please and put us all out of our misery.......
Lots of people enjoyed what you did with the Eddy without having to do it themselves ......
On the lookout for a cheap polo!
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Do what the man says John :popcornsoda:
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John
Will you buy a Golf R please and put us all out of our misery.......
Lots of people enjoyed what you did with the Eddy without having to do it themselves ......
On the lookout for a cheap polo!
It'll have to be a cancelled order or second hand one as the closing date for new build R orders was 13th June... :smiley:
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There's only three.
S3 in Germany (pictured)
Statlers GTI
One on reserve for AKS.
The component parts are in stock evidently to build some more.
And a GolfR
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John
Will you buy a Golf R please and put us all out of our misery.......
Lots of people enjoyed what you did with the Eddy without having to do it themselves ......
On the lookout for a cheap polo!
It'll have to be a cancelled order or second hand one as the closing date for new build R orders was 13th June... :smiley:
Doesn't need to be new.....
Pov wasn't the golf R the Stertman one which hasa lo380
Might be wrong
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Not heard much of the Lo380. I would be happy with that :love:
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Not heard much of the Lo380. I would be happy with that :love:
No you wouldn't Mike.....look into my eyes, deeeep into my eyes, repeat after me.....
Must buy a Loba Lo4XX, musssst buy a Loba Lo4XX. :evilgrin:
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Not heard much of the Lo380. I would be happy with that :love:
There doesnt seem to be much info on that turbo at all but knowing Loba it obviously delivers.
Ive asked a couple of questions on vagoc anyway.
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I was approached when there was an oppurtunity to provide a donor car but parent hood + meagre salary said I couldnt finance it :sad1:
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The new BSH intake would compliment this turbo very well if it clears the brake reservoir on RHD's
Its placed behind the drivers side headlight - Short Ram and doesnt sit over the turbo manifold, getting hot!!
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The new BSH intake would compliment this turbo very well if it clears the brake reservoir on RHD's
Its placed behind the drivers side headlight - Short Ram and doesnt sit over the turbo manifold, getting hot!!
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John
Will you buy a Golf R please and put us all out of our misery.......
Lots of people enjoyed what you did with the Eddy without having to do it themselves ......
On the lookout for a cheap polo!
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The new BSH intake would compliment this turbo very well if it clears the brake reservoir on RHD's
Its placed behind the drivers side headlight - Short Ram and doesnt sit over the turbo manifold, getting hot!!
:worthless:
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Should I really be considering Intake no. 5?
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Should I really be considering Intake no. 5?
:driver: YES !!
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Ooh, now that looks nice. Wouldn't fit over my stage 2 manifold that I'm not in any way thinking of getting! :laugh:
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A quick mod to the dv pipe would clear the stg 2 manifold your not in any way thinking of getting :laugh:
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A quick mod to the dv pipe would clear the stg 2 manifold your not in any way thinking of getting :laugh:
Possibly, but would the mod clear the direct port WMI that would not in any way be there too? :laugh:
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Has it made way for the largest catch can ever made top right? :laugh:
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go on mike you know you want a new turbo and another new intake :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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go on mike you know you want a new turbo and another new intake :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Ok guys, just realised and confirmed with Steve that the intake they are using is 3" diameter and not 70mm diameter which is the normal diameter that the MAF calculates on. This means that the MAF is wrong on VCDS by 18% and the reading should be more like 390mg/s. :surprised: That means they are running somewhere in the region of 485bhp and they have only just started tuning!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone check my calculations but this is what I've done......
Pi x radius squared = area of MAF
3.14 x (35mmx35mm) = 3846.5mm2 for stock MAF size.
3.14 x (38.1mmx38.1mm) = 4558mm2 for Statllers 3" intake size
4558/3846.5 = 1.184
or 18.4% increase in volume given that speed is constant.
This could prove very interesting from here on in :party:
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They must be using the giac map still then as the revo doesn't support the larger maf.
If that's the case then the maf readings would be scaled for the giac map and will be correct.
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They must be using the giac map still then as the revo doesn't support the larger maf.
If that's the case then the maf readings would be scaled for the giac map and will be correct.
I'll double check tomorrow, but I'm sure Steve said that they were moving away from the GIAC map. :smiley:
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I think he should just put it on the dyno with the beta file on it and see if your calcs are correct.
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Get him to put it onto a decent set of rollers though!!! Wander if he will beat 400hp on a set of dynodynamics. From what i have seen on my own and other people cars MAHA reads 15-20Hp higher than dynodynamics rollers
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Let's not get too giddy, talk of 480BHP is theoretical at best, I'd be happy if that was 10% out.
That would still be stage 2+ TTRS output on your edition 30.
Quick look on autotrader gets me a 2010 KO4 TTS for £18000 nearest TTRS is £10k more
The soundtrack issue could be sorted with a milly or the boys at BCS
TTS Chassis is the same as the TTRS except brakes which aren't great anyway.
Have LOBA just made TTRS tuning defunct?
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Is there a map for the DSG on a TTRS?
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Still don't think you could beat the 5 cylinder warble Dave!....not for my money anyways!
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Indeed but id rather keep the 10k!
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Get him to put it onto a decent set of rollers though!!! Wander if he will beat 400hp on a set of dynodynamics. From what i have seen on my own and other people cars MAHA reads 15-20Hp higher than dynodynamics rollers
Dyno figures drive me nuts. I Got 341 on DynoDynamics and 346 on Maha :confused:
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Dyno figures drive me nuts. I Got 341 on DynoDynamics and 346 on Maha :confused:
....But a 5 bhp difference is nothing! Rollers and atmospherics etc are different everyday. The numbers are only a ballpark guide.
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Dyno figures drive me nuts. I Got 341 on DynoDynamics and 346 on Maha :confused:
....But a 5 bhp difference is nothing! Rollers and atmospherics etc are different everyday. The numbers are only a ballpark guide.
5hp is nothing, yet there are meant to be considerable differences between the 2 dynos :confused:
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Dyno figures drive me nuts. I Got 341 on DynoDynamics and 346 on Maha :confused:
....But a 5 bhp difference is nothing! Rollers and atmospherics etc are different everyday. The numbers are only a ballpark guide.
5hp is nothing, yet there are meant to be considerable differences between the 2 dynos :confused:
....Which is why it's more useful to use the same rollers and same operator if making comparisons (partly why i use JKM). No reason why you can't consistently use more than one though - In other words, regularly use Dyno-Dynamics and also Maha, and then compare Maha only with Maha and D-D only with D-D.
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Engine out & bench dyno :laugh:
Dont hear much about hub Dynos, I have access to one. Anyone any experience?
So many variables in both Dyno and road / track testing
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Ultimately the bottom line is all about driveability, not willy waving or bragging in the pub.
Performance modding is a subject of diminishing returns and the further you go the more there is then another component which needs modding to work properly.
If you have deep pockets then it doesn't matter.
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Indeed Robin, been speaking to LOBA this morning over another matter, they're not expecting anybody to go around at max chat with this thing, they're obviously interested in what it will do if pushed if only to compare real world figures to what the designers say it should theoretically push.
As with the TTRS turbos and the Porsche / RS4 turbos with which they made their name in Germany, they'll be expecting customers to turn it down and have über good driving manners knowing they can have headline figures at the load of a map
It's one exciting prospect....it's making me look at S3s!
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Indeed but id rather keep the 10k!
Err yees true.
Not that I am in the market for said TTRS or even a TTS; or even these lovely Loba turbos :sad1:
Lotto win needed!
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I had my stage 2 eddy set up on revo on a hub dyno.
Very precise bits of kit in the right hands
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3k for a bolt on? can get a GTX turbo & fancy manifold for that. Dont get me wrong I like the idea of the turbo but if its near that price you might aswell go big turbo with tub manifold.
I know steve pretty well now as hes worked on my car for over 2 years. Am going to pop up & have a chat but the next thing for mine will be brakes off Dave B before anything else happens
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Let's not get too giddy, talk of 480BHP is theoretical at best, I'd be happy if that was 10% out.
That would still be stage 2+ TTRS output on your edition 30.
Quick look on autotrader gets me a 2010 KO4 TTS for £18000 nearest TTRS is £10k more
The soundtrack issue could be sorted with a milly or the boys at BCS
TTS Chassis is the same as the TTRS except brakes which aren't great anyway.
Still don't think you could beat the 5 cylinder warble Dave!....not for my money anyways!
Ditto on that one.. :happy2:
Indeed but id rather keep the 10k!
But that's before you pay out for the hybrid and any other parts that are needed inc labour.. That would make a huge dint in your 10k and you would be driving round in car that's on the limit of it's internals. This is before you take into account the residuals..
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They must be using the giac map still then as the revo doesn't support the larger maf.
If that's the case then the maf readings would be scaled for the giac map and will be correct.
I'll double check tomorrow, but I'm sure Steve said that they were moving away from the GIAC map. :smiley:
For the Golf Loba project they are using Revo. I think for the Porsche they are using Evomsit.
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This setup is great if you already have all the stage 2+ goodies. Keeps stock intake, downpipe etc.
But if you have a GTi AXX/BWA engine you need rods and headstuds, but on the ed30 lump you should get away with it. I would add headstuds though if it was me.
If Revo won't do a purpose built map for it then the stage 3/4 map will work with rs4 injectors and a manual boost controller.
With the vRS's current setup, on track at brunters a few weeks ago I was easily pulling on a mapped ttrs and a mapped rs5. A Porsche turbo did sail past me though on the straight.
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They must be using the giac map still then as the revo doesn't support the larger maf.
If that's the case then the maf readings would be scaled for the giac map and will be correct.
I'll double check tomorrow, but I'm sure Steve said that they were moving away from the GIAC map. :smiley:
For the Golf Loba project they are using Revo. I think for the Porsche they are using Evomsit.
I'll give Steve a call tomorrow and find out how they are running the revo with the 3" maf housing.
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Let's not get too giddy, talk of 480BHP is theoretical at best, I'd be happy if that was 10% out.
That would still be stage 2+ TTRS output on your edition 30.
Quick look on autotrader gets me a 2010 KO4 TTS for £18000 nearest TTRS is £10k more
The soundtrack issue could be sorted with a milly or the boys at BCS
TTS Chassis is the same as the TTRS except brakes which aren't great anyway.
Still don't think you could beat the 5 cylinder warble Dave!....not for my money anyways!
Ditto on that one.. :happy2:
Indeed but id rather keep the 10k!
But that's before you pay out for the hybrid and any other parts that are needed inc labour.. That would make a huge dint in your 10k and you would be driving round in car that's on the limit of it's internals. This is before you take into account the residuals..
I would say most of the £10k would be gone - as would the warranty. Very good points.
Plus if you managed to come up with a few more £££ after buying th TTRS you'd have a huge amount of potential.
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
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450bhp.......? front wheels......? :scared:
If a BTCC car can manage with 300-350bhp and go like sh*t off a shovel (with a few exceptions, not mentioning any names) then why is that not enough for everyone? :driver:
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450bhp.......? front wheels......? :scared:
If a BTCC car can manage with 300-350bhp and go like sh*t off a shovel (with a few exceptions, not mentioning any names) then why is that not enough for everyone? :driver:
If the btcc regs stated they could run 450bhp then that's what would be run. Then they would go like slippery sh*t off a shovel.
The old ibiza was fwd running around 440 bhp and was great on the road and track. All about learning how to control the power on the corners then using the full potential on the straights.
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450bhp.......? front wheels......? :scared:
If a BTCC car can manage with 300-350bhp and go like sh*t off a shovel (with a few exceptions, not mentioning any names) then why is that not enough for everyone? :driver:
If the btcc regs stated they could run 450bhp then that's what would be run. Then they would go like slippery sh*t off a shovel.
The old ibiza was fwd running around 440 bhp and was great on the road and track. All about learning how to control the power on the corners then using the full potential on the straights.
Have to agree with Alex on this. :happy2:
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I guess you do have a point alex. But your not telling me that a mk5 with a LO4XX running 450bhp is gonna get anywhere near a BTCC Honda civic around a track? Surly 350bhp with the the works thrown at the chassis, and some driving skills is > loads of power.
Or am I in party pooper mode again?
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I guess you do have a point alex. But your not telling me that a mk5 with a LO4XX running 450bhp is gonna get anywhere near a BTCC Honda civic around a track? Surly 350bhp with the the works thrown at the chassis, and some driving skills is > loads of power.
Or am I in party pooper mode again?
All really depends on the supporting mods. In a straight line then the golf would have the advantage, but for the golf to handle the same then thousands would need to be spent, but I think you would be surprised how close the golf could be.
Once the loba is fitted to the vRS then pop down and come out in it. Hopefully I can show how the power can be managed.
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OOOOo yes... i'd be up for a bit of that! :happy2: (id still take the Civic/BMW BTCC car though :smiley: )
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
In a idea world that would be great, we have a few project cars but the amount of turbos we make devlope not only for us but also others it's not a option, we are a small company and not tuners so we rely on good partners to give us feed back. This particular project came About due to my close freinds telling me how well statllers cars went at 30-130 against there cars, I apouched steve asking him if he'd like to be involved in product delvelopment and LOBA products, he jumped at the chance hence why your seeing this here in the UK on statllers company car.
This turbo is a prototype and this is real world testing it's been done public so as to share many are not ! Would you prefer us to not share?
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I guess you do have a point alex. But your not telling me that a mk5 with a LO4XX running 450bhp is gonna get anywhere near a BTCC Honda civic around a track? Surly 350bhp with the the works thrown at the chassis, and some driving skills is > loads of power.
Or am I in party pooper mode again?
All really depends on the supporting mods. In a straight line then the golf would have the advantage, but for the golf to handle the same then thousands would need to be spent, but I think you would be surprised how close the golf could be.
Once the loba is fitted to the vRS then pop down and come out in it. Hopefully I can show how the power can be managed.
This an open invitation Alex? lol
Wouldn't mind a night in Bedford again ha.
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I guess you do have a point alex. But your not telling me that a mk5 with a LO4XX running 450bhp is gonna get anywhere near a BTCC Honda civic around a track? Surly 350bhp with the the works thrown at the chassis, and some driving skills is > loads of power.
Or am I in party pooper mode again?
All really depends on the supporting mods. In a straight line then the golf would have the advantage, but for the golf to handle the same then thousands would need to be spent, but I think you would be surprised how close the golf could be.
Once the loba is fitted to the vRS then pop down and come out in it. Hopefully I can show how the power can be managed.
This an open invitation Alex? lol
Wouldn't mind a night in Bedford again ha.
Definitely open :happy2:
I think that its going to turn out to be a great turbo. You may have to book a few nights in Bedford while the turbo gets fitted to the cupra after the vRS test drive!
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I guess you do have a point alex. But your not telling me that a mk5 with a LO4XX running 450bhp is gonna get anywhere near a BTCC Honda civic around a track? Surly 350bhp with the the works thrown at the chassis, and some driving skills is > loads of power.
Or am I in party pooper mode again?
All really depends on the supporting mods. In a straight line then the golf would have the advantage, but for the golf to handle the same then thousands would need to be spent, but I think you would be surprised how close the golf could be.
Once the loba is fitted to the vRS then pop down and come out in it. Hopefully I can show how the power can be managed.
This an open invitation Alex? lol
Wouldn't mind a night in Bedford again ha.
Definitely open :happy2:
I think that its going to turn out to be a great turbo. You may have to book a few nights in Bedford while the turbo gets fitted to the cupra after the vRS test drive!
I'll check room availability at the Swan lol
This may well be a strong possibility haha.
Wonder if ITG will produce an intake pipe.
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Judging by how much ITG are in bed with APR at the min that is highly unlikely i would say :stupid:
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Judging by how much ITG are in bed with APR at the min that is highly unlikely i would say :stupid:
Oh dear. I didn't know this. Hopefully they won't cut off their noses to spite their face then lol
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
In a idea world that would be great, we have a few project cars but the amount of turbos we make devlope not only for us but also others it's not a option, we are a small company and not tuners so we rely on good partners to give us feed back. This particular project came About due to my close freinds telling me how well statllers cars went at 30-130 against there cars, I apouched steve asking him if he'd like to be involved in product delvelopment and LOBA products, he jumped at the chance hence why your seeing this here in the UK on statllers company car.
This turbo is a prototype and this is real world testing it's been done public so as to share many are not ! Would you prefer us to not share?
Welcome aboard Si. :happy2:
Si has been very helpful and informative and honest in his posts on VAGOC and after having one of Loba's turbos on my car, seeing the Loba L04XX on the Golf (and driving it!) plus seeing some of the quality of their brakes at Inters I am certainly a convert to the quality and performance of their products and wouldn't hesitate to use any future car I may get for development with them if I had the chance.
Robin, I understand your point, but Loba cannot cover all the bases with their own test cars as they make products for everything including the Loba turbo upgrades on Porsche turbo's and RS6's.
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Night out in Bedford!
I'd be insisting on a discount if you were going to be exposing me to that!
Back to the turbo
It's a good discussion about putting that much power through FWD and having some exposure to a Stage 1 DSG RS3 with 420BHP it's a very fun drive that's mildly addictive with the AWD.
Being pragmatic its a AWD turbo but there's a good few Stg2+ and big turbo GTIs knocking about...did they all waste their money?
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
Come on Robin are you serious? So every product they bring out they should buy a car to test it on. How much to you think that product will then cost, because be sure the cost will be past on to the consumer.
Do APR, Revo, Milltek buy there own cars for each individual product..... NO.
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I like the sound of discount.
You listening Alex ;-)
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
Come on Robin are you serious? So every product they bring out they should buy a car to test it on. How much to you think that product will then cost, because be sure the cost will be past on to the consumer.
Do APR, Revo, Milltek buy there own cars for each individual product..... NO.
....Er, Milltek, Revo, and I think APR, DO buy their own cars to develop their products as well as on willing customer's cars.
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
This turbo is a prototype and this is real world testing it's been done public so as to share many are not ! Would you prefer us to not share?
.....Where did I say that I would prefer you not to share, Mr Lobo?
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
Come on Robin are you serious? So every product they bring out they should buy a car to test it on. How much to you think that product will then cost, because be sure the cost will be past on to the consumer.
Do APR, Revo, Milltek buy there own cars for each individual product..... NO.
....Er, Milltek, Revo, and I think APR, DO buy their own cars to develop their products as well as on willing customer's cars.
They have the odd company car but in no way do they buy a car for every map they sell. It would seem you are suggesting Loba buy a car for every turbo they sell?
Your wrong pure and simple.
APR im pretty sure are using JonnyC's car as a guinea pig, maybe they should go buy an TTRS along with there Golf R. :stupid:
If they can get a willing tuner to test the turbo and in doing so reduce the cost to the customer then im all for it and im willing to bet Steve@statller and Alex@AKS are too.
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
Come on Robin are you serious? So every product they bring out they should buy a car to test it on. How much to you think that product will then cost, because be sure the cost will be past on to the consumer.
Do APR, Revo, Milltek buy there own cars for each individual product..... NO.
....Er, Milltek, Revo, and I think APR, DO buy their own cars to develop their products as well as on willing customer's cars.
tbh Robin we are not in the same finances as the above
We bought two new 2.0tfsi s3 engines (hence the picture at beginning of thread) to develop products for and our company CEO bought a S3, and of the back of this and engine dyno work that we cant share due to NDA agreements you see this unit LO4XX as well as new things to come soon HPFP, Pistons, and Turbos, also been testing rods
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
This turbo is a prototype and this is real world testing it's been done public so as to share many are not ! Would you prefer us to not share?
.....Where did I say that I would prefer you not to share, Mr Lobo?
whats with the LOBO .... BOBIN ? LOL
You never but you saying we should not be using partners, and the only reason you know of this unit is because we deside to show we could have done behind closed doors
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I guess you do have a point alex. But your not telling me that a mk5 with a LO4XX running 450bhp is gonna get anywhere near a BTCC Honda civic around a track? Surly 350bhp with the the works thrown at the chassis, and some driving skills is > loads of power.
Or am I in party pooper mode again?
All really depends on the supporting mods. In a straight line then the golf would have the advantage, but for the golf to handle the same then thousands would need to be spent, but I think you would be surprised how close the golf could be.
Once the loba is fitted to the vRS then pop down and come out in it. Hopefully I can show how the power can be managed.
This an open invitation Alex? lol
Wouldn't mind a night in Bedford again ha.
Definitely open :happy2:
I think that its going to turn out to be a great turbo. You may have to book a few nights in Bedford while the turbo gets fitted to the cupra after the vRS test drive!
I'll check room availability at the Swan lol
This may well be a strong possibility haha.
Wonder if ITG will produce an intake pipe.
I'll be producing a pipe that will have the same oe position as the original turbo. This way any intake will fit straigh on with this turbo. The pipe will also allow the breather pipes to bolt on in the original position.
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Not before making an uprated TB pipe! :P
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I'm sure APR are using Janner Sy's vRS to develop the map for the Loba hybrid on the 1.4 Twin charger.....
And a few years ago I think DanGB was the guinea pig to test the APR stage 3 kit for 2.0 TFSI motor.
Fact is the industry suits this type of set up....willing punters who don't mind lending companies their cars to test new products and ideas. If this wasn't the case the pace of development would be mega slow and products expensive due to the extra R&D involved
So good on ya Mr Loba :happy2:
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Very interesting tread, please share all info possible mr. LOBA :happy2:
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Come on Robin
people like forge are forever borrowing customers cars to experiment on.
It also need saying you've benefited probably more than most by making your car available for components...
Not having a go, LOBA's a small successful company with more know how than revenue. It's unrealistic to expect free stuff from a company it's size, i'll hopefully be able to give away new products at some stage but until then people pay up with some discount with added support for installation and issues going forward....
Anyway back to the turbo...until somebody gets it on a car and maps it properly it's a doorstop, got a good feeling about it though, going to be a whole new avenue of tuning and all done by design - improving what we've already got and had for about 6 years that nobody's bothered with before....
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Okay, so I was ignorant of what LOBA are all about and asked some challenging questions which have been answered to the benefit of others who will read this thread and who also have never previously heard of LOBA.
However, this is one product I'd rather that others 'braver' than myself tested in their cars. :smiley: It sounds very interesting if it succeeds.
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Evening Chaps, hope your all doing well
Thought it was about time I started posting some useful input here for the many I do know and the few I haven't had the pleasure to meet yet.
Regards the Loba 4XX (Darius's Loba's little baby) the idea behind the unit was a safe 400 plus hp on a totally standard K04 power head with no more lag than say a stock K04. As we all know this power level has been reached and plenty surpassed many years ago with the legendary Garrett GT & GTX series turbo's but came at the cost of turbo lag and a turbo lag that we have now become unaccustomed too.
I do have the turbo fitted to our demo car now as a few of you already know and I can assure you that 400hp is totally real world possible as the turbo is virtually asleep at this level.
Our car is still on standard internals and I'm trying to keep it that way as to keep costs down to the end user but all importantly keep costs down and be safe & reliable.
Like most VW tuning indies we've seen a lot of Hard worked K04 motors (some very hard worked ones Mr Hurditch!) and have yet to see one detonate, I'm not assuming at all this isn't possible as we may well soon find out it is, but that would be on my own demo car which I can repair with ease and not one of my poor old customers.
I would agree headlift is the main issue which will have to be resovled, I have discussed this with a few already.
We have seen pistons let go on poorly tuned cars in the past that probably never got set up right in the first place due to lack of knowledge or maybe budget.
I can tell you one thing for sure this hybrid is of the likes you've never seen before, I know Mr Loba is keeping it a close guarded secret for now but I assure you this design could not be replicated easily or cheaply.
We have a 2WD DSG demo car and a 4WD DSG demo car, we will run this set up on both now , the 2WD & 4WD tunes will be very different I can guarantee that for sure!
We will develop tunes for Giac and Revo so customers can go with their preferred supplier
Tuning and specific live road mapping will be commencing shortly.
So now we have it for the first time ever More power than a GT28RS with no more lag than a stock K04 !
I'll keep everyone up to speed as much as I can here when I have the time that is!
Remember we undertake these new and exciting projects to eventually offer them to you guys, these new tuning options are all for you to choose what is right personally for you I'm not saying one is better than any other.
After all were all in this together !!
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Now then! Welcome along buddy!
Your not helping me in trying to convince myself I dont need the Loba unit ya swine! :fighting: haha
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Great first post....
This things certainly got the juices flowing :signLOL:
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Eye eye Micky how's the little en??
I see you've been tweaking again, glad to see you've spent the money on something worthwhile this time!!
Are you still loving the track days ? One your hooked you better get granny for sale!!
Think I'm booking on one later this month if I've got the time, I'll let you know
Ill send you the dyno results later this week hopefully you'll feel sick with the result! Hah :laugh:
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Eye eye Micky how's the little en??
I see you've been tweaking again, glad to see you've spent the money on something worthwhile this time!!
Are you still loving the track days ? One your hooked you better get granny for sale!!
Think I'm booking on one later this month if I've got the time, I'll let you know
Ill send you the dyno results later this week hopefully you'll feel sick with the result! Hah :laugh:
Propper shooting up mate, doing allsorts of new stuff he's ace :love: Cheers!
Been after the bonnet for donkeys mate!
Gonna try and do Bedford before I go to Afghan, will let you know, I need to go in that Porker...! :driver:
*waits for dyno results :popcornsoda:
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:surprised: Welcome along mate
Hurdy finaly got you on here then :grin:
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Afraid So Rob, he mentioned it was about time I came out the closet (don't know what he meant by that) :confused:
I turned the boost up this weekend for some fun driving, man it gobbles the Meth up now
Ran at 1.8 bar for data logging and was very pleasantly surprised To say the least
Early days still though plenty of heavy testing to do yet
I'll buz you next week regs your bits and pieces
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Welcome aboard Steve, glad we have yet another expert on board!! Got your voicemail reference that fan, parts fitting, and Vagcom, etc, will give you a follow-up call tomorrow..
Andy
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This project redefines the meaning of the term Guinea Pig!! LOBO should buy their own cars to use as test beds.
Why?
Forge, owens developments, etc dont. They make products, they know what to expect, and now a tuner has decided to see how much they can squeeze from it.
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Hahaa, about time you signed up on here Steve. I know you've been "lurking" for a while. :smiley:
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Kirkys registered, come say hello lad :wink:
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Easy John that sounds a bit pervy!
Thought I might be able to shed a load of confusion on here, you poor poor soles
Just so you know were doing late night dyno runs next week , disco dyno will be the theme
Hi Andy yep I'll speak to you tomoz
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Disco Dyno :jumpmove: Tickets available on the door or booking in advance only :signLOL:
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Loba FTW, i want one and i want it now. as soon as i get paid will be calling you back for a turbo :evilgrin:
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If only you were closer Steve. Would like to take a drive before I buy one.
I'll try and give you a call tomorrow. Need to gang up on revo to get a true off the shelf map.
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Afraid So Rob, he mentioned it was about time I came out the closet (don't know what he meant by that) :confused:
I turned the boost up this weekend for some fun driving, man it gobbles the Meth up now
Ran at 1.8 bar for data logging and was very pleasantly surprised To say the least
Early days still though plenty of heavy testing to do yet
I'll buz you next week regs your bits and pieces
Cheers mate
When i come down for the clutch i deff want a ride in this. Will i need some spare pants just in case? :ashamed: :grin:
Looking forward to how it turns out :innocent:
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Your Audi is not better than a Porsche if you think it is go drive a new Porsche it's not about how quick it is it's about how good the car is,you can make any car faster it's just a 911 is a very special place to sit and drive
My mate has driven all the Porsches, and still reckons the new Cayman R (as a drivers car) wipes the 911's Ar$e.
Personally if I had the £80K to spend, a 911 turbo would not even be considered :sick:
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Your Audi is not better than a Porsche if you think it is go drive a new Porsche it's not about how quick it is it's about how good the car is,you can make any car faster it's just a 911 is a very special place to sit and drive
My mate has driven all the Porsches, and still reckons the new Cayman R (as a drivers car) wipes the 911's Ar$e.
Personally if I had the £80K to spend, a 911 turbo would not even be considered :sick:
And I thought you were orginally joking! :signLOL:
As a drivers car my mates 911 turbo is much better than my TTRS. As a day to day proposition I think the audi is much better.
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Your Audi is not better than a Porsche if you think it is go drive a new Porsche it's not about how quick it is it's about how good the car is,you can make any car faster it's just a 911 is a very special place to sit and drive
My mate has driven all the Porsches, and still reckons the new Cayman R (as a drivers car) wipes the 911's Ar$e.
Personally if I had the £80K to spend, a 911 turbo would not even be considered :sick:
And I thought you were orginally joking! :signLOL:
As a drivers car my mates 911 turbo is much better than my TTRS. As a day to day proposition I think the audi is much better.
Poverty, each to their own mate, I don't like Porsches full stop!!
Sort of like marmite!! :signLOL:
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your mate has driven them :signLOL: have you ever driven one ?
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I drove a 911 a while back and I loved it, I preferred it to the 360.... but thats another thread!
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your mate has driven them :signLOL: have you ever driven one ?
I've never driven a 997, but I'm put off them because of their looks.
Like Clarkson says, they all look the same, sort of remind me of SAAB, they never come out with something original :popcornsoda:
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its called a 911 why would they change the shape as it would not be a 911 if it did not keep to the 911 design
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its called a 911 why would they change the shape as it would not be a 911 if it did not keep to the 911 design
There is keeping the same shape and keeping the same shape!!!
I've seen bananas that look more different :signLOL:
Let's just agree to disagree :happy2:
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its called a 911 why would they change the shape as it would not be a 911 if it did not keep to the 911 design
There is keeping the same shape and keeping the same shape!!!
I've seen bananas that look more different :signLOL:
Let's just agree to disagree :happy2:
I am not a Porsche fan either, i'm lucky in the position of having driven several of them over the last 10 years as my mate is a massive Porsche 911 Fanboy and is currently on his 9th Porker and I have driven 5 of the 9 he has had (He won't let me near his latest GT3 RS :grin:) probably as I will get out and say "Rather have a 458" :signLOL:
The 911's of his I have driven:-
911 RS (993)
911 Carrera 4 (996) (He bought this for his wife but she did not want it, although in his divorce she suddenly wanted it :grin:)
911 GT3 (996)
911 Turbo (996)
911 GT2
911 Turbo S
Had to say I preferred the 911 RS (993) purely based on looks.
He still keeps trying to convert me as he knows i'm a huge Ferrari fanboy and he hates ferrari's, ETTO :signLOL:
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Hahaa, about time you signed up on here Steve. I know you've been "lurking" for a while. :smiley:
Voyeurism??? :signLOL:
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What day is the disco dyno dude? Count me in. Need to drop you some ££££ in as well. Did you order me the bsh hardpipe so i can get my cooler plumbed in?
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its called a 911 why would they change the shape as it would not be a 911 if it did not keep to the 911 design
There is keeping the same shape and keeping the same shape!!!
I've seen bananas that look more different :signLOL:
Let's just agree to disagree :happy2:
I am not a Porsche fan either, i'm lucky in the position of having driven several of them over the last 10 years as my mate is a massive Porsche 911 Fanboy and is currently on his 9th Porker and I have driven 5 of the 9 he has had (He won't let me near his latest GT3 RS :grin:) probably as I will get out and say "Rather have a 458" :signLOL:
The 911's of his I have driven:-
911 RS (993)
911 Carrera 4 (996) (He bought this for his wife but she did not want it, although in his divorce she suddenly wanted it :grin:)
911 GT3 (996)
911 Turbo (996)
911 GT2
911 Turbo S
Had to say I preferred the 911 RS (993) purely based on looks.
He still keeps trying to convert me as he knows i'm a huge Ferrari fanboy and he hates ferrari's, ETTO :signLOL:
My sentiments exactly :happy2:
My mate also actually bought a brand new GT3 RS and sold it after 3 months as he couldn't get on with it as a daily drive - he's now got a TTRS :signLOL:
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911 Carrera 4 (996) (He bought this for his wife but she did not want it, although in his divorce she suddenly wanted it :grin:)
....Why am I not surprised? :laugh:
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In the good old U S of A there are businesses which cater for divorce parties for women!
To get back on topic (unusual for me): Now that I understand better what the LobA turbo is being developed to do, does this mean that it should be possible to remap so that the power doesn't cause wheelspin and loss of traction?
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What day is the disco dyno dude? Count me in. Need to drop you some ££££ in as well. Did you order me the bsh hardpipe so i can get my cooler plumbed in?
Eyup Gaz,
Its ok I've put your picture up on the wall 'WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE' :signLOL:
Disco dyno is towards the end of the week, I'll get the TB pipe sorted for you and I've ordered a spare meth kit too, cos I can read you like a book!! :smiley:
We personally thought we'd done garbage at Inters but apparently we came second and you third in the MK5 + MK6 cat so not bad for a couple of hill billys from Sheffield hmm?? (told you your little motor was quick)
Need to get that disco dyno'd too!!
Prob see you this week
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If only you were closer Steve. Would like to take a drive before I buy one.
I'll try and give you a call tomorrow. Need to gang up on revo to get a true off the shelf map.
No probs to give me a tink your more than welcome and I agree with you about Revo.
We are running very stable fuel trims and intake temps with the GIAC flash though, This thing does have some serious grunt to give
Remember this turbo is the little baby of the bunch I'm pretty sure they can be made a lot bigger, I would imagine GT30/76 ish power is no problem with a lot lot less lag
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If only you were closer Steve. Would like to take a drive before I buy one.
I'll try and give you a call tomorrow. Need to gang up on revo to get a true off the shelf map.
No probs to give me a tink your more than welcome and I agree with you about Revo.
We are running very stable fuel trims and intake temps with the GIAC flash though, This thing does have some serious grunt to give
Remember this turbo is the little baby of the bunch I'm pretty sure they can be made a lot bigger, I would imagine GT30/76 ish power is no problem with a lot lot less lag
Had a chat with one of the lads down there earlier as you were busy. Just need to get hold of Simon at Loba and get things going.
Just need you to hurry up with dyno figures!
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few Pictures of Statllers project GTI LO4XX
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Si, do you have an estimated retail price on this? Meant to ask on the phone earlier.
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Not as yet alex
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I do think you guys need to gang up on REVO and make them produce a map. Get JKM to stick one on their 2.0TSi octavia as well!!!!
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its called a 911 why would they change the shape as it would not be a 911 if it did not keep to the 911 design
There is keeping the same shape and keeping the same shape!!!
I've seen bananas that look more different :signLOL:
Let's just agree to disagree :happy2:
I am not a Porsche fan either, i'm lucky in the position of having driven several of them over the last 10 years as my mate is a massive Porsche 911 Fanboy and is currently on his 9th Porker and I have driven 5 of the 9 he has had (He won't let me near his latest GT3 RS :grin:) probably as I will get out and say "Rather have a 458" :signLOL:
The 911's of his I have driven:-
911 RS (993)
911 Carrera 4 (996) (He bought this for his wife but she did not want it, although in his divorce she suddenly wanted it :grin:)
911 GT3 (996)
911 Turbo (996)
911 GT2
911 Turbo S
Had to say I preferred the 911 RS (993) purely based on looks.
He still keeps trying to convert me as he knows i'm a huge Ferrari fanboy and he hates ferrari's, ETTO :signLOL:
My sentiments exactly :happy2:
My mate also actually bought a brand new GT3 RS and sold it after 3 months as he couldn't get on with it as a daily drive - he's now got a TTRS :signLOL:
My mate's GT3 RS is strictly his track toy, he shipped it off to a german tuning company on a low loader to have some work done on it so with its slick tyres it now only goes on the track on dry days, his daily driver is a Merc SL65 :happy2:, his new wife drives a Golf :happy2:
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What day is the disco dyno dude? Count me in. Need to drop you some ££££ in as well. Did you order me the bsh hardpipe so i can get my cooler plumbed in?
Eyup Gaz,
Its ok I've put your picture up on the wall 'WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE' :signLOL:
Disco dyno is towards the end of the week, I'll get the TB pipe sorted for you and I've ordered a spare meth kit too, cos I can read you like a book!! :smiley:
We personally thought we'd done garbage at Inters but apparently we came second and you third in the MK5 + MK6 cat so not bad for a couple of hill billys from Sheffield hmm?? (told you your little motor was quick)
Need to get that disco dyno'd too!!
Prob see you this week
Ha ha, yes mate i saw the times. I had the second quickest 0-60 time i think as well. Well chuffed and yes you do seem to have a habit of reading my mind. I'll be down one day this week about that meth kit. :evilgrin:
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Here we go chaps
Just had a quick run on the dyno just now.
This is not a specific Loba file, its my old GIAC tune
Remeber there is more to come from this
Were going direct port meth next.
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Wow :happy2:
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Here we go chaps
Just had a quick run on the dyno just now.
This is not a specific Loba file, its my old GIAC tune
Remeber there is more to come from this
Were going direct port meth next.
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Fookin hell, cant wait to see what this thing can do with a proper map. :confused:
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Looking good Steve, Have you got my txt ive sent you tonight?
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450bhp and a massive torque curve with still more to come, that is very impressive!
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Here we go chaps
Just had a quick run on the dyno just now.
This is not a specific Loba file, its my old GIAC tune
Remeber there is more to come from this
Were going direct port meth next.
:drool: :driver: :congrats:
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wow, thats crazy. i want one now :driver:
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Looking good Steve, Have you got my txt ive sent you tonight?
Sure did my man, sorry I didn't get back to you earlier just gone a bit turbo at the shop right now so super stressed out!!
You popping in Friday then dude?
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OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG,!!!!
*runs off looking for DSG Golf R's*
:driver:
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Realistically I reckon its going to cost around 3.5 to 4k to get the turbo and fit it along with the stage 2+ parts needed.
Great figures Steve. Will it rev past 6.5k or is the dsg holding back?
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Realistically I reckon its going to cost around 3.5 to 4k to get the turbo and fit it along with the stage 2+ parts needed.
Great figures Steve. Will it rev past 6.5k or is the dsg holding back?
Just so as you know got TTRS rear hubs too.......that'll be next....
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Realistically I reckon its going to cost around 3.5 to 4k to get the turbo and fit it along with the stage 2+ parts needed.
Great figures Steve. Will it rev past 6.5k or is the dsg holding back?
Just so as you know got TTRS rear hubs too.......that'll be next....
Found an r32 diff, haldex and subframe local today, so the ttrs hubs could be a possibility! Just need a fuel tank, prop and gearbox and I'm sorted.
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Realistically I reckon its going to cost around 3.5 to 4k to get the turbo and fit it along with the stage 2+ parts needed.
Great figures Steve. Will it rev past 6.5k or is the dsg holding back?
Thanks AL
In all honesty We quickly strapped it down tonight and ran it with no prep what so ever, old plugs & other things etc
It seems pretty much done at 6600 on the graph but as I said the plugs are old in the car, I think with better ignition we could be better at the top so I'm going to experiment next with the plugs we use in the big power porkers and try direct port meth as its a pretty cheap upgrade from single port. The car feels very strong on the rollers though you'll know what I mean by that, even with the retarders set at 40% it pulls through turbine smooth just like a rocket, it feels like your in a gear lower than you actually are Its a very wide power band indeed!
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I've gone semi back to basics on plugs recently and I'm getting good results with ngk bkur7et's. 8's are also available. Mine revs up to 7.5 much smoother now with these. Bloody cheap too.
Teff is using these too.
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I thought 8s were best for big stage 2 and beyond?
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Realistically I reckon its going to cost around 3.5 to 4k to get the turbo and fit it along with the stage 2+ parts needed.
Great figures Steve. Will it rev past 6.5k or is the dsg holding back?
Probably more like £5k when you add in all the other bits needed over stage 2+. Still cheaper than a GTX3071 and it will have way less turbo lag.
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I've gone semi back to basics on plugs recently and I'm getting good results with ngk bkur7et's. 8's are also available. Mine revs up to 7.5 much smoother now with these. Bloody cheap too.
Teff is using these too.
Had a mk6 stage 2 car on the dyno a while back the guy had brought some super duper plugs (his words) our words IK24's along with him, cut a long story short the stock Bosch plugs went straight back in and I'm not talking a few horses down !!
I'm using stock Bosch TTRS plugs they seem to work best for me on this car, we adjust the gap a little though
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Anyone got some GTX30 and GTX28 graphs at all?
I know a GTX3071 is on chat at around 2000rpm on a TTRS, so Id assume on a 2.0TFSI it would come in 800rpm later at worst?
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I've gone semi back to basics on plugs recently and I'm getting good results with ngk bkur7et's. 8's are also available. Mine revs up to 7.5 much smoother now with these. Bloody cheap too.
Teff is using these too.
Had a mk6 stage 2 car on the dyno a while back the guy had brought some super duper plugs (his words) our words IK24's along with him, cut a long story short the stock Bosch plugs went straight back in and I'm not talking a few horses down !!
I'm using stock Bosch TTRS plugs they seem to work best for me on this car, we adjust the gap a little though
Us TTRS guys have switched to race plugs, give those a try, either denso or NGK.
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I've gone semi back to basics on plugs recently and I'm getting good results with ngk bkur7et's. 8's are also available. Mine revs up to 7.5 much smoother now with these. Bloody cheap too.
Teff is using these too.
Had a mk6 stage 2 car on the dyno a while back the guy had brought some super duper plugs (his words) our words IK24's along with him, cut a long story short the stock Bosch plugs went straight back in and I'm not talking a few horses down !!
I'm using stock Bosch TTRS plugs they seem to work best for me on this car, we adjust the gap a little though
Well that is interesting. :happy2:
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I thought the DSG box was only good (safely) for 400bhp???
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I thought the DSG box was only good (safely) for 400bhp???
Torque kills gearboxes and clutches, not power. Statllers are running well under 400lbft, I was running over 500lbft before i felt clutch slip. :happy2:
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Anyone got some GTX30 and GTX28 graphs at all?
I know a GTX3071 is on chat at around 2000rpm on a TTRS, so Id assume on a 2.0TFSI it would come in 800rpm later at worst?
I'm up for a bit of plug and play when I have the time :smiley: the race plugs seem to go off fast for me might just be me though.
Ill see if I've got any GT28 dyno plots on the server still , they spool around 2850 but I always felt no useable power till 4200 ish, I've got some scoob ( sorry for swearing ) GTX30 & 35 plots I can post , the flat fours flow air really well but still nothing useable before 4k, I always felt a bit of a hooligan driving a 28 or 30 powered car, you seem to be screaming them everywhere to make good progress, no arguement for top end power though just look at the compressor maps on the GTX Garretts they do have top end pooof that's for sure
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I thought the DSG box was only good (safely) for 400bhp???
Torque kills gearboxes and clutches, not power. Statllers are running well under 400lbft, I was running over 500lbft before i felt clutch slip. :happy2:
I'm still waiting for mine to break!! I think they made my box out of the same stuff as Robocop !!
I honestly thought after the pounding and wheel hop @ Inters 2010 it would soon die but here it is plodding away still and your old one too John even after I was delving deep in its Bowels :wink:
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Looking good Steve, Have you got my txt ive sent you tonight?
Sure did my man, sorry I didn't get back to you earlier just gone a bit turbo at the shop right now so super stressed out!!
You popping in Friday then dude?
Np ive heard your busy, Yes pal should be there about 5
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Been in Steve`s car today and can say it feels alot faster and smoother (as the graph suggests) than my old GIAC Extreme + file I had on my old car.
Car is very drive-able with a constant pull of torque.
Well done , sure more to come from this turbo.
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So Chaps here's the next stage
The Direct port meth set up we'll use, an easy upgrade for anyone just make sure its jetted correctly so you don't damage the engine
We've stayed away from the alloy stage 1 & 2 manifolds for this setup simply for heat soak reasons and again to keep costs down.
The current tune on the car is not intended for WMI at all, now we can tune safely for just that
We'll carefully try to dial more ignition into the map whilst not dampening the knock sensors as some tuners do, safety will still be built into the tune
We are starting hardware specific tunes A.S.A.P , there will be a certain hardware base kit needed to reliably run the turbo and then upgraded tunes for more and more capable setups.
Some internal mods will be required at the higher stages of tune but will still be based on a stock head (very slightly modified) and stock bottom end with some subtle but necessary mods,
(By this I don't mean a built engine)
All 2WD maps will be heavily torque limited in the first few gears although 4WD will be balls out but may need gearbox mods dependent on use
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wow :happy2:
I want meth :drool:
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Well went up to see Steve today been there all morning. Ive known him for over two years now & hes worked on everything on my car & hes a top bloke. I went out in the golf today & am really impressed with the turbo & no doubt the work Steve is doing. To say this car isnt running a map for this setup yet & its running the way it does is impressive. Yes the car spins in 2nd even with 888s & a little in 3rd but after showing me a few 3rd & 4th gear runs to ---mph its really quick & cant wait to see the work finished to see what it can really do.
Just to give you an idea how good this is even at this stage in the development today while I was there his mate came in an stage 1 710bhp rs6 & rolling 30 & 40+ the golf just pulled away from it!!
Over 1500bhp right there!
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Good pic Phil - I sometimes wish that Statllers were closer to me, as their reputation & service feedback seems to be excellent.
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Another 1100+ hp pic at Statller :smiley:
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Looking for a S3 or golf R now.....can't wait for Hurdy anymore....
Mega tuning by proxy just isn't what it's cracked up to be......
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What you up to dave, why you after a golf R or S3?
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What you up to dave, why you after a golf R or S3?
So he can fit said turbo to it and make a very very quick car...
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I'll be popping down to Statllers on Tuesday for a play in their ED30. :driver:
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There talk of a very heavily instrumented stripped out car for development purposes, bit of a showcase for me with the brakes, LOBA for the power and a project for ADS in tuning and datalogging everything from your normal tuning data through to suspension travel and G levels.
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There some clever kit out in the US which as opposed to giving real time telemetry will dump each lap to a trackside transponder.
Im interested in these IR heat sensors which are double accurate both for braking and for measuring tyre temps
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The will is there just not the money at the mo!
Plan is to empirically test our own stuff and maybe hire the car out to other organisations to test their own kit and document the results. Lots of crap kit out there, should work well got some FIA licensed drivers within group and friendly to do some testing
In addition with the LOBA turbo it'll be a frickin hoot on track days and we can give sensible customers a go in a 450+ BHP Quattro car just for the crack....
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I'll be popping down to Statllers on Tuesday for a play in their ED30. :driver:
Are you now Mr H? suppose I'd better make sure its tanked up then ?
Would you be so kind as to bring my V-box back aswell plz ? got some logging to do now hah :laugh:
So come on then If you fellas don't buy an R soon, suppose I'll have too,
We need to knock Stertman 's car off the top 1/4 mile spot (nice fellas that they are :happy2:)
Let's try and prove us Brits are good for something At least!!!
As John and a few others know We are building a stripped DSG 4WD big power car for next years sprints
Should be good fun to see what this kind of set up can do when really pushed extreme etc
I checked the data logs with the old Hybrid John 303.4 maxed out @ 7350
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Oh, yes please Steve. Thought you may pop on here again. :driver:
If you want me to do some Performance box testing, I'm available at zero cost :evilgrin:
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As there is now talk of numbers produced by this turbo on Stattlers rollers . . . . . what sort of bhp does a strong K04 stg 2+ usually give on these rollers?
Im sure i have seen some dyno printouts of 380bhp +.
Just so we know where we are splodging
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As there is now talk of numbers produced by this turbo on Stattlers rollers . . . . . what sort of bhp does a strong K04 stg 2+ usually give on these rollers?
Im sure i have seen some dyno printouts of 380bhp +.
Just so we know where we are splodging
I've never had a Revo 2+ make over 360 on my road, Tell you what though, bit of octane booster and trickery with the Timing settings, back the boost off a little on fresh plugs & a nice cool day and I reckon I could get it up around there give or take! Got a few in next week I'll give it a whirl if you want ? :smiley:
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Hah Cheeky Micky! :booty:
Have you got your MFD clocks sorted yet? I have an idea, bit complex but gets you what you want in the long run.
I'll give you a tink tomoz
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Hah Cheeky Micky! :booty:
Have you got your MFD clocks sorted yet? I have an idea, bit complex but gets you what you want in the long run.
I'll give you a tink tomoz
:happy2: Complex :confused:
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Hah Cheeky Micky! :booty:
Have you got your MFD clocks sorted yet? I have an idea, bit complex but gets you what you want in the long run.
I'll give you a tink tomoz
My idea is ! Infact it's that complex I don't understand how its going to work anymore hmm ?? :stupid:
:happy2: Complex :confused:
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Gojinder's Cupra got approx 390bhp when he switched from Revo to GIAC. The print out was in the Dyno thread on here.
Thats the only print out i have seen from your rollers mind
Its good that the average is sub 360bhp though as this makes the LOba figures impressive.
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Gojinder's Cupra got approx 390bhp when he switched from Revo to GIAC. The print out was in the Dyno thread on here.
Thats the only print out i have seen from your rollers mind
Oh sorry I thought you meant Revo not Giac :happy2:
TBH It's that long since I tuned Gojinders I can't remember the numbers it made but I can look them up quite easily
(but freaky actually ive not heard from him for ages but he's in soon for running issues ??)
I don't think it ever made 390hp, but I could be wrong had lots of sleeps and a big crash since then
The GIAC extreme + cars always made around 377's on octane booster with a race file
Dam Strong at the bottom end though
I'll check tomoz
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Yeah i bought his SPS switch when he switched :driver:
I remember being shocked by his results being so good at the time.
I was'nt trying to say the rollers read high, just getting a good idea of what they would measure a strong k04 2+ at. As a referance point if you like.
There's a few on here convinced that if your getting over 330 the rollers are broke. (JKM COUGH COUGH)
On SeatCupra.net theres a few that think they have 400amdbhp :signLOL:
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Its good that the average is sub 360bhp though as this makes the LOba figures impressive.
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Sometimes especially with the GIAC cars we see big big power when freshly mapped
They normally settle after about 25-50 miles and aren't so aggressive and powerful after that
I think Garrett (GIAC's CEO) leaves quite a bit of safety in the ecu flash so it will learn to drop the aggressive ignition etc after the ecu starts to adapt
Like I said I've got a good few stg2+ cars in next week with good hardware and plenty of life left in em
I'll roll them back to back and overlay the graphs if poss
The Loba 4 should be a really cracking upgrade once it's tuned correctly.
were still finding more power in the tune as we go on
I would imagine soon we can reach the 450 without quite as much boost
It's early days yet.
All rollers read different, I know mines probably middle of the road. We see 380 WHP with the loba, most of the dyno's read similar WHP it's the calculation for the transmission loss that makes the big difference
BTW I know your not digging, I love tuning these things. It's like playtime every day at work :laugh:
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I need my cooler and map sorting dude, i'd then like to get mine on the rollers and see what the old girl is churning out. :happy2:
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Gojinder's Cupra got approx 390bhp when he switched from Revo to GIAC. The print out was in the Dyno thread on here.
Thats the only print out i have seen from your rollers mind
Oh sorry I thought you meant Revo not Giac :happy2:
TBH It's that long since I tuned Gojinders I can't remember the numbers it made but I can look them up quite easily
(but freaky actually ive not heard from him for ages but he's in soon for running issues ??)
I don't think it ever made 390hp, but I could be wrong had lots of sleeps and a big crash since then
The GIAC extreme + cars always made around 377's on octane booster with a race file
Dam Strong at the bottom end though
I'll check tomoz
Yeah i got a graph at home i think it was about 390BHP Steve, and made about 330BHP with my settings and then made 350bhp with the revo stage 2+ run when Hurdy had a little play with my settings that day. car does go well with the GIAC extreme+file :driver:
and you will never guess what, it was a the little pipe on the evoms DV that had popped of so now back to full boost :driver: :jumpmove: but still need to pop in to sort a few other issues out, prob see you saturday :happy2:
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Long time no see Goj. Car still going strong? :driver:
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as someone who is about to go K04 on my 2.0 TSI, would this be an alternative?
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Personally on the 2.0 TSi I'm not sure I'd go for the Loba LO4XX even if it did fit okay. They don't seem as strong once tuned. Shaun (Geordie) went from a 2.0TSi to a 2.0TFSi as he wasn't getting a reliable high output from the TSi. IIRC he went through turbo's?
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oh the engine can take it just fine, he was having a problem with the turbo suffering from Oil starvation to the tubo on the track, something to do with the sump and oil not getting around properly on sharp tuning IIRC. Its fitment and cost im wondering about in comparision to say the APR K04 kit.
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The TSI engine is nearly as strong as BWJ, CDL etc. It can handle nearly as much power so the loba should be a viable option. Just dont go near a track with it :scared:
The APR K04 upgrade is expensive. Its much cheaper to get a K04 from Loba and an AWE DV relocate kit . . . .sorted!!
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The TSI engine is nearly as strong as BWJ, CDL etc. It can handle nearly as much power so the loba should be a viable option. Just dont go near a track with it :scared:
The APR K04 upgrade is expensive. Its much cheaper to get a K04 from Loba and an AWE DV relocate kit . . . .sorted!!
Hi jon hows it going mate?
He might not need injectors with the tsi either as the fueling is better..... i think. Get a baffled sump :rolleye:
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The TSI engine is nearly as strong as BWJ, CDL etc. It can handle nearly as much power so the loba should be a viable option. Just dont go near a track with it :scared:
The APR K04 upgrade is expensive. Its much cheaper to get a K04 from Loba and an AWE DV relocate kit . . . .sorted!!
Hi jon hows it going mate?
He might not need injectors with the tsi either as the fueling is better..... i think. Get a baffled sump :rolleye:
Alright Rob all is well thanks, are you chasing 12's again this year? Your std clutch still holding up? must have been from the same batch as mine :rolleye:
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The TSI engine is nearly as strong as BWJ, CDL etc. It can handle nearly as much power so the loba should be a viable option. Just dont go near a track with it :scared:
The APR K04 upgrade is expensive. Its much cheaper to get a K04 from Loba and an AWE DV relocate kit . . . .sorted!!
Hi jon hows it going mate?
He might not need injectors with the tsi either as the fueling is better..... i think. Get a baffled sump :rolleye:
Alright Rob all is well thanks, are you chasing 12's again this year? Your std clutch still holding up? must have been from the same batch as mine :rolleye:
Ha might go to Pod on the 11th. Yeah clutch is holding up in road use but the pedal is starting to feel very "soft" would be dead with a few launches for sure. Wanna give it a wirl on a track with corners this year :driver:
Running 12's is sooo last year :grin:
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Gojinder's Cupra got approx 390bhp when he switched from Revo to GIAC. The print out was in the Dyno thread on here.
Thats the only print out i have seen from your rollers mind
Oh sorry I thought you meant Revo not Giac :happy2:
TBH It's that long since I tuned Gojinders I can't remember the numbers it made but I can look them up quite easily
(but freaky actually ive not heard from him for ages but he's in soon for running issues ??)
I don't think it ever made 390hp, but I could be wrong had lots of sleeps and a big crash since then
The GIAC extreme + cars always made around 377's on octane booster with a race file
Dam Strong at the bottom end though
I'll check tomoz
Yeah i got a graph at home i think it was about 390BHP Steve, and made about 330BHP with my settings and then made 350bhp with the revo stage 2+ run when Hurdy had a little play with my settings that day. car does go well with the GIAC extreme+file :driver:
and you will never guess what, it was a the little pipe on the evoms DV that had popped of so now back to full boost :driver: :jumpmove: but still need to pop in to sort a few other issues out, prob see you saturday :happy2:
Wicked mate I'm glad you sorted it! , life in the old girl yet eh
Be good to see you mate :happy2:
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The TSI engine is nearly as strong as BWJ, CDL etc. It can handle nearly as much power so the loba should be a viable option. Just dont go near a track with it :scared:
The APR K04 upgrade is expensive. Its much cheaper to get a K04 from Loba and an AWE DV relocate kit . . . .sorted!!
Hi jon hows it going mate?
He might not need injectors with the tsi either as the fueling is better..... i think. Get a baffled sump :rolleye:
Alright Rob all is well thanks, are you chasing 12's again this year? Your std clutch still holding up? must have been from the same batch as mine :
Ha might go to Pod on the 11th. Yeah clutch is holding up in road use but the pedal is starting to feel very "soft" would be dead with a few launches for sure. Wanna give it a wirl on a track with corners this year :driver:
Running 12's is sooo last year :grin:
Just PM'd you Bobby got your Clutch kit in now. Buz me tomoz if you want to get it booked in :smiley:
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Yeah ill give you a ring tomoz :happy2:
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Yeah ill give you a ring tomoz :happy2:
Flywheel looks sweet mate best I've seen so far
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Loba / Sachs jobbie? I'll be due a new kit before long. What's the damage £££?
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Loba / Sachs jobbie? I'll be due a new kit before long. What's the damage £££?
Yes Micky Lowwwba!
You know I daren't even tell you the price, you always make me feel bad! still haven't got over our MFD phonecall the other day, I thought you were going to cry at one point!!
Good tacticks though Bro :wink:
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Loba / Sachs jobbie? I'll be due a new kit before long. What's the damage £££?
Yes Micky Lowwwba!
You know I daren't even tell you the price, you always make me feel bad! still haven't got over our MFD phonecall the other day, I thought you was going to cry at one point!!
Good tacticks though Bro :wink:
alright then :signLOL:
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Yeah ill give you a ring tomoz :happy2:
Flywheel looks sweet mate best I've seen so far
:jumpmove:
I cant wait to see what my oe clutch looks like :scared:
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oh the engine can take it just fine, he was having a problem with the turbo suffering from Oil starvation to the tubo on the track, something to do with the sump and oil not getting around properly on sharp tuning IIRC. Its fitment and cost im wondering about in comparision to say the APR K04 kit.
I'd like to give a Loba a whirl on a tsi if anyone's up for it!
Your right about Shauns car, it had oil pick up issues and we decided it may have damaged the engine as it happened so many times, it ran some mental oil temps too so prob contributed to it
You can't baffle the sump properly because of the balancer shafts taking up room
But you could easily mod it to be deeper with a longer pick up
The FSi has 150 bar fuel pressure standard and Loba have a 200 bar pump in testing
So fueling is far better than even a K04 car with an autotech rail pump!
The 210 brake motor has same comp ratio as the K04 motor too
Not sure on block strength or piston materials though etc
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Think APR are putting a GT30 onto their white rocco soon and gunning for 500bhp on the TSI motor
That should find out how strong the engine is
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Long time no see Goj. Car still going strong? :driver:
Alrite Mike i know its been a while, just been super busy with other things but getting back to the imprtant things now the car lol, hows things your end!
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Long time no see Goj. Car still going strong? :driver:
Alrite Mike i know its been a while, just been super busy with other things but getting back to the imprtant things now the car lol, hows things your end!
Getting there mate. I aim to try and resist BT and spend more money on enjoying the car on track :driver:
Been a few updates to the build of late :smiley:
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Think APR are putting a GT30 onto their white rocco soon and gunning for 500bhp on the TSI motor
That should find out how strong the engine is
Correctly tuned I bet it works, it's got the fuel for it.
Just got to wait & see it blows the head clean off @ 2 bar :signLOL:
(if it's ever run at high boost that is)
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oh the engine can take it just fine, he was having a problem with the turbo suffering from Oil starvation to the tubo on the track, something to do with the sump and oil not getting around properly on sharp tuning IIRC. Its fitment and cost im wondering about in comparision to say the APR K04 kit.
I'd like to give a Loba a whirl on a tsi if anyone's up for it!
Your right about Shauns car, it had oil pick up issues and we decided it may have damaged the engine as it happened so many times, it ran some mental oil temps too so prob contributed to it
You can't baffle the sump properly because of the balancer shafts taking up room
But you could easily mod it to be deeper with a longer pick up
The FSi has 150 bar fuel pressure standard and Loba have a 200 bar pump in testing
So fueling is far better than even a K04 car with an autotech rail pump!
The 210 brake motor has same comp ratio as the K04 motor too
Not sure on block strength or piston materials though etc
I would happily let you strap one to my 2.0 TSI VRS for testing except for the slight problem being the Irish sea between us mate!
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Yeah ill give you a ring tomoz :happy2:
Flywheel looks sweet mate best I've seen so far
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I cant wait to see what my oe clutch looks like :scared:
Rob, drop me a PM with some info about your new clutch please mate :happy2:
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Yeah ill give you a ring tomoz :happy2:
Flywheel looks sweet mate best I've seen so far
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I cant wait to see what my oe clutch looks like :scared:
Rob, drop me a PM with some info about your new clutch please mate :happy2:
Havnt had it fitted yet mate as i need the car for work as im working in Southport so unless steve can do it at a weekend, which is unlikely with his work load then maybe a few weeks before i can get in for fitting.
http://www.vagoc.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=11462 :happy2:
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Long time no see Goj. Car still going strong? :driver:
Alrite Mike i know its been a while, just been super busy with other things but getting back to the imprtant things now the car lol, hows things your end!
Getting there mate. I aim to try and resist BT and spend more money on enjoying the car on track :driver:
Been a few updates to the build of late :smiley:
You have a message Mikey :happy2:
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Alex, what is the LO380 on their website.
They say good for 380bhp I believe?
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Bit more than that from what Im hearing........
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Is that just released?
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Been out a while
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I'd be happy with the 370 and mapping to suit. Would finish my car nicely
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Loba si was talking about lowering the price of this turbo when the LO4xx comes out. Would be better than running wmi for sure, would be even better in addition to wmi.
As a few have said, it would be worth it if their k04 had gone pop.
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It's quite interesting reading all this, and whilst I'd not do it, there's plenty that will and it seems great bang per buck.
Also funny that as predicted when everyone jumped ship fom REVO, it'd only be a matter of I've before something cropped up that would rival APRs offerings. Nothing has changed in the last decade eh :signLOL:
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Hi guys
LO380 been around for some time 2 or so years if I recall correct, sold many in Europe only a few in the UK
I have customers at 390+ ps and 540+ Nm I do think if in the right hands over 400 could be obtained with this unit seeing what numbers guys make on stock units If to be belived ?
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Hi Si, any word on pricing of the 380 as i think i remember you mentioning you were gonna review it once the lo4xx was nearing production.
I know quality stuff costs £££ so im not expecting crazy price drops.
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Stop namby pambying about Rob and get the L04XX on :happy2:
You know you want it. :party:
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namby pambying :grin:
Just keeping my options open :P
And on the subject of namby pambying i see no sign of a golf r purchase John you :chicken:
Edit - chicken maybe a little harsh you did put nitrous in a golf but still...... Golf R
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namby pambying :grin:
Just keeping my options open :P
And on the subject of namby pambying i see no sign of a golf r purchase John you :chicken:
Edit - chicken maybe a little harsh you did put nitrous in a golf but still...... Golf R
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Hi Rob
No offcial price change as of yet, but if you did want id sort somthing through our good freinds Statller.
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It's quite interesting reading all this, and whilst I'd not do it, there's plenty that will and it seems great bang per buck.
....That's exactly what I feel too, Mike. It's clearly a very strong product and very well thought out and there's plenty folks (not me) after the big power and big numbers. :happy2:
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Power is nothing without control :drinking:
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yep its called a throttle pedal :wink:
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yep its called a throttle pedal :wink:
....Without getting into a debate about wheelspin, are your turbo's particularly different in what they add to the power such that wheelspin actually is the choice of the driver? You could say that it's always the choice of the driver but I think we all know that mega powered FWD cars can be a bit too tricky to kill wheelspin reliably.
^ This may be a naive or ignorant question, but your LOBA turbo sounds as if it is a better product than the others currently available.
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to be honest we dont design a turbo thinking about wheel spin, tuners can map and limit as steve has now on this project, we do try to design a nice spool and so , but of course a FWD high powered car will be a handful but for me its a trade off maybe for some maybe not, ive ridden big bikes for many years 180bhp + through 1 wheel with a contact patch 3x 4 in ... ive also enjoyed small 250 and 400 type bikes
what im saying is differant things appeal to differant folk and at the end of the day YOU as the driver or rider is controlling the machine, and its fun to have lots of power for me anyhow :evilgrin:
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It's down to the mapping surely ?? You can tell a K04 to boost differently at whatever RPM / throttle angle etc etc
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got a point there Matt, but you could easily apply that argument to Stage 2+.
It's not such a further leap in radicalness this thing, and with that power available you'd have it turned down most of the time anyway
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Well, I managed to do a back to back drive in a stage 1 Golf .:R and Steve's L04XX powered ED30. The instant pull off the line is completely intoxicating and the top end power of the ED30 bends the mind!
I'm now a convert and will be looking for an .:R as of today!
A combination of the AWD of the .:R and the power of the Loba turbo does it for me. :driver:
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I cant wait for that build thread. :party:
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Why buy a Golf R. Over priced, and still a golf. Reason why l went Audi
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Why buy a Golf R. Over priced, and still a golf. Reason why l went Audi
Have you driven one in comparison with the Audi S3?
I've driven a few and the S3 is very well appointed, but doesn't feel the same. The Audi feels a little wooden compared to the Golf. I'd thought long and hard about an S3, but couldn't bring myself to buy one. Hard to put my finger on it, but it just "feels" better!?
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"Feel" is what the joy of driving is all about, in my opinion, John. :happy2:
I've been watching the Tour de France cycling and reliving what it felt like when I used to race bikes as an amateur - It suddenly struck me that the feel of the road from my racing bike was very equivalent to a taut and tactile feel in a car such as mine. I hate the caccooned marshmallow feel.
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Why buy a Golf R. Over priced, and still a golf. Reason why l went Audi
Have you driven one in comparison with the Audi S3?
I've driven a few and the S3 is very well appointed, but doesn't feel the same. The Audi feels a little wooden compared to the Golf. I'd thought long and hard about an S3, but couldn't bring myself to buy one. Hard to put my finger on it, but it just "feels" better!?
John, are there any known differences in the running gear, hardware, geometry etc? just curious
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Why buy a Golf R. Over priced, and still a golf. Reason why l went Audi
Have you driven one in comparison with the Audi S3?
I've driven a few and the S3 is very well appointed, but doesn't feel the same. The Audi feels a little wooden compared to the Golf. I'd thought long and hard about an S3, but couldn't bring myself to buy one. Hard to put my finger on it, but it just "feels" better!?
John, are there any known differences in the running gear, hardware, geometry etc? just curious
alloy lower control arms and 3 mm wider alloy hubs on the S3, compared to steel items on the R as i know of :smiley:
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Why buy a Golf R. Over priced, and still a golf. Reason why l went Audi
Have you driven one in comparison with the Audi S3?
I've driven a few and the S3 is very well appointed, but doesn't feel the same. The Audi feels a little wooden compared to the Golf. I'd thought long and hard about an S3, but couldn't bring myself to buy one. Hard to put my finger on it, but it just "feels" better!?
John, are there any known differences in the running gear, hardware, geometry etc? just curious
Not much difference. I think it is just how VW have set up the software over Audi. The ride feels better on the VW and the feedback through the steering feels different too.
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GolfR is a awesome drive!
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Why buy a Golf R. Over priced, and still a golf. Reason why l went Audi
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Why buy a Golf R. Over priced, and still a golf. Reason why l went Audi
:signLOL:
That is funny if you read it again.
I love the S3 but the R is a more modern looking car so gets my vote.
And..................its a VW not an Audi which you could argue is one of the same but the GTI/R whatever is a VW and I like GTI's!
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After owning 5 golfs and having the first R32 in Scotland l was thrilled to hear that the R32 was being carried over to the next face lift. But after driving a regular golf and then sitting inside a new R32 l found there was little or no difference, except leather seats. A walk next door and a sit in the S3 did it for me. As for the Golf R, yes it is over priced.
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Every car in the Audi range is overpriced. ;-)
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I agree about 'Audi tax' but let's not dilute this LOBA thread by spinning away from the subject [says he who is probably more guilty of going off-topic than anyone else here, often with distracting images of fit women]. I've just remembered that I've got a pic of a very attractive girlie showing serious interest in a turbo:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FHotties%2FVolks_n_Chicks%2FVolksBabe_13a.jpg&hash=2d5cd749a3e5eee6642984fecf0eebcd176160e0)
^ What every girl wants: A new turbo!
From chungster's post I can see how critical and important it is that the right map is developed to work in very close liaison with this LOBO turbo. Would the LOBO turbo run okay without the potential for any damage to other components when the map was switched to 'stock'?
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Well, I managed to do a back to back drive in a stage 1 Golf .:R and Steve's L04XX powered ED30. The instant pull off the line is completely intoxicating and the top end power of the ED30 bends the mind!
I'm now a convert and will be looking for an .:R as of today!
A combination of the AWD of the .:R and the power of the Loba turbo does it for me. :driver:
Are you going to keep the Polo?
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Well, I managed to do a back to back drive in a stage 1 Golf .:R and Steve's L04XX powered ED30. The instant pull off the line is completely intoxicating and the top end power of the ED30 bends the mind!
I'm now a convert and will be looking for an .:R as of today!
A combination of the AWD of the .:R and the power of the Loba turbo does it for me. :driver:
Are you going to keep the Polo?
Hope not, i could do with some black TD1.2s..... :innocent: :innocent:
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Are you going to keep the Polo?
Possibly, as there is still more tuning value in it yet and it would be a shame to abandon an incomplete project.
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Are you going to keep the Polo?
Possibly, as there is still more tuning value in it yet and it would be a shame to abandon an incomplete project.
Shall I get the bushes on order then? :signLOL:
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Are you going to keep the Polo?
Possibly, as there is still more tuning value in it yet and it would be a shame to abandon an incomplete project.
Shall I get the bushes on order then? :signLOL:
It's good to see you online again :drinking:
Hope you can keep it clean and remember to drink alot of fluid as it dissapates very quickly through burned skin :happy2:
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Well, Statllers have sent me a graph of the performance of their ED30 with the Loba L04XX on after some more tuning.
455bhp (400whp) and over 400lbft. :surprised:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FSTATLLER-ED30-LOBA-455HP-RUN2.jpg&hash=62da6c187d6760d41abe183248e65531a974d64d)
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sh*t the bed! :driver:
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Was looking at the LO380 charger the other day....but this LO4xx is taking the biscuit :signLOL:
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sh*t the bed indeed.
I want one.
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sh*t the bed! :driver:
Seriously mate, you want to take a trip up to aheffield and ask steve for a shot gun in it, to say its epic is an understatement, naughty speeds jist come up way too quickly :evilgrin:
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I might well do at some point. Im in doncaster every so often :happy2:
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It feels to me like the perfect trade off for a fwd car. The torque takes a little longer to peak and doesn't have the over boost spike of the OEM KO4, which means it is more controllable. It is less laggy than a Garrett turbo and so the power band is a lot more day to day useable. Add to this that the DSG copes admirably and no engine internal upgrades are needed and you have a true winner of an upgrade. Well done Loba is all I can say. :notworthy:
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Is it not a trifle expensive for a hybrid though?
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I've probably missed it earlier in the thread but what's it based on?
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Is it not a trifle expensive for a hybrid though?
It's not cheap when u get to big bhp territory! Just the way things are! :signLOL:
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I've probably missed it earlier in the thread but what's it based on?
Dreams, wheelspin and points on your licence. :innocent:
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I've probably missed it earlier in the thread but what's it based on?
Standard K04 with Loba modified inducer/exducer compressor wheels I think!
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I've probably missed it earlier in the thread but what's it based on?
Standard K04 with Loba modified inducer/exducer compressor wheels I think!
No, the specs are MUCH more impressive than that. It is more of a "Frankenstein" turbo than a hybrid KO4 turbo. Also has work done on the manifold too. I could tell you, but then Steve at Statllers would have to kill me! :laugh:
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Is it not a trifle expensive for a hybrid though?
It's not cheap when u get to big bhp territory! Just the way things are! :signLOL:
Nail on the head, I suppose this is the next stage really for a platform that basically cannot be beaten by anything more modern or three times the price, the Golf 5 based cars are IMHO that good even still today. (and I've driven some very heavy metal today indeed)
The Loba 4x unit is made from two very expensive turbo's that's the problem, its a good unit though, the compressor map is awesome.
We played with the torque limiters for the extra power here that's all.
We will be ignition fine tuning next week for use with the plasma coils as they recover way too fast and actually cause the ecu to pull timing back at the top thing is, the fueling trims, timing and intake temps are scarily stable throughout the pulls even with the dyno brakes set to 40%
I'll post some dyno video's next week for fun, this sounds like all hell let loose on the rollers :laugh:
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Ahh ok.... when I hear Hybrid, i think CR or Turbo Dynamics. Obviously this is in a different ball park altogether, hence the figures. :happy2:
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Well, Statllers have sent me a graph of the performance of their ED30 with the Loba L04XX on after some more tuning.
455bhp (400whp) and over 400lbft. :surprised:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FSTATLLER-ED30-LOBA-455HP-RUN2.jpg&hash=62da6c187d6760d41abe183248e65531a974d64d)
only 400? that's 542NM right? I thought it would be higher as the K04 can reach 520NM :confused:
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Well, Statllers have sent me a graph of the performance of their ED30 with the Loba L04XX on after some more tuning.
455bhp (400whp) and over 400lbft. :surprised:
Is this on a standard DSG box? :surprised:
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only 400? that's 542NM right? I thought it would be higher as the K04 can reach 520NM :confused:
But can it hold like the LO4xx one to produce top end bhp?? That's the difference...it's not peaked at 520nm...it's flat for a few k rpm at that level! :happy2:
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WHP=Wheel Horse Power.
That is pretty good.
Don't confuse with Flywheel power which is probably what you are thinking of?
Its more in the good ole USA I believe.
Well, Statllers have sent me a graph of the performance of their ED30 with the Loba L04XX on after some more tuning.
455bhp (400whp) and over 400lbft. :surprised:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FSTATLLER-ED30-LOBA-455HP-RUN2.jpg&hash=62da6c187d6760d41abe183248e65531a974d64d)
only 400? that's 542NM right? I thought it would be higher as the K04 can reach 520NM :confused:
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Anyone else got this turbo yet?
Seems to die off at 6.2k. Have you got a boost plot Steve?
Still interested in this turbo but can't justify spending the money that's being asked, for a development turbo.
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The torque is capped in the map hence the flat curve so not to kill the stock clutches in the box, we have a great map on this box and have spent lots of time with clutch pressure demand, a bone stock K04 will surge to 400ftlbs on out of control overboost but never sustain torque like this, they drop off instantly, I can overlay graphs next week to show everyone
We could probably squeeze 450ft lbs with this but then we are totally missing the point of the whole excersise which is drivability and component life
If massive power is what an individual wants then there's lots of options as we all know but you'll need a big wallet and built motor (& gearbox) :smiley:
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Alex what does your Hybrid KO4 MAF at?
Anyone else got this turbo yet?
Seems to die off at 6.2k. Have you got a boost plot Steve?
Still interested in this turbo but can't justify spending the money that's being asked, for a development turbo.
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Anyone else got this turbo yet?
Seems to die off at 6.2k. Have you got a boost plot Steve?
Still interested in this turbo but can't justify spending the money that's being asked, for a development turbo.
We suspect its the plasma's AL, the car drives much smoother with them but it kills the advance right at the top, as we've already discussed they recover way to quickly at high Rpm
We might yet have to drop some ignition out of the top end to bring the power back in, we'll see next week
I'm custom tuning next week for this problem, just waiting for the byteshooter to be repaired first
Yes mate they are a pretty penny indeed but if you saw one up close I'm sure you'd have to have it
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Anyone else got this turbo yet?
Seems to die off at 6.2k. Have you got a boost plot Steve?
Still interested in this turbo but can't justify spending the money that's being asked, for a development turbo.
We suspect its the plasma's AL, the car drives much smoother with them but it kills the advance right at the top, as we've already discussed they recover way to quickly at high Rpm
We might yet have to drop some ignition out of the top end to bring the power back in, we'll see next week
I'm custom tuning next week for this problem, just waiting for the byteshooter to be repaired first
Yes mate they are a pretty penny indeed but if you saw one up close I'm sure you'd have to have it
HI, are you ivolved in the REVO software on this? or have i missed out on this info in this tread?
As i hope to get one of these and get some REVO SW for it i follow this closely :drinking:
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Very doubtful that Revo will do software for this.
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So currently you have GIAC as the only option for the tune? REVO have already stated they arent interested in this development. What about the other guys like Jabba, APR, PTorque, Shark etc. Anyone questioned them.
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Jabba were keen to do mapping for the Fabia hybrid :popcornsoda:
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REVO are interested and software will be developed.
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Jabba were keen to do mapping for the Fabia hybrid :popcornsoda:
Jabba will custom map so would always be up for it if the price is right. Same with rtech. Revo and APR don't offer custom maps.
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REVO are interested and software will be developed.
Is that 100% Si?
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Sorry, perhaps I missed it earlier, but whats the cost of this turbo?
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Anyone else got this turbo yet?
Seems to die off at 6.2k. Have you got a boost plot Steve?
Still interested in this turbo but can't justify spending the money that's being asked, for a development turbo.
We suspect its the plasma's AL, the car drives much smoother with them but it kills the advance right at the top, as we've already discussed they recover way to quickly at high Rpm
We might yet have to drop some ignition out of the top end to bring the power back in, we'll see next week
I'm custom tuning next week for this problem, just waiting for the byteshooter to be repaired first
Yes mate they are a pretty penny indeed but if you saw one up close I'm sure you'd have to have it
HI, are you ivolved in the REVO software on this? or have i missed out on this info in this tread?
As i hope to get one of these and get some REVO SW for it i follow this closely :drinking:
Revo & Giac will both offer tunes for this turbo I'm almost 100% confident of that
We would certainly hope to offer our customers the option of the two as were a dealer for both companies and in my opinion they are the main big guns out there
We can still turn the loba up some more for sure and I will soon, I don't particularly want to kill this motor as it's always been one of my favourites, we've been through a lot together :love: but I have plenty of these and enough spares to keep a race team going for a few seasons so I won't cry too much if it does expire
We're also tuning with evomsit as of next week for this APP, Todd builds me absolutely mind blowing tunes for the Porsche's Ferrari's and Lambo's, and he knows the MED9's inside out!
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:party:
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Sorry, perhaps I missed it earlier, but whats the cost of this turbo?
Going to be around 3.5 to 4k inc vat.
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Sorry, perhaps I missed it earlier, but whats the cost of this turbo?
Going to be around 3.5 to 4k inc vat.
Alex ive not given you that figure ....
our LO500P TTRS Turbocharger is 3k gbp inc vat ...this LO4XX unit we feel will be less
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If its less I would be interested.
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Sorry, perhaps I missed it earlier, but whats the cost of this turbo?
Going to be around 3.5 to 4k inc vat.
Alex ive not given you that figure ....
our LO500P TTRS Turbocharger is 3k gbp inc vat ...this LO4XX unit we feel will be less
So why was the 'development' turbo for me going to be so much then?
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Sorry, perhaps I missed it earlier, but whats the cost of this turbo?
Going to be around 3.5 to 4k inc vat.
Alex ive not given you that figure ....
our LO500P TTRS Turbocharger is 3k gbp inc vat ...this LO4XX unit we feel will be less
So why was the 'development' turbo for me going to be so much then?
Alex please lets not talk on here about what you was offered as i think your maybe got your figures wrong as i know exactly what you was offered it at, and it was for a very good price, you keep saying 'development' turbo when the unit is finished, we wanted partners onboard with independent dyno results and software.
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:popcornsoda:
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Sorry, perhaps I missed it earlier, but whats the cost of this turbo?
Going to be around 3.5 to 4k inc vat.
Alex ive not given you that figure ....
our LO500P TTRS Turbocharger is 3k gbp inc vat ...this LO4XX unit we feel will be less
So why was the 'development' turbo for me going to be so much then?
Alex please lets not talk on here about what you was offered as i think your maybe got your figures wrong as i know exactly what you was offered it at, and it was for a very good price, you keep saying 'development' turbo when the unit is finished, we wanted partners onboard with independent dyno results and software.
PM'd.
:booty:
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Sorry, perhaps I missed it earlier, but whats the cost of this turbo?
Going to be around 3.5 to 4k inc vat.
Alex ive not given you that figure ....
our LO500P TTRS Turbocharger is 3k gbp inc vat ...this LO4XX unit we feel will be less
So why was the 'development' turbo for me going to be so much then?
Alex please lets not talk on here about what you was offered as i think your maybe got your figures wrong as i know exactly what you was offered it at, and it was for a very good price, you keep saying 'development' turbo when the unit is finished, we wanted partners onboard with independent dyno results and software.
PM'd.
:booty:
Replied :P :signLOL:
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So when its finished its development any chance of a group buy?
Sure we could get at least 10 wanting this from here and vagoc :grin:
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So when its finished its development any chance of a group buy?
Sure we could get at least 10 wanting this from here and vagoc :grin:
:party:
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What is the retail price to joe public
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:popcornsoda:
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Price not been set just yet, a batch is due to be finished from that we will Calc costs and then consider a RRP
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Price not been set just yet, a batch is due to be finished from that we will Calc costs and then consider a RRP
:popcornsoda:
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Is this a 'if people say they will pay three grand then its three grand?'
:popcornsoda:
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Lol No it's not been calc'd theres only two in exsistance ...statllers and another partner in Sweden, Stertman Motorsport
Once we know the Cnc machine times and labour costs we can work out the margins
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Lol No it's not been calc'd theres only two in exsistance ...statllers and another partner in Sweden, Stertman Motorsport
Once we know the Cnc machine time and labour costs we can work out the margins
How are stertman doing with this turbo, any figures dyno graphs from their end?
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Lol No it's not been calc'd theres only two in exsistance ...statllers and another partner in Sweden, Stertman Motorsport
Once we know the Cnc machine time and labour costs we can work out the margins
How are stertman doing with this turbo, any figures dyno graphs from their end?
TBH no results as yet we are waiting, they installed on a Golf R the owner has posted on vagoc.
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Going to enjoy the Cupra well set up on the ko4 for what it is, wait till Harry's a bit older and buy a car that only 'needs' a stage 1map and decent tyres
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135i
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135i
:wink: was thinking Rs3 but 135i impressed me at the track day
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135i
:wink: was thinking Rs3 but 135i impressed me at the track day
I like the 135i's with the DCT box really nice little motor, I bought one just to sell on a while back it had the BMW performance pack with their own zorst etc, sounded lovely like a baby M5!. For a keeper it would have to be the 1M for me but don't think I could leave it at just a map :wink:
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PDT Dave has his 135i up to ariound 380bhp, with only a stage 1 map and a set of downpipes :drool:
If you go down the 135i route, make sure you get some better security.
quite worrying how easily they can be stolen.
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You just shift the OBD port, 15 minute job. Might cost you a new window if you're unlucky enough to have someone try, but they're not taking the car.
BOT Very impressive figures and delivery, still quite a narrow power band, but I guess you have to work with what you've got and keep it reliable.
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My old car at stage 2+ on 99 ron v's the Loba with WMI. :happy2:
It is the spool that impresses the hell out of me. :drool:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2Fherdyvsloba.jpg&hash=7cc996ec05a6d2449834066dd531588891004bd2)
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My old car at stage 2+ on 99 ron v's the Loba with WMI. :happy2:
It is the spool that impresses the hell out of me. :drool:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2Fherdyvsloba.jpg&hash=7cc996ec05a6d2449834066dd531588891004bd2)
Very impressive :driver:
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Going to enjoy the Cupra well set up on the ko4 for what it is, wait till Harry's a bit older and buy a car that only 'needs' a stage 1map and decent tyres
Yea, what ever mate :signLOL:
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+1.
Sounds like someone has had a bollocking :scared:
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+1.
Sounds like someone has had a bollocking :scared:
Just getting bored
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It goes a bit like that mate, then you have a look around realise there is nothing better for the money and bang your back in the game.
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It goes a bit like that mate, then you have a look around realise there is nothing better for the money and bang your back in the game.
+1. Very very true.
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Also with 7149 posts if you stayed off of here for more than two minutes you might not get bored :signLOL:
I thought I came on here a lot.
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+1.
Sounds like someone has had a bollocking :scared:
Just getting bored
BUY MORE CARBON FIBRE..... :laugh:
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PDT Dave has his 135i up to ariound 380bhp, with only a stage 1 map and a set of downpipes :drool:
My 135i now has 400+ and probably 430+ by the end of this week. Stg1 on stock engine will see 370hp.
Mods for this are:
£300 downpipes
£500 stg2 map.
I also have bilsteins and quaife LSD, stock brakes ate brembo 6pot and I have Pagid RS29 pads. main thing with this engine (N54) is that they have steel crank, rods, forged pistons, solid 1 piece valves etc.... So very very solid base. Later N55 engine is not as well built, hence BMW using the N54 for the 1m.
The torque at stg2 is immense, over 350ftlb from 1800-6300rpm and a peak of over 400ftlb. I keep wanting to buy an E92 M3 but the 135i literally destroys them for straight line speed.
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These transform the 135i... To a m3 eater
http://loba-motorsport.com/en/product-gallery/bmw/1-series/e82-135i-n54-225-kw-306-ps/lo470p-turbochargers
We feel 500 could be made maybe beaten, judging from partners feedback
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Guys ive always had a soft spot for a 135i your really really not helping :signLOL:
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PDT Dave has his 135i up to ariound 380bhp, with only a stage 1 map and a set of downpipes :drool:
My 135i now has 400+ and probably 430+ by the end of this week. Stg1 on stock engine will see 370hp.
Mods for this are:
£300 downpipes
£500 stg2 map.
I also have bilsteins and quaife LSD, stock brakes ate brembo 6pot and I have Pagid RS29 pads. main thing with this engine (N54) is that they have steel crank, rods, forged pistons, solid 1 piece valves etc.... So very very solid base. Later N55 engine is not as well built, hence BMW using the N54 for the 1m.
The torque at stg2 is immense, over 350ftlb from 1800-6300rpm and a peak of over 400ftlb. I keep wanting to buy an E92 M3 but the 135i literally destroys them for straight line speed.
Awsome stuff Dave!!!
I have Mats 2011 335 DCT in next week for full fit up, its still on the twin turbo motor but has the M3 DSG box fitted so should make a rapid motor indeed, we're fitting Downpipes, zorst, Cooler and WMI
The DFI's just love meth keeps the intake valves nice and clean too
If I didn't have the 997T I'd deffo have a 1M + Lobas for sure love em :happy2:
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These transform the 135i... To a m3 eater
http://loba-motorsport.com/en/product-gallery/bmw/1-series/e82-135i-n54-225-kw-306-ps/lo470p-turbochargers
We feel 500 could be made maybe beaten, judging from partners feedback
Go on Dave, get these bought, theyre only pocket change to you anyway :wink:
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Drop onto building your Ed back up this afters Dom, when you back ?
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Next wednesday Steve :happy2:
Plenty of time to order a new cylinder head, a loba turbo, WMI and dsg clutch packs :happy2:
I wish.........
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Next wednesday Steve :happy2:
Plenty of time to order a new cylinder head, a loba turbo, WMI and dsg clutch packs :happy2:
I wish.........
Wicked I'll get the Loba ordered hah !! :laugh:
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These transform the 135i... To a m3 eater
http://loba-motorsport.com/en/product-gallery/bmw/1-series/e82-135i-n54-225-kw-306-ps/lo470p-turbochargers
We feel 500 could be made maybe beaten, judging from partners feedback
:drool:
TBH Th 1 series chassis feels just right with 400ish.
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These transform the 135i... To a m3 eater
http://loba-motorsport.com/en/product-gallery/bmw/1-series/e82-135i-n54-225-kw-306-ps/lo470p-turbochargers
We feel 500 could be made maybe beaten, judging from partners feedback
:drool:
TBH Th 1 series chassis feels just right with 400ish.
Cool ... not been in one to be honest, we have our own 335i project car with our Turbos, quaife LSD, so on... is fantastic
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I always fancied a 4 pot 4wd Golf, and have been looking at prices of 02M gearboxes and rear diffs and haldex.....not expensive.
Coupled with a Loba, would make a helluva motor.
The beemers sound interesting....I drive a 335 on a weekly basis as I 'look after' my bosses (means cleans and puts fuel in it!) but I get to take it on some decent journeys....awesome car. ITs the auto with the paddles so would probablt prefer a manual but it does go well with the standard 305hp. Sounds great too!
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So any word on who's doing a bespoke map for this yet as that's the next major update really. Steve have you done any mapping without WMI?
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:signLOL: :evilgrin: proper car. Been in it. Fookin immense
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:jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
I want one :pomppomp:
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So any word on who's doing a bespoke map for this yet as that's the next major update really. Steve have you done any mapping without WMI?
Yes Rob ofcourse very soon!
We are still trying to max this thing out not de-tune it :wink:
I'm tuning bespoke with Todd at evomsit as of today, BTW the particular one off GIAC tune I've ran for 2 years will work fine we know that now (this was never an off the shelf map it's very special indeed)
We will make different files for 2WD / 4WD cars, for WMI users, and for pump fuel users I would guess all with linear throttle at this power
We will also be able to tune for different diameter intakes no problems at all
Si wants me to turn the WMI off for a few runs, I'll do that next for everyone to check out on here, it will still run strong I can guarantee that!
For my car I want the MP WMI as I want it as strong as possible and we'll tune for that too we won't be numbing the knock sensors like some do, it will still have saftey built in to the map and were working hard on drivability, although as the few who have driven it will back me up that it drives beautiful now, very controlled and civilised its 99% there already and I'm very very particular about this, it feels stronger than ever off throttle and super crisp, builds speed very fast with no fuss or noise
I'll post up some more runs without the Meth for you.
Just So everyone knows we have always run 99 V power never race fuel on this car, this map is not tuned for WM at all, some think were not telling the truth, I 100% am!
The last thing I want is one of our cars running 450 + on my rollers then 380 on some other rollers :grin: it won't happen !
My own car will not be softened it is what it is, if it lets go we find the weakness that's the sacrifice I am always willing to make on our mules,
I would guess 420-425hp is a going to be a safe bet on pump fuel with very good hardware and the ability to turn it up a little if need be
I have a Revo stage 4 update file Kev sent me with some minor tweaks I'll test it very very soon for you Revo chaps out there :innocent:
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So any word on who's doing a bespoke map for this yet as that's the next major update really. Steve have you done any mapping without WMI?
Yes Rob ofcourse very soon!
We are still trying to max this thing out not de-tune it :wink:
I'm tuning bespoke with Todd at evomsit as of today, BTW the particular one off GIAC tune I've ran for 2 years will work fine we know that now (this was never an off the shelf map it's very special indeed)
We will make different files for 2WD / 4WD cars, for WMI users, and for pump fuel users I would guess all with linear throttle at this power
We will also be able to tune for different diameter intakes no problems at all
Si wants me to turn the WMI off for a few runs, I'll do that next for everyone to check out on here, it will still run strong I can guarantee that!
For my car I want the MP WMI as I want it as strong as possible and we'll tune for that too we won't be numbing the knock sensors like some do, it will still have saftey built in to the map and were working hard on drivability, although as the few who have driven it will back me up that it drives beautiful now, very controlled and civilised its 99% there already and I'm very very particular about this, it feels stronger than ever off throttle and super crisp, builds speed very fast with no fuss or noise
I'll post up some more runs without the Meth for you.
Just So everyone knows we have always run 99 V power never race fuel on this car, this map is not tuned for WM at all, some think were not telling the truth, I 100% am!
The last thing I want is one of our cars running 450 + on my rollers then 380 on some other rollers :grin: it won't happen !
My own car will not be softened it is what it is, if it lets go we find the weakness that's the sacrifice I am always willing to make on our mules,
I would guess 420-425hp is a going to be a safe bet on pump fuel with very good hardware and the ability to turn it up a little if need be
I have a Revo stage 4 update file Kev sent me with some minor tweaks I'll test it very very soon for you Revo chaps out there :innocent:
:pomppomp: :notworthy:
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it will still have saftey built in to the map and were working hard on drivability, although as the few who have driven it will back me up that it drives beautiful now, very controlled and civilised its 99% there already and I'm very very particular about this, it feels stronger than ever off throttle and super crisp, builds speed very fast with no fuss or noise
....Driveability is everything in my opinion - Power is useless without traction etc. You are to be applauded for making driveability such a priority :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
Makes me wish I had a K04 car and still had plenty of money!
The last thing I want is one of our cars running 450 + on my rollers then 380 on some other rollers :grin: it won't happen !
....JKM's Dyno-Dynamics is the rollers which has the reputation for low figures (personally I view them as realistic). We all know what a lottery rollers can be. It's a long way down south to JKM in Portsmouth though our friend John Hurdy has done it (of course!!), but you would be particularly welcome at our next Dyno-Day:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46771.0.html
^ If there's even the faintest chance of you coming I better list you provisionally now because it's filling up fast and has a max of 30 runners. :happy2:
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it will still have saftey built in to the map and were working hard on drivability, although as the few who have driven it will back me up that it drives beautiful now, very controlled and civilised its 99% there already and I'm very very particular about this, it feels stronger than ever off throttle and super crisp, builds speed very fast with no fuss or noise
....Driveability is everything in my opinion - Power is useless without traction etc. You are to be applauded for making driveability such a priority :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
Makes me wish I had a K04 car and still had plenty of money!
The last thing I want is one of our cars running 450 + on my rollers then 380 on some other rollers :grin: it won't happen !
....JKM's Dyno-Dynamics is the rollers which has the reputation for low figures (personally I view them as realistic). We all know what a lottery rollers can be. It's a long way down south to JKM in Portsmouth though our friend John Hurdy has done it (of course!!), but you would be particularly welcome at our next Dyno-Day:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46771.0.html
^ If there's even the faintest chance of you coming I better list you provisionally now because it's filling up fast and has a max of 30 runners. :happy2:
I'd say Judging by the figures of air intake mass were seeing with the Loba were on the button power wise. I suppose the math can't really lie
The Maha runs around middle ground for reading power & torque, I am aware of this
My Dyno sofware Guy (Rudi@TAT Dynosystems in Germany) has spent lots of time fine tuning the software so the Graph replicates how the car drives real world road conditions, ask anyone who's used it and that's exactly what they say about the graphs
I could quite easily have Rudi recal the software to read lower but I think the figures are spot on going on the stock cars we run on it
I think Hurdy ran 228 on JKM's without the meth & the Plasma's (and a few other tweaks we've done recently) he ran 255 on mine last Saturday but similar torque on both rollers
So under 10% out on JKM's but not taking into account he now has more power with the WMI & Plasma's, this could be as low as 5% compared to JKM's?
The Loba should still be well into 400's on the DD roller set :smiley:
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Are there any figures out yet price wise for these turbos? It would be nice to have a rough estimate, knowing these are in development, there still must be an idea costwise?
I could be the revo guinea pig whist the car is in there if the price is right :laugh:
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Rough estimates are on page 22, Si hopes less than £3k for the turbo.
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There's a few prices being mentioned, but nothing concrete yet.
Bear in mind that there could be several states of tune available for this turbo, there will also be several states of hardware that the car would need to make it reliably fast and safe.
The turbo is only one part of this equation, albeit the main one! :smiley:
Upgrade injectors are one piece of kit that would be needed.
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There's a few prices being mentioned, but nothing concrete yet.
Bear in mind that there could be several states of tune available for this turbo, there will also be several states of hardware that the car would need to make it reliably fast and safe.
The turbo is only one part of this equation, albeit the main one! :smiley:
Upgrade injectors are one piece of kit that would be needed.
RS4 injectors is one, what other injectors are there?
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Loba would do well to release their new injectors inline with the release of this turbo.
Maybe even in a package deal.
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There's a few prices being mentioned, but nothing concrete yet.
Bear in mind that there could be several states of tune available for this turbo, there will also be several states of hardware that the car would need to make it reliably fast and safe.
The turbo is only one part of this equation, albeit the main one! :smiley:
Upgrade injectors are one piece of kit that would be needed.
RS4 injectors is one, what other injectors are there?
I'm sure Loba are on with producing some too Jake.
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Must type faster.
Damn you mrH :signLOL:
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I believe Loba are, but not heard much in terms of details.
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I believe Loba are, but not heard much in terms of details.
We have some new LOBA larger injectors, engine dyno tested types with of course better spray pattern then rs4, just so many projects just now that we've not set up production. (really could be some time :( )
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Are there any figures out yet price wise for these turbos? It would be nice to have a rough estimate, knowing these are in development, there still must be an idea costwise?
I could be the revo guinea pig whist the car is in there if the price is right :laugh:
If the other 46 in line for that job drop out I'm sure they'll call you!
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Are there any figures out yet price wise for these turbos? It would be nice to have a rough estimate, knowing these are in development, there still must be an idea costwise?
I could be the revo guinea pig whist the car is in there if the price is right :laugh:
If the other 46 in line for that job drop out I'm sure they'll call you!
:signLOL:
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can't wait for this. after next months pay i think il buy one for the shelf.
don't think i want to install this on the ED30 but on a R :drool:
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Any updates on confirmed prices ?
Update on a Revo file ?
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Just seen an update on Stattlers Facebook...
466bhp and 445lb/ft, good work!
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Think it was a little more than that wasn't it..... Stops well now too!
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Think it was a little more than that wasn't it..... Stops well now too!
What anchors did you put on it Dave? :party:
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I stopped after the Polo was de-wmi'd and the sound it makes is mental!
Going on stage 2+ ed30's I've seen on Statllers rollers I make that an easy 100 bhp extra when using wmi. :love:
The brakes look fxxxxing huge too :drool:
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Latest results from our partner Statller http://www.facebook.com/pages/Statller-Power-developments/350214158382915?ref=hl
after fitting multi port w/m injection same tune as before
@ 2.0bar-1.75 466Hp 445lbft (473PS 602Nm)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj359%2FLOBASI%2F2-1.png&hash=78763d196d6bf46cb2115cbd8e1bac7cf9d3ef46)
@ 1.7 bar 466Hp 445lbft (473PS 548Nm)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj359%2FLOBASI%2Fjnrs-loba-multi-port-meth.png&hash=30522c6c06eab76da87a24d0b900f5a850ae1121)
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Here you go....enjoy with the sound up!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2Fth_VIDEO0069.jpg&hash=9f4c39ee5f432d00629946da620f4e9d5624b46e) (http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/?action=view¤t=VIDEO0069.mp4)
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:surprised: :drool: :driver: :congrats:
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Think it was a little more than that wasn't it..... Stops well now too!
That kit looks very very nice Dave! :happy2:
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The noise this car makes is immense!
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:signLOL: 888's .
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:signLOL: 888's .
The rear looks like Toyo R1R's :smiley:
Not that they are saying much in the video :signLOL:
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:signLOL: 888's .
The rear looks like Toyo R1R's :smiley:
Not that they are saying much in the video :signLOL:
Yep, fronts are 888's and rears are R1R's :happy2:
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:signLOL: 888's .
The rear looks like Toyo R1R's :smiley:
Not that they are saying much in the video :signLOL:
Well spotted buddy :happy2:
As John says we run 235 888's on the front and 225 R1R's on the rear
I know we're well past the safe limit of the engine's envelope now @ 445ftlbs but we'll still going to try and push beyond 470hp before the weekend
Lots of things are under major strain at this power and torque, fuelling is being tested even though it's heavily uprated
Some other bottle necks have popped up but the cars still strong and smooth on the road, the 4th,5th and 6th gear acceleration is mind blowing we still have over 400lbs of torque @ 6000 rpms and you sure can feel it :laugh:
Dave the brakes are phenominal but my god do we need them, had them blue'd up today already, you go from 80 to 130 in a blink it's easy to keep doing it so they take a pounding big time ! :laugh:
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Any pics of the brakes guys :happy2:
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Check out Statllers Facebook page for brake pictures
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Check out Statllers Facebook page for brake pictures
Not everyone subscribes to facebook... :ashamed:
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Check out Statllers Facebook page for brake pictures
Not everyone subscribes to facebook... :ashamed:
Don't need to be a member to see their page :happy2:
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LO4XX on REVO BETA TEST FILE
well statller been very busy today.............
10 runs at a consistent 500HP :laugh:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj359%2FLOBASI%2FJnrs-500-hp-Run_Revo-1.png&hash=156994a2726eeba704be60b2096acc7c8e0922f6)
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I told Matt I wouldn't have to cheat with NOS this time ........ :signLOL:
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Were the 1.7 / 2 bar runs at 466bhp still using GIAC code?
Revo today and it's jumped straight to 500bhp! Wicked! :happy2:
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Your correct :happy2:
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Wheel HP on REVO BETA TEST FILE
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj359%2FLOBASI%2Fjnrs-4996--flashREVOBETA.png&hash=e6a033cfe12d40e8da44c5029d6d9d8857f22316)
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When are any retail prices and Pre requisite hardware going to be released?
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500bhp?!?! That's madness, will really be pushing the standard internals now I imagine, more than twice the power of standard! Is there any more power left in this turbo do we reckon?
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LO4XX on REVO BETA TEST FILE
well statller been very busy today.............
10 runs at a consistent 500HP :laugh:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj359%2FLOBASI%2FJnrs-500-hp-Run_Revo-1.png&hash=156994a2726eeba704be60b2096acc7c8e0922f6)
Oh my feckin god. You gotta be kidding me???? Wow that is insane.
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Real game changer this......
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Surely cost a small fortune for that to be reliable? What associated hardware beyond st2+ has been used?
When's testing moving from the dyno to the track?
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It's a Good figure, but obviously as has been stated how long will it last! The engine obviously needs to be uprated to run this sort of power consistently. In the R which obviously you have John I'd love to see the outcome if you are planning on updating your internals and the 4wd, however if anyone was planning this through a fwd then I think it's pointless other than just an exercise to see what the engine is capable of.
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Mike, i went in this when it was running 450hp. Im not shy about fast cars, but man this is brutal.
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Mike you know aswell as I do, on track will be a waste of time unless running 4wd gear. As Steve said earlier it's merely just to see what the internals can take till they give up and what the loba is capable of.
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Mike you know aswell as I do, on track will be a waste of time unless running 4wd gear. As Steve said earlier it's merely just to see what the internals can take till they give up and what the loba is capable of.
True Shaun. How far back will the tuning be taken after the limits have been found do you reckon?
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I'd say personally on standard ed30/s3 internals you wouldn't want to be looking at more than 400-420 max in my opinion, but I may be wrong. :happy2:
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Cant see this as a 500hp daily , was out in Jamie Kips Stg2+ TTRS today at 440BHP and its plenty fast enough for everyday usage. I would venture the 500 figure is a headline figure.....just imagine the area under the curve at 440bhp...
You could dial in the full 500hp for inters and high days and holidays, but keep it reasonable for everyday use...would probably give 40mpg too!
Needs to be said its only recently that the five holer has been putting out these kind of figures....makes you wonder what the plan is for the LO500+........600?
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As you've said there dave, the 5holers are 4wd so it isn't an issue. Even 600 if achievable is fine and will be phenomenal so long as they can sort the dsg clutch to deal with it or drop the torque back a bit so to doesn't rip them to bits! :happy2:
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Cant see this as a 500hp daily , was out in Jamie Kips Stg2+ TTRS today at 440BHP and its plenty fast enough for everyday usage. I would venture the 500 figure is a headline figure.....just imagine the area under the curve at 440bhp...
You could dial in the full 500hp for inters and high days and holidays, but keep it reasonable for everyday use...would probably give 40mpg too!
Needs to be said its only recently that the five holer has been putting out these kind of figures....makes you wonder what the plan is for the LO500+........600?
You know its on the cards Dave
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First pax ride then!
Bells on the laser tue there wed
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Cheers Mr B been taking some nice slithers of 888's off these past few days
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I honestly thought that 450bhp would be a great figure to have with this turbo and associated hardware. I didn't even think that 500+bhp would be on the cards even in development. As has been said, this is a game changer. I also agree that 420bhp with stock internals on an ED30/Cupra/S3 would be fantastic, especially considering the fact that I've driven this car more than once and it still remains tractable on 235 section R888's as it doesn't have the peaky spike of a K04. The redline comes around sooooo fast at the top end on full throttle that the DSG Steve is running on his car (he has a Quaife upgrade, and DSG map, but still stock clutchpacks) almost becomes a godsend in the first three gears.
Although I'm staying stock on my .:R!! :innocent: :laugh:
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Great to see the REVO is in development, 450bhp should be great for everyday use. Torque curve also looks great. :party:
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^^^^^^
I agree, I'd been waiting to see if a Revo file would be made.
At Statllers
Is it a specific Revo file or just a stg 3 file with SPS settings tweaked?
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Nice results :happy2:
Was that the tweaked Revo stage 3 file you were on about the other week Steve?
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It isn't a stage 3 map. It is a beta file based on a bt Revo file. But I'll let Steve confirm.
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looking at this turbo, seems like its well and truly got APRs big turbo kit covered and any other Garrett Turbo based kit. One f the guys on VAGOC, S3Alex, has a GT3071 kit with REVO software and he's only around 480hp!!
So this turbo is GT30 territory which is mighty impressive, even if, assuming its a generous dyno, overreading by 10%, it would still give 450hp!!
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Most importance for us was Stock KO4 Spool/Response, this has that With GT power
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Been keeping up with this thread as I am very interested in the developements;....but I can see it being a real headache in a manual car? The DSG is going to be smoothing out the power delivery lovely, but in a manual it is going to be a neck\driveshaft\ conrod snapper at each gear change, as the torque blasts back in!
Not flaming here, just keen to understand if these figures are going to be the domain of DSG boys only.
I read that you were going to do a manual only map, how do you think this would differ from the DSG map.
The manual cars could really do with flat shift writing in! ?:party:
Brilliant progress so far tho boys.
Stevo I pmd you a week or so ago but not sure if I actually pressed send.!
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Brakes look mega...what is the caliper basis?
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Brakes look mega...what is the caliper basis?
RS4 8pots i guess?
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they felt a lot lighter than my r32 calipers :drinking:
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Brakes look mega...what is the caliper basis?
RS4 8pots i guess?
Yeah quite possibly, good point!
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Hiya chaps just got in from a busy day,
Dom the Revo file was a Beta test stage 4 with some tweaks
We are using a manual boost controller with mutil port WMI injection & big ass jets and it's hungry believe me!
The runs yesterday were all flat out & maxed the car still drove very good but were just starting to run out of fuel at high load & high RPM at this power and sustained torque (still over 400lbs @ 6000k)
The Revo flash has linear throttle and we have very good control of boost, although this is just a test flash only to explore the boundaries,
We made over 400WHP on each run best was 419 I believe
The brakes are Loba / Dave's set up and very strong (RS4 / lambo calipers and AP / Loba floating discs) although they are very blue today :driver:
Jim I thought I PM'd you back ? Your more than welcome to pop over just let me know when
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Hiya chaps just got in from a busy day,
Dom the Revo file was a Beta test stage 4 with some tweaks
We are using a manual boost controller with mutil port WMI injection & big ass jets and it's hungry believe me!
The runs yesterday were all flat out & maxed the car still drove very good but were just starting to run out of fuel at high load & high RPM at this power and sustained torque (still over 400lbs @ 6000k)
The Revo flash has linear throttle and we have very good control of boost, although this is just a test flash only to explore the boundaries,
We made over 400WHP on each run best was 419 I believe
The brakes are Loba / Dave's set up and very strong (RS4 / lambo calipers and AP / Loba floating discs) although they are very blue today :driver:
Jim I thought I PM'd you back ? Your more than welcome to pop over just let me know when
Sorry, i might have missed it, but have you uprated the LPFP?
What are you estimate for this turbo without W/M? :drinking:
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Been keeping up with this thread as I am very interested in the developements;....but I can see it being a real headache in a manual car? The DSG is going to be smoothing out the power delivery lovely, but in a manual it is going to be a neck\driveshaft\ conrod snapper at each gear change, as the torque blasts back in!
Not flaming here, just keen to understand if these figures are going to be the domain of DSG boys only.
I read that you were going to do a manual only map, how do you think this would differ from the DSG map.
The manual cars could really do with flat shift writing in! ?:party:
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
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Hiya chaps just got in from a busy day,
Dom the Revo file was a Beta test stage 4 with some tweaks
We are using a manual boost controller with mutil port WMI injection & big ass jets and it's hungry believe me!
The runs yesterday were all flat out & maxed the car still drove very good but were just starting to run out of fuel at high load & high RPM at this power and sustained torque (still over 400lbs @ 6000k)
The Revo flash has linear throttle and we have very good control of boost, although this is just a test flash only to explore the boundaries,
We made over 400WHP on each run best was 419 I believe
The brakes are Loba / Dave's set up and very strong (RS4 / lambo calipers and AP / Loba floating discs) although they are very blue today :driver:
Jim I thought I PM'd you back ? Your more than welcome to pop over just let me know when
Sorry, i might have missed it, but have you uprated the LPFP?
What are you estimate for this turbo without W/M? :drinking:
Everything's uprated, In tank walbro high flow, Autotech Rail, RS4 injectors and trus, were trying an RS3 intank Right now
The torque is the fuel killer it's giving over 440ftlbs flat from 4000 to 6300 rpms
This can be backed off easy but were using this car as a test bed for the 4WD time attack car so ramping it to the max!!
Stop messing and get a turbo Mike Im sure APR would love to map it for you :laugh:
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Would destroy my clutch this by the looks. After driving the other halfs Lupo for two months I don't think I'll be needing anymore power when I get back in mine :driver:
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So for this blower on a manual AXX, not gunning for mega BHP; what are we talking....rods, injectors, HPFP, clutch.
Already have TBE, twintercooler. No intake yet.
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Mike that's better half not other half ! :signLOL:
Anyway if I win the lottery toneet you can have mine ya tight git !!
Jim you would need a fully built engine if your AXX K03, lower comp pistons + H beams are needed, every time I dyno mine I grit my teeth and she's a low comp CDL lump !
Anyway off for nice meal and pissup now, have a good one fellas :drinking:
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Thanks Stevo
Enjoy your evening :drinking:
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Just had a read through this thread and now know i want this :laugh:. So time to start saving :happy2:
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Some awesome figures being produced by the Stattlers crew and what a weapon this car is proving to be and I can't wait to see it run at 30-130 next year (providing it's dry :scared:)
The noise this car makes is immense!
One quick question though - Did anyone see where that balloon ended up.. :laugh:
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Now for sale from Loba. 3.2k + vat, simon just posted on vagoc
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Is that £ or € ?
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Now for sale from Loba. 3.2k + vat, simon just posted on vagoc
€3295 inc VAT and shipping wasn't it Pov?
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Now for sale from Loba. 3.2k + vat, simon just posted on vagoc
€3295 inc VAT and shipping wasn't it Pov?
Yeah that's it
Copy and paste:
i have 4 LO4XX turbochargers For sale now! 3,295.00 EUR inc vat + shipping , and big batch in production coming soon
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He has commented a group buy could be organised, but isn't going to be the one organising it. No mention of possible savings though.
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
yes
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About 3k to build bottom end
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
Personally Paul i think thats far too much power going through the front wheels
Unless your planning AWD conversion that is, go on you know you want too :evilgrin:
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
Personally Paul i think thats far too much power going through the front wheels
Unless your planning AWD conversion that is, go on you know you want too :evilgrin:
Dont be silly! you strap it down on the dyno. :pomppomp:
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Yep totally agree sometime I wonder if 330 is not too much!
Glad everybody supports modding here! :signLOL:
Paul
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
Personally Paul i think thats far too much power going through the front wheels
Unless your planning AWD conversion that is, go on you know you want too :evilgrin:
Dont be silly! you strap it down on the dyno. :pomppomp:
:P
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oooooh so tempting, about the same as a K04 for the TSI really, any plans to develop this for 2.0 TSI guys?
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Now for sale from Loba. 3.2k + vat, simon just posted on vagoc
€3295 inc VAT and shipping wasn't it Pov?
That is about £2.8k. Not bad really. :smiley:
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
Personally Paul i think thats far too much power going through the front wheels
Unless your planning AWD conversion that is, go on you know you want too :evilgrin:
Or just put it straight into an AWD Golf R. :wink:
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Shark's mk6 gti has the Loba KO4 hybrid, 313hp IIRC
Their kits are a good price too.
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Shark's mk6 gti has the Loba KO4 hybrid, 313hp IIRC
Their kits are a good price too.
What Loba K04 hybrid??
Only one i know is the Lo04xx, and 313hp is what you get from a stock K04 :confused:
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Conversion kit for TSI ko3 to Ko4 in their mk6 gti increased hp from 210 to 313 with software & all else stock
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Conversion kit for TSI ko3 to Ko4 in their mk6 gti increased hp from 210 to 313 with software & all else stock
Why do that? as the stock IHI turbo with Revo can make just above 300hk, seems very expensive for 13hp IMO :confused:
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Conversion kit for TSI ko3 to Ko4 in their mk6 gti increased hp from 210 to 313 with software & all else stock
....Are you sure that the Mk6 GTI's turbo is a K03? I may be wrong but I thought it was different - IHI?
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Make a new tread about the TSI hybrid instead of using this one please
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Conversion kit for TSI ko3 to Ko4 in their mk6 gti increased hp from 210 to 313 with software & all else stock
....Are you sure that the Mk6 GTI's turbo is a K03? I may be wrong but I thought it was different - IHI?
Yes, Sorry it is IHI stock turbo & 313hp is capped at the minute due to everything else stock.
To get back on track though, Shark will have a range of kits available soon for the TFSI
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
Personally Paul i think thats far too much power going through the front wheels
Unless your planning AWD conversion that is, go on you know you want too :evilgrin:
Or just put it straight into an AWD Golf R. :wink:
Hurdy,
No need for any engine internals upgrade on R if you want 450ish bhp? The rest bits straight from gti - hpfp, exhaust, intercooler?
Cheers
Paul
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
Personally Paul i think thats far too much power going through the front wheels
Unless your planning AWD conversion that is, go on you know you want too :evilgrin:
Or just put it straight into an AWD Golf R. :wink:
Hurdy,
No need for any engine internals upgrade on R if you want 450ish bhp? The rest bits straight from gti - hpfp, exhaust, intercooler?
Cheers
Paul
No engine internals needed. To go from stock to L04XX and 450+bhp all you need is.......
Uprated hpfp.
Intercooler upgrade.
Intake.
TB exhaust.
Uprated in tank pump
RS4 injectors
RS4 valve.
Possibly water meth injection to keep things cool
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
Personally Paul i think thats far too much power going through the front wheels
Unless your planning AWD conversion that is, go on you know you want too :evilgrin:
Or just put it straight into an AWD Golf R. :wink:
Hurdy,
No need for any engine internals upgrade on R if you want 450ish bhp? The rest bits straight from gti - hpfp, exhaust, intercooler?
Cheers
Paul
No engine internals needed. To go from stock to L04XX and 450+bhp all you need is.......
Uprated hpfp.
Intercooler upgrade.
Intake.
TB exhaust.
Uprated in tank pump
RS4 injectors
RS4 valve.
Possibly water meth injection to keep things cool
Could have done without reading that John
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on BWA engine to run this sort of power safely is uprated rods and pistons enough?
Paul
Personally Paul i think thats far too much power going through the front wheels
Unless your planning AWD conversion that is, go on you know you want too :evilgrin:
Or just put it straight into an AWD Golf R. :wink:
Hurdy,
No need for any engine internals upgrade on R if you want 450ish bhp? The rest bits straight from gti - hpfp, exhaust, intercooler?
Cheers
Paul
No engine internals needed. To go from stock to L04XX and 450+bhp all you need is.......
Uprated hpfp.
Intercooler upgrade.
Intake.
TB exhaust.
Uprated in tank pump
RS4 injectors
RS4 valve.
Possibly water meth injection to keep things cool
Could have done without reading that John
Tempted Gaz? :wink:
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Very, but brakes next :happy2:
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Very, but brakes next :happy2:
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Conversion kit for TSI ko3 to Ko4 in their mk6 gti increased hp from 210 to 313 with software & all else stock
....Are you sure that the Mk6 GTI's turbo is a K03? I may be wrong but I thought it was different - IHI?
I asked Stevo @ Statllers, the IHI is almost exactly the same as the K03 :happy2:
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Looks like Jonny Cocker has finally driven Simon from Loba off the Vagoc forum......
"A note to all i have decided not to sponsor VAGOC Any longer due to a certain administrators affiliation with a competitor, I've really had enough of his questions and bias and half truths, I feel i can no longer be a paying sponsor and keep having to answer negative questions and comments/digs from a forum admin that's surely should be unbiased and not be part of the admin team if getting paid from rival tuning company, I've raised this and made many complaints over much time too other admin but nothing seems to change, I never had this sort of stuff on any off the many other forums we pay to sponsor. "
Pity as there was some good postings over there from members too.
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Just saw that. Shame really as Si is a top bloke.
It it did seem that JC was being outwardly harsh on him, but that post where JC posted up all his previous responses in that thread a few days back and justified each one pretty much showed otherwise. Even vRSAlex mentioned about the EGTs being potentially being a sticky point, which was the main question that seemed to be getting asked. Lest be fair, if EGTs get really high at stage 2+ on the K04, maybe they are right and adding another 100Hp to the eqyation could push them even higher. We dont know as it wasnt answered.
To be fair both of them were doing it, not just in that thread, but also others on there. Its pretty amusing to read it over facebook and the various forums. They are all at it :grin:
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Who's gonna spend that kind of money on a turbo without all the questions being answered though?? :confused:
The hype has become boring. If there were more people testing the setup on different dynos it would quickly become clear if people thought is was value for money and if there are any issues with the setup
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LO04XX turbo is getting on my car thursday :happy2:
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LO04XX turbo is getting on my car thursday :happy2:
who is mapping?
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LO04XX turbo is getting on my car thursday :happy2:
who is mapping?
REVO, for starters a stage 4 map until they have time to fit their LO04XX and properly map it in. We plan to add an Eboost2 also
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EBoost2?
Presumably a manual boost controller?
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http://www.turbosmartusa.com/product/e-boost-2http:// :happy2:
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http://www.turbosmartusa.com/product/e-boost-2http:// :happy2:
I like your style Danish, just do it with no drama, singing or dancing about it.
I've been considering an e boost 2 but how does it work with the Revo?
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http://www.turbosmartusa.com/product/e-boost-2http:// :happy2:
I like your style Danish, just do it with no drama, singing or dancing about it.
I've been considering an e boost 2 but how does it work with the Revo?
Agreed, J :congrats:
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http://www.turbosmartusa.com/product/e-boost-2http:// :happy2:
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I like your style Danish, just do it with no drama, singing or dancing about it.
I've been considering an e boost 2 but how does it work with the Revo?
The Eboost2 works very well with Revo. So easy to use and set up. Amazing piece of kit. Looking forward to this stage of the project. Cheers, Stevie. :happy2:
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http://www.turbosmartusa.com/product/e-boost-2http:// :happy2:
I like your style Danish, just do it with no drama, singing or dancing about it.
I've been considering an e boost 2 but how does it work with the Revo?
The Eboost2 works very well with Revo. So easy to use and set up. Amazing piece of kit. Cheers, Stevie.
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:happy2: Brian @ BNAutoteknik has had good experiences with the eboost on a cupraengined leon running atp 2871, a leon with rebuilt internals and K04 and a Cupra with the CTS gtx3071R so i will give it a go also. All 3 are running REVO BTW :smiley:
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NEWSFLASH!!
Next faze for the Loba car is a fully built motor, (this will be the motor that will eventually go in our 4WD car)
& a stand alone EGT / AFR kit so everyone can see the data @ different boost pressures once & for all
If you want big power with the associated lag then go for a big turbo! (I am on one of our sprint cars that's for sure!)
For a good fast road car the 4XX is unbeatable its very very strong at the top even using the stock N75 never mind an EBC
If you want more power than a stock K04 with more flexibility than a Garrett then go for a 4XX it's great inbetween option
Best thing for all to do now is let the cars do the talking, there are lots of excellent tuners on here so lets crack on it'll be good spirited fun!! :evilgrin:
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Steve did you use the VF intake when on Revo software?
Is it possible to run different intakes (and MAF diameters) with the Revo SW.
Presumably the GIAC map is written for VF Intake only?
Cheers
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No I had to use an ITG which carries over the stock size Afm housing for the Revo flash,
I always have a few intakes in to test so its no problem to keep swapping them over
Revo sent me another flash to try next week, I'll post the data up along with the EGT readings :wink:
Revo won't recalibrate the flash for a bigger AFM housing at this level
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Which software are you running right now. Is it REVO or GIAC?
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Which software are you running right now. Is it REVO or GIAC?
GIAC, how's yours running ?
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Which software are you running right now. Is it REVO or GIAC?
GIAC, how's yours running ?
How come the swap from REVO to GIAC? Are you helping to develop them both?
the question is, which is better?.....
As for my car, no idea at the moment as im in the middle east right now. Think they are installing the WMI this week, Mike only dropped the cra off to them a few days ago
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NEWSFLASH!!
Next faze for the Loba car is a fully built motor, (this will be the motor that will eventually go in our 4WD car)
& a stand alone EGT / AFR kit so everyone can see the data @ different boost pressures once & for all
If you want big power with the associated lag then go for a big turbo! (I am on one of our sprint cars that's for sure!)
For a good fast road car the 4XX is unbeatable its very very strong at the top even using the stock N75 never mind an EBC
If you want more power than a stock K04 with more flexibility than a Garrett then go for a 4XX it's great inbetween option
Best thing for all to do now is let the cars do the talking, there are lots of excellent tuners on here so lets crack on it'll be good spirited fun!! :evilgrin:
Hello Statller from APR,
I was curious as to your statement above and was hoping you could clarify it for me.
Its common knowledge that the standard BW Ko4 is almost as large as a Garrett GT28RS if you measure the compressor wheels.
One size up in Garrett's line is a GT2871R.
The only appreciable difference between a GT28RS and a standard ko4 are the exhaust wheel size, exhaust housing and compressor cover sizes and the inlet to the compressor wheel, all of which are slightly larger to much larger in the Garrett units.
That being said, and from the dyno graphs you've shown of the Loba achieving peak torque around 4000-4500 rpm's, how is that this hybrid can be considered in between a standard ko4 and a proper Garrett GT28RS and GT2871R?
This is the number 1 question out there about this hybrid turbo and I am genuinely asking so you can help me understand.
Yes, I work for APR and we prefer Garrett turbo's to any turbo put together from parts not designed or intended to work together and not manufactured by a company with the proper equipment and resources to do so but the results are the results so even tossing all of that aside, I am truly curious as to your opinion in this matter as you stated above however, I was hoping you had some more technical information or data you could share that points to such?
Thanks!
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NEWSFLASH!!
Next faze for the Loba car is a fully built motor, (this will be the motor that will eventually go in our 4WD car)
& a stand alone EGT / AFR kit so everyone can see the data @ different boost pressures once & for all
If you want big power with the associated lag then go for a big turbo! (I am on one of our sprint cars that's for sure!)
For a good fast road car the 4XX is unbeatable its very very strong at the top even using the stock N75 never mind an EBC
If you want more power than a stock K04 with more flexibility than a Garrett then go for a 4XX it's great inbetween option
Best thing for all to do now is let the cars do the talking, there are lots of excellent tuners on here so lets crack on it'll be good spirited fun!! :evilgrin:
Hello Statller from APR,
I was curious as to your statement above and was hoping you could clarify it for me.
Its common knowledge that the standard BW Ko4 is almost as large as a Garrett GT28RS if you measure the compressor wheels.
One size up in Garrett's line is a GT2871R.
The only appreciable difference between a GT28RS and a standard ko4 are the exhaust wheel size, exhaust housing and compressor cover sizes and the inlet to the compressor wheel, all of which are slightly larger to much larger in the Garrett units.
That being said, and from the dyno graphs you've shown of the Loba achieving peak torque around 4000-4500 rpm's, how is that this hybrid can be considered in between a standard ko4 and a proper Garrett GT28RS and GT2871R?
This is the number 1 question out there about this hybrid turbo and I am genuinely asking so you can help me understand.
Yes, I work for APR and we prefer Garrett turbo's to any turbo put together from parts not designed or intended to work together and not manufactured by a company with the proper equipment and resources to do so but the results are the results so even tossing all of that aside, I am truly curious as to your opinion in this matter as you stated above however, I was hoping you had some more technical information or data you could share that points to such?
Thanks!
Hello Kieth from APR!
So not to make this too boring for everyone else right now lets keep it nice and simple
We actually need to use a Garrett setup on our sprint car so no problems with the GTX series for the amazing top end!
Regards lag I was talking more Gt30's not 28's as all the GT28 cars I've fitted up have never set me on fire regards out + out performance over even a stock K04 although I've never fitted an APR kit so maybe they could be better???
Suppose we're lucky that we've have had the opportunity to try both setups and compare where as you can only go on my opinion so its a little unfair for you, maybe you should buy a Loba to test ?
Just for now let me post the Lobas true EGT's up for everyone as that seems the main concern.
If you need the Lobas specs e-mail Darius Loba I'm sure he'll talk turbo spec all day long, I've tried to get a compressor map but its hard work
Regards spool I'm talking useable accelerative power not where the turbo peeks
How are you going on with everything now? anything exciting happening?
Thanks
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NEWSFLASH!!
Next faze for the Loba car is a fully built motor, (this will be the motor that will eventually go in our 4WD car)
& a stand alone EGT / AFR kit so everyone can see the data @ different boost pressures once & for all
If you want big power with the associated lag then go for a big turbo! (I am on one of our sprint cars that's for sure!)
For a good fast road car the 4XX is unbeatable its very very strong at the top even using the stock N75 never mind an EBC
If you want more power than a stock K04 with more flexibility than a Garrett then go for a 4XX it's great inbetween option
Best thing for all to do now is let the cars do the talking, there are lots of excellent tuners on here so lets crack on it'll be good spirited fun!! :evilgrin:
Hello Statller from APR,
I was curious as to your statement above and was hoping you could clarify it for me.
Its common knowledge that the standard BW Ko4 is almost as large as a Garrett GT28RS if you measure the compressor wheels.
One size up in Garrett's line is a GT2871R.
The only appreciable difference between a GT28RS and a standard ko4 are the exhaust wheel size, exhaust housing and compressor cover sizes and the inlet to the compressor wheel, all of which are slightly larger to much larger in the Garrett units.
That being said, and from the dyno graphs you've shown of the Loba achieving peak torque around 4000-4500 rpm's, how is that this hybrid can be considered in between a standard ko4 and a proper Garrett GT28RS and GT2871R?
This is the number 1 question out there about this hybrid turbo and I am genuinely asking so you can help me understand.
Yes, I work for APR and we prefer Garrett turbo's to any turbo put together from parts not designed or intended to work together and not manufactured by a company with the proper equipment and resources to do so but the results are the results so even tossing all of that aside, I am truly curious as to your opinion in this matter as you stated above however, I was hoping you had some more technical information or data you could share that points to such?
Thanks!
Hello Kieth from APR!
So not to make this too boring for everyone else right now lets keep it nice and simple
We actually need to use a Garrett setup on our sprint car so no problems with the GTX series for the amazing top end!
Regards lag I was talking more Gt30's not 28's as all the GT28 cars I've fitted up have never set me on fire regards out + out performance over even a stock K04 although I've never fitted an APR kit so maybe they could be better???
Suppose we're lucky that we've have had the opportunity to try both setups and compare where as you can only go on my opinion so its a little unfair for you, maybe you should buy a Loba to test ?
Just for now let me post the Lobas true EGT's up for everyone as that seems the main concern.
If you need the Lobas specs e-mail Darius Loba I'm sure he'll talk turbo spec all day long, I've tried to get a compressor map but its hard work
Regards spool I'm talking useable accelerative power not where the turbo peeks
How are you going on with everything now? anything exciting happening?
Thanks
Thanks, that makes more sense that you were comparing it to something like a GT3076 but to be fair to the 30 series turbo's, the hybrid is 100bhp off in power delivery. I personally don't like 30's on 2 liters of displacement.
What have you seen with 2871R's on 2.0TFSI's? We see peak torque around 3300'ish rpm's and peak power of 480bhp with other supporting mods of course, but at a lot less than 3.2k GBP for the turbo and manifold assembly.
Right now we are on a GTX2867 and I see peak torque at 2900'ish rpm's and we have it up to 480bhp as well.
After the late 90's early 2000's, I never thought I would see anyone even try a hybrid turbo, lol. I guess history repeats itself.
In our testing, we found that the runner and collector size leading in to the turbine on the standard ko4 was creating such a restriction that we had to retard timing quite a bit. What is your actual timing at peak RPM? Do you have the proper data logging tools to see it? VCDS doesn't show a true actual timing angle after all compensations have been applied nor can you see which compensation strategy is the reason for the reduction in timing request.
Because of the runners and collectors choking off the exhaust flow beyond 380'ish, we developed the Stage 3 manifold and switched to a turbo with a larger exhaust housing. This is why we have a Stage III, otherwise it would have been a much less expensive solution to try something like a hybrid.
Even today, we are upsizing in turbocharger once we hit the timing limit of whichever exhaust housing we are using at that moment. The Stage III manifold is designed to flow a ton but on 30 series turbo's we've found that even a GT25 flange can be a point of restriction and that is much larger than the standard collector on a k04.
I was told the car had a problem with timing at high rpm, so what I describe above could be the issue you are facing (don't know if that's true or not, that's what somebody told me). If you need my datalogging, you can come down to the office some day and we can put it on the dyno and see.
Evan and I need to get up your way soon, we can bring a Stage III car if you have a free afternoon and you can run it around and take a look first hand.
Good luck with the project, let me know if I can help in any way. The customer service you guys provide seems top notch so I expect your clients will be happy or you'll at least die trying! Can't ask for more than that.
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What comp wheel size would the TTRS turbo compare to on a Garrett turbo? The Loba just uses a TTRS CHRA welded to the K04 mani/hotside does it not?
Still cant see how a TTRS Loba hybrid can produce 500FWHP (360WHP on a Maha (420WHP on anything else!)) with 5 cylinders, more fuel etc and the LO4xx can produce the same with one less piston and a more restrictive mani.
What is being said is the LO4xx will flow the same as a GTX3071?
Lag is only in existance for those who cannot select the correct gear. :driver:
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Looks like the equivalent thread on VAGOC has been Binned! Oh dear....
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yep we ALL need to be really careful this one doesnt go the same way....
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Seemed to be genuine questions that would concern someone parting with than many tenners though, that were being ignored.
Good to see Steve offer to show some figures on the EGT's.
I'm not sold tbh.
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Why would it get binned? :confused:
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Why would it get binned? :confused:
:signIWS:
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Why would it get binned? :confused:
Erm... ill have a stab at the following.
Money
Conflict of interests
Un-answered questions
Why do WE have to be carful Dave? We are all impartial... right? Surely people who have this product in there sights need any potential issues to be raised before they dump 4billion ugandan dollars on one, then find out its not quite all its cracked up to be.
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Seemed to be genuine questions that would concern someone parting with than many tenners though, that were being ignored.
Good to see Steve offer to show some figures on the EGT's.
I'm not sold tbh.
Really? But its all shiny and silver and everything!!! :grin:
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Seemed to be genuine questions that would concern someone parting with than many tenners though, that were being ignored.
Good to see Steve offer to show some figures on the EGT's.
I'm not sold tbh.
Really? But its all shiny and silver and everything!!! :grin:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FLoriPrince%2FCO_Sept_2012%2Fmagpie.jpg&hash=0ad50d13a6282d127a41224de6c1f5a08c8ae4ac)
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Why would it get binned? :confused:
:signIWS:
Ouch. Harsh. :sad1:
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The thread is going ok at the minute. :laugh:
To be fair this type of upgrade is at the pointy end of modifications and the few mentalists who take there cars this far, have travelled down the long and w binding road enough to know how all this big tuner back and to upgrade thing works. :happy2:
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Why would it get binned? :confused:
Erm... ill have a stab at the following.
Money
Conflict of interests
Un-answered questions
Why do WE have to be carful Dave? We are all impartial... right? Surely people who have this product in there sights need any potential issues to be raised before they dump 4billion ugandan dollars on one, then find out its not quite all its cracked up to be.
Well if you want to tug at that thread (pardon the pun) things got out of hand and in fairness it would have got moderated anywhere else quite a bit sooner, as long as people declare their interests are open and discuss the products in an open minded way then I'm sure we can all be grown up and find out about this turbo...bang for buck it could be a game changer.
My point being this is the only place with info on the product, there's some tech questions been asked and hopefully the answers will be forthcoming soon
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The thread is going ok at the minute. :laugh:
To be fair this type of upgrade is at the pointy end of modifications and the few mentalists who take there cars this far, have travelled down the long and w binding road enough to know how all this big tuner back and to upgrade thing works. :happy2:
:innocent: :laugh:
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the problem with the VAGOC thread was people started to take it personally i think. this thread doesnt have that issue.
What comp wheel size would the TTRS turbo compare to on a Garrett turbo? The Loba just uses a TTRS CHRA welded to the K04 mani/hotside does it not?
Still cant see how a TTRS Loba hybrid can produce 500FWHP (360WHP on a Maha (420WHP on anything else!)) with 5 cylinders, more fuel etc and the LO4xx can produce the same with one less piston and a more restrictive mani.
What is being said is the LO4xx will flow the same as a GTX3071?
Lag is only in existance for those who cannot select the correct gear. :driver:
So its not just a hybrid K04, its actually a hybrid of two completely different turbos?
As i said in the VAGOC thread, Id love to see how this performs at JKMs rollers. I dont think a stage 3 car has broken 400hp on there to date, so if the L)4xx can make this alleged 400hp minimum there then :notworthy: :notworthy:
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NEWSFLASH!!
Next faze for the Loba car is a fully built motor, (this will be the motor that will eventually go in our 4WD car)
& a stand alone EGT / AFR kit so everyone can see the data @ different boost pressures once & for all
If you want big power with the associated lag then go for a big turbo! (I am on one of our sprint cars that's for sure!)
For a good fast road car the 4XX is unbeatable its very very strong at the top even using the stock N75 never mind an EBC
If you want more power than a stock K04 with more flexibility than a Garrett then go for a 4XX it's great inbetween option
Best thing for all to do now is let the cars do the talking, there are lots of excellent tuners on here so lets crack on it'll be good spirited fun!! :evilgrin:
Hello Statller from APR,
I was curious as to your statement above and was hoping you could clarify it for me.
Its common knowledge that the standard BW Ko4 is almost as large as a Garrett GT28RS if you measure the compressor wheels.
One size up in Garrett's line is a GT2871R.
The only appreciable difference between a GT28RS and a standard ko4 are the exhaust wheel size, exhaust housing and compressor cover sizes and the inlet to the compressor wheel, all of which are slightly larger to much larger in the Garrett units.
That being said, and from the dyno graphs you've shown of the Loba achieving peak torque around 4000-4500 rpm's, how is that this hybrid can be considered in between a standard ko4 and a proper Garrett GT28RS and GT2871R?
This is the number 1 question out there about this hybrid turbo and I am genuinely asking so you can help me understand.
Yes, I work for APR and we prefer Garrett turbo's to any turbo put together from parts not designed or intended to work together and not manufactured by a company with the proper equipment and resources to do so but the results are the results so even tossing all of that aside, I am truly curious as to your opinion in this matter as you stated above however, I was hoping you had some more technical information or data you could share that points to such?
Thanks!
Hello Kieth from APR!
So not to make this too boring for everyone else right now lets keep it nice and simple
We actually need to use a Garrett setup on our sprint car so no problems with the GTX series for the amazing top end!
Regards lag I was talking more Gt30's not 28's as all the GT28 cars I've fitted up have never set me on fire regards out + out performance over even a stock K04 although I've never fitted an APR kit so maybe they could be better???
Suppose we're lucky that we've have had the opportunity to try both setups and compare where as you can only go on my opinion so its a little unfair for you, maybe you should buy a Loba to test ?
Just for now let me post the Lobas true EGT's up for everyone as that seems the main concern.
If you need the Lobas specs e-mail Darius Loba I'm sure he'll talk turbo spec all day long, I've tried to get a compressor map but its hard work
Regards spool I'm talking useable accelerative power not where the turbo peeks
How are you going on with everything now? anything exciting happening?
Thanks
Thanks, that makes more sense that you were comparing it to something like a GT3076 but to be fair to the 30 series turbo's, the hybrid is 100bhp off in power delivery. I personally don't like 30's on 2 liters of displacement.
What have you seen with 2871R's on 2.0TFSI's? We see peak torque around 3300'ish rpm's and peak power of 480bhp with other supporting mods of course, but at a lot less than 3.2k GBP for the turbo and manifold assembly.
Right now we are on a GTX2867 and I see peak torque at 2900'ish rpm's and we have it up to 480bhp as well.
After the late 90's early 2000's, I never thought I would see anyone even try a hybrid turbo, lol. I guess history repeats itself.
In our testing, we found that the runner and collector size leading in to the turbine on the standard ko4 was creating such a restriction that we had to retard timing quite a bit. What is your actual timing at peak RPM? Do you have the proper data logging tools to see it? VCDS doesn't show a true actual timing angle after all compensations have been applied nor can you see which compensation strategy is the reason for the reduction in timing request.
Because of the runners and collectors choking off the exhaust flow beyond 380'ish, we developed the Stage 3 manifold and switched to a turbo with a larger exhaust housing. This is why we have a Stage III, otherwise it would have been a much less expensive solution to try something like a hybrid.
Even today, we are upsizing in turbocharger once we hit the timing limit of whichever exhaust housing we are using at that moment. The Stage III manifold is designed to flow a ton but on 30 series turbo's we've found that even a GT25 flange can be a point of restriction and that is much larger than the standard collector on a k04.
I was told the car had a problem with timing at high rpm, so what I describe above could be the issue you are facing (don't know if that's true or not, that's what somebody told me). If you need my datalogging, you can come down to the office some day and we can put it on the dyno and see.
Evan and I need to get up your way soon, we can bring a Stage III car if you have a free afternoon and you can run it around and take a look first hand.
Good luck with the project, let me know if I can help in any way. The customer service you guys provide seems top notch so I expect your clients will be happy or you'll at least die trying! Can't ask for more than that.
I for one find it to be a good idea to bring an APR stage III and Stattlers LOBA to the same track and have them try eachothers both for standing starts and general drivealibity. Hopefully this will happen and thereby bring some insight to where the different products is best suited :happy2:
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As i said in the VAGOC thread, Id love to see how this performs at JKMs rollers. I dont think a stage 3 car has broken 400hp on there to date, so if the L)4xx can make this alleged 400hp minimum there then :notworthy: :notworthy:
....This couldn't be done with '4WD' cars such as the Golf R though, as JKM don't allow '4WD' on their 2WD rollers.
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Thanks Keith
I suppose we all have our little problems when things are pushed so far up the envelope even with the right equipment things can always go wrong once or twice but as you know that's what tunings about getting it perfect in the end then passing on a great product and seen as your working for a long established company I would imagine you've had lots of practice so no doubt you should be good
I'm not saying the Lobas perfect or for everyone or any other turbo on sale, its just another option to consider for the environment its inteded for surely we've got to give new products a chance before we dismiss them
Not trying to discredit the BT setups I like them and need to use them for some other projects but personally for I don't like them in a road car not when a modern diesel can catch you out so easy in this day and age
I'll prob be running GTX's on the 997 in the end as I don't use it too much on the road I suppose its the only way to achieve the performance I'm wanting from that particular one as we get ever hungry for more speed
I think it would be good for APR to bring along some cars to Marham or Vmax at some point, I'd genuinely (and I don't mean that patronisingly at all) like to see them run the high speed events not just 1/4 miles everyone knows I love these events and I do give credit where its due its a good event for the kind of expert tuning your talking about, I've seen a few APR cars run before but maybe they weren't set up quite right
By the way thanks for offer of help I'll let you know if we need any, its always good to have an expert on hand, I suppose if we all tried to plz everyone 100% of the time then we'd all die trying
The main ignition problem was due to the Plasma coils recovering too fast, so the ignition had to be retarded a little to stop the car trying to compensate so much
Back onto topic I'll post the EGT's from the Loba on here when the kits is fitted
Like I asked before anything new and exciting going off down at APR?
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Hi Steve,
I should be at Marham again next year, with a much improved car from last year. :happy2:
Dan
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Re Statller-Steve and APR-Keith's discussion and interaction here:
This is an excellent example of exactly how discussions about 'rival' products should be discussed: Calmly, respectfully, and informatively.
I applaud you guys :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: and I'm confident that others will agree.
There's an element of short term fun for the onlookers when any handbag fight kicks off but it can get very ugly when traders are involved.
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As i said in the VAGOC thread, Id love to see how this performs at JKMs rollers. I dont think a stage 3 car has broken 400hp on there to date, so if the L)4xx can make this alleged 400hp minimum there then :notworthy: :notworthy:
....This couldn't be done with '4WD' cars such as the Golf R though, as JKM don't allow '4WD' on their 2WD rollers.
luckily the Ed30 is FWD :wink:
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Hi Steve,
I should be at Marham again next year, with a much improved car from last year. :happy2:
Dan
Hi Dan, how are you buddy?
I'm glad to hear your cars going well, afraid I'm getting hooked on these events now, its good to run the cars hard and long it gets them nice and hot, we were on the rev limiter for a good few hundred mtrs on every run at Vmax this year just waiting for the bang ! hah
Have you got any new hardware or have APR made a stronger tune for you
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As i said in the VAGOC thread, Id love to see how this performs at JKMs rollers. I dont think a stage 3 car has broken 400hp on there to date, so if the L)4xx can make this alleged 400hp minimum there then :notworthy: :notworthy:
....This couldn't be done with '4WD' cars such as the Golf R though, as JKM don't allow '4WD' on their 2WD rollers.
luckily the Ed30 is FWD :wink:
Si you are a bully !! :laugh:
Let us run the car at Marham to see how it goes with a correct tune first, are you coming? you now have Hurdys crown to take away remember
By the looks of it my 195mph standing mile car would prob only read 500hp on JKM's heartbreaker hah! :laugh:
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Even today, we are upsizing in turbocharger once we hit the timing limit of whichever exhaust housing we are using at that moment. The Stage III manifold is designed to flow a ton but on 30 series turbo's we've found that even a GT25 flange can be a point of restriction and that is much larger than the standard collector on a k04.
By the way all this talking about flanges is getting me excited :love:
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By the looks of it my 195mph standing mile car would prob only read 500hp on JKM's heartbreaker hah! :laugh:
The mad green Fiesta that was at Marham last year is about that horsepower wise at JKM.
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I hope 30-130 next year will be dry!
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As i said in the VAGOC thread, Id love to see how this performs at JKMs rollers. I dont think a stage 3 car has broken 400hp on there to date, so if the L)4xx can make this alleged 400hp minimum there then :notworthy: :notworthy:
....This couldn't be done with '4WD' cars such as the Golf R though, as JKM don't allow '4WD' on their 2WD rollers.
luckily the Ed30 is FWD :wink:
Si you are a bully !! :laugh:
Let us run the car at Marham to see how it goes with a correct tune first, are you coming? you now have Hurdys crown to take away remember
By the looks of it my 195mph standing mile car would prob only read 500hp on JKM's heartbreaker hah! :laugh:
Steve - still 2 places left :wink:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46771.0.html
you know you want to :party:
Graeme
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Si you are a bully !! :laugh:
Let us run the car at Marham to see how it goes with a correct tune first, are you coming? you now have Hurdys crown to take away remember
By the looks of it my 195mph standing mile car would prob only read 500hp on JKM's heartbreaker hah! :laugh:
500hp if your lucky :wink:
In all honesty i think its a good idea. I said it to Si, if he wants to shut up all the doubters fo good, then JKMs rollers is the way to do it.
Many say their rollers are very very accurate, others say they read too low. But NO ONE ever says it reads high!!!
You make 400hp+ on those rollers on a rolling road day with other K04 cars to compare against, bearing in mind Stage 2+ REVO cars with all the bolt on mods make 330hp max, and there will be no doubting the turbo any more.
By the way all this talking about flanges is getting me excited :love:
Everyone loves a bit of flange :popcornsoda:
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In all honesty i think its a good idea. I said it to Si, if he wants to shut up all the doubters fo good, then JKMs rollers is the way to do it.
Many say their rollers are very very accurate, others say they read too low. But NO ONE ever says it reads high!!!
You make 400hp+ on those rollers on a rolling road day with other K04 cars to compare against, bearing in mind Stage 2+ REVO cars with all the bolt on mods make 330hp max, and there will be no doubting the turbo any more.
....There's currently just 2 places left on the next JKM Dyno-Day:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46771.0.html
But perhaps 27th October is too soon. The next is unlikely before next February at the earliest.
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Hi Graeme hope your well mate! :wink:
I will do it eventually I promise just for the laugh but can't do it now as were just too busy at work
I have the RS build to start soon and the sprint car, Id like to run them both at Marham along with the LOBA Car & 997t
Yep better be dry at the 30-130 next year!! even our 4wd car struggled to put it down last year
Are back for Marham Si you running yours down there?
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Yeah the two 996's were spinning up to.
Seeing as you have gone to the next level or two now we had better bring something quicker along ourselves next year to give you some competition!
Tbh though I think if it was dry all 3 Porsches would have cracked 200mph and did 9 sec 30-130's as they where.
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Yeah the two 996's were spinning up to.
Seeing as you have gone to the next level or two now we had better bring something quicker along ourselves next year to give you some competition!
Tbh though I think if it was dry all 3 Porsches would have cracked 200mph and did 9 sec 30-130's as they where.
Yaz and the other mad chap who was driving his 996TT were a good laugh I hope he goes next year!
are you going Pov?
We should have just a little more than we had at Vmax 200 with the larger VTG housings, Todds made me another tune a little leaner with more ignition at the top end but right now were on the 7250 limiter after 1.3 miles so need longer gearing
I know there's still a lot faster cars out there than mine but I do love running the standing mile and V max events now it really is addictive, I'd eventually love to build the 997 into a true 1000WHP car but even then there's always someone faster and madder :stupid:
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Yeah we will all be there again next year. Two of the TTRS didn't run last year due to last minute breakdowns :(
Next year I anticipate the tt's running around the same time as the 996 turbos whilst we should have a GTR along with us that should give you a run for your money.
What MPH did she top out at? I watched one of the vids from your 997 with the new mods and it just looked mental. Crazy you can hit the limiter in such a short distance.
I have to agree, these 30-130/v-max style events are my favourite.
1000whp, are you trying to take off lol :signLOL:
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Well you know what its like we always want more more more!! :party:
We see 205-206 GPS on the limiter at 7250rpms
It will pull the limiter quite easy but we know its stretching the rods a bit at those constant revs so we'll have to pull it and build it soon, I have the parts to do it now but I suppose it'll end up 4.0 with two 35's strapped to it in the end
The problem is stopping from say 220 at Marham / Brunters, I would imagine it could be a real Poo panter but fun!! :laugh:
I'll tell you now and you'll understand what I mean by this even a true 650-700whp car makes the Loba golf look like a 1.0 Corsa!
Remember though 1000whp is around 1mpg on 800cc injectors so you use over a gallon per run :signLOL:
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Remember though 1000whp is around 1mpg on 800cc injectors so you use over a gallon per run :signLOL:
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Are back for Marham Si you running yours down there?
When is it? Id like to run it, im back in the UK in November, but im away with work alot, so its not something i can book in advance.
What was Johns target? We'll be practically like for like for mods when it comes to it, the only differing thing will be software, so it will be interesting. Ill get my excuse it, the Polo is lighter and more aerodynamic....... :innocent:
Id like to top the 1/4 mile board we have but need a 13.4 to do that, so its n o easy challenge,unless i completely strip the car out like that guy did. once i have a decent time, i wont be doing any more then. Makes me cringe everytiome i launch the car :sick:
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What was Johns target? We'll be practically like for like for mods when it comes to it, the only differing thing will be software, so it will be interesting. Ill get my excuse it, the Polo is lighter and more aerodynamic....... :innocent:
Id like to top the 1/4 mile board we have but need a 13.4 to do that, so its n o easy challenge,unless i completely strip the car out like that guy did. once i have a decent time, i wont be doing any more then. Makes me cringe everytiome i launch the car :sick:
At Marham I wanted over 140mph and under 25 seconds and ended up with 143mph and 24 seconds for 30-130.
Remember it is uphill and was wet with a headwind, not good combos for a lightweight fwd car. :sad1:
Hopefully I will be there next year too with at least stage2+ and wmi and most likely with the Loba L04xx strapped on too :party:
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Thanks Keith
I suppose we all have our little problems when things are pushed so far up the envelope even with the right equipment things can always go wrong once or twice but as you know that's what tunings about getting it perfect in the end then passing on a great product and seen as your working for a long established company I would imagine you've had lots of practice so no doubt you should be good
I'm not saying the Lobas perfect or for everyone or any other turbo on sale, its just another option to consider for the environment its inteded for surely we've got to give new products a chance before we dismiss them
Not trying to discredit the BT setups I like them and need to use them for some other projects but personally for I don't like them in a road car not when a modern diesel can catch you out so easy in this day and age
I'll prob be running GTX's on the 997 in the end as I don't use it too much on the road I suppose its the only way to achieve the performance I'm wanting from that particular one as we get ever hungry for more speed
I think it would be good for APR to bring along some cars to Marham or Vmax at some point, I'd genuinely (and I don't mean that patronisingly at all) like to see them run the high speed events not just 1/4 miles everyone knows I love these events and I do give credit where its due its a good event for the kind of expert tuning your talking about, I've seen a few APR cars run before but maybe they weren't set up quite right
By the way thanks for offer of help I'll let you know if we need any, its always good to have an expert on hand, I suppose if we all tried to plz everyone 100% of the time then we'd all die trying
The main ignition problem was due to the Plasma coils recovering too fast, so the ignition had to be retarded a little to stop the car trying to compensate so much
Back onto topic I'll post the EGT's from the Loba on here when the kits is fitted
Like I asked before anything new and exciting going off down at APR?
Thanks for the reply.
I have yet do any of the 30-130 events, I do a lot with a pbox, lol so it should be good for us to go.
The most immediately exciting project we have right now is our Golf R. We are OEM injectors and OEM DSG software and making 420bhp which is achieving 8.6 second 100-200km/h.
Next is a supercharged V8 R8 and finishing up the TTRS' we have with new manifolds and turbos. Going to an external gate and GTX3076 after making ~600bhp on the GTX3071.
Cheers!
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Next is a supercharged V8 R8 and finishing up the TTRS' we have with new manifolds and turbos. Going to an external gate and GTX3076 after making ~600bhp on the GTX3071.
Cheers!
no mention of the 1.4 white peril. Im upset :grin:
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Next is a supercharged V8 R8 and finishing up the TTRS' we have with new manifolds and turbos. Going to an external gate and GTX3076 after making ~600bhp on the GTX3071.
Cheers!
no mention of the 1.4 white peril. Im upset :grin:
Its too much of a beast to mention.
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Sends the Grannies weak at the knees :scared:
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Next is a supercharged V8 R8 and finishing up the TTRS' we have with new manifolds and turbos. Going to an external gate and GTX3076 after making ~600bhp on the GTX3071.
Cheers!
no mention of the 1.4 white peril. Im upset :grin:
Its too much of a beast to mention.
haha! Yeah sorry Simon! We are also refining the 1.4 TSI hybrid turbo software with the addition of water methanol and an over boost fix. :driver:
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haha! Yeah sorry Simon! We are also refining the 1.4 TSI hybrid turbo software with the addition of water methanol and an over boost fix. :driver:
480Hp here we come......
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Sounds exciting !!
Get em on down boys will be an absolute scream!! :jumpmove:
LOVE IT !!
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The most immediately exciting project we have right now is our Golf R. We are OEM injectors and OEM DSG software and making 420bhp which is achieving 8.6 second 100-200km/h.
Cheers!
Someone mention Golf R project!! :party:
8.6seconds for the 62-124mph dash is quite tasty, especially on stock injectors and DSG software. What is your 0-100kph(0-62mph) time?. I need a drive of that R of yours. Stage 2+ for me in my Golf R tomorrow and some logs and PBox runs. Then WMI and then a turbo upgrade probably the Loba, but I'm open to alternatives Keith. :innocent:
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The most immediately exciting project we have right now is our Golf R. We are OEM injectors and OEM DSG software and making 420bhp which is achieving 8.6 second 100-200km/h.
Cheers!
Someone mention Golf R project!! :party:
8.6seconds for the 62-124mph dash is quite tasty, especially on stock injectors and DSG software. What is your 0-100kph(0-62mph) time?. I need a drive of that R of yours. Stage 2+ for me in my Golf R tomorrow and some logs and PBox runs. Then WMI and then a turbo upgrade probably the Loba, but I'm open to alternatives Keith. :innocent:
You do need to come take it for a spin now that all is sorted. Its really great. I don't get impressed much anymore but this car does it for me.
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All times are mph.
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wow, that 30-130 is really slow..... :wink: :wink: :grin:
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Yeah, I didn't intend on a 30-130 on that run so it must have logged quite a bit of 30-60 before I started the 62-124.
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but I'm open to alternatives Keith. :innocent:
Look in your build thread. Built engine and much bigger turbo for the same as what the LOBA would cost!!
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Yeah, I didn't intend on a 30-130 on that run so it must have logged quite a bit of 30-60 before I started the 62-124.
I reckon my golf Kart could make 54 seconds just about :grin:
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Yeah, I didn't intend on a 30-130 on that run so it must have logged quite a bit of 30-60 before I started the 62-124.
I reckon my golf Kart could make 54 seconds just about :grin:
Can it hit 130? :P
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Can it hit 130? :P
yeah, 130kph is 3rd gear. :wink:
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I sort of make that 0-124mph in 12 seconds using my "man maths" :jumping:
0-100mph in 7.8 seconds is VERY fast! :surprised:
Is this stock rods and pistons too Keith? Uprated in-tank pump?
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Keith is that on the std golf R cooler, or is it the APR kit?
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The most immediately exciting project we have right now is our Golf R. We are OEM injectors and OEM DSG software and making 420bhp which is achieving 8.6 second 100-200km/h.
Cheers!
Someone mention Golf R project!! :party:
8.6seconds for the 62-124mph dash is quite tasty, especially on stock injectors and DSG software. What is your 0-100kph(0-62mph) time?. I need a drive of that R of yours. Stage 2+ for me in my Golf R tomorrow and some logs and PBox runs. Then WMI and then a turbo upgrade probably the Loba, but I'm open to alternatives Keith. :innocent:
You do need to come take it for a spin now that all is sorted. Its really great. I don't get impressed much anymore but this car does it for me.
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All times are mph.
Fuxx me that 0-100 is fast I only manage 6.5 in the 997!! :surprised:
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
yeah, he has the Haldex kit fitted. :driver:
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Next is a supercharged V8 R8 and finishing up the TTRS' we have with new manifolds and turbos. Going to an external gate and GTX3076 after making ~600bhp on the GTX3071.
Cheers!
no mention of the 1.4 white peril. Im upset :grin:
Its too much of a beast to mention.
haha! Yeah sorry Simon! We are also refining the 1.4 TSI hybrid turbo software with the addition of water methanol and an over boost fix. :driver:
You mentioned that you thought the idea of hybrid turbo's ended in the early 2000's, yet you are working on a hybrid for the 1,4 TSI? :wink: :innocent:
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I sort of make that 0-124mph in 12 seconds using my "man maths" :jumping:
0-100mph in 7.8 seconds is VERY fast! :surprised:
Is this stock rods and pistons too Keith? Uprated in-tank pump?
Stock fueling, stock internals. :happy2:
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Keith is that on the std golf R cooler, or is it the APR kit?
Intercooler? APR, its part of a Stage III kit and sold separately.
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
yeah, he has the Haldex kit fitted. :driver:
Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
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Next is a supercharged V8 R8 and finishing up the TTRS' we have with new manifolds and turbos. Going to an external gate and GTX3076 after making ~600bhp on the GTX3071.
Cheers!
no mention of the 1.4 white peril. Im upset :grin:
Its too much of a beast to mention.
haha! Yeah sorry Simon! We are also refining the 1.4 TSI hybrid turbo software with the addition of water methanol and an over boost fix. :driver:
You mentioned that you thought the idea of hybrid turbo's ended in the early 2000's, yet you are working on a hybrid for the 1,4 TSI? :wink: :innocent:
Yeah. I gave them an honest go when they first came to my radar screen. I am in a contract with the manufacturer and the client to complete the project and provide a report on our findings so the project is still going and will be to completion. However, I doubt we will sell this product ourselves or make the calibration available to others.
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
yeah, he has the Haldex kit fitted. :driver:
Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
I got the remote with mine, so the button tells me and I just press :grin:
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I sort of make that 0-124mph in 12 seconds using my "man maths" :jumping:
0-100mph in 7.8 seconds is VERY fast! :surprised:
Is this stock rods and pistons too Keith? Uprated in-tank pump?
Stock fueling, stock internals. :happy2:
Even more impressive. :happy2:
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
yeah, he has the Haldex kit fitted. :driver:
Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
All the way to the right iirc.
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
yeah, he has the Haldex kit fitted. :driver:
Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
.... :surprised: I would expect you would feel the difference in handling when going through roundabouts and twisties. 'Race' setting (#3 on the Mk5 .:R, IIRC) being the more satisfying.
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I sort of make that 0-124mph in 12 seconds using my "man maths" :jumping:
0-100mph in 7.8 seconds is VERY fast! :surprised:
Is this stock rods and pistons too Keith? Uprated in-tank pump?
Stock fueling, stock internals. :happy2:
Even more impressive. :happy2:
and I should clarify, APR HPFP and R8 FPLV are fitted as those are fueling components. But the injectors and low side fuel pressure system is completely standard.
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
yeah, he has the Haldex kit fitted. :driver:
Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
I got the remote with mine, so the button tells me and I just press :grin:
I ordered the damn remote with mine but got the switch. Took the refund in difference of price instead of having them ship the right product. Kicking myself now.
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
yeah, he has the Haldex kit fitted. :driver:
Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
All the way to the right iirc.
Thank you! I've been going in between all the way to the right and all the way to the left. Don't know that it makes much of a difference in straight line but now that I can launch at whatever RPM I want, it should!
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Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
I got the remote with mine, so the button tells me and I just press :grin:
I ordered the damn remote with mine but got the switch. Took the refund in difference of price instead of having them ship the right product. Kicking myself now.
....Just leave it in 'Race' :happy2:
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Hmm, 0-60 in 3.3 and 0-100 in 7.8 is very very nice performance indeed. Does your Golf R have the aftermarket Haldex switch, Keith?
yeah, he has the Haldex kit fitted. :driver:
Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
.... :surprised: I would expect you would feel the difference in handling when going through roundabouts and twisties. 'Race' setting (#3 on the Mk5 .:R, IIRC) being the more satisfying.
Yeah, when I knew what the correct position was and I was on track or trying in roundabouts it was extremely noticeable. Last couple of months have been all straight line stuff or I've been data logging and then not driving hard because before the DSG issues were resolved, it wasn't very fun.
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Hey Keith, give us all a laugh, fgo on=ut and do some performance runs in 4wd mode, then do them again with the haldex fuse removed :grin: :grin:
Place bets on the difference :party:
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Except annoyingly, I can never remember which way on the dial is "race". So, I never know which times are with it in race mode and which are not. I just turn the dial randomly before a run. I should be better than that. :sad1:
I got the remote with mine, so the button tells me and I just press :grin:
I ordered the damn remote with mine but got the switch. Took the refund in difference of price instead of having them ship the right product. Kicking myself now.
....Just leave it in 'Race' :happy2:
I hear more of a whine from the haldex when driving long distances on the motorway or whatnot with it in Race than I do in ECO or Normal. That's why I switch it. Don't know if its even really true, just something I think I notice. I haven't investigated it so it could just be me.
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Hey Keith, give us all a laugh, fgo on=ut and do some performance runs in 4wd mode, then do them again with the haldex fuse removed :grin: :grin:
Place bets on the difference :party:
Oh I've already tested that on my old R32. Haldex went out and I was too lazy to swap it. Parts sat in the shop for a year back home with me thinking I would do the work to learn and because it would be fun. So, I or Amanda drove it for a year in FWD mode and then when I sold it, I had the techs swap in the new haldex day before new owner picked it up.
That instant torque from the 3.2 kept the tires spinning all the time at low rpm. It was terrible really.
No offense to anyone, but I hope to never have a FWD car again.
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What has the turbocharger where R driven the 8.6 sec 100-200
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What has the turbocharger where R driven the 8.6 sec 100-200
APR Stage III which includes a Garrett Honeywell GTX2867.
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ok thanks
what you can drive at maximum performance with this turbocharger
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ok thanks
what you can drive at maximum performance with this turbocharger
It really depends on all of the other modifications and the supporting hardware, ecu calibration, etc.
The limitation is fuel in the Golf R. You can use RS4 injectors and an intank fuel pump and get up to 460-480'ish depending on what lambda you are comfortable with.
At 460bhp you will see .83-.86 lambda, timing advance of around 6-9 degrees. If you want to be more aggressive (dangerous to longevity) you can push it a bit further.
Turbo is good for just about whatever you throw at it unless you want to fuel with meth injection, higher than 130bar high pressure fuel or auxiliary injectors.
We have tested a GTX3071r on a Golf R at .88 lamba, injectors similar in size to the RS4's at 150bar high pressure fuel with a timing advance around 6 and have achieved 550bhp. That's way more aggressive than I would ever run my car or recommend to a client though.
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ok thanks yes I mean the turbocharger itself, I have enough fuel with large injectors and intank fuel pump that are good to 600-700ps, so hardware arrived with me.
only intresse was what the turbocharger
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ok thanks yes I mean the turbocharger itself, I have enough fuel with large injectors and intank fuel pump that are good to 600-700ps, so hardware arrived with me.
only intresse was what the turbocharger
500bhp max. Sounds like you want a GTX3071.
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ok thanks yes I mean the turbocharger itself, I have enough fuel with large injectors and intank fuel pump that are good to 600-700ps, so hardware arrived with me.
only intresse was what the turbocharger
500bhp max. Sounds like you want a GTX3071.
Should we get this tread back on track please :happy2:
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We are all waiting on your results Jake :jumping:
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I might change the title soon to.....
'Still waiting for bloody results from this turbo'!!! :signLOL:
Hurry up Jake and get to the dyno. :evilgrin:
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yes if a GTX3076r, currently driving and test the LO4xx
Price is not 3.2k GBP is 3,295.00 EUR inc vat + shipping so 2.6k GPB :smiley:
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yes if a GTX3076r, currently driving and test the LO4xx
Price is not 3.2k GBP is 3,295.00 EUR inc vat + shipping so 2.6k GPB :smiley:
I thought that was the trade price. Was offered one at 2700 EUR plus vat plus shipping.
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yes if a GTX3076r, currently driving and test the LO4xx
Price is not 3.2k GBP is 3,295.00 EUR inc vat + shipping so 2.6k GPB :smiley:
I thought that was the trade price. Was offered one at 2700 EUR plus vat plus shipping.
Nope trades less than that
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Think loba were just plucking prices from the sky :stupid:
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Think loba were just plucking prices from the sky :stupid:
Costs a lot to build Mike, I know they're trying to do better still
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Anyone looked at the APR Stage 3 kit prices??? Serious wonga required!!!!
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Think loba were just plucking prices from the sky :stupid:
Costs a lot to build Mike, I know they're trying to do better still
Appreciate that but it looks like when they were putting feelers out for dealers they were trying their luck and making prices up?
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To who? The prices have only just been released and still not solid
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There was some fallout at the beginning of this thread about prices so it had been discussed.
I.e trade was the same as public for development turbo's.
Then all denied and PMs to the relevant parties.
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To who? The prices have only just been released and still not solid
Steve
What price are we talking from a stage 2+ car to Loba? then :smiley:
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To who? The prices have only just been released and still not solid
Steve
What price are we talking from a stage 2+ car to Loba? then :smiley:
There was some fallout at the beginning of this thread about prices so it had been discussed.
I.e trade was the same as public for development turbo's.
Then all denied and PMs to the relevant parties.
:popcornsoda:
Oki doki maybe I missed that
We have lots of projects on the go right now as well as normal day to day stuff but when we get the time we'll jump back on the baby golf !
We're going to test the Loba with just 2+ hardware next and utilize the N75 just to see how it performs, so stock injectors no WMI etc
It shouldn't be too long now before there are concrete prices for certain power kits.
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It be intreasting to see what gains would you get with stock stg2+ hardware but most importantly is the price..
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It be intreasting to see what gains would you get with stock stg2+ hardware but most importantly is the price..
Cheaper to get A.nother K04 hybrid. Speak to Alex.
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The prices aren't solid?? I might be having a brain fart but Loba Si said several units were ready and for sale?
Is it a lucky dip what price you get?
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Bit Harsh Mick, I really don't know why you've gone so anti Loba all of a sudden ? :sad1:
I also don't know whats gone off behind closed doors or prices mentioned to you or others, but I do know your not interested in this turbo so why don't we keep the thread on track & just keep testing it in different states of tune and see the results
If it works it works & that's all good if it doesn't then it's no problem as there's only me & Revo who have one at the minute in the Uk so no one else has lost out
Surley if the prices are made more competitive (if the turbo performs that is) its better for everyone interested ?
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I've certainly lost interest in anything Loba. There's plenty of kit on the market that performs that I'd rather fit. Loba just doesn't sit right with me.
Hope your cars go well in testing and you get some good results Stevie, I'm sure you will :driver:
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I've certainly lost interest in anything Loba. There's plenty of kit on the market that performs that I'd rather fit. Loba just doesn't sit right with me.
Hope your cars go well in testing and you get some good results Stevie, I'm sure you will :driver:
Sorry that you have taken that turn Mike.
As well as the Stage III of APR has a market i'm sure that this will have a place to fill. Having mine in the hand shows craftmanship above and beyond, so no faults it the item itself.
Let's see what the result will be and take it from there. :happy2:
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For goodness sake..
Pick up phone, speak to Simon and he'll tell you it's about €3200 which works out at about £2700-£2800 depending on exchange rate, they're on a shelf ready to ship.
How about approx 400-420 BHP on road fuel, stock inter cooler, stock in tank pump, Loba HPFP and injectors
Steve will tell you what else you need but I think this was at about 1.5 Bar with the so far "unproven" EGT issues from the mega high 2 bar boost map not even featuring, thinks its injectors its needs and an adapted intake which might even be an adapted OEm one.
looks totally stock, more power than Stage2+ and reckon on about 1 day to fit and about £4k plus map.
If you want to go for mega power turned right up all the time, then get all the stage 2+ bits straight away.
Me.....I'd be happy with DSG 4WD and a lazy 400 BHP 25-30mpg and enough torque to pull the side of your house off, mega reliability....drove a stage 1 RS3 once and it was quite religious...drove fantastic.
There's a load of bullsh*t around this turbo....don't believe all you read from people with vested interests in their own products, speak to them as well about their own Kits not other peoples whether its an AKS or APR or BSH or whatever and come to your own conclusions...
It's also fair to say LOBA don't try to rubbish the competition, that scores points in my eyes.
Start at 400BHP and as other tuning companies come on board buy more kit and up the power, at 400 BHP you won't need internals either, if Steves dyno is 10% out then its still 450 BHP max...on a generic map. Now here's the kicker...it's available on a £12k 57 plate S3.....you don't need to spuff 30-40k on a Golf R or TTRS to go
The price for the Turbo has only been out 10 days....all the speculation was just that....if you haven't ASKED the price then everybody is guessing ....its easily sorted by an email or a bloody phone call
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It's also fair to say LOBA don't try to rubbish the competition, that scores points in my eyes.
I like that approach. :happy2:
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I love how all tuning related topics on here turn into a warzone :grin:
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whats the latest on this then, :party:
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We have the golf fitted with this, REVO in the ECU, Eboost2 and WOT fitted, but the last piece, the BCS system is in the mail and awaited eagerly. It should have arrived today :sad1: , hopefully tomorrow then Brian can get started dialling the software in :party:
There are pictures of the build starting here:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg617513.html#msg617513 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.msg617513.html#msg617513)
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Went out in Steve Jr's Loba turbo'd car today (no WMI and turned down to 1.7bar) and it is still VERY grunty. You'll love it Jake. Although be prepared to go through a lot of front tyres :driver: :signLOL:
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I love how all tuning related topics on here turn into a warzone :grin:
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Went out in Steve Jr's Loba turbo'd car today (no WMI and turned down to 1.7bar) and it is still VERY grunty. You'll love it Jake. Although be prepared to go through a lot of front tyres :driver: :signLOL:
Damn it why am I never there when you go out in it! :fighting: :signLOL:
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Any in car video's of this thing on the go :popcornsoda:
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Went out in Steve Jr's Loba turbo'd car today (no WMI and turned down to 1.7bar) and it is still VERY grunty. You'll love it Jake. Although be prepared to go through a lot of front tyres :driver: :signLOL:
I can vouch for that too as I came along for the ride.. :driver:
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Went out in Steve Jr's Loba turbo'd car today (no WMI and turned down to 1.7bar) and it is still VERY grunty. You'll love it Jake. Although be prepared to go through a lot of front tyres :driver: :signLOL:
I can vouch for that too as I came along for the ride.. :driver:
T minus 1 :party:
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If ya think that things quick, grab a shotgun in his porsche :driver: :scared: :rolleye: :stupid:
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I'm sorry for not posting any info yet, we had a go at the dyno but ran out of air, fuel and front tyres at app. 270km/h im fifth.
http://s715.beta.photobucket.com/user/jakethemoss/media/IMG_1115-2.mp4.html
new front tyres fitted, new intank pump and another intake with help from Statllers :drinking:
Need some onroad logging and another rr day will be booked.
Here's the tyre after
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What was the purpose of making the disc glow?
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What was the purpose of making the disc glow?
no purpose, it just did during braking after the first run in the "wife" program :smiley:
Which got my friend to film it on the second run and instead filmed the tyre blew
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Anybody see this make its numbers today at Stevies?
Thought it was supposed to have blown up by now, Stevies Mrs apparently uses it for the big shop at Tesco on the same map it ran today....
It made 475 apparently this at the end of a dynoday of stage 2+ cars making 335-355 BHP so arguably no fudged figures
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475 bhp that's awesome figures
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was this engine rebuilt or was it a cdl? good results!
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Yes, there were more than a few people there and it raised quite a stir. Steve's car is still on stock internals (CDL block James). There were about 15 of us watching the run and a couple of guys off the RForum video'd it as well. He did 2 runs, one at 475 bhp and the following one was 476bhp, both made the power just before 7krpm. Looked like it would make even more power with an extended rev limit and the head built. This was just after a stock R made 266bhp and then just under 300 bhp at stage 1. Steve's dyno is a low/accurate reading dyno a bit like JKM's and I reckon it would be within 10bhp either way of the 475bhp figure if it ran there. For reference my R makes 360bhp on this dyno and that is with wmi. :happy2:
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475? :notworthy:
so, who's going to be first......... :grin:
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475? :notworthy:
so, who's going to be first......... :grin:
Probably the guy who posted just before you. :smiley:
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Yes, there were more than a few people there and it raised quite a stir. Steve's car is still on stock internals (CDL block James). There were about 15 of us watching the run and a couple of guys off the RForum video'd it as well. He did 2 runs, one at 475 bhp and the following one was 476bhp, both made the power just before 7krpm. Looked like it would make even more power with an extended rev limit and the head built. This was just after a stock R made 266bhp and then just under 300 bhp at stage 1. Steve's dyno is a low/accurate reading dyno a bit like JKM's and I reckon it would be within 10bhp either way of the 475bhp figure if it ran there. For reference my R makes 360bhp on this dyno and that is with wmi. :happy2:
Even if it over read by 30Hp that would still result in an impressive result.
What mixture WMI and what sort of benefit are we talking about with direct port injection? Single port WMI gives 10-20hp gains with a 50/50 mixture, with only minor alterations to timing, so id imagine direct port should be some impressive gains in comparison. Similar to race fuel?
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Yes, there were more than a few people there and it raised quite a stir. Steve's car is still on stock internals (CDL block James). There were about 15 of us watching the run and a couple of guys off the RForum video'd it as well. He did 2 runs, one at 475 bhp and the following one was 476bhp, both made the power just before 7krpm. Looked like it would make even more power with an extended rev limit and the head built. This was just after a stock R made 266bhp and then just under 300 bhp at stage 1. Steve's dyno is a low/accurate reading dyno a bit like JKM's and I reckon it would be within 10bhp either way of the 475bhp figure if it ran there. For reference my R makes 360bhp on this dyno and that is with wmi. :happy2:
Even if it over read by 30Hp that would still result in an impressive result.
What mixture WMI and what sort of benefit are we talking about with direct port injection? Single port WMI gives 10-20hp gains with a 50/50 mixture, with only minor alterations to timing, so id imagine direct port should be some impressive gains in comparison. Similar to race fuel?
Run was more than likely done with race fuel anyway. That combined with the race fuel will give silly numbers.
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Run was more than likely done with race fuel anyway. That combined with the race fuel will give silly numbers.
We'd never know anyway unless it was witnessed going to a garage and filling up with 99, but then if thats what we have to do its a sad state of affairs.
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If Steve said it was done on 99. Then it was.
Id trust him like I trust you.
Its just a good result lets not get into a pissing contest, learnt since last night the dyno had just been calibrated at a four figure cost.
So overall well done to all involved
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Id like to see the non meth figures though. Same with th Lo400. All the GIAC dyno graphs have WMI. Ive still not used the WMI on my car since it was installed. Im to scared of it going wrong and destroying my engine lol. Ill never install it again thats for sure lol.
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Yes the run was on 104 octane with 50% WMI on direct port running a 3 year old Giac map
Think if most people are honest you'll find lots of them running fuel sweeteners at dyno days, with a specific dyno map in some cases
475 hp (thats 500 + hp on Awesomes rollers) from a stock motor holding 380lbft from 5 to 7K rpms is no easy task I'm pretty sure if this kit was bolted to the block of the AKS hurst then it would be punted around everywhere @ £X claiming a greater victory than NASA landing men on the moon etc etc etc :indifferent:
This is my daily driver to me it's still a low power baby which we don't spend a massive amount of time playing around with
Everybody who needs to know knows the figures this motor runs without the WMI pumping, Just to re-cap this runs 400hp on my dyno with no meth on a pump file at 1.7 bar (428 hp still in pump with single point WMI)
There's more coming soon from our new tuning partners @ Peron EP!
BTW love the negative comments they keep us strong and determined where it counts :happy2:
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Make the figures a bit pointless if your running them all on 104 octane.... :popcornsoda:
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Who are peron EP ?
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Make the figures a bit pointless if your running them all on 104 octane.... :popcornsoda:
Never ran it on 104 before Saturday it costs too much !!
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Everybody who needs to know knows the figures this motor runs without the WMI pumping, Just to re-cap this runs 400hp on my dyno with no meth on a pump file at 1.7 bar (428 hp still in pump with single point WMI)
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What sort of boost can it run or is 1.7 about the most without adding the WMI? Would be interesting to see what this does with ported and polished head as well
Yes the run was on 104 octane with 50% WMI on direct port running a 3 year old Giac map
Think if most people are honest you'll find lots of them running fuel sweeteners at dyno days, with a specific dyno map in some cases
What sort of gains are the 104 Oct and the WMI are making individually over a no meth/pump fuel map, ie how much of the 75Hp is attributed to the 104Ron fuel and how much for the direct port WMI?
380lbft between 5-7k!! whats it peaking at then!!!! 4wd conversion needed there id imagine :grin:
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I run 1,8 bar on my LO4XX daily :happy2:
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I run 1,8 bar on my LO4XX daily :happy2:
Whats the "safe" limit for this turbo boost wise regarding the EGTs etc when not using WMI or race fuel?#
Are you looking at WMI with yours?
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I run 1,8 bar on my LO4XX daily :happy2:
Whats the "safe" limit for this turbo boost wise regarding the EGTs etc when not using WMI or race fuel?#
Are you looking at WMI with yours?
Yes when i get some good results without and feel i have reach what it can do without WMI, then i will be fitting it as i don't do that many miles in it no more in everyday use :happy2:
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looks like a great result to me and yes it would be less on v power but so what, still interesting to see what it is capable of :drinking:
Loba seem to be a bit like marmite... people sem to be genuinely excited about some of their products, or quite negative but in part is this not due to the competition being a little scared?
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Here we go, straight from th e Statller FB page.
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Statllers in house LOBA Motorsport GmbH LO4xx Golf DSG dyno graph from this Saturday (6-4-13) overlaid with a stock Golf Ed-30 DSG
GIAC race map with 104 octane and multi port wmi
lovely plateau of torque there. Its the first time ive ever seen a spike in power torque that high up the rev range though :confused: Looks like if it carrie don going up at the rate before the spike it would have been about 440-450hp ish.
Intrigued what RPM thats at. The power/torque curves will cross at 5252rpm on a graph with equal hp/lbft scales so LO4xx must be peaking at nearly 7k!! or am i looking at that wrong?
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Seems right to me, mine also pulls to redline without a drop in torque
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The peak is just over 7 k rpm on the Race tune Si. ( stock Ed was 5850 )
The spike isn't really a power spike as such it's the way the dyno applies the brakes to keep a steady load, the more power the car has the more load it automatically applies, so the faster the power rises the harder the brakes are applied, as the dyno takes back control the brakes ease and you see a spike, the TAT software takes the spike into consideration before spitting a number out etc etc etc :indifferent: ( getting drowsy now ! )
We're testing more hardware soon, keep an eye on Facebook I'm sure you'll have seen something similar before :wink:
Jake I'll keep you posted you'll deffo be interested and want to try :happy2:
Btw this run was under 27 pounds of boost,
Sure someone will jump in now with the nasties
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We're testing more hardware soon, keep an eye on Facebook I'm sure you'll have seen something similar before :wink:
Flowed head ? :party:
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Sure someone will jump in now with the nasties
About time you removed that bee from your bonnet Steve!!!!!!
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how much are these turbos? might get one for mine once i make it AWD.
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We're testing more hardware soon, keep an eye on Facebook I'm sure you'll have seen something similar before :wink:
Flowed head ? :party:
Nooo Its not that mate although better valve springs are on the cards :laugh:
Were teaming up with a new tuning partner testing some real exciting new hardware, that if all goes well will change even the way the stock K04's are tuned from then on :wink:
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Seems to me people are always going to say their bit and doubt people's claimed figures it doesnt matter who its from.
Some people from here may know me and some dont but i have known Steve and the lads a long time and i can say people dont understand how many times the cars ( going back to Craigs Ko4 also ) have been played about with trying various different things, basically since the first time they got there Ko4's they have been what i call lab rats having the shoot kicked out of them a lot more than most cars would get to see if they hold up and where can they push a bit more but then again still managing to be every day drivers.
If they blow an engine they can look in to where things went wrong as they want to know what can safely be done on there own cars so it doesnt happen to yours, they are happy to lap that cost up of an engine etc as one report of bad work can ruin any company and the work it gets in future for life and its basically same with his porsche.
What better way of showing what they can do than by spending money on his own cars and been out there doing it ? Its ok people saying we can remap your pride and joy but i know i would more positive knowing they had that car of there own they have done that work on and seen any issues it may cause or weakness you may see.
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We're testing more hardware soon, keep an eye on Facebook I'm sure you'll have seen something similar before :wink:
Flowed head ? :party:
Nooo Its not that mate although better valve springs are on the cards :laugh:
Were teaming up with a new tuning partner testing some real exciting new hardware, that if all goes well will change even the way the stock K04's are tuned from then on :wink:
YOu've got me thinking now. You said its something similar that we have seen before.
You have WMI already so that's obviously out, its not a flowed head, so thats gone. Id imagine its not nitrous a la Hurdy. Valve train maybe?
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Were teaming up with a new tuning partner testing some real exciting new hardware, that if all goes well will change even the way the stock K04's are tuned from then on :wink:
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Sounds intriguing, does this mean you can potentially squeeze more out of the stage2+ cars with the relevant mysterious hardware ?
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This is what I'm hoping :party:
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This is what I'm hoping :party:
Looking forward to any progress Steve.
I think a part of my issues relates to my ecu being a AXX one, and not the more sofisticated one of the BYD
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Seems to me people are always going to say there bit and doubt figures it doesnt matter who its from,some people from here may know me and some dont but i have known Steve and the lads a long time and i can say people dont understand how many times the cars ( going back to Craigs Ko4 also ) have been played about with trying various different things basically since the first time they got there Ko4's they have been basically what i call lab rats having the shoot kicked out of them a lot more than most cars would get to see if they hold up and where can they push a bit more but then again still managing to be every day drivers.
If they blow an engine they can look in to where things went wrong as they want to know what can safely be done on there own cars so it doesnt happen to yours so they are happy to lap that cost up of an engine etc as one report of bad work can ruin any company and the work it gets in future for life and its basically same with his porsche,what better way of showing what they can do than by spending money on his own cars and been out there doing it ? Its ok people saying we can remap your pride and joy but i know i would more positive knowing they had that car of there own they have done that work on and seen any issues it may cause or weakness you may see.
I have no idea what you have tried to say. :laugh: I am far removed from the spelling police, but you need to insert a few full stops or it doesn't make sense. :happy2:
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Seems to me people are always going to say there bit and doubt figures it doesnt matter who its from,some people from here may know me and some dont but i have known Steve and the lads a long time and i can say people dont understand how many times the cars ( going back to Craigs Ko4 also ) have been played about with trying various different things basically since the first time they got there Ko4's they have been basically what i call lab rats having the shoot kicked out of them a lot more than most cars would get to see if they hold up and where can they push a bit more but then again still managing to be every day drivers.
If they blow an engine they can look in to where things went wrong as they want to know what can safely be done on there own cars so it doesnt happen to yours so they are happy to lap that cost up of an engine etc as one report of bad work can ruin any company and the work it gets in future for life and its basically same with his porsche,what better way of showing what they can do than by spending money on his own cars and been out there doing it ? Its ok people saying we can remap your pride and joy but i know i would more positive knowing they had that car of there own they have done that work on and seen any issues it may cause or weakness you may see.
I have no idea what you have tried to say. :laugh: I am far removed from the spelling police, but you need to insert a few full stops or it doesn't make sense. :happy2:
Heynoneedforthatwhatstheissueisitshowupthenewguy?
Only messing
Noted and my appologies
i was on a rant and typing at work trying to avoid been captured on forums.
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Sorry for bumping an ancient topic.. Is anyone still running this turbo? Mine will be installed and tuned next month!
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Sorry for bumping an ancient topic.. Is anyone still running this turbo? Mine will be installed and tuned next month!
Justin bought mine, and he had a blown turbo shortly after. I don't know the cause for the engine failure though