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Title: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: richtung on July 02, 2012, 04:34:31 pm
just noticed this on Piston heads:

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25953 (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25953)

was in two minds about posting but i guess the more aware peeps are, the better (plus its in the public domain anyway).

should we, as VW owners be worried????

rich
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: andrewparker on July 02, 2012, 04:47:05 pm
I think owners of any modern car make should be worried. Clearly these systems are never going to be 100% safe.
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: scopes on July 02, 2012, 05:01:05 pm
Best security measures to take, to help prevent this happening?
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: kevinm on July 02, 2012, 05:30:05 pm
Best security measures to take, to help prevent this happening?

A friend relocated his obd port to another position in the car but left the original there with a permanent 12v on the pins to fry any device that is plugged into it :laugh:
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: sub39h on July 02, 2012, 05:53:44 pm
Best security measures to take, to help prevent this happening?

A friend relocated his obd port to another position in the car but left the original there with a permanent 12v on the pins to fry any device that is plugged into it :laugh:

that's brilliant
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Shorty on July 02, 2012, 05:56:01 pm
Best security measures to take, to help prevent this happening?

A friend relocated his obd port to another position in the car but left the original there with a permanent 12v on the pins to fry any device that is plugged into it :laugh:

Haha yes!

Looks like new BMW's are gonna be uninsurable pretty soon...
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Tamiyoman on July 02, 2012, 06:05:15 pm
Anyone else thinking Disklok or lockable driveway poles?
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Nodz on July 02, 2012, 06:10:11 pm
Anyone else thinking Disklok or lockable driveway poles?


Discloks don't really do much, I remember most can be got off pretty quickly. As for poles your giving them reason to come into the house which tbh, I'd rather the car just go than have that
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Tamiyoman on July 02, 2012, 06:36:04 pm
Anyone else thinking Disklok or lockable driveway poles?


Discloks don't really do much, I remember most can be got off pretty quickly. As for poles your giving them reason to come into the house which tbh, I'd rather the car just go than have that

I watched a you tube vid of one taking 10 mins to get it off and noise it made....................
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: PDT on July 02, 2012, 07:48:09 pm
Hide your OBD port. Sometimes we get a car in for tuning where the OBD port has come loose and means you cant plug into it, can take ages removing trim to find it again.
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: gti yorks on July 02, 2012, 08:55:29 pm
Watch this video, 3 mins to steal a 43k car :scared:

I've recently bought a BMW, If I'd have known about this before hand, I'd have probably got an Audi.

Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: gti yorks on July 02, 2012, 09:01:05 pm
 :ashamed: :ashamed:

Sorry didn't realise link already posted had the 1M theft on it
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Dp_Ed30 on July 02, 2012, 09:02:03 pm
one thing to remember guys is those bmws use blade less keys. our gti's even if they could program the keys they couldn't cut the glad on site
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: simonp on July 02, 2012, 09:18:42 pm
I have a VW and I have VCDS which uses the diagnostic port. To use VCDS I have to put this thing called a key in a hole and turn it first. Wonder why BMW didn't think of that?
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Speedy on July 03, 2012, 11:50:42 pm
Best security measures to take, to help prevent this happening?

A friend relocated his obd port to another position in the car but left the original there with a permanent 12v on the pins to fry any device that is plugged into it :laugh:

 :signLOL: that is clever, I would love to see a thieves face thinking he is getting away with it but at his loss!
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Eddie-NL on July 04, 2012, 06:05:20 am
I have a VW and I have VCDS which uses the diagnostic port. To use VCDS I have to put this thing called a key in a hole and turn it first. Wonder why BMW didn't think of that?

There is a similar tool that will start the car for vag group vehicles to bypass the immobiliser, you don't need the ignition on for that.

And there are limited number of keyblades variations, a well equiped thief will have all of them

Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Hedge on July 04, 2012, 08:31:12 am
Yes the OBD port is live even without the ignition on as you initially plug the Bluefin handset in with the ignition off.
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: dodds-gttdi on July 04, 2012, 08:51:08 am
Best security measures to take, to help prevent this happening?

A friend relocated his obd port to another position in the car but left the original there with a permanent 12v on the pins to fry any device that is plugged into it :laugh:

Hide your OBD port. Sometimes we get a car in for tuning where the OBD port has come loose and means you cant plug into it, can take ages removing trim to find it again.

This sounds like the best solution for those concerned. Only thing I can think of is you might get a few angry garages coming after you if you fry their diagnostic/servicing tools if you forget to tell them about the 12v live.  :nerd: :jumping:
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: simonp on July 04, 2012, 11:22:49 am
Well I for one am happy that this tech exists. I'd rather some twocker comes to my house equipped with a laptop than kicks the door in and demands the keys at knifepoint...
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: cooljimy84 on December 10, 2014, 12:29:03 pm
?? Shouldn't this be a sticky ??

i knew a few cars were open to it, but the list is growing !
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Matthewsimone on December 10, 2014, 12:40:19 pm
Well I for one am happy that this tech exists. I'd rather some twocker comes to my house equipped with a laptop than kicks the door in and demands the keys at knifepoint...

Have to agree there mateits a lump of metal, i have insurance so if the scum bags want it let them take it
Much prefer that than someone trying to come into my home for keys with my daughter asleep in bed as that could end very messy for me or them  :sick:
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: omeydz on December 10, 2014, 01:32:49 pm
I saw this a while ago. My idea was to chop the obd port and wires off, pin into different type of connector and add the obd to the other end. So male and female connector combo allows you to connect the obd when you want to use it. And when you remove it the thief will be greeted with a different connector and be stumped in theory and not know pin assignments.

Good idea?
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: doylebros on December 10, 2014, 02:30:43 pm
Best tell James Bond about that idea!

http://rt.com/uk/212795-bond-spectre-cars-stolen/
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: th3_f15t on December 10, 2014, 06:01:58 pm
Well I for one am happy that this tech exists. I'd rather some twocker comes to my house equipped with a laptop than kicks the door in and demands the keys at knifepoint...

Plus only a small bit of window smashed compared to trim being ripped off, wires destroyed and locks damaged to achieve the same result. I plan to fit a tracker to my car so even if it does get stolen, least I can inform the police where it is and let them do the dirty work.
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: StuF on December 10, 2014, 06:17:22 pm
Well I for one am happy that this tech exists. I'd rather some twocker comes to my house equipped with a laptop than kicks the door in and demands the keys at knifepoint...

Plus only a small bit of window smashed compared to trim being ripped off, wires destroyed and locks damaged to achieve the same result. I plan to fit a tracker to my car so even if it does get stolen, least I can inform the police where it is and let them do the dirty work.

Unfortunately trackers can be defeated very simply and quickly too! If they want your motor it is going regardless, there is so much tech about these days to defeat security measures sometimes a hidden kill switch or similar is more effective. Just type 12v car tracker blocker into your favourite search engine!
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: doylebros on December 10, 2014, 06:28:45 pm
These Mult-T-Locks take a bit beating:-

http://www.mul-t-lockusa.com/res/English_Product_files/Vehicle%20protaction%20solutions/mvp%2022-11.pdf
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: Trekmeister on December 10, 2014, 06:36:53 pm
Back in the day I had a fiesta XR2 which some determined thieves tried to steal (pushed it away and had a big battery hooked up) but I had a kill switch and therefore they couldnt get it started and ended up leaving it. How hard would it be for an automotive electrician to fit one and would it even work or cause havoc with the ecu given cars have moved on significantly over the past 20 years?
Title: Re: OBD Port security vulnerbility..
Post by: W6llace on December 10, 2014, 06:47:40 pm
Gonna wire my gti to the mains that should do the trick  :P