MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: lswed30 on November 19, 2008, 04:38:31 pm
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afternoon chaps
I've been looking at air intakes(I'm slowly coming around to the idea of more power after I went out in an evo at the weekend).
Now I've found a few but on the face of it they all look ok but the one that jumps out at me is the Dbilas Flowmaster Intake System .
http://loader.sc0rian.com/users/public/q1943vwgti_regal025l41.jpg
It looks like it would do the job very well. They all seem to be around the same price and they have +/- features. This Dbilas means you dont get to put the engine cover back on, according to them. But with a little jiggery pokery I suspect you can?
Has anyone used this yet and what are other people running?
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You can use the original engine cover if your willing to hack it down a bit, or you can buy a replacement cover which is just that a cover - think its about £79.
Are you manual or DSG?
EVOMS and Forge are another couple to look at.
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I have got a Carbonio but I wish I would have looked at other products at the time when I was in the market for an intake :sad: Knowing what I know now I would have definately gone for the Dbilas. It has had some really good reports especially on tuned up ED30's/S3's :happy2:
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I have got a Carbonio but I wish I would have looked at other products at the time when I was in the market for an intake :sad: Knowing what I know now I would have definately gone for the Dbilas. It has had some really good reports especially on tuned up ED30's/S3's :happy2:
Also especially as you have an aftermarket fuel pump!
Looking forward to seeing your car at the meet!! :smiley:
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Looking forward to hearing your exhaust. Last time I heard an APR exhaust I thought it was an M3 going past at full chat! :jumpmove:
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Had the Dbilas then went for an Evoms,
I really like my Evoms, makes a great noise -
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What sort of noise does it make Rob? More of a growl?
I would guess that you can really hear that thing sucking!!
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Hmm hard to explain, the blow off sound is louder with abit of a growl when giving it some,
It doesnt sound like the growl you hear on a piper x fiestas you get around town, its quiet when
you want it to be.
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cheers chaps,
Opinion is split then. Looks like its down to personal choice. Think I will save my pennys for the Dbilas one if anyone gets it before me let me know how it goes :happy2:
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Zboyd on the seatcupra.net has one on his cupra and he likes it
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To me the dbilas looks alot nicer and better designed as it has a more ram air effect from the existing intake duct at the front of the car. Also the filter is completely shielded so less chance of it sucking in hot air.
May have to look into getting a dbilas, never seen one before, looks really good 8)
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ITG, who are very highly rated as air filter manufacturers, are working on an aftermarket Air Intake for the Mk5 GTI. I'm waiting for that. We don't know when yet.
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Yep i bet ITG will make a good filter, guessing it will be enclosed? are they using your car Red for the testing?
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No, I'm not testing it. They are liaising with tuners and still developing it. Should be a good 'un.
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ITG, who are very highly rated as air filter manufacturers, are working on an aftermarket Air Intake for the Mk5 GTI. I'm waiting for that. We don't know when yet.
when you know more about it could you let us know :happy2:
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+ 1 :happy2:
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Of course! :happy2:
ITG are the sort of company that will only release it when they are 100% happy with it and it'll only be ready when it's ready!
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+ 2 :happy2:, very happy with the ITG Panel but think once Milltek is fitted a better intake would also be a good addition.
Does anyone know if anything came of the new Forge Intake JKM where trying to get volunteers for a while a go??
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Forge - (although Evoms looks just as good )
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67082&highlight=Forge
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^^^ Cheers Rob :smiley:
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If you buy the Dbilas then you can buy the evoms engine cover to fit and the evoms heatshield too, i do without the engine cover but keep meaning to buy the heatshiled :confused:
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Re The forge intake : -
"The installation of the “open†European spec. fog light grills, if not already installed, is recommended for optimum airflow"
^ Don't let T_T see this!! :evilgrin:
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I :drool: everytime I see the D-Bilas, then I look at the price & my bank account and :sad: .
Here's a few more:
APR's new design: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4122669
Looks like APR is going for the new 2.0T TSI, but they are planning 2.0T FSI applications.
BSH: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4125835
BSH has this for the 2.0T FSI, but is working on one for the 2.0T TSI.
I use a Neuspeed P-Flow myself. :happy2:
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I'll hold off for e itg one. They have a very good reputation.
Or we can all sort out a heist at the gruppem factory and get loads of free ones :evilgrin:
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There are hundreds of the bloody things good job I know what I want lol.
Is it me or does that Forge one look a little Friday afternoon ish? It probably does the trick but I like things massivly over engineered.
It's going to be a few months before I get one anyway so will wait and see what this ITG one comes up like, but again not to keen on those foam filters.
On a side note I always thought the foam filters where a big no no when it came to road cars. They make more power but let in a lot more shizzer. I suppose this is just scare mongering, but with turbos I presume the filtration has to be as good as it can be?
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Yes, the filter is perhaps the most important component in an Air Intake system.
I'd have to conduct quite scientific tests to tell you what any improvements are, and you know what the placebo effects are!
My Carbonio intake came with a PiperCross panel filter and someone I know with a Mk5 GTI, who is a highly qualified engineer and whose opinion I respect, told me ITG were the best. The ITG filter is certainly of very robust multilayered construction and fits the 'box' very tightly, so sealing is good - Better quality than the PiperCross which in turn is much better than the standard 'paper' panel. Extremely low maintenance was also a factor in my decision - No additional oiling is ever needed and just an occasional dust off. Also a lifetime warranty.
Don't forget that the VW standard filter gets thrown away and replaced every ?,000 miles when servicing - What does that tell you?
The ITG Pro-filter utilizes the same three layer reticulated polyester foam used on the MAXOGEN air filters. Unlike some of the competition, ITG filters have a massive dust load-up tolerance, which is the ability to absorb a large amount of dust without reducing air flow capacity. With the standard K03 turbo I wouldn't like to say that any performance gains are appreciable without proper scientific testing. However, the manufacturers claim about +2 bhp is possible.
It's also MAF-friendly! And probably more benefit to a remapped car.
If you plan on keeping your car, as I do, then it'll quickly pay for itself by not needing to replace it - 60 squid well spent imo.
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I like the theory of the intake being at low level away from the heat of the engine bay and hence scooping colder air (as the Forge solution). However, as the colder air anyway has to pass through piping (metal which heats up!) I don't understand how the air which gets finally delivered can be colder.
Also, I didn't notice a hydro-lock on the Forge system.
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If you buy the ITG - make sure that you wipe the oil off it before you install it!
My one was really oily - which isn't good for the MAF!
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Had the Dbilas then went for an Evoms,
I really like my Evoms, makes a great noise -
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I'm patiently waiting for the courier bringing me one of these, ordered it from Regal as they supply the additional part required to adapt it to the ED30. Was either going to be this or the Dbilas, but having read up a bit on in and funnily enough also on Regals advice opted for the Evoms.
If anyone wants one of these the ED30 specific CAI is arriving in March, I just couldnt wait and ordered now.
Had a last minute change of heart on the exhaust and went Milltek instead of APR, mainly as I got a good deal on the Milltek locally.
Can't wait to have the CAI and Exhaust fitted, slight delay on fitting the CAI as the heat shields were not in stock, but at least as the exhaust and CAI are being fitted at different times i'll be able to experience the difference (if any) that they make.
I intend to go stage 2 shortly after then I'm going to concentrate on brakes and handling before going stage 2+ in the summer.
This is fun!!!!!!! :laugh:
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Hmm hard to explain, the blow off sound is louder with abit of a growl when giving it some,
It doesnt sound like the growl you hear on a piper x fiestas you get around town, its quiet when
you want it to be.
....VrStu gave me a ride in his Octavia with an EVOMS - Personally, I really didn't like the sound at all - Very rough and grating like a cement mixer.
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Hmm hard to explain, the blow off sound is louder with abit of a growl when giving it some,
It doesnt sound like the growl you hear on a piper x fiestas you get around town, its quiet when
you want it to be.
....VrStu gave me a ride in his Octavia with an EVOMS - Personally, I really didn't like the sound at all - Very rough and grating like a cement mixer.
:surprised: Don't be saying that when im all excited waiting for mine!!!!!!!!!! or i'll have to mention the girl you posted in an earlier thread that you dated was actually a lady boy. :signLOL:
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Sorry Davy! It is only a personal view though and anything to do with sound is very subjective.
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Was kidding, I know where you're coming from re sound etc. I listened to a few on youtube, didnt sound too bad though hard to tell.
It just arrived as I was typing :jumpmove:, really would love to put it on but need the feckin heat shield...... :fighting:
Anyone whos fitted one of these know if it would be much hassle to fit it for a few days and then remove part to fit the heatshield later?
Am i making work for myself doing this?
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It's up to you of course but our FSI engines get pretty hot and, if it was me, I'd wait for the heatshield and play it safe.
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Was kidding, I know where you're coming from re sound etc. I listened to a few on youtube, didnt sound too bad though hard to tell.
It just arrived as I was typing :jumpmove:, really would love to put it on but need the feckin heat shield...... :fighting:
Anyone whos fitted one of these know if it would be much hassle to fit it for a few days and then remove part to fit the heatshield later?
Am i making work for myself doing this?
Is it the MAF heatshield that your missing? If so you can fit this easily with the intake fitted.. No problems at all..
Just make sure that when fitting the intake remove the rear engine cover mounts first then it will make fitting the heatshield with the intake in place easy!
I wouln't say there is any problem running the intake without the heatshield, just its going to help when you get it installed..
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I wouln't say there is any problem running the intake without the heatshield, just its going to help when you get it installed..
....Highly unlikely to be a problem short term but, on the basis of reading posts across the pond, there have been cases of melting pipes - Hence why suppliers bother to manufacture a heatshield.
Sorry, I know I'm being a bit over cautious.
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I wouln't say there is any problem running the intake without the heatshield, just its going to help when you get it installed..
....Highly unlikely to be a problem short term but, on the basis of reading posts across the pond, there have been cases of melting pipes - Hence why suppliers bother to manufacture a heatshield.
Sorry, I know I'm being a bit over cautious.
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Yeah, its certainly not idea but I doubt you would have too many problems if its just short term..
Thats the only potential problem with the Evoms, it does get the intake pipe pretty soft when really hot..
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Thanks for the replies, its cold and wet outside so im going to hang fire for now. Hopefully have the heat shield by Monday. :happy2:
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Thanks for the replies, its cold and wet outside so im going to hang fire for now. Hopefully have the heat shield by Monday. :happy2:
Oh and thanks for the tip re the cover mounts.
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I have a heatshield I dont use anymore - trouble is I dont have it around at the mo after storing the things out the garage.
How much is it worth?
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Thanks for the replies, its cold and wet outside so im going to hang fire for now. Hopefully have the heat shield by Monday. :happy2:
Oh and thanks for the tip re the cover mounts.
No probs :happy2:
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Just to add to the mix, i have VF engineering intake fitted. The one thing I will say is that a 'boxed' filter could be quieter than an open one like this. This kit made the car throttle response much sharper and 'free-er' feeling and works well with the stage 2 remap and performance downpipe etc. It also added a few new sounds to the cabin, such as a gentle whooshing under acceleration, sometimes a whistle, and a sound like a BOV when changing gear. I didn't buy it for the sound factor, but don't mind it one bit - just something to bear in mind.
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Just to add to the mix, i have VF engineering intake fitted. The one thing I will say is that a 'boxed' filter could be quieter than an open one like this. This kit made the car throttle response much sharper and 'free-er' feeling and works well with the stage 2 remap and performance downpipe etc. It also added a few new sounds to the cabin, such as a gentle whooshing under acceleration, sometimes a whistle, and a sound like a BOV when changing gear. I didn't buy it for the sound factor, but don't mind it one bit - just something to bear in mind.
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I was sorta hoping this would add some interesting new sounds to my driving experience, hence i took it over the Dbilas.
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I was sorta hoping this would add some interesting new sounds to my driving experience
....I like your thinking!
Hearing your car's mechanicals etc greatly enriches your driving pleasure doesn't it. I can't stand over soundproofed and wallowing caccoon-like cars! :fighting:
Unfortunately modern trends are towards caccooning us :angry015:
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I have the Dbilas flowmaster fitted.
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It isn't a quiet intake at all. In fact it is very musical in a harmonica kind of way. Some people like the sound some don't.
I have also a Dbilas branded heatshield bought through Regal, which I havn't fitted yet. Saying that, even after a good run, you can pop the bonnet and the metal intake pipe is very cold even above the turbo. Guess it is down to all the lovely cold air pasting through the pipe keeping it nice and cool.
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I had the Dbilas, wanst keen on the odd whistling sound it made. And wuth DSG threw is into limp mode a couple of times. Must admin though it did seem to add a little grunt mid-range and like you say the pipe stays cold when I had mine on in the summer months.
Its said there is a fair bit to get from a proper intake on the TFSI but its finding the right one.
Interesting, you've put your catch can over near the battery - did you have enough pipe to do this or got some extra? Looking at that it should fit with the engine cover too.
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I have the Dbilas flowmaster fitted.
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It isn't a quiet intake at all. In fact it is very musical in a harmonica kind of way. Some people like the sound some don't.
I have also a Dbilas branded heatshield bought through Regal, which I havn't fitted yet. Saying that, even after a good run, you can pop the bonnet and the metal intake pipe is very cold even above the turbo. Guess it is down to all the lovely cold air pasting through the pipe keeping it nice and cool.
Do you fancy doing a review on the BSH PCV and Catch can?? :happy2:
Would be cool to hear your impressions of the system and if you feel any benefits :smiley:
Jonny
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I have the Dbilas flowmaster fitted.
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It isn't a quiet intake at all. In fact it is very musical in a harmonica kind of way. Some people like the sound some don't.
I have also a Dbilas branded heatshield bought through Regal, which I havn't fitted yet. Saying that, even after a good run, you can pop the bonnet and the metal intake pipe is very cold even above the turbo. Guess it is down to all the lovely cold air pasting through the pipe keeping it nice and cool.
Do you fancy doing a review on the BSH PCV and Catch can?? :happy2:
Would be cool to hear your impressions of the system and if you feel any benefits :smiley:
Jonny
Will do. It will be in the morning though as I work nights. Not got much time right now.
Interesting, you've put your catch can over near the battery - did you have enough pipe to do this or got some extra? Looking at that it should fit with the engine cover too.
Yes plenty of pipe, got about 6-8" left.
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I have the Dbilas flowmaster fitted.
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im running the dbilas too ..
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didn't think it was too loud, not too noticeable at low speeds but a nice tone produced when throttling it, lower the windows though and you can hear the air getting sucked in, sounds good especially when going through a tunnel
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Looks so much tidier with an engine cover imo, even if without the central strip.
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Got the Evoms Intake fitted today, was'nt to bad a job, apart from the battle with the turbo inlet pipe clamp.
Sound wise it's not as dramatic a difference as previous write ups on the intake have mentioned.
You can definately make out the sucking noise as the car accelerates and the occasional pfttttt, its like the cars alive and breathing.
Pick-up wise again not sure I noticed any major difference, I took it for a bit of a spin and then checked that all was tight and fixed down, lost a 25mm torx head in my engine somewhere and I can hear the fecker ratting about. Hope it falls out soon.
No warning lights, no adverse effects, some new sounds to listen to, and another mod added so im happy.
Added my site stickers as well.
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So what intake would people recommend for the GTI DSG? I have heard a few people mention that the DSG doesnt take well to aftermarket intakes?
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So what intake would people recommend for the GTI DSG? I have heard a few people mention that the DSG doesnt take well to aftermarket intakes?
difficult to suggest which one to recommend as they are all pretty similar, i went for dbilas as it draws air from the same place as the oem one does and not from inside the engine like the vf or evoms which will be hotter air, whether this has any benefit at all it is hard to tell though it may become more apparent when or if we get a summer, as heat soak can be an issue.
as for any problems been running mine for 1500 miles now and no problems encountered with the dsg box and surprisingly my mpg seems to have improved so cant complain.
what problems have you heard?
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I've never heard of any intake problems due to being DSG. If you think about it, it simply doesn't make any sense! Don't believe everything that some 'expert' on the internet tells you (including me!!).
The filter is an important part of an air intake system.
I run a pretty carbonfibre Carbonio and a mega expensive ITG Competition filter in the oem box : -
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I'd have to conduct quite scientific tests to tell you what any improvements are, and you know what the placebo effects are!
My Carbonio intake came with a PiperCross panel filter and someone I know with a Mk5 GTI, who is a highly qualified engineer and whose opinion I respect, told me ITG were the best. The ITG filter is certainly of very robust multilayered construction and fits the 'box' very tightly, so sealing is good - Better quality than the PiperCross which in turn is much better than the standard 'paper' panel. Extremely low maintenance was also a factor in my decision - No additional oiling is ever needed and just an occasional dust off. Also a lifetime warranty.
Don't forget that the VW standard filter gets thrown away and replaced every ?,000 miles when servicing - What does that tell you?
The ITG Pro-filter utilizes the same three layer reticulated polyester foam used on the MAXOGEN air filters. Unlike some of the competition, ITG filters have a massive dust load-up tolerance, which is the ability to absorb a large amount of dust without reducing air flow capacity. With the standard K03 turbo I wouldn't like to say that any performance gains are appreciable without proper scientific testing. However, the manufacturers claim about +2 bhp is possible.
It's also MAF-friendly! And probably more benefit to a remapped car.
If you plan on keeping your car, as I do, then it'll quickly pay for itself by not needing to replace it - 50 squid well spent imo.
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VWRacing/RacingLine's 300R GTI runs an oem air intake.
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I had a Dblias - worked ok but round town the DSG changes seems to get confused on occasion - went into limp mode twice during this time.
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I had a Dblias - worked ok but round town the DSG changes seems to get confused on occasion - went into limp mode twice during this time.
....But what makes you attribute your DSG shift hiccups to the Dbilas?
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I had a Dblias - worked ok but round town the DSG changes seems to get confused on occasion - went into limp mode twice during this time.
....But what makes you attribute your DSG shift hiccups to the Dbilas?
There were no DSG hiccups, just the way the DSG obviously changes when it wants to I dont think the filter helped
going into limp mode was a little odd but it was obviously down the the filter to a degree as its not done it since.
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The DSG in my GTI trips itself up occasionally driving around town as well, both with the current Neuspeed intake and with the OE airbox. The DSG is controlled by the Mechatronics unit, not the ecu.
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Hot air intake is not an issue to be concerned about, the VF and EVOMS both have access to outside air from the OEM slot. The VF kit forms a large box scoop/container for the outside air when the bonnet is closed, and has a smooth route all the way to the turbo inlet for air flow.
As for making a decision, at the end of the day its horses for courses. Cost? Performance? Looks? Sound? Most people seem happy with their choices, so they all seem to work. I added my VF kit after a remap and performance downpipe and noticed a gain in throttle response and grunt. I feel the difference would not have been as noticable without the prior mods. A more enclosed filter would be quieter. I went for the VF because it appeared to be good quality and had good reviews.
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Hot air intake is not an issue to be concerned about, the VF and EVOMS both have access to outside air from the OEM slot. The VF kit forms a large box scoop/container for the outside air when the bonnet is closed, and has a smooth route all the way to the turbo inlet for air flow.
....Smooth but with corners/bends in the pipework. I'm not rubbishing the aftermarket intakes but just pointing out the problems or factors which detract from efficiency.
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I know what you're saying RR, but it works like a dream, nice improvement for me :happy2:
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Always great to hear that someone is well pleased with how a mod works.
I'm not necessarily going to further upgrade my intake but am very interested to see what ITG will bring to market when it's ready.
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Having done a few more miles with my Evoms, sound aside(which has grown on me), there is a definate improvement in how the car drives, I wasnt sure if there was a difference straight after i fitted, but for some reason I'm noticing it more now.
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:happy2: for Evoms here.
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the problem with the std airbox is its position as well, sat on top of the engine warming the air up as it passes through it :smiley: