MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: zub-gti on May 27, 2009, 05:24:34 pm
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Can someone please highlight the differences between the standard GTi and the Edition 30 model.
thanks,
Z
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How techie an answer do you want?
They have 30 bhp more
Different stitching on the leather inside
Different wheels
Thats the simple differences...
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K04 Turbo, Pescaras, colour coded half leather seats urm and other stuff! :rolleye:
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Ko4 Turbo - extra 30BHP
Colour coded bumpers
Extra lip on front bumper, and slightly different rear bumper
ED30 door strips etc
Interior ED30 trim (very subtle)
Part leather heated seats
Percara 18" alloys
Limited edition with unique build number on plaque
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I made the same thread before I bought mine - check here....
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=103606.0
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Probably the most important bit for most is the tunability of the edition 30 :evilgrin:
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........I think that covers it........apart from the red stitching
oh.........and the gear knob :rolleye:
but apart from all the other lists and the red stitching and the gear knob, what did the romans ever do for us........... :sleepy:
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As above
+ darkened rear light lenses as standard
the 18" Pescaras are standard too (whereas on the normal GTi 17" Monzas are standard)
never been quite sure about the exhaust - is it slightly bigger bore on the ED 30 ??
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No exhaust is the same.. i have read that in another post.
Thanks to all for your response.
You mention the bigger turbo, can this be installed on the STd GTI with a remap ?
Also, Why is the 'tunability' better for the ED30 ?
Can someone please post pictures of the darkend rear lights, side stripes, front and rear bumper, so i can compare to mine.
thanks,
Z
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Hi Zub,
Look in the colours section (linky below) and there are several photo's of Edition 30's in there. :happy2:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=31.0
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The tuneability of the ED30 is better as it is already a basically de-tuned S3 engine (slightly different compression ratio though). The S3 engine already develops 261bhp as stock.
A standard GTI produces (officially) 197bhp and with mods you can see around 265bhp max - so about 68bhp increase
A standard ED30 (officially) produces 227bhp and with the same mods will see up to around 330bhp - so about 103bhp increase.
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Thought the edition 30 had a 3" downpipe ?, I'm sure some smart arse will be along to prove me wrong though :P
No exhaust is the same.. i have read that in another post.
Thanks to all for your response.
You mention the bigger turbo, can this be installed on the STd GTI with a remap ?
Also, Why is the 'tunability' better for the ED30 ?
Can someone please post pictures of the darkend rear lights, side stripes, front and rear bumper, so i can compare to mine.
thanks,
Z
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milltek do a 3" dp for the ed30 and 2.5" for the gti, :happy2:
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Same exhaust, i have both the gti and ed30 at home, and they are exactly the same. :happy2:
Thought the edition 30 had a 3" downpipe ?, I'm sure some smart arse will be along to prove me wrong though :PNo exhaust is the same.. i have read that in another post.
Thanks to all for your response.
You mention the bigger turbo, can this be installed on the STd GTI with a remap ?
Also, Why is the 'tunability' better for the ED30 ?
Can someone please post pictures of the darkend rear lights, side stripes, front and rear bumper, so i can compare to mine.
thanks,
Z
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Not getting this;
If the edition30 engine is identical to the GTi apart from the turbo, surley the GTi has the same tunability once you install the bigger turbo ?
Right ???
and miltek do a 3" and 2.5" DP but what is the dia of the oem unit ?
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If the edition30 engine is identical to the GTi
It's not. That's the gist of the post above.
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ED30/S3 had different pistons, rods, cylinderhead and stuff than the regular GTI
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Not getting this;
If the edition30 engine is identical to the GTi apart from the turbo, surley the GTi has the same tunability once you install the bigger turbo ?
Right ???
and miltek do a 3" and 2.5" DP but what is the dia of the oem unit ?
Not quite, very close though..
As the ED30 runs lower compression about 0.5 points.. You can run more timing with the ED30. That transfers to about 15hp more up top..
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Can someone please post pictures of the darkend rear lights, side stripes, front and rear bumper, so i can compare to mine.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fi64%2FJerry_G%2FED30Outside.jpg&hash=0e29da33621480dd2b5c718a5d8e7ac233176092)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fi64%2FJerry_G%2FCar3.jpg&hash=1812448c7fb976c02132994f606bb2832544dd79)
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And here's another :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FGreenouse%2FPlayers_09%2FP4250087.jpg&hash=7c5f15efaf28c3afd62b9453d55050efc857be47)
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Excellent, now we're getting somewhere;
So the ED30 has different;
Engine:
Pistons
Rods
Compression ratio
Cylinder head
Turbo (Ko4 Turbo )
Body:
All the lower skirts / bumpers are colour coded
Side skirts - Colour coded (shape different ?)
Front Bumper ? (what's the difference here (extra lip) ?)
Front splitter - bigger
Rear Bumper - Colour coded (is shape different?)
Rear lights - darkened (Otherwise identical lighting arrangement?)
Side stripes ? Is there any difference ?
Wheels;
18" Pescaras are standard
Interior;
Seats - Part leather heated seats (red stitching?)
Gear knob - Differences ?
Limited edition with unique build number on plaque
Mats - red stitching
Wheel - red stitching
Please confirm ??'s and add and confirmed differences.
Z
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Don't take this the wrong way, but is there a purpose to this ?
I can understand why you'd want a good idea of the main mechanical differences if you intend to tune, but whether the mats have got red stiching or not :confused:
A few weeks ago I was looking at the differences - but because I want to tune, So I sold my Gti and bought an ED30. Didn't cost the earth to upgrade and now I have a more insurance friendly route to big power. A new exhuast and a remap sounds better than ''I've changed loads of stuff on my car, including fitting a bigger turbo, to mimik an Ed30''. My insurance Co charged me no extra to trade up to the ED30 either (well £1.05 admin charge :grin:)
:happy2:
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Are you buying one ?, or building a database ?
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Don't take this the wrong way, but is there a purpose to this ?
I can understand why you'd want a good idea of the main mechanical differences if you intend to tune, but whether the mats have got red stiching or not :confused:
A few weeks ago I was looking at the differences - but because I want to tune, So I sold my Gti and bought an ED30. Didn't cost the earth to upgrade and now I have a more insurance friendly route to big power. A new exhuast and a remap sounds better than ''I've changed loads of stuff on my car, including fitting a bigger turbo, to mimik an Ed30''. My insurance Co charged me no extra to trade up to the ED30 either (well £1.05 admin charge :grin:)
:happy2:
Thanks, I can see where your coming from, but if you don't have anything constructive to say why bother hi-jacking someone's thread.
Don't want to change my GTi... happy with her the way she is, just want to know the exact differences between the two models..
Z
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Are you buying one ?, or building a database ?
rofl!!!! :grin:
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Don't take this the wrong way, but is there a purpose to this ?
I can understand why you'd want a good idea of the main mechanical differences if you intend to tune, but whether the mats have got red stiching or not :confused:
A few weeks ago I was looking at the differences - but because I want to tune, So I sold my Gti and bought an ED30. Didn't cost the earth to upgrade and now I have a more insurance friendly route to big power. A new exhuast and a remap sounds better than ''I've changed loads of stuff on my car, including fitting a bigger turbo, to mimik an Ed30''. My insurance Co charged me no extra to trade up to the ED30 either (well £1.05 admin charge :grin:)
:happy2:
Thanks, I can see where your coming from, but if you don't have anything constructive to say why bother hi-jacking someone's thread.
Don't want to change my GTi... happy with her the way she is, just want to know the exact differences between the two models..
Z
FFS Hi-jacking your thread, have a word with yourself....... here's something constructive, come to superchips and you can compare my ED30 to your GTI for as long as you like :rolleye:
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Excellent, now we're getting somewhere;
So the ED30 has different;
Engine:
Pistons
Rods
Compression ratio
Cylinder head
Turbo (Ko4 Turbo )
Body:
All the lower skirts / bumpers are colour coded
Side skirts - Colour coded (shape different ?)
Front Bumper ? (what's the difference here (extra lip) ?)
Front splitter - bigger
Rear Bumper - Colour coded (is shape different?)
Rear lights - darkened (Otherwise identical lighting arrangement?)
Side stripes ? Is there any difference ?
Wheels;
18" Pescaras are standard
Interior;
Seats - Part leather heated seats (red stitching?)
Gear knob - Differences ?
Limited edition with unique build number on plaque
Mats - red stitching
Wheel - red stitching
Please confirm ??'s and add and confirmed differences.
Z
In answer to your question:
Engine: (I don't know about the engine there is debate on this, but consensus says that the following is different to the GTI)
Pistons
Rods
Compression ratio
Cylinder head
Turbo (K04 Turbo )
DV relocated
Body:
All the lower skirts / bumpers are colour coded
Side skirts - Colour coded (shape same)
Front Bumper ? same.
Front splitter - lower valance is slightly different
Rear Bumper - Fully Colour coded with different rear valance to GTI
Rear lights - darkened (same as R32) otherwise identical to GTI
Side stripes ? same as GTI
Wheels;
18" Pescaras are standard (for UK market)
18" Monza II in black with polished rim (for Mainland Europe Market)
Interior;
Seats - Part leather heated seats with red stitching and interlagos (tartan style trim) + electric lumbar support.
Gear knob - red stitching (and has golf ball motif)
Limited edition with unique build number on plaque (if requested from VW)
Mats - red stitching
Wheel - red stitching
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Not getting this;
If the edition30 engine is identical to the GTi apart from the turbo, surley the GTi has the same tunability once you install the bigger turbo ?
Right ???
and miltek do a 3" and 2.5" DP but what is the dia of the oem unit ?
From golfmkv.com forum, ED30 Engine =S3 engine, except for dv location in left drive cars
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29117
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why bother hi-jacking someone's thread.
That ain't no hi-jack.
This is a hi-jack!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg16.imageshack.us%2Fimg16%2F3962%2Fhijackedthread.gif&hash=cb3956c81d73c3ba5c6d945db724ba98a77b7979)
Speaking of hijacks, did anyone else hear about that missing plane?
An Air France plane was supposed to be returning to France. Went missing.
Some people think it's a hijack.
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why bother hi-jacking someone's thread.
That ain't no hi-jack.
This is a hi-jack!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg16.imageshack.us%2Fimg16%2F3962%2Fhijackedthread.gif&hash=cb3956c81d73c3ba5c6d945db724ba98a77b7979)
Speaking of hijacks, did anyone else hear about that missing plane?
An Air France plane was supposed to be returning to France. Went missing.
Some people think it's a hijack.
^^^^^^^ :signLOL:^^^^^^^^
As for the Air France plane. Jeeze I hope not. It all sounds a bit dodgy though. :sad1:
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Not getting this;
If the edition30 engine is identical to the GTi apart from the turbo, surley the GTi has the same tunability once you install the bigger turbo ?
Right ???
and miltek do a 3" and 2.5" DP but what is the dia of the oem unit ?
From golfmkv.com forum, ED30 Engine =S3 engine, except for dv location in left drive cars
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29117
Not quite true. Whilst the Ed30 and S3 share the same uprated block and rods, the S3 has much stronger pistons, and more agressive cams - and it is the S3s pistons which are key to it being tunable to 400+ bhp
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Not getting this;
If the edition30 engine is identical to the GTi apart from the turbo, surley the GTi has the same tunability once you install the bigger turbo ?
Right ???
and miltek do a 3" and 2.5" DP but what is the dia of the oem unit ?
From golfmkv.com forum, ED30 Engine =S3 engine, except for dv location in left drive cars
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29117
Not quite true. Whilst the Ed30 and S3 share the same uprated block and rods, the S3 has much stronger pistons, and more agressive cams - and it is the S3s pistons which are key to it being tunable to 400+ bhp
What are differences in duration on the cams?
Cams on an normally aspirated car usually give the output higher up and give a slightly higher output. Didn't think they made a huge difference generally on turbo cars.
I used to run split duration 276/268 Schricks on my old valver then went to 304 schricks. The power is shifted and increased but you don't get 20-30 bhp increases.
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I stand corrected then :happy2:
I'll never be to old to learn new things :wink:
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A slight bump to the thread but I found this link quite useful when comparing the different engines: http://www.my-gti.com/546/differences-between-vw-golf-edition-30-vw-golf-pirelli-audi-s3-and-seat-leon-cupra-r-engines
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From a manufacturing point of view it just makes you wonder why they would change the gudgeon pin for one GTi engine and not the other, I mean what must be the cost implications - pennies. It does make you wonder whether VW are building these things with longevityy in mind or aftermarket tuners!