MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: h4rdy on July 11, 2012, 01:40:36 am
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So I bought these because:
1-They came second in the EVO Mag test.
2-A few people on here rated them.
3-A reasonable price from Camskill.
4-I needed new tyres!
So I changed from Falken FK452 which a lot of people don't like but I never had an issue, maybe I don't drive fast enough :driver:
My issues are they seem very 'flighty'?! For example if I put my foot down to overtake from say 40mph I get a lot of torque steer that I never used to get with the Falken.
Also if accelerating hard from a junction it can get quite scary again with the flighty feeling.
This has also happened on the Motorway at say 50/60mph accelerating to 70mph hard.
There is a lot more grip when driving enthusiastically with a little more progression and less aggression but sometimes, especially when overtaking aggression is necessary and this is where they fall down.
What does everybody else think who own them? RR you have them don't you and I know you rate them but have you experienced any of the above?
Is anybody running the Hankook or Conti that also did well in the EVO test?
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I upgraded from Dunlop Sportmaxx and these are in another league :notworthy:
They have fantastic grip on the straights as well as the twistys, wet is nearly as good as dry now :grin:
I'd suggest getting your alignment done if your having problems like that, I don't get any torque steer at all (Stg1 GTI) and it handles the power brilliantly
Gray
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If you've come from FK452s then I'd say the 'flightly' feeling you are now experiencing is a phenomena known as 'grip'... :wink:
I'd have a guess that you are now feeling the effects of the new tyres searching for and finding traction in situations whereas the falkens didn't before? My track tyres do the same in comparison to my daily PS3s and it almost gives the sensation you get when driving a car with an LSD as the steering tugs and pulls about a little more when you get on the power,
Either that or you might have 50psi in your tyres..? :grin:
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Can't fault the Conti Sport 3 on my ED30.
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How did the conti sport contact5's do, cs theyve been superb so far...
How many miles have you done on the assys?
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Went from Dunlop Sport Maxx, which were on the car when I bought it, to the F1's and (so far) am very happy with them, seem to have much more grip and wear (if any) is even as well. :happy2:
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GY F1v2..... Brilliant tyre. Loads and loads of grip.
How long have your tyres been on? How many miles?
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I have the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 tires for about 4 months now. The tires I had before were the GoodYear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 1 so I can only compare these models.
1. Comfort: The mk2, much more comfortable than mk1. Anyone how has tested these tires (I have 4 such friends) say that mk2 is much more comfortable than their previous tires (mk1 or Michelin Pilot or Falken)
2. Steering response and side wall. The sidewall is not as stiff on mk2 as it is on mk1. This means that the steering response is worse on mk2 over mk1. The overall handling of the car is worse on mk2 than on mk1 (both my opinion and a friends opinion).
3. Behavior in the wet. Goodyear say that mk2 is better than mk1 but I did not have the chance to test this. I tested mk1 in the wet and it was incredible. So I expect mk2 to be at least the same
4. I even had the chance to test the mk2 in the snow (it snowed in April in Romania and I had the summer tires on). I have to say I was very, very surprised of the mk2 behavior on snow. I had lots of traction and I managed to get past a few hills with 5-10cm of snow (virgin snow) with a 10-15% incline. I know that snow traction is not important on a summer tire but I had to tell you this aspect :).
So:
- I think the mk2 GY Eagle F1 Asymmetric is a very good all rounder
- the mk1 GY Eagle F1 Asymmetric seems to be better for fast road then the mk2 (a friend who has both agrees with this).
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I currently have the Goodyears up front with some Conti 3's on the rear. They were moved to the rear as I didn't like the feel/feedback that they DIDN'T give.
The Goodyears do have soft(er) sidewalls, but I wouldn't say thats a bad thing as I found the mk1's a bit crashy. In the wet they provide plenty of feedback and grip, also letting you know when pushing a little too hard.
If I could find them I'd go back to Bridgestone S-02's, much better for my driving style yours might be different.
Fish
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GY F1v2..... Brilliant tyre. Loads and loads of grip.
This :happy2:
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S001 's are amazing.....why else would they put them as standard on a Ferrari 458
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I agree the sidewall is slightly softer, but what you lose in that turn-in feel, you gain in communication feedback. I know exactly what's happening under me at all times.
Mine has done many track days, so I'm not just talking as a road user. I'd rate them as a very, very close runner up to PS2s and certainly better than the MKI. Seems everyone in the motoring press agrees they're pretty damn good too.
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My issues are they seem very 'flighty'?! For example if I put my foot down to overtake from say 40mph I get a lot of torque steer that I never used to get with the Falken.
Also if accelerating hard from a junction it can get quite scary again with the flighty feeling.
This has also happened on the Motorway at say 50/60mph accelerating to 70mph hard.
There is a lot more grip when driving enthusiastically with a little more progression and less aggression but sometimes, especially when overtaking aggression is necessary and this is where they fall down.
What does everybody else think who own them? RR you have them don't you and I know you rate them but have you experienced any of the above?
....I found the F1 Asymm 1's excellent in all conditions (snow excluded). I currently only have Asymm 2's on the rear axle until the Dunlop Sport Maxx's on the front wear out, then I'll buy a new pair of F1 Asymm 2's and have them all round.
I have experienced that 'flighty' ride but I think the ESP etc was just seeking grip and probably helped, as already said, by the Quaife diff. Since fitting the UNIbrace UB chassis stiffener I haven't experienced anything 'flighty' so far but we'll see.
As also with extremely hard braking, any squirmy, snakey, flighty feedback is off-putting at first but it's all part of what happens when you drive hard. I always do my utmost to accelerate smoothly so I can eliminate wheelspin or loss of grip if possible. If you are focussed on far enough ahead you can more accurately anticipate and shouldn't need to suddenly or abruptly boot it hard.
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You're probably ahead of me, but just in case -
there's lubricant on the tyres for around the first 50 miles (to help separate them from their moulds during production).
the tyre shop's airline is as accurate as my wife's parking.
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Agreed. Pressures possibly all to cock and probably need scrubbing in.
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When i got mine put on the back did feel a bit loose... but i put that down to the fact that i was replacing Contin SC2 that had done 30k, so were really well scrubbed :signLOL:
Now mine are fully scrubbed in and are wearing perfectly... no 50p inside edges or funny noises at certain speeds.... just great grip, and like Mike says... great feedback. Just wish i had the wedge to get a B12 kit on my car, as I don think Im using the tyres to their potential.
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Not even the grip of F1 Asymmetric 2's are gonna stop you from sliding down that slippery slope, Rich! :evilgrin:
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They dont need to.. I have already stopped myself :happy2:
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I went from PS2 tyres all round to F1v2 on the back. Softer side wall and reduced feedback. Had them for ~500 miles. Need to adapt to them which will take a bit of time and I'll be able to give a better review once the fronts are F1v2 as well.
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Don't forget any brand new tyres tend to wobble on the blocks for a while compared to your old ones. Oh, I do tend to run them 2PSI higher than the last tyres too.
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Im running them at 34PSI. Worth giving them a few extra PSI?
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I ran them at 37psi and was skidding all over the place. Seems more stable at 35psi. Plan to drop down to 33 and see what happens this weekend.
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I'm currently running mine at 2.4 bar (~35 psi) Nitrogen.
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To the OP, when I put the Assy's on my GTI they really needed scrubbing in before they returned the performance that I was expecting. Give them a couple hundred more miles and I'm sure what you're feeling will have gone!
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Cheers everybody I think ill get the tracking done and check the pressure to 35psi.
I havr probably driven a thousand miles with them si safely scrubbed.
I also have my B14's on now so should be good setup along with my Polybush and Mounts.
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Cheers everybody I think ill get the tracking done and check the pressure to 35psi.
I also have my B14's on now so should be good setup along with my Polybush and Mounts.
....Definitely a good idea to get tracking/alignment done after bushes etc.
You are going to enjoy your setup! :happy2:
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Had it all on there ages Robin and its a great setup maybe thats why the Falken worked well.
Alex at Aks did the tracking so ill get hin to do it again.
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Just had 4 of these fitted to mine - in a 4 mile test drive I can already confirm these are a vast improvement over the Primewell tyres it came to me with - no suprises there then. So much quieter, smoother and give much more confidence in the bends. Finally I can drive my GTI like its meant to be driven :driver: once their scrubbed in.
Im running these at the 2.6 bar(approx 38psi) that the fuel cap says - is the general opinion that this is too high?
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Im running these at the 2.6 bar(approx 38psi) that the fuel cap says - is the general opinion that this is too high?
....My fuel cap label states 2.6 bar for fully loaded people plus luggage and 2.4 bar for normal. But it will be for its original OEM 2005 Continentals.
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Its been a good discussion this.
Thanks guys.
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Im running these at the 2.6 bar(approx 38psi) that the fuel cap says - is the general opinion that this is too high?
....My fuel cap label states 2.6 bar for fully loaded people plus luggage and 2.4 bar for normal. But it will be for its original OEM 2005 Continentals.
Shouldnt really matter about the tyre brand... so long as you fit the same size tyre i.e 225 40 18 then the recommend pressure (for the average user) should be the same.
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I use 38psi all round on my Goodyear F1 Assymetrics...
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Popping up an old thread here but I just wanted to share similar experiences with my Eagle F1 Assy 2's..
So I recently got them fitted in 225/40R18 size at the same time with a B12 Sportline suspension on my mk5 GTI. First impression was that all the sharpness was gone from the steering as was the planted feel my GTI used to have (with Conti CSC3). This made me scratch my head for a while - perhaps there was something wrong the fitting and alignment of my new suspension? I took the car back to the garage where they checked everything and also did a realignment for me. None of this helped.. I'll add that I also tried playing with tyre pressures from 2.5 bar all the way to 3.0 bar. The feeling remained essentially the same except for all comfort being gone at 3.0 bar pressures.
I also chose this tyre based on a couple of tests where it would beat the Michelins and Continentals as well as the many positive comments on this forum. I should've done some more research earlier as I tried searching for issues what would cause this sloppy, wobbly, excessively yawing feeling on my car. It's the rear axle that feels really unplanted at higher speeds especially if you try the F1 style tyre warming up maneuver by flicking your steering wheel from right to left. The rear of my GTI now has this laggy yawing/swaying effect which I really hate. Also my car and especially the rear is now constantly moving sideways at motorway speeds if there is even the slightest of side wind.
Apparently despite the test results this is how the Assy2 tyre is - all soft and wobbly with no feel as I found out from quite a few other forum users' experiences. I do like the comfort and noise levels but I was primarily buying a performance tyre for my GTI when I chose the Assy2 and I have to say I'm quite disappointed with them. A performance tyre should make your car feel planted and secure. I don't really care if these tyres have more grip than the competitors if they give you this unplanted feel when I'm afraid to even try and take the tyres to their limits. You know what I mean?
I currently have about 300-400 miles on them. I really hope they start to feel better (or me getting used to the lack of feel) once I get some more miles in them.. The funny thing is my car felt absolutely spot on with standard suspension and my previous CSC3 tyres. Now that I spent a whole bunch of euros on my chassis and tyres (Eibach Sportlines, Bilstein B8 shocks, new front control arm bushes, new rear ARB dog bones and new Assy2's) it is actually a lot worse handling-wise. Do love the stance on the Sportlines though. :)
Also wanted to ask which tyres would you recommend for road use but with a more direct steering response and a more planted feel? I found the Conti CSC3 absolutely spot on in terms of balance between sidewall softness (ie. comfort) and steering feel/grip. Of course the Conti's wear awfully quickly. I have yet to try the Michelin PS3's - perhaps they'd offer something between the Conti's and Goodyears? I am really wondering why do people think this tyre (the Assy2) is so good..?
Best regards,
Lauri from Finland
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You really need to give them time too scrub in.
All new tyres have a type of resin/wax left on the tyre once it comes out of the mould from the production line
I had similar concerns when i first fitted these, put another few miles on them and imo you will start to notice the grip
HTH :happy2:
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I prefer the Michelin PS3 for daily driving as they gave excellent feedback from new. The flighty feeling you are getting could be the rear end is too stiff on the coil overs and bouncing around a bit rather than slightly rolling with the oe style springs and dampers.
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Popping up an old thread here but I just wanted to share similar experiences with my Eagle F1 Assy 2's..
So I recently got them fitted in 225/40R18 size at the same time with a B12 Sportline suspension on my mk5 GTI. First impression was that all the sharpness was gone from the steering as was the planted feel my GTI used to have (with Conti CSC3). This made me scratch my head for a while - perhaps there was something wrong the fitting and alignment of my new suspension? I took the car back to the garage where they checked everything and also did a realignment for me. None of this helped.. I'll add that I also tried playing with tyre pressures from 2.5 bar all the way to 3.0 bar. The feeling remained essentially the same except for all comfort being gone at 3.0 bar pressures.
I also chose this tyre based on a couple of tests where it would beat the Michelins and Continentals as well as the many positive comments on this forum. I should've done some more research earlier as I tried searching for issues what would cause this sloppy, wobbly, excessively yawing feeling on my car. It's the rear axle that feels really unplanted at higher speeds especially if you try the F1 style tyre warming up maneuver by flicking your steering wheel from right to left. The rear of my GTI now has this laggy yawing/swaying effect which I really hate. Also my car and especially the rear is now constantly moving sideways at motorway speeds if there is even the slightest of side wind.
Apparently despite the test results this is how the Assy2 tyre is - all soft and wobbly with no feel as I found out from quite a few other forum users' experiences. I do like the comfort and noise levels but I was primarily buying a performance tyre for my GTI when I chose the Assy2 and I have to say I'm quite disappointed with them. A performance tyre should make your car feel planted and secure. I don't really care if these tyres have more grip than the competitors if they give you this unplanted feel when I'm afraid to even try and take the tyres to their limits. You know what I mean?
I currently have about 300-400 miles on them. I really hope they start to feel better (or me getting used to the lack of feel) once I get some more miles in them.. The funny thing is my car felt absolutely spot on with standard suspension and my previous CSC3 tyres. Now that I spent a whole bunch of euros on my chassis and tyres (Eibach Sportlines, Bilstein B8 shocks, new front control arm bushes, new rear ARB dog bones and new Assy2's) it is actually a lot worse handling-wise. Do love the stance on the Sportlines though. :)
Also wanted to ask which tyres would you recommend for road use but with a more direct steering response and a more planted feel? I found the Conti CSC3 absolutely spot on in terms of balance between sidewall softness (ie. comfort) and steering feel/grip. Of course the Conti's wear awfully quickly. I have yet to try the Michelin PS3's - perhaps they'd offer something between the Conti's and Goodyears? I am really wondering why do people think this tyre (the Assy2) is so good..?
Best regards,
Lauri from Finland
Dare I say it but I reckon it's the eibach springs making you feel this way. ( flame suit on) I ditched my eibachs because they felt absolutely terrible. I put the standard suspension back in and the handling sharpness returned. My previous edition 30 was exactly the same , it handled superb on standard stuff then equally as good into better on h&r,s and whiteline anti-lift kit.
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Dare I say it but I reckon it's the eibach springs making you feel this way. ( flame suit on) I ditched my eibachs because they felt absolutely terrible. I put the standard suspension back in and the handling sharpness returned. My previous edition 30 was exactly the same , it handled superb on standard stuff then equally as good into better on h&r,s and whiteline anti-lift kit.
This is a good point. But it is weird why would sports springs (that are harder than the standard ones) make the car less sharp? I also thought about this but then again so many people praise the B12 kit with Eibachs while I found quite a few comments about the Goodyears giving an unplanted feel to the car. This reminds me of not doing 2 upgrades at the same time.. I'll add that the new suspension does do this little rocking movement, more so than the standard suspension did, when you come to a halt (the same kind a Lincoln town car would do when it stops, only much less). It's the wrong thread to be asking this but has anyone else experienced anything similar?
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I prefer the Michelin PS3 for daily driving as they gave excellent feedback from new. The flighty feeling you are getting could be the rear end is too stiff on the coil overs and bouncing around a bit rather than slightly rolling with the oe style springs and dampers.
+2...Michelin supersports for daily driving..excellent feedback & grip from new :happy2:
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Popping up an old thread here but I just wanted to share similar experiences with my Eagle F1 Assy 2's..
So I recently got them fitted in 225/40R18 size at the same time with a B12 Sportline suspension on my mk5 GTI. First impression was that all the sharpness was gone from the steering as was the planted feel my GTI used to have (with Conti CSC3). This made me scratch my head for a while - perhaps there was something wrong the fitting and alignment of my new suspension? I took the car back to the garage where they checked everything and also did a realignment for me. None of this helped.. I'll add that I also tried playing with tyre pressures from 2.5 bar all the way to 3.0 bar. The feeling remained essentially the same except for all comfort being gone at 3.0 bar pressures.
I also chose this tyre based on a couple of tests where it would beat the Michelins and Continentals as well as the many positive comments on this forum. I should've done some more research earlier as I tried searching for issues what would cause this sloppy, wobbly, excessively yawing feeling on my car. It's the rear axle that feels really unplanted at higher speeds especially if you try the F1 style tyre warming up maneuver by flicking your steering wheel from right to left. The rear of my GTI now has this laggy yawing/swaying effect which I really hate. Also my car and especially the rear is now constantly moving sideways at motorway speeds if there is even the slightest of side wind.
Apparently despite the test results this is how the Assy2 tyre is - all soft and wobbly with no feel as I found out from quite a few other forum users' experiences. I do like the comfort and noise levels but I was primarily buying a performance tyre for my GTI when I chose the Assy2 and I have to say I'm quite disappointed with them. A performance tyre should make your car feel planted and secure. I don't really care if these tyres have more grip than the competitors if they give you this unplanted feel when I'm afraid to even try and take the tyres to their limits. You know what I mean?
I currently have about 300-400 miles on them. I really hope they start to feel better (or me getting used to the lack of feel) once I get some more miles in them.. The funny thing is my car felt absolutely spot on with standard suspension and my previous CSC3 tyres. Now that I spent a whole bunch of euros on my chassis and tyres (Eibach Sportlines, Bilstein B8 shocks, new front control arm bushes, new rear ARB dog bones and new Assy2's) it is actually a lot worse handling-wise. Do love the stance on the Sportlines though. :)
Also wanted to ask which tyres would you recommend for road use but with a more direct steering response and a more planted feel? I found the Conti CSC3 absolutely spot on in terms of balance between sidewall softness (ie. comfort) and steering feel/grip. Of course the Conti's wear awfully quickly. I have yet to try the Michelin PS3's - perhaps they'd offer something between the Conti's and Goodyears? I am really wondering why do people think this tyre (the Assy2) is so good..?
Best regards,
Lauri from Finland
Just a thought. Did you fit XL rated tyres? I remember reading a post over at Seatcupra.net describing a similar thing and it turned out the tyres fitted weren't XL rated so had a softer sidewall. I had the GY Assy 2's on my Leon and also have them on my R32 and they're great. Can't really fault them to be honest.
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I can associate with the softer feeling to these tyres and then realised I'd not specified the XL versions so that's likely to be the reason
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i love them
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Just a thought. Did you fit XL rated tyres? I remember reading a post over at Seatcupra.net describing a similar thing and it turned out the tyres fitted weren't XL rated so had a softer sidewall. I had the GY Assy 2's on my Leon and also have them on my R32 and they're great. Can't really fault them to be honest.
Yeah I have the 92Y XL ones fitted. I took my GTI out for a spin through some twisties yesterday and I can report the grip on these tyres more than good enough. Trouble is I don't get any feel through the steering nor the chassis on the initial turn-in or when I really lean on them mid-corner. On the other hand they really do roll smoothly and comfortably compared to my previous tyres. I am currently running at approx 40-41 psi front and 37-38 psi rear pressures (cold tyres).
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Just a thought. Did you fit XL rated tyres? I remember reading a post over at Seatcupra.net describing a similar thing and it turned out the tyres fitted weren't XL rated so had a softer sidewall. I had the GY Assy 2's on my Leon and also have them on my R32 and they're great. Can't really fault them to be honest.
Yeah I have the 92Y XL ones fitted. I took my GTI out for a spin through some twisties yesterday and I can report the grip on these tyres more than good enough. Trouble is I don't get any feel through the steering nor the chassis on the initial turn-in or when I really lean on them mid-corner. On the other hand they really do roll smoothly and comfortably compared to my previous tyres. I am currently running at approx 40-41 psi front and 37-38 psi rear pressures (cold tyres).
40 psi?! You know the recomeded is 30 psi. Running around with high psi like that is not only I'll advised, but would probably be the reason you get little feedback through the wheel.
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If anything running at 30 psi will feel like driving a water mattress around. I don't think 30 psi can be the recommended pressure for 225/40R18 tyres, can it? What kind of pressures do you guys run with your Assy2's?
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36-38 psi cold is recommended for 225/40/18 on an xl tyre for a mk5 gti. I've found they drive horrible if under pressure and over pressure would be worse when hot.
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Running at 40 psi cold will be near 46-47 psi when hot and you will be driving on the centres of the tyre and less rubber on the tarmac, hence less grip and turn in feel. 36psi is more than enough in the tyre for the weight of the car. The point of xl tyres is so you need less pressure rather than more. Id reduce the pressures in your tyres and the grip will increase as you have more tyre touching the tarmac.
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If anything running at 30 psi will feel like driving a water mattress around. I don't think 30 psi can be the recommended pressure for 225/40R18 tyres, can it? What kind of pressures do you guys run with your Assy2's?
My old Octavia VRS mk2 recommended pressures were 29 front and 31 rear on 225 40 r18s. Never had an issue at those pressures and the car handled brilliantly.