Good review Robin. To clarify...is this just a much better version of the Powerflex / ECS Dogbone inserts that cost about £25??
Completely different angle of approach compared to the VF/BSH kit. Looks amazing. You have to drop the subframe to fit it??
The OEM arm has a voided bush and I could easily bend the arm at this joint, such was the compliance.. but, it completely depends on how load is transferred down the arm, it may not make that much of a difference?
By comparison, the VF/BSH kit still retains the big rubber bush VWR replace, albiet filled with an insert which is far from ideal, so swings and round-a-bouts. I guess there has to be compliance somewhere, otherwise you may as well just have the race bush, I dare say you could combine the two???
The bar that runs from the mount to engine also has a bush, for which the BSH replacement kit helps.
BSH Billet Pendelum Mount (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16974&cat=503&page=1)
do VWR feel this is not needed with an uprated bottom mount??
The bar that runs from the mount to engine also has a bush, for which the BSH replacement kit helps.
Do VWR feel this is not needed with an uprated bottom mount??
Yup, the middle part of the dogbone is still a potential weak point at that bushing as some shear off completely.
Sounds like its working well, has it passed the acid test for wheel hop??
Also, a full set of mounts are needed less on a DSG car as a Manual puts through stronger physical stresses/forces.
Also, a full set of mounts are needed less on a DSG car as a Manual puts through stronger physical stresses/forces.
Don't agree with that in the slightest. When the clutch is fully engaged, be that in a manual or in the DSG, the torque reaction will be identical.
Also, a full set of mounts are needed less on a DSG car as a Manual puts through stronger physical stresses/forces.
Don't agree with that in the slightest. When the clutch is fully engaged, be that in a manual or in the DSG, the torque reaction will be identical.
....Let me re-word it for you: The actions of the clutch on the DSG are controlled to be smooth, the actions of a human driver banging out the clutch (in extremis) is not controlled to be smooth and hence less stressful.
That's what I understand from what I've been told.
So a manual shift driver dumps the clutch on every gear change????? :stupid:
And a DSG is NEVER used for rapid launches???? :stupid:
I'll state again - a manual clutch and a DSG will be IDENTICAL in their torque reaction!
had the vwr fast road dogbone mount fitted in the scirocco last week and got to say really pleased with the results given the vibration is minimal but the end result gets a big thumbs up, anyone worried thinking it may be full on don't worry :happy2:
NoThanks :drinking:
yin, under hard acceleration its a vast improvement, yes esp can flick on but it just sorts itself out, its an ideal compromise for me given cars usage, drove the car stock last week and lack of power was offset by how well it behaved, SteveP has been in it and Deacon from here, unfortunately the benefits are lost on most roc owners who just want an awsome car :wink:
Had the full race versions installed today :laugh: god they growl :evilgrin:
we need to compare road ones to race ones i think at some point :happy2:
Get a room you pair....... :grin:
Get a room you pair....... :grin:
....But we are sworn rivals! Milltek Fanboy vs Blueflame Fanboy! :evilgrin:
Yeah yeah - now one of you distract them and the other get me a fast road lower mount. Quick!
I have a nice exhaust to listen to, I don't want it drowning out with that solid GRRRRRRR crap! :wink:
I have a nice exhaust to listen to, I don't want it drowning out with that solid GRRRRRRR crap! :wink:
trust me you can still hear the exhaust it just sounds so nice
I've had solid mounts before on MKIIs and more recently my MKIV. When I was working in Manchester, crawling back and forth in the rush hour traffic they made me want to burn it.
I think I need a tester to see how it'd feel on the MKV.
I know the MKV is a different set up, so will hopefully get a go in someone's - I'm not spending that money + fitting to find it annoys me... although I'm sure it wouldn't.
Holmes Chapel, off J18 M6.
Cool - obviously don't go out of your way, but thanks.
I'm at Rockingham on the 6th of March next :happy2:
Get a room you pair! :grin:
Get a room you pair! :grin:
join in if you like :laugh:
but u look so cute in the vw driver mag looking at those huffs :laugh:
:signLOL: :signLOL: how cute did u 2 look :signLOL:but u look so cute in the vw driver mag looking at those huffs :laugh:
Oh you saw that then? :laugh: :ashamed:
Cool - obviously don't go out of your way, but thanks.
I'm at Rockingham on the 6th of March next :happy2:
gives me chance to give the brakes some stick and maybe try some race pads in them :smiley:
Get a room you pair! :grin:
I know the MKV is a different set up, so will hopefully get a go in someone's - I'm not spending that money + fitting to find it annoys me... although I'm sure it wouldn't.
....Quality Dave (aka stokeballoon) fitted BSH mounts and found he didn't like the ride, I recall. He highly rated the product but it wasn't for him so he removed them I think.
The Golf (IMO) is a jack of all trades, happy as a fast A-B car, as in a car park full of high end motors, the Grrrrrr sound that you seem to love, ruined the car in my eyes.
Seriously, after a long drive I felt ill, the Cabin comfort was so compromised. I cannot imagine doing any kind of serious mileage with them. It reminded me of test flying a badly vibrating Helicopter. I am happy with my OEM upper mounts allied with a uprated lower mount.
The GRRRRR sound is totally alien to a Golf Gti, as is the much complained about Drone that some exhausts are prone to.
Just my opinion, having fitted some mounts. And it is all in my Open and honest review.
The Golf (IMO) is a jack of all trades, happy as a fast A-B car, as in a car park full of high end motors, the Grrrrrr sound that you seem to love, ruined the car in my eyes.
Seriously, after a long drive I felt ill, the Cabin comfort was so compromised. I cannot imagine doing any kind of serious mileage with them. It reminded me of test flying a badly vibrating Helicopter. I am happy with my OEM upper mounts allied with a uprated lower mount.
The GRRRRR sound is totally alien to a Golf Gti, as is the much complained about Drone that some exhausts are prone to.
Just my opinion, having fitted some mounts. And it is all in my Open and honest review.
....Absolutely understood, Dave, and also respected :drinking: - We all have different preferences and views about what our GTI's should be. My preference is more akin to Mat's.
You've said you didn't like the Grrrrr but you also mention vibration (helicopter comparison) - Did you experience much vibration as well when you had the BSH mounts installed?
I'm curious and not expecting the VWR and BSH mounts to differ very much from each other regarding either Grrrr or vibration.
The vibration (sound - is a vibe) was (Swear word is appropriate here) awful, really noticeable, akin to the drone of a poor exhaust, it would fill the cabin with an awful feeling. Not for me. I hated driving the car.
As soon as I refitted the std mounts back, it was bliss, and so much better. My car is not a track car, it has lights, a radio and number-plates, and as such needs to be a jack of all trades.
Many years ago, I had a 205 Gti (1.9 variant) and fitted a full Magnex exhaust to it, it absolutely flew, but the noise became tiring (as anything that is above one's comfort threshold will become). I also had a Black lab, he hated the noise, so much so he was physically sick after 1/2 hour in the car (*not my driving) the noise had got to him.
If you car is a track orientated car, why not remove all carpets, and accentuate the Grrrrrr sound even more - genuine question.
IMHO.
Oh dear! :ashamed::signLOL: :signLOL: how cute did u 2 look :signLOL:but u look so cute in the vw driver mag looking at those huffs :laugh:
Oh you saw that then? :laugh: :ashamed:
Thanks , I take it this mount can be used on Dsg aswell as manual also? Cheers.
....I'm expecting to be up at VWR on Tuesday having my S3 rear brakes fitted,
80k mile service and my carbon bonnet cut into.
Thread hijack alert . . . . :ashamed:....I'm expecting to be up at VWR on Tuesday having my S3 rear brakes fitted,
So . . . . my previous advice was correct! :P Take it the DS2500s on the rears gave no real improvement to the 'twitchy' rear end?
its 100% pressed in
had the neuspeed rubber insert in my last, rather go for the proper thing now!
Not sure on the engine mounts, may try without first!!
SteveS, if you already have a poly insert in your OEM lower rear mount, then swapping for the Vibratechniks / VWR lower rear mount will have a very slight, and hardly noticeable effect on noise in the cabin.
And if you have a problem call vwr and discuss it with them :popcornsoda:
And if you have a problem call vwr and discuss it with them :popcornsoda:
....Hear! Hear! :congrats:
And I wonder what kind of aftersales service you get if buying from Vibra-Techniques. Who are they? Google throws up a company specialising in vibrators :laugh:
How can you say that Tc when you and I both know they did things for u and others cheaper than anyone else :confused: so why slate em so what if they cost more ask if they could do you a deal on them :popcornsoda:
^^^^
Fair enough, TC, but I don't think that either Mat or myself are "blind mice" but rather that we've had nothing but good experiences of VWR, hence why we share our experiences too.
Glad to see you've calmed down from your unnecessary 'shouting' in your Reply #94, even if you do feel strongly about it. :happy2:
lgosh, you guys putting me off paying out now!! lol.
same product? are vwr mounts the exact same product as another brand or we just saying that for the argument sake?
Tc you know I do most of my own stuff on cars and I would take my car to others but the 2 times I have it's come back fooked and with cross threaded bolts :fighting: and just poor workmanship. I would and do trust awesome Gti with my car as they have done a few bits on it so blind no just know who I want working on my car and trust with it so it's that simple and as for the price of these mounts if you don't like the price don't buy them simple buy something else
^^^^
Fair enough, TC, but I don't think that either Mat or myself are "blind mice" but rather that we've had nothing but good experiences of VWR, hence why we share our experiences too.
Glad to see you've calmed down from your unnecessary 'shouting' in your Reply #94, even if you do feel strongly about it. :happy2:
Tc you know I do most of my own stuff on cars and I would take my car to others but the 2 times I have it's come back fooked and with cross threaded bolts :fighting: and just poor workmanship. I would and do trust awesome Gti with my car as they have done a few bits on it so blind no just know who I want working on my car and trust with it so it's that simple and as for the price of these mounts if you don't like the price don't buy them simple buy something else
And if you have a problem call vwr and discuss it with them :popcornsoda:
....Hear! Hear! :congrats:
And I wonder what kind of aftersales service you get if buying from Vibra-Techniques. Who are they? Google throws up a company specialising in vibrators :laugh:
.Robin, this isn't about 'workmanship'. This is simply about supplying a part - nothing more, nothing less. This particular part was available through a variety of sources - and then VWR MANOPOLISED the supply, and virtually doubled the price. This kind of behaviour wouldn't be allowed at say Germany or France (actually, if they were to do sommat like this in France - their place would get torched).
Some people have had experiences of VWR which they don't like and others (such as myself and Mat and many others) have had nothing but good experiences. You can apply that to every single company which exists. It's very simple: If you don't like or approve of a company then either challenge them directly and not by sniping at them whilst hiding in an internet forum, or don't use them and instead use the companies you favour.
Just as VWR did with their 'unique' "VWR Quaife" diff . . . :stupid: Remember all the grief I took when I uncovered that one? :sad1: Thankfully, I only had to deal with just one fan-boy then! :booty:lgosh, you guys putting me off paying out now!! lol.
same product? are vwr mounts the exact same product as another brand or we just saying that for the argument sake?
The same product appeared on JKM's site for half the price, with a different name. Then they were forced to stop selling them once stock ran out i believe ( could be wrong ).
Steve you should not be put off using them, as i said before, it;s a great experience taking your car there. :happy2:
All i was pointing out was that they over charge big style on a lot of products that just have there name stamped on them.
Exactly - and more importantly, not getting overly defensive if someone says something maybe slightly unpaletable about a particular company.Tc you know I do most of my own stuff on cars and I would take my car to others but the 2 times I have it's come back fooked and with cross threaded bolts :fighting: and just poor workmanship. I would and do trust awesome Gti with my car as they have done a few bits on it so blind no just know who I want working on my car and trust with it so it's that simple and as for the price of these mounts if you don't like the price don't buy them simple buy something else
Mat the whole point of this forum is to help each other out as a community, you yourself have been very helpful to me and other's. part of that community spirit is sharing info which helps us all get the best deal. :drinking:
^^^^But the trouble is, Robin, it is YOUR point of view - or NO-BODIES point of view! You can be quite bloody-minded in forcing your opinions, and oppressing others opinions. :smiley:
That's a very good overview, Dave.
I totally accept and believe people when they say that they have had less than good experiences BUT they need to also accept that others (such as myself for example) have had nothing but good experiences.
As I have said many times before I've had good experiences of VWR and so that's what I report. Others also report their experiences, both good and bad, and hence the forum has a raft of reports from which they can make up their own minds.This thread is NOT about 'service'. It IS about (a) is the product in question any good?, (b) where can I get it from?, and (c) how much is it?
I believe that you can buy this mount from any vibratechnics dealer now. The vt website now states a price and has removed the text stating you have to buy from racingline.
So the title should possibly be renamed?
Wtf move on tt times have changed :confused: no one cares but if call Vwr and ask them about the mounts you wil know they asked the company to make the mounts for the mk5 chassis and worked with them in the development of the mounts. But give Vwr a call and talk to themYawn. VWR did not create the spec for the VibraTechnic mount. Like I said, VT have FAR more experience of making mounts than VWR - making mounts is all that VT do.
I mounted a similar VWR mount and I can tell you that the difference is clearly noticeable
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First of all the exhaust has a different sound (it is not only me some other people noticed also). It is sportier and more aggressive.
Than I can tell you I feel that the engine + gearbox are not moving when accelerating or releasing the gas pedal. I like this a lot. The car feels much much better.
The only downside is that at 1500 RPM some engine vibration is transmitted in the cabin (similar to diesel engines at very low RPM) so I have to avoid 1500 RPM.
This is, in my opinion a great mod!
I mounted a similar VWR mount and I can tell you that the difference is clearly noticeable
The only downside is that at 1500 RPM some engine vibration is transmitted in the cabin (similar to diesel engines at very low RPM) so I have to avoid 1500 RPM.
This is, in my opinion a great mod!
Ah the new VWR lower mount that's not made by Vibratechnics. The reason you have the vibration is because its made of polyurethane rather than rubber. I have the Vibratechnics mount and no vibration.I think we can not compare the two behaviors because of the different engines :grin:.
....At first you are going to be on maximum alert (or perhaps I should say red alert!) and will be noticing absolutely everything, and more! It will probably settle down and also you'll get used to the new sounds and feel. Any vibration I feel is hardly noticeable and only there if I touch the steering wheel when the engine has just started and is cold.You are perfectly right. Now I will notice all the pluses and minuses. Later on I will become used to this behavior.
8 years isn't bad at all. The VWR blue ones, or the rubber Vibratechnics?
8 years isn't bad at all. The VWR blue ones, or the rubber Vibratechnics?
....I was expecting more than 8 years as an aftermarket component but do appreciate that VWR are more track orientated and everything gets replaced quite often.
They are the same ones as in my original post in this review thread. So rubber I guess. Are the blue ones poly?
I remember reading your build thread when I first started looking at GTI's, your cars legendary :signLOL: any recent pictures of it?
Car still looks amazing. Doesn't look like it's aged one bit. I love all the little touches of carbon fibre around it, the breaks and alloys are a stunning combo are they 17" or 18" alloys ?
8 years isn't bad at all. The VWR blue ones, or the rubber Vibratechnics?
....I was expecting more than 8 years as an aftermarket component but do appreciate that VWR are more track orientated and everything gets replaced quite often.
They are the same ones as in my original post in this review thread. So rubber I guess. Are the blue ones poly?
Plural. Thread is about just the dogbone mount. So are you saying you have all 3 VWR mounts, and all 3 have failed? No mention of that in this thread, not that I could find amongst all the bickering at least.
Yep, the blue ones are poly and not made by Vibratechnics.
Plural. Thread is about just the dogbone mount. So are you saying you have all 3 VWR mounts, and all 3 have failed? No mention of that in this thread, not that I could find amongst all the bickering at least.
Yep, the blue ones are poly and not made by Vibratechnics.
....My apologies, although I wrote both original review threads it's a few years since I revisited here and I got them mixed up.
Yes, my BHS(?) arm failed and also the 2 VWR engine mounts, not blue poly, failed.
My gearbox stabiliser arm has been replaced with Vibra Technics and the 2 engine mounts with revo.