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Title: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 06:48:43 pm
Went down to statllers and he was doing a few dyno runs so thought i'd join in. Didn't know what to expect really so pleasantly surprised. I still have to fit my cooler as i am only running stock k03 at the mo and still running stock cat-back. Also w/meth to go on at some point. If it eventually makes 360hp i'll be chuffed to bits, oh and went
In steve's loba'd golf, got to say that thing is monumentally quick.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1183.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx463%2Fgazon69%2Fc001e389.jpg&hash=a7967a9e8fc2f4939a755e43b943c00ef7bf016f)
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: bacillus on July 21, 2012, 06:59:19 pm
Went down to statllers and he was doing a few dyno runs so thought i'd join in. Didn't know what to expect really so pleasantly surprised. I still have to fit my cooler as i am only running stock k03 at the mo and still running stock cat-back. Also w/meth to go on at some point. If it eventually makes 360hp i'll be chuffed to bits, oh and went
In steve's loba'd golf, got to say that thing is monumentally quick.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1183.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx463%2Fgazon69%2Fff4dddf3.jpg&hash=c571b0f2834a18f2fdfbe1dfcd130c18f641a7bf)

What has your turbo discharge pipe got to do with the result??   :confused:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 21, 2012, 07:00:47 pm

Copy / paste fail me thinks
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 07:04:26 pm
woops i'll sort that :signLOL:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 07:06:06 pm
There you go mike :happy2:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: bacillus on July 21, 2012, 07:08:48 pm
Who's map are you using as IMO,your torque curve should really be flatter...
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 07:13:39 pm
Giac, reason is it's been backed right off as its the bwa engine and dont fancy forking out for rods just yet. Although they are in the pipeline, we can wind it right up then. Tbh im really happy with how the power comes in as there is no wheelspin what so ever.
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Hurdy on July 21, 2012, 07:48:16 pm
 :happy2:

I did a run today at Statllers too. Not as Impressive as that though Gaz  :smiley:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: chungster on July 21, 2012, 08:01:17 pm
Stock K03, stock cooler, BWA, cat back zorst - 340bhp??

Didnt realise GIAC was that good!

Curious to see your peak torque arriving at a very late 5250 rpm though. Not like a K03 at all  :confused:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Hurdy on July 21, 2012, 08:03:23 pm
Stock K03, stock cooler, BWA, cat back zorst - 340bhp??

Didnt realise GIAC was that good!

Curious to see your peak torque arriving at a very late 5250 rpm though. Not like a K03 at all  :confused:

Read the title Lee :wink:

Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: chungster on July 21, 2012, 08:13:33 pm
Stock K03, stock cooler, BWA, cat back zorst - 340bhp??

Didnt realise GIAC was that good!

Curious to see your peak torque arriving at a very late 5250 rpm though. Not like a K03 at all  :confused:

Read the title Lee :wink:


Ah but his post says running stock K03!!!  :wink:

But otherwise yeah that is impressive, as it was something I considered doing on the old GTI.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 08:43:04 pm
Went down to statllers and he was doing a few dyno runs so thought i'd join in. Didn't know what to expect really so pleasantly surprised. I still have to fit my cooler as i am only running stock k03 at the mo and still running stock cat-back. Also w/meth to go on at some point. If it eventually makes 360hp i'll be chuffed to bits, oh and went
In steve's loba'd golf, got to say that thing is monumentally quick.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1183.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx463%2Fgazon69%2Fc001e389.jpg&hash=a7967a9e8fc2f4939a755e43b943c00ef7bf016f)
Stock k03 cooler
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: chungster on July 21, 2012, 08:45:01 pm
Ah got ya......lol only link k03 to turbos not coolers but got ya!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 08:45:11 pm
:happy2:

I did a run today at Statllers too. Not as Impressive as that though Gaz  :smiley:
Ye i think i just missed you john. I think im gonna wind the actuator back a bit and see how it goes, problem is it goes like a scalded cat off the line at the mo and if i do wind it up it will almost certainly result in wheelspin
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: heavyd on July 21, 2012, 08:50:11 pm
Not bad :happy2:
Anyone happen to spot my broken white ed30 down there :sad1:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 08:51:26 pm
Yep, seen that mate, showed me the problem too :scared:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: bacillus on July 21, 2012, 08:56:17 pm
Yep, seen that mate, showed me the problem too :scared:

Which was??
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 08:59:12 pm
Broken cam lobes, only running 8v
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: bacillus on July 21, 2012, 09:01:16 pm
Broken cam lobes, only running 8v

 :scared:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: chungster on July 21, 2012, 09:05:27 pm
That must be a first surely!!!!    :surprised:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Statller-Stevo on July 21, 2012, 09:05:58 pm
Stock K03, stock cooler, BWA, cat back zorst - 340bhp??

Didnt realise GIAC was that good!

Curious to see your peak torque arriving at a very late 5250 rpm though. Not like a K03 at all  :confused:

Read the title Lee :wink:


Ah but his post says running stock K03!!!  :wink:

But otherwise yeah that is impressive, as it was something I considered doing on the old GTI.  :smiley:


Evening Guys

Just to confirm
Gaz'z car is running my old Hybrid K04 with the actuator backed right off so not to blow a rod clean out the the back of the block!!  :wink:
He has S3 injectors, A-T HPRP, 3 inch downpipe (de-cat) and 3 inch VF intake etc etc
he's running a GIAC pump file atm with a standard GTI / Ed 30 intercooler & old plugs
We converted his car in quite a rush a few days before Inters this year, he did very well though and came third in the sprint results on Saturday if you check, this was with with two up and it's a manual car!!  (beat all the K04 cars except mine and a totally stripped car and we were both DSG)
This car does deploy its power very very well and it's a very entertaining drive, we will see late 360's before we are done with a flatter torque curve
Hope this helps :happy2:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Statller-Stevo on July 21, 2012, 09:10:53 pm
Broken cam lobes, only running 8v

Roller rockers Gary not cam lobes, seen this many times now but we sure do tend to get the harder worked cars in our shop
I think Dom's problem is due to the previous engine build been very below parr not over revs
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: chungster on July 21, 2012, 09:32:08 pm
Ah cheers for clearing that up Steve makes sense now   :happy2:

5.03 / 13.6 at Inters! Impressive  :smiley:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Statller-Stevo on July 21, 2012, 09:39:50 pm
Ah cheers for clearing that up Steve makes sense now   :happy2:

5.03 / 13.6 at Inters! Impressive  :smiley:

It certainly is for a baby  :wink:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: james on July 21, 2012, 09:42:49 pm
I did run my bwa at 380bhp n 380ftlb but blew a ring after 8k rods where fine :stupid:

Was good fun put my cdl engine today, just need to put the loom back in n she is ready to go :drinking:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: gazon69 on July 21, 2012, 09:45:16 pm
Broken cam lobes, only running 8v

Roller rockers Gary not cam lobes, seen this many times now but we sure do tend to get the harder worked cars in our shop
I think Dom's problem is due to the previous engine build been very below parr not over revs
He he sorry mate 4am starts at work and desperado's dont mix :signLOL:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Statller-Stevo on July 21, 2012, 10:18:45 pm
I did run my bwa at 380bhp n 380ftlb but blew a ring after 8k rods where fine :stupid:

Was good fun put my cdl engine today, just need to put the loom back in n she is ready to go :drinking:

You'll do well with the CDL its a good lump and will happily take the punishment  :happy2:

Yes I've got many K03 motors in the shop with rods like a dags hind leg, I'm saving them god knows why?? :stupid:
More power is readily available with Gaz's but his car is fast set uplike this, its sometimes faster than my 455hp DSG car with 235- 888's off the mark as his traction is phenominal! is a good little setup :driver:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Andy on July 21, 2012, 10:21:45 pm
Broken cam lobes, only running 8v

Roller rockers Gary not cam lobes, seen this many times now but we sure do tend to get the harder worked cars in our shop
I think Dom's problem is due to the previous engine build been very below parr not over revs

is Doms car sorted now
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Hurdy on July 21, 2012, 10:25:05 pm
Not bad :happy2:
Anyone happen to spot my broken white ed30 down there :sad1:

Yep, Steve has the head off and those roller rockers aren't doing a lot. 8 valves won't give you a lot of power!!



Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Statller-Stevo on July 21, 2012, 10:57:14 pm
Broken cam lobes, only running 8v

Roller rockers Gary not cam lobes, seen this many times now but we sure do tend to get the harder worked cars in our shop
I think Dom's problem is due to the previous engine build been very below parr not over revs

is Doms car sorted now

Diagnosed but still not had time to wip the cams out yet, not 100% sure whats caused this on Doms car yet, poor lad



Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: heavyd on July 22, 2012, 10:16:00 am
At least you found out what was wrong with it :drinking:

That vw specialist needs to be :fighting:, cams were put in wrong, now the rocker rollers. Hopefully this will be the last engine surgery the car gets :notworthy:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: PDT on July 22, 2012, 10:31:09 am
Mark sent me a text at 1.30am about the car Dom, were you out drowning your sorrows :signLOL:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: heavyd on July 22, 2012, 10:37:39 am
Mark sent me a text at 1.30am about the car Dom, were you out drowning your sorrows :signLOL:

 :signLOL: sure was Dave, I'm suprised this car hasnt turned me into an alcoholic by now :laugh:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Statller-Stevo on July 22, 2012, 12:13:43 pm
At least you found out what was wrong with it :drinking:

That vw specialist needs to be :fighting:, cams were put in wrong, now the rocker rollers. Hopefully this will be the last engine surgery the car gets :notworthy:

I'll get the rockers in early next week and leak down test it again, if it's seals ok then we're in business and you'll have your power back, like I said to you the last time we spoke Dom, I'm not sure what's caused this on your car, I've only ever seen this on manuals which have been murdered by over revs  :confused:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Andy on July 22, 2012, 01:31:49 pm
Block of wood under the accelerator peddle for the next mod then :signLOL:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: vRSAlex on July 22, 2012, 02:44:17 pm
Really glad the problem has been found.

Strange to hear that its the rockers at fault.  These are the same rockers used in the Gallardo engines that constantly rev high.

So are the valves leaking under a leak down test Steve?
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: heavyd on July 22, 2012, 05:17:52 pm
I've never over revved it, or changed down by mistake either. The week the car lost power I never had the car out of 'D' mode either, so a bit of a strange one  :stupid:

Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Statller-Stevo on July 22, 2012, 10:32:02 pm
Yes mate seen it a good few times now, first DSG car though so guess the valve timing & cam to cam timing being out for so long took its toll, just hope we can get away with just the rockers for you  :happy2:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 22, 2012, 10:49:12 pm

Smells like a similar problem to robdf2
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Statller-Stevo on July 22, 2012, 11:07:04 pm
Really glad the problem has been found.

Strange to hear that its the rockers at fault.  These are the same rockers used in the Gallardo engines that constantly rev high.

So are the valves leaking under a leak down test Steve?

Do you know the full history of the car AL ?
Speak to Dom about it, it's quite scary how it had been built so wrong when it's such a simple motor to put together

Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Andy on July 22, 2012, 11:22:16 pm
Really glad the problem has been found.

Strange to hear that its the rockers at fault.  These are the same rockers used in the Gallardo engines that constantly rev high.

So are the valves leaking under a leak down test Steve?

Do you know the full history of the car AL ?
Speak to Dom about it, it's quite scary how it had been built so wrong when it's such a simple motor to put together



 :same garage did my gttdi-- :scared:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: heavyd on July 22, 2012, 11:28:03 pm

Smells like a similar problem to robdf2

I just read his thread on cupranet, so it was the dodgy variator that caused his two exhaust cams to seize :confused:

Really glad the problem has been found.

Strange to hear that its the rockers at fault.  These are the same rockers used in the Gallardo engines that constantly rev high.

So are the valves leaking under a leak down test Steve?

Do you know the full history of the car AL ?
Speak to Dom about it, it's quite scary how it had been built so wrong when it's such a simple motor to put together



I was going to put it into BDM to get the rebuild done, but Maxitrol had found a garage 40mins away from me that did his engine, so went to them instead unfortunately :sad1:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Andy on July 22, 2012, 11:30:32 pm

Smells like a similar problem to robdf2

I just read his thread on cupranet, so it was the dodgy variator that caused his two exhaust cams to seize :confused:

Really glad the problem has been found.

Strange to hear that its the rockers at fault.  These are the same rockers used in the Gallardo engines that constantly rev high.

So are the valves leaking under a leak down test Steve?

Do you know the full history of the car AL ?
Speak to Dom about it, it's quite scary how it had been built so wrong when it's such a simple motor to put together



I was going to put it into BDM to get the rebuild done, but Maxitrol had found a garage 40mins away from me that did his engine, so went to them instead unfortunately :sad1:

Still feel guilty about recomending them :sad1:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 22, 2012, 11:31:46 pm

I wouldn't send Harry's bike to BDM (when hes big enough for a bike)
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: rich83 on July 23, 2012, 09:24:21 am

I wouldn't send Harry's bike to BDM (when hes big enough for a bike)

 :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: heavyd on July 23, 2012, 09:29:33 am

I wouldn't send Harry's bike to BDM (when hes big enough for a bike)

 :evilgrin:

It was when Alex worked there. They couldnt have made a worse job than the other place didi anyway.

Not your fault Andy, I took the car there, my decision. you might have all this to come yet  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Dyno results with k04 on bwa
Post by: robdf2 on July 23, 2012, 11:04:15 am

Smells like a similar problem to robdf2

yep , simliar , mine was my intake cam being put back in about 20 degrees out of position , meaning the intake valves never seated , the compression was never right , and basically ran like a bag of sh*te !
But guess what SEAT said nothing wrong with my car !!!!!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
and the reason they said nothing was wrong is because there was not fault code logged , and without a fault code they wont investigate , absolute joke !

you got any photos Dom?
your car is like de ja vu to me mate.

Im still waiting to get my claim settled so i can post all the pictures and full story over on seat cupra.
getting closer now though its gone to VW legal department.