MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: jedi-knight83 on July 24, 2012, 09:21:18 pm
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Seen a few of these on the road. LED lights instead of fogs...
just done a quick google..
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dont know part numbers or prices yet but has anyone fitted these? could look nice and OEM.
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They are similar up the ones you can get on the Octavia Scout. They are about £160 a unit iirc
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not that much here...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330718768899?item=330718768899&cmd=ViewItem&hash=item4d005fef03&vxp=mtr
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They are similar up the ones you can get on the Octavia Scout. They are about £160 a unit iirc
Part numbers are 5j0941067 5j0941968, about 38 quid a side from tps...
There's a bunch of guys on the German passat scene and Audi scene that have removed the led part out of these and fitted them into the fog housing of the passat and A4, looks pretty oem. Wirings a bit of a pain though. I'm working on this right as we speak, my replacement fogs arrived this morning and I'll be buying the skoda drls from tps after ramadan when I'll have a bit more time to play about...
Will be taking pics etc when I do :happy2:
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Must be getting them mixed up with the vRS ones.
Do they include the led bulbs etc?
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Must be getting them mixed up with the vRS ones.
Do they include the led bulbs etc?
its the same part and yes as far as i can tell from forum posts etc they are complete units.
they also come apart so the internals can be put in the golf fog housings..
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the pin allocation..
Pin 1: DRL (all 4 @ 100%, I=380 mA)
Pin 2: Massa
Pin 3: PO (Positionlight) all 4 LED`s dimmed, I=55 mA
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They are similar up the ones you can get on the Octavia Scout. They are about £160 a unit iirc
Part numbers are 5j0941067 5j0941968, about 38 quid a side from tps...
There's a bunch of guys on the German passat scene and Audi scene that have removed the led part out of these and fitted them into the fog housing of the passat and A4, looks pretty oem. Wirings a bit of a pain though. I'm working on this right as we speak, my replacement fogs arrived this morning and I'll be buying the skoda drls from tps after ramadan when I'll have a bit more time to play about...
Will be taking pics etc when I do :happy2:
think i might get these and have a play. :)
I'll probably turn fogs off completely with VCDS and then wire these myself. hopefully its as easy as ignition live / earth / and a feed from the lights so it knows when to dim?
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I'll be doing the same...lol.
But I'm adamant to do it properly so will be spending time figuring out the CECM pinouts for the DRLS to get the dimming function working properly :happy2:
I'm quite sure that there ought to be a dimming pin available somewhere in the CECM...I'm not 100% sure but chances are there is, if not then will just ground pin 2 and wire it up as a fog light - setup fogs as drls, make up and adapter to go from h11 to the new 3pin and plug and play! That way will also be able to retain the cornering light function too....
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I'll be doing the same...lol.
But I'm adamant to do it properly so will be spending time figuring out the CECM pinouts for the DRLS to get the dimming function working properly :happy2:
I'm quite sure that there ought to be a dimming pin available somewhere in the CECM...I'm not 100% sure but chances are there is, if not then will just ground pin 2 and wire it up as a fog light - setup fogs as drls, make up and adapter to go from h11 to the new 3pin and plug and play! That way will also be able to retain the cornering light function too....
have you got cornering lights then?
Will be interested if you do a write up :drinking:
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I meant the Octavia vRS are around £160 not the Fabia vRS :smiley:
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I'll be doing the same...lol.
But I'm adamant to do it properly so will be spending time figuring out the CECM pinouts for the DRLS to get the dimming function working properly :happy2:
I'm quite sure that there ought to be a dimming pin available somewhere in the CECM...I'm not 100% sure but chances are there is, if not then will just ground pin 2 and wire it up as a fog light - setup fogs as drls, make up and adapter to go from h11 to the new 3pin and plug and play! That way will also be able to retain the cornering light function too....
have you got cornering lights then?
Will be interested if you do a write up :drinking:
Yup, got cornering lights enabled along with fogs as drls at the moment...but not bright enough and these look like a good challenge...lol.
Bear in mind I've got a 30byte CECM though, don't think all the CECMs can do the cornering lights... I scavenged my CECM from an Octavia and coded it in myself, most trickiest bit was figuring out how to disable the second reverse light!
Will update with some pics but won't be for a while mind...
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I'll be doing the same...lol.
But I'm adamant to do it properly so will be spending time figuring out the CECM pinouts for the DRLS to get the dimming function working properly :happy2:
I'm quite sure that there ought to be a dimming pin available somewhere in the CECM...I'm not 100% sure but chances are there is, if not then will just ground pin 2 and wire it up as a fog light - setup fogs as drls, make up and adapter to go from h11 to the new 3pin and plug and play! That way will also be able to retain the cornering light function too....
have you got cornering lights then?
Will be interested if you do a write up :drinking:
Yup, got cornering lights enabled along with fogs as drls at the moment...but not bright enough and these look like a good challenge...lol.
Bear in mind I've got a 30byte CECM though, don't think all the CECMs can do the cornering lights... I scavenged my CECM from an Octavia and coded it in myself, most trickiest bit was figuring out how to disable the second reverse light!
Will update with some pics but won't be for a while mind...
Ah. yeah i have stock CECM.
I think my plan to wire them up separately is my best bet. hopefully the light units work out the dimming themselves?? (long shot lol)
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If only it were that simple!
They use what appears to be the same 3 wire system as the audis... So you can either use a control box (like the chap did over on r32oc where he installed the a6 drls on his r32) or u just leave pin 2 empty
From what I've read and my understanding, pin 2 is the 'dim' function at 15% output, which is usually activated by the CECM... Which is why it would be nice to get the CECM to do the work. But if this can't be done, then either leaving it untouched could work...or...if memory serves me correct I think the correct solution to avoid MFA errors if using them as fogs was to actually wire pin 2 to ground, ain't got a clue what this does internally - assuming it tells the light unit that there is no longer a 'dim' function available and to work at full brightness?...
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Any more info on this mod have the lights wanna have a play
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Anyone
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not had time yet. currently focusing on installing my ICE (car is in bits and spread across various rooms in my house and sheds lol).
Once thats done I've had go ahead from VW for my rust so that will be another 2-3 weeks i expect.
Then when I have it back I can think about playing with these.
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I have Hella LED DRL units on my Mk5 GTI:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1917.0.html
Guess who fitted mine way back in 2009? - Shabba when he worked for my VW dealer.
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So, to ask a stupid question, do you lose the fog light ability if you do these? Where I live it can get very foggy very often so that extra bit of light really helps as main beam just makes it harder to see.
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So, to ask a stupid question, do you lose the fog light ability if you do these? Where I live it can get very foggy very often so that extra bit of light really helps as main beam just makes it harder to see.
....Yes. Obviously front fogs only. It's a MOT fail not to have at least one rear foglight.
It can be very foggy (and heavy sea mists) in my neck of the woods too but I don't find it a problem and prefer to have the DRL's.
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With Ramadan nearly over and payday also around the corner this is near the top of the list :smiley:
Going on my research there's a few ways to wire these in... They use the standard VAG 3 pin wiring system for DRLs ( a 100% pin, a 'dim' pin and common ground)
1. Wire them in as bog standard DRLs as you would your 'halfrauds' kit... (wouldn't really bother with this method)
2. Install a 3c0 30 byte CECM, wire in fogs if you haven't already straight to the CECM - activate fogs and cornering lights, activate fogs as drls and connect the skoda drls in place of your fogs - this way you'll get fog lights when you want them... Cornering lights when your low beams are activated, drls during the day!
3. Simply install them in place of fogs, wire them up as fogs as drls if you have a lower/less byte CECM
Number 2 is most desirable if you have the means, 2 is probably most feasible...1 is easiest!
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With Ramadan nearly over and payday also around the corner this is near the top of the list :smiley:
Going on my research there's a few ways to wire these in... They use the standard VAG 3 pin wiring system for DRLs ( a 100% pin, a 'dim' pin and common ground)
1. Wire them in as bog standard DRLs as you would your 'halfrauds' kit... (wouldn't really bother with this method)
2. Install a 3c0 30 byte CECM, wire in fogs if you haven't already straight to the CECM - activate fogs and cornering lights, activate fogs as drls and connect the skoda drls in place of your fogs - this way you'll get fog lights when you want them... Cornering lights when your low beams are activated, drls during the day!
3. Simply install them in place of fogs, wire them up as fogs as drls if you have a lower/less byte CECM
Number 2 is most desirable if you have the means, 2 is probably most feasible...1 is easiest!
what is this cecm thing and how much is it and what else does it do?
with option 1... would you get the dim function if for instance you wire a switch feed into the dim pin.
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With Ramadan nearly over and payday also around the corner this is near the top of the list :smiley:
Going on my research there's a few ways to wire these in... They use the standard VAG 3 pin wiring system for DRLs ( a 100% pin, a 'dim' pin and common ground)
1. Wire them in as bog standard DRLs as you would your 'halfrauds' kit... (wouldn't really bother with this method)
2. Install a 3c0 30 byte CECM, wire in fogs if you haven't already straight to the CECM - activate fogs and cornering lights, activate fogs as drls and connect the skoda drls in place of your fogs - this way you'll get fog lights when you want them... Cornering lights when your low beams are activated, drls during the day!
3. Simply install them in place of fogs, wire them up as fogs as drls if you have a lower/less byte CECM
Number 2 is most desirable if you have the means, 2 is probably most feasible...1 is easiest!
what is this cecm thing and how much is it and what else does it do?
with option 1... would you get the dim function if for instance you wire a switch feed into the dim pin.
The CECM is the central electronics control module, controls all your lights etc. if your cars a 2007 or newer chances are you may already have a 30byte one installed especially if you have fogs (I got mine from a salvage skoda Octavia which was on a 57)
Tbh, I dont know how the dim function would work, I'm going to look into that properly at some point, I know you can get a controller which deals with it all but I would hope the CECM in the car would deal with it all what with it all being vag parts...
There's a guy on r32oc who installed the a6 drls on his r32 and had the dimming function, he used the controller, with this however you would lose the option of fogs I would have thought as I don't think you can run two 12 volt sources to the same pin on the CECM (you'd have one coming from your drl controller then one for your fog switch) so you'd get errors and it'd either not work or kill the LEDs.
Personally I want to retain the ability to have fogs (or at least something which resembles them) should I need them...plus I think the cornering lights look cool...lol
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Could it not be wired up through a change over relay for a ignition live to switch to dimmed when lights turned on
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Yup, that's the proper way of number 1 lol.
But...you would lose fogs...my goal is to retain as much oem function as possible...for those that have fogs already, wanting to go down this route would mean just buying these units, the wiring, cheap eBay fog housings and some coding...all reversible. Plus retain fogs!
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Yup, that's the proper way of number 1 lol.
But...you would lose fogs...my goal is to retain as much oem function as possible...for those that have fogs already, wanting to go down this route would mean just buying these units, the wiring, cheap eBay fog housings and some coding...all reversible. Plus retain fogs!
....Am I missing something here? Fog lights and DRL's are quite different: The light from fog lights designed for purpose, is not the same as the LED light from DRL units. In the same location you either have fogs or you have LED DRL's, not both unless you fit extra light units.
There is a thread showing the LED DRL strip units which can be fitted in addition to keeping the OEM fogs.
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If you were to fit some aftermarket DRL lights and also keep your fogs, where would you take the power from???
Do people just connect to the sidelight wiring?
If this was done, would the DRL's just come on when the sidelights are switched on, or would they be on when ever the headlights are on?
I've got some DRL's that I think are gonna be real popular :innocent:
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Im intrigued as to how you're going to drive around with yours on Carlo :P :P Cant wait to see peoples reactions :party:
(When you finally get a build thread up!!)
If you were to fit some aftermarket DRL lights and also keep your fogs, where would you take the power from???
Do people just connect to the sidelight wiring?
If this was done, would the DRL's just come on when the sidelights are switched on, or would they be on when ever the headlights are on?
I've got some DRL's that I think are gonna be real popular :innocent:
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With Ramadan nearly over and payday also around the corner this is near the top of the list :smiley:
Going on my research there's a few ways to wire these in... They use the standard VAG 3 pin wiring system for DRLs ( a 100% pin, a 'dim' pin and common ground)
1. Wire them in as bog standard DRLs as you would your 'halfrauds' kit... (wouldn't really bother with this method)
2. Install a 3c0 30 byte CECM, wire in fogs if you haven't already straight to the CECM - activate fogs and cornering lights, activate fogs as drls and connect the skoda drls in place of your fogs - this way you'll get fog lights when you want them... Cornering lights when your low beams are activated, drls during the day!
3. Simply install them in place of fogs, wire them up as fogs as drls if you have a lower/less byte CECM
Number 2 is most desirable if you have the means, 2 is probably most feasible...1 is easiest!
Apples is option 3 a straight 'plug n play' assuming you have the correct controller and can code it?
What about a bulb warning light, would this throw any up, or do you think the light unit somehow overcomes this?
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Im intrigued as to how you're going to drive around with yours on Carlo :P :P Cant wait to see peoples reactions :party:
(When you finally get a build thread up!!)
If you were to fit some aftermarket DRL lights and also keep your fogs, where would you take the power from???
Do people just connect to the sidelight wiring?
If this was done, would the DRL's just come on when the sidelights are switched on, or would they be on when ever the headlights are on?
I've got some DRL's that I think are gonna be real popular :innocent:
They aren't the DRL's I mean Mike.
(.....I show off my other lights later) :wink:
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Another alternative:
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20738.135.html
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I'm gunna wire it with a proper relay for the dimming function as to dim the lights they use a pulse to power them in dimmed form.
The lights will come on with the ignition and dim with the side lights and headlights. I will code out the fogs and use it this way till there is a factory way to do it and I get round to doing a high line dash and MFSW
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I'm gunna wire it with a proper relay for the dimming function as to dim the lights they use a pulse to power them in dimmed form.
The lights will come on with the ignition and dim with the side lights and headlights. I will code out the fogs and use it this way till there is a factory way to do it and I get round to doing a high line dash and MFSW
....As you are Dan The Man who did mine, back in 2009, I guess this is how you did mine? Except mine don't dim.
Perfect as far as I'm concerned - Fit and forget and they're automatically on/off as they should be.
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Yeah pretty much the same just with dimming function
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Yeah pretty much the same just with dimming function
....Aha! So does that mean you could (easily?) now make mine dim or stay on with the sidelights?
I've often thought that I'd like the DRL's left on when the sidelights (OEM are weak fronts) are on.
Now the Olympics are over I could make another visit.
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I'm gunna wire it with a proper relay for the dimming function as to dim the lights they use a pulse to power them in dimmed form.
The lights will come on with the ignition and dim with the side lights and headlights. I will code out the fogs and use it this way till there is a factory way to do it and I get round to doing a high line dash and MFSW
if you could post up bits needed and method of getting these to work id appreciate :)
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It is possible todos your drl all it needs is re wiring and a little box of tricks not tried it should work lovely.
Had a play with the Skoda lights yesterday and I need to buy some standard mk5 fogs as the projector fogs on the gti don't take the led unit.
Also the dim function on the drls is just a case of flipping power from pin 1 to pin 3 which I will use a change over relay.
All I need to do now is get the 3 pin plugs (if any one knows the part numbers for repair wires and connectors would be helpful) and make a loom from relay plate to front and modify some fogs.
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I raised this issue a few years ago now and then never looked into it any more. Did anyone successfully work this out at all?
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I raised this issue a few years ago now and then never looked into it any more. Did anyone successfully work this out at all?
I've just installed these on my GT. I decided to go with a 30byte highline CECM at the same time as I wanted cornering lights too. I now have the DRLs enabled and working during the day, when the headlights come on (auto) the fogs switch to cornering lights and I can also override the whole lot and switch the fogs on with the original switch. The only thing I'm not 100% on at the moment is if the CECM has a dimming pin that I can hook into for when the headlights are on but I'm not particularly fussed about it at the moment.
The Skoda units don't fit standard as the mounts are on the opposite side to the VW ones, I swapped the fronts of my original projector units with the Skoda ones and they fit pretty nicely now. I do however need to get some standard Mk5 reflector fogs as the projector lenses have a section blocked where the bulb would be and the reflectors are completely clear.
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I've just installed these on my GT. I decided to go with a 30byte highline CECM at the same time as I wanted cornering lights too. I now have the DRLs enabled and working during the day, when the headlights come on (auto) the fogs switch to cornering lights and I can also override the whole lot and switch the fogs on with the original switch. The only thing I'm not 100% on at the moment is if the CECM has a dimming pin that I can hook into for when the headlights are on but I'm not particularly fussed about it at the moment.
The Skoda units don't fit standard as the mounts are on the opposite side to the VW ones, I swapped the fronts of my original projector units with the Skoda ones and they fit pretty nicely now. I do however need to get some standard Mk5 reflector fogs as the projector lenses have a section blocked where the bulb would be and the reflectors are completely clear.
How do you have them setup? Pin 1 and dimmed mode? or Pin 3 with full brightness?
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How do you have them setup? Pin 1 and dimmed mode? or Pin 3 with full brightness?
I have them on pin 3 with ful brightness as I couldn't find a dimming pin on the CECM.
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Thanks for the reply :happy2: Ideally I wanted to keep the fogs enabled but not wanting to run resistors I think I will disable the fogs and install a set of these, then code up to set fogs as DRL's. If you put 12v on pin 1 they are dimmed so they must be controlled by the board inside the lamp units (no PWM signal needed? So it sounds like it would basically need a 12v supply running to this pin when headlamps are on, I would like to have the CECM control this but not managed to find much info to help with that.
With the two brightness levels they are designed to work as follows?.. DRL = full brightness, Headlights = dimmed, Fog = full brightness
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Thanks for the reply :happy2: Ideally I wanted to keep the fogs enabled but not wanting to run resistors I think I will disable the fogs and install a set of these, then code up to set fogs as DRL's. If you put 12v on pin 1 they are dimmed so they must be controlled by the board inside the lamp units (no PWM signal needed? So it sounds like it would basically need a 12v supply running to this pin when headlamps are on, I would like to have the CECM control this but not managed to find much info to help with that.
With the two brightness levels they are designed to work as follows?.. DRL = full brightness, Headlights = dimmed, Fog = full brightness
Sorry for the late reply to this, been mega busy recently. I don't have resistors on mine as they got stupidly hot when running so I wasn't comfortable with it, I do have a bulb out light on the dash because I'm not running resistors, bit of a trade off I suppose, still looking for a work around for this.
You can leave the fogs enabled and code fogs as DRLs, remember to use USA style with fogs as DRL, took me a while to realise they didn't turn on until you release the handbrake :signLOL: The DRLs will be on when the headlights are not on, as soon as you turn the headlights on then the DRLs shut off. If you have headlights on and want fogs, just use the switch as usual and it will switch everything on. I've installed a 30byte CECM too so I have fogs as cornering lights coded which shuts one DRL off when turning at certain speeds :happy2:
Brightness how I have them is 100% DRL, off with headlights, 100% fog. You can code different brightness but I didn't really see any difference and was a little concerned it may change the fog brightness and I want that at 100%. How you describe is how they are meant to work though I believe.
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Cheers, I agree about the resistors so I think I'm going to run them with fogs set to disable for now until I can come up with a solution, let me know if you think of anything.