MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Hurdy on August 21, 2012, 01:48:06 pm
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Well guys which would you do and why?
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Golf R And spend the 10k... :happy2:
I remember watching on youtube about how bad the rs3 handled, so there would be a few quid needed for mods to correct that.
Was it how bad it understeered
The R is a nice car & with 10k of mods even nicer :drool:
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.:R, Stage 2+, race haldex, Carbon bonnet, tailgate, wings, OZ Superforgiatta, ASTs
Over budget :ashamed:
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You know what most of the answer's are going to be one here John. :rolleye:
You need to ask yourself what your goal is at the end game. You like the engineering challenge and taking cars to the limit of there explosion point. :innocent: This in mind are you really going to just stop at stage 2 + with the RS3, i think not. For me i would rather have the golf to look at the Milltek R is a strong car and takes lots of abuse in it's stride, but the RS3 is another level in terms of engineering and strength, or it should be for the extra cost.
If i was you i would go with the RS3 and have a long term goal of putting the LOBA on it, as you know you will anyway at some point in the future :wink:
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i concur with top cat, rs3 if you are wanting to go even bigger power. look at the platform for it, surely it would not take that much to get it to cope with a nice 450bhp
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I'd go S3 and modify.... or .:R and modify. i personally wouldn't even consider the RS3, nice car but well over priced.
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Golf R for me. think the RS3 is a better performance car, and always will be when compared to a modded Golf R. plus that £10k you spend you won't see back when you sell the Golf R.
but the VW infotainment systems are better than the Audi's and in day to day living that is much more important. plus the RS3 is now an obsolete model. the Mk6 is still the current shape (even if that won't be the case for much longer)
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but the VW infotainment systems are better than the Audi's and in day to day living that is much more important...
Haha, you love your infotainment systems don't you! Can't say it's something that has ever bothered me :indifferent:
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Stick the RS3 engine in the Golf .:R...... Simples!
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but the VW infotainment systems are better than the Audi's and in day to day living that is much more important...
Haha, you love your infotainment systems don't you! Can't say it's something that has ever bothered me :indifferent:
the later ones are definitely adequate, but RNS-510 is 100% better than RNS-E, and it annoys me our DIS doesn't support Polar FIS+. it's a bit backwards considering Audi is meant to be the "premium" brand.
don't get me wrong, i clearly love Audis and i drive an 8P remember, but just as an overall package i think the Golf is a better car. certainly between the Golf R and the S3 there is no contest, the Golf R is better. the RS3 has more straight line performance, but a stage 1 Golf R will have over 300bhp and you don't really need more than that in a family hatchback.
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TBH I put Golf R but if it was me I would but a Noble M12 for say £25k then spend £10k on a cheap ED30 and £7k on mods for the ED30.
Thats a lot of money for a Hatchback.
Or an RS4 with a Supercharger?
The list is endless but It would be the Golf for the purpose of this exercise as I don't like Audi tax.
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Interesting one. I was reading your new build thread and thought the same, golf r plus 2.5 = rs3 money, but did not want to spam it.
If it were me I'd keep the polo and then get a r300 superlight. No matter how much you spend on a golf or rs3, it will not come close to the thrills the caterham would give you.
Modding, in my own experience, does not give good value for money, you would be better off spending it on petrol and track days. Enjoying the car rather than chasing numbers on a dyno.
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The R + 10k is ALOT of money for a Golf, albeit a very quick Golf., but still just a Golf none the less.
With the RS3 you have its appeal as an RS badged vehicle, its rare, it has much higher tuning potential, sounds a million times better, residuals will be better and is generally IMO the more sensible of the two options.
If id bought the Golf R and put 10k into it id always be looking at RS3s thinking i should have bought one!!
And think of the tuning potential you will have open to you then!!
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TBH the RS3 is also 'just' a Golf with an RS and Audi badge.
You could say the 911 is 'just' a flashy Beetle?
John are you having second thoughts?
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What about an B8 Audi S4 3.0TFSI!!! They must be gagging for someone to offer theirs up for some stage 3 or 4 action!!
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TT-RS?
And still spend the £10k.
There is only one reason I would go for a RS3, Suzuka Grey :drool:
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TBH the RS3 is also 'just' a Golf with an RS and Audi badge.
You could say the 911 is 'just' a flashy Beetle?
John are you having second thoughts?
I reckon you would find its just golf owners who will think that though. I'd bet the overwhelming majority of the public wouldn't agree, despite the element of truth behind it.
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I agree with you but from a Petrolhead point of view and, not the general public, its a Golf.
I buy a car because of the way it drives not because of its badge and not what the Neighbours think and I think Hurdy does too by the looks of things.
I don't really understand the post?
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John, there is no way you can buy an RS3 and 'just put an intake and remap on it!
I don't know you personally but on here you seem to like to take things as far as you can go?
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which is whay he should get an RS3!!
he's done the 2.0TFSI already and ended up with 450hp and 510Nm!!! Imagine what he'll do with an RS3!!
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John had a Suzuki Grey RS3 on order some months back - He cancelled his order.
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Octavia. :laugh:
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Has to be an RS3 for me out of those 2. Although personally not sure if I could bring my self to spend 40k+ on a hot hatch even if i had the cash.
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RS3 no doubt, much more room for bigger power increases and mods and like others say 9k cheaper, now if it was a choice of S3 or Golf R, I would go Golf R :happy2:
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Octavia. :laugh:
But thats Just a Golf with a different badge....
ill get my coat :grin:
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I don't understand those folks who have the mindset that a Golf is 'only' a hatchback and therefore not worth spending ~40k+ on. So what? It's a car and the hatch back format has many advantages over 2-seaters, saloons, and estates. We each buy a car for different reasons and according to our lifestyle, and when I say "lifestyle" I don't mean income.
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Porsche turbo stop fecking about and grow a pair :signLOL:
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Good point Robin.
But I would still have the Noble and the 'Golf'
Maybe even a new MK6 GTI and a Noble :P
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Porsche turbo stop fecking about and grow a pair :signLOL:
Noble or Atom :P
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Well guys which would you do and why?
You can't change your mind as your build thread is 12 pages long now! and you still actually haven't bought one technically :signLOL:
Oh and new the M3 would be my money
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Good point Robin.
But I would still have the Noble and the 'Golf'
Maybe even a new MK6 GTI and a Noble :P
Or a Polo GTI and a Noble :signLOL:
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Oh and new the M3 would be my money
not the M3, you need a 1M.
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Just a 3 and 1 series :P
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Hahaa, some great answers there guys. The reason I posted was because someone mentioned to me why not just have an RS3 as you'd only have to do a map and an intake to get more than a stage 2 Golf .:R and almost as much as a Loba L04XX Golf .:R.
My heart has been with VW for a while now and really I wish I'd gone straight from the ED30 to the Golf .:R rather than "faffing" (as my wife said! :ashamed:) with the Lexus and the Polo in between.
So, I'll be back in a Golf and spending some dough. I'm "just" going to do stage 2+ at first and see how the car feels at that. Going to the Loba would mean a serious heft of cash, but would/will be one hell of a motor.
The RS3 was great when I test drove one, but even with 340ps it still felt quite anaemic even compared to a stock Golf .:R. Subjective I know and out of the 2 the RS3 would be faster on the straight, but as JonnyC proved at his trip to Brunters a stage 2+ Golf .:R can do the 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds and 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds, so do you/I really need anything faster? :driver:
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Just to add.. my money would go on the M135i..... £30k and massive tuning potential :evilgrin:
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I would go with the TTrs as it handles better as standard than the RS3 and we all know the engine is good for 650hp on standard internals so if you feel you want more power you can with jst a turbo OR if you can stretch to it 997 turbo and map that and you'd be at stage 3 2.5tfsi levels with a chassis that wont need modifying!
But where do you stop, by the time you've modded the golf your at RS3/TTRS territory and by the time youve modded them your at 997 turbo levels :rolleye:
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Was lucky enough to get a passenger ride in a swedish 370BHP Golf R at the Nurburgring last year and all I can say is WOW....DSG box and man who tells me he's only driving 80% with 100+ laps behind him is a very scary combination!!! So ill vote for the .:R
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Id say rs3 just for the 5 pot, and it will make silly figures just on stage 1-2.... even tho i dont really like the look of them!
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I reckon if you were to ask about this when the cars are a few years old and done the majority of their depreciation i think the golf R would be a great choice then.
How long do we reckon until the golf R is in the 10-15k price range?
Still think a stage 3 B8 S4 3.0TFSI with a bigger supercharger would be a great option and more fun because its new territory. The 2.0TFSI has been done already, which ruins some of the fun i think.
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Dont modify it. Just enjoy the car. You are chasing something with VWs that just doesn't exist. A remap, leave it at that.
If you are so desperate for a car that does 10 second quarters, there are cheaper ways.
You will make the car have unusable power, like the Polo did.
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Dont modify it. Just enjoy the car. You are chasing something with VWs that just doesn't exist. A remap, leave it at that.
If you are so desperate for a car that does 10 second quarters, there are cheaper ways.
You will make the car have unusable power, like the Polo did.
Someone ban this man!! :P
Whilst I agree to some extent...... I would say its the journey not the destination that is the fun bit :innocent:
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Dont modify it. Just enjoy the car. You are chasing something with VWs that just doesn't exist. A remap, leave it at that.
If you are so desperate for a car that does 10 second quarters, there are cheaper ways.
You will make the car have unusable power, like the Polo did.
^^^^^ this.
My circumstances at the time made the decision to part with my ttrs easy one. I wanted to play and have a nice daily, I was not due to move jobs for a good few years (if ever)life was good, I had every weekend and evening off. A new job (which came out of the blue) blew it out of the water! I now work 110 miles away from home have an amazing gf who lives near my job, and do a bit of spannering in the vw cup so don't really get home much, once every 8 weeks or so as it stands.
My point being I will be back in a ttrs one day, my circumstances have changed, i sold at the right time......2nd prices are good. Now is a very good time to buy a used ttrs, circa £29k for a 20k mile well specced example..........
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My heart has been with VW for a while now and really I wish I'd gone straight from the ED30 to the Golf .:R rather than "faffing" (as my wife said! :ashamed:) with the Lexus and the Polo in between.
This is my route , waiting until the Golf R hits around 16K then I will be all over one (hopefully around 3 to 3.5 years old), let someone else pay the 50% depreciation :happy2:
So, I'll be back in a Golf and spending some dough. I'm "just" going to do stage 2+ at first and see how the car feels at that. Going to the Loba would mean a serious heft of cash, but would/will be one hell of a motor.
I think as some others have said a stage 2+ Golf R with about 360bhp will be plenty quick enough to keep up show a clean pair of heels to most cars
The RS3 was great when I test drove one, but even with 340ps it still felt quite anaemic even compared to a stock Golf .:R. Subjective I know and out of the 2 the RS3 would be faster on the straight, but as JonnyC proved at his trip to Brunters a stage 2+ Golf .:R can do the 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds and 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds, so do you/I really need anything faster? :driver:
For me the RS3 is not a great looking car, "Bread Van" springs to mind, but sound of 5 pot and tuning potential does have its benefits :happy2:
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You will make the car have unusable power, like the Polo did.
....Did/Does Hurdy's Polo "have unusable power"? - I haven't ridden in it but I don't think so.
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Funny as I was stood in an Audi showroom yesterday looking at an RS3 hoping it was spark some interest deep inside by brain......
But no, it still looks as dull as dish water to me! (apologies to the guys on here that have them)
I also spent some time in a Stage 2 TTRS that a pal of mine has and it is fookin epic and if I had the money I'd have one in an instant!! :notworthy:
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@ QD: Do you still have the Clio? Glad to hear life is good with you :happy2:
Totally irrational but I simply can't see Hurdy in a TTRS. I can see him driving a Porsche though. I also think that a Golf .:R suits him better than a RS3. A Golf .:R with the RS3/TTRS engine would be the ultimate in my opinion.
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Yes still got the blue bomb. Sat in the garage at home. Ideal will be a ttrs and the Clio (in a lockup at work) if finances can stretch.
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i would also go golf r, although im having some serious issues fighting the urge to buy the m135i!!! just the mpg that puts me off (did i just say that :signLOL:), im sure hurdys r will be fantastic when he is done :driver:
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RS3 for me :happy2:
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i would also go golf r, although im having some serious issues fighting the urge to buy the m135i!!! just the mpg that puts me off (did i just say that :signLOL:), im sure hurdys r will be fantastic when he is done :driver:
What 37mpg combined for a petrol, 3ltr, blown 6 pot?!?!? Or is it the fact you have succumb to the devils fuel of late? :grin: I say go for it pal, I'm sure Mat will agree.. :signLOL:
John - I would go for the RS3 pal. It may not be the lightest, fun-filled, best looking motor out there. But it does do a lot of things very very well and has 'that' engine of course, so potential by the bucket load.
As much as I like the .:R, I feel you will get bored very quickly due to your ED30 links/experience. Then of course there's the whole financial aspect to come into play too..
Also - don't get too carried away with the figures from APR's demo car, as most of that is down to LC + 4WD. So unless you use LC every time you come to a stop or go down the Loba route, it will be slower than your old Ed30 once up and running. In which case - how quickly would the bordom kick in...?
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I need to try a 135i - I just cant believe that it could get anywhere near that MPG.
As for the choice - both are pretty rare, think the RS3 would be nice. Spending 10k on a Golf R might make it lots of fun but your going to loose a lot of that - would you loose as much on an RS3? something to consider maybe.. putting money aside I think the RS3 would just scrape it.
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Does f all for me :confused:
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It's just plain ugly IMO.
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Does f all for me :confused:
+1
looks like a tranny or a chav on steads
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:surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
It happens to be my pals car and I think its awesome!! :P
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I really like the TTRS. Although more for the performance rather than the looks :happy2:
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Never really liked the TT's in both MKI or MKII. The performance is appealing, but the looks and practicality just don't do it for me.
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:surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
It happens to be my pals car and I think its awesome!! :P
The engine might be but the car is just not that nice but ETTO and all that
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TT and TTRS etc is a marmite car, I reckon. But no-one doubts the excellence of the TTRS engine :notworthy:
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I love the TTRS. Would buy one in a heartbeat if it were affordable for me.
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Mk5 R32 - big turbo?? :star:
HALDEX, the noise :wink:, the power :drool:
Surely meets all your needs?? :grin:
Graeme
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Well guys which would you do and why?
Any Consolation John this is what I replaced your Edition 30 with:
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I have also taken the plunge with an rs3 in suzuka grey, which is why im trying to sell my edition 30. Think both the r and rs3 are great cars in very different ways. But for me the rs3 was more of a change compared with the golf r. Was afraid that id get bored of it quickly with the golf r and ive already experienced a remapped 2.0 ko4 turbo. The rs3 has great performance out of the box so wont need to do anything to it for a while. Just my 2p worth.
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Does the RS3 use the same chassis as a regular 3 door S3? In size terms it looks kind of half way between a 5-door Golf and an A4 estate. Perhaps that's just the shape creating that illusion of increased size.
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Essentially the same chassis with a few changes.
Wider track, light weight fenders, and 4th gen haldex differentiate it.
Needs a remap though
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Essentially the same chassis with a few changes.
Wider track, light weight fenders, and 4th gen haldex differentiate it.
Needs a remap though
It needs 600Hp :laugh:
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Needs a remap though
It needs 600Hp :laugh:
....Then go to Kim Collins at QST/MTM and pay him over £3.5k - If you have to ask exactly how much, you can't afford it.
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Well guys which would you do and why?
Any Consolation John this is what I replaced your Edition 30 with:
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Good choice.
Anyhow, the Golf .:R is here and had a chance on the way home to get used to it. VERY pleased with it and the chassis and 4 we is great.
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Good choice.
Anyhow, the Golf .:R is here and had a chance on the way home to get used to it. VERY pleased with it and the chassis and 4 we is great.
Congratulations John look forward to your build thread
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Been promised one when some money lands, maybe a year or 2 though and a new one may be out by then. Just a waiting game :sad1: :party:
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Glad you didn't get this one :-
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201233481911100/sort/default/usedcars/price-to/40000/price-from/20000/model/golf/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/page/1/keywords/r/postcode/s637nw?logcode=p
3 Doors, Manual, Hatchback, Petrol, 217,332 miles, Blue Graphite Pearlescent, Electronic Stability Programme, 18In Alloy Wheels, Two Seats - Rear Seat - ISOFIX Anchorage Point, Climate Control, Anti-Lock Brakes, Computer, Sport Chassis, Electronic Brake Force Distribution, Rake/Reach Adjustable Steering Column/Wheel, Front Electric Windows, Remote Central Door Locking, Seats Split Rear, Body Coloured Bumpers, Headlamp Wash, Xenon Headlamps Exterior Lighting, Power-Assisted Steering, Cup Holder, Front Armrest, Gear Knob Leather, Heated Rear Screen, Steering Wheel Leather, Driver/Passenger Seat Lumbar Support, Rear Wash/Wipe, Driver/Passenger Seat Height Adjustment, Immobiliser, Tyre Repair Kit, Cloth interior, 4WD. £21,995 Non VAT Qualifying
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Glad you didn't get this one :-
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201233481911100/sort/default/usedcars/price-to/40000/price-from/20000/model/golf/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/page/1/keywords/r/postcode/s637nw?logcode=p
3 Doors, Manual, Hatchback, Petrol, 217,332 miles, Blue Graphite Pearlescent, Electronic Stability Programme, 18In Alloy Wheels, Two Seats - Rear Seat - ISOFIX Anchorage Point, Climate Control, Anti-Lock Brakes, Computer, Sport Chassis, Electronic Brake Force Distribution, Rake/Reach Adjustable Steering Column/Wheel, Front Electric Windows, Remote Central Door Locking, Seats Split Rear, Body Coloured Bumpers, Headlamp Wash, Xenon Headlamps Exterior Lighting, Power-Assisted Steering, Cup Holder, Front Armrest, Gear Knob Leather, Heated Rear Screen, Steering Wheel Leather, Driver/Passenger Seat Lumbar Support, Rear Wash/Wipe, Driver/Passenger Seat Height Adjustment, Immobiliser, Tyre Repair Kit, Cloth interior, 4WD. £21,995 Non VAT Qualifying
That can't be right. Surely a VW dealer wouldn't be interested in that. Plus the interior looks mint!!
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Essentially the same chassis with a few changes.
Wider track, light weight fenders, and 4th gen haldex differentiate it.
Needs a remap though
Golf R has 4th gen Haldex and wider track too. Also needs a remap. :smiley:
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Very tempted with the R now myself, I keep looking. I think I also prefer the cloth interior to leather - maybe retrim it to some alcantara in the centre sections ...
135i would be fun but would I want to change it too soon - I think the R I would keep longer.
John ... PICS !!
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Very tempted with the R now myself, I keep looking. I think I also prefer the cloth interior to leather - maybe retrim it to some alcantara in the centre sections ...
135i would be fun but would I want to change it too soon - I think the R I would keep longer.
John ... PICS !!
Agree on the Cloth. Lee's (Chungster) Scirocco R has the cloth and the difference it makes to the interior is huge! There's just more to it if that makes sense. The Leather just looks a bit staid and boring.
As and when I find an R32, if it has Leather I'm planning to replace the centre sections with Alcantara too! :wink:
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Looking forward to seeing some more pics :happy2: