MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: danishmkvgti on August 21, 2012, 07:28:24 pm
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http://www.ts-reifenhandel.de/index.php?id=2
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MICHELIN SUP-SP 225/40 ZR18 88 Y * PILOT SUPER SPORT:
Speziell entwickelt für Super Sport Fahrzeuge und Ultra High Performance Tuning.
Erfolgreich erprobt auf der Langstrecke - Für Sie überragend auf der Straße. Sicherheit auch unter extremsten Bedingungen. Gemeinsam entwickelt mit Porsche, BMW M und Ferrari.
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Dass sich der Michelin Pilot Super Sport auf Rang vier einreihen muss, liegt an der mäßigen Leistung auf Nässe. Das Fahrverhalten ist geprägt von hektischen Lastwechselreaktionen, die Aquaplaningleistung ist nicht zufriedenstellend. Bei Trockenheit trumpft der Michelin aber mit einem höchst präzisen Einlenkverhalten auf. Im Grenzbereich gibt sich der Golf GTI sehr neutral. Bei der Rundenzeit im Trockenen setzt der Franzose die Benchmark. Auch die Dauerbelastung steckt der Pilot Super Sport locker weg.
But they're only 88Y not 92Y like PS2s.
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you cant be serious, have been waiting for this dont tell me they aint doing 92 load :fighting:
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88 = 560kg
560kg x 4 is more than the weight of the Golf, even if you have 4 fat friends on board and some luggage
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They may be able to hold the weight, but most insurance companies wont touch you with them fitted as they are not what the manufacture requires (i.e. 92 load)
Fish
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The 225/40/18 92 Y XL according to michelin is not going into Production.
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88 = 560kg
560kg x 4 is more than the weight of the Golf, even if you have 4 fat friends on board and some luggage
Maybe but what about under braking when most the weight is thrown to the front end or in cornering with them sidewalls???
Insurance means there a no go im afraid :sad1:
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88 = 560kg
560kg x 4 is more than the weight of the Golf, even if you have 4 fat friends on board and some luggage
Maybe but what about under braking when most the weight is thrown to the front end or in cornering with them sidewalls???
Insurance means there a no go im afraid :sad1:
point taken about insurance, but i'd imagine if you've got a full load you won't be chucking your car around, and if you are chucking your car around your car is gonna be relatively empty
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88 = 560kg
560kg x 4 is more than the weight of the Golf, even if you have 4 fat friends on board and some luggage
Maybe but what about under braking when most the weight is thrown to the front end or in cornering with them sidewalls???
Insurance means there a no go im afraid :sad1:
point taken about insurance, but i'd imagine if you've got a full load you won't be chucking your car around, and if you are chucking your car around your car is gonna be relatively empty
im sure form a physics or mathematical point of view you are correct. it is not worth the risk from the insurance point of view, simple as.
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These are available on camskills, but only in "BMW Spec"
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s6149p96544/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_SuperSport_Pilot_Michelin_Super_Sport_-_225_40R18_88Y_%28%2A%29_TL_
Can these be used on the mk5? I notice that they are not Extra load...
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They'll go on and work perfectly fine imo, however the possible insurance implications due to them not being the correct load rating would probably put me off tbh
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In this size they only make it in BMW spec (*).
The new M135i F20 comes with these from factory (front).
On a GTI I don't see any issue with the load rating. A R32 DSG is another story.
If you run them on aftermarket wheels it's anyway a twilight zone. Most wheels
of highly reputed makes come with a TÜV certificate that allows ''88 LI'' tyres.
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Been looking at load rating and a BMW 135i has a GVW of 2030kg carleasingmadesimple.com/business-car-leasing/bmw/1-series-convertible-special-editions/54853/technical-data/ (http://carleasingmadesimple.com/business-car-leasing/bmw/1-series-convertible-special-editions/54853/technical-data/) and runs 215 40 18 on the front, these tyres have load rating of 85.
So i know what people are saying about insurers etc but i have looked in the manuals and can't find were it specifies a load rating for the tyres. Clearly you don't want to go below the gvw for the max load the tyres are rated too.
But there are heavier cars running load ratings lower than 88 which is what the PSS are currently being offered in.
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NOT the old 135i E82, I said the new M135i F20 !!!
More relevant is front axle weight, not total weight.
Agree with the rest. :wink: Some heavier cars like BMW 335i and 335d just run '88' LI tyres.
These come from factory with e.g. 225/40 R18 88W RFT. Most RFT have a lower load index.
Don't get it wrong, the new M135i doesn't come with RFT (RunFlat) tyres as all M models don't
come with these. The above PSS definitely are conventional tyres, just with a slighly lower
load rating and BMW spec.
I'd recommend with '88' to increase tyre pressure by 5 to 10 % percent. This will surely give
the tyre sufficient load capability.
Another 'pro' for '88' rated tyres on a GTI:
Volkswagen sold the Mk.VI GTI as an option with 19" wheels (225/35 R19 88Y). This size
isn't available with a 92 rating. This is why Volkswagen equipped these with '88' rated tyres
and recommended a slightly higher tyre pressure.
When there isn't an issue on a Mk.VI GTI / ED35 why should there any issue on a Mk.V?
I've run the 225/35 R19 88Y on my GTI for almost three years (and wouldn't run 19" anymore),
but I never had tyre failure.
I will surely go for the Michelin PSS next !!
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Im sold :drool: :drool:
Once the winter tyres come off in march i will be getting myself 4 of these puppies :evilgrin:
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My PS Cups were 88Y if I remember correctly - no issues running them on track.
I think the stiffer sidewall compensates, although I'd not be willing to test this theory with a cheap tyre.
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So mike... in your opinion. Should i get another pair of F1v2 or get some of these and whack them on the front? (ive got F1v2 all round at the moment.)
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If the insurance say it's ok, I'd go PSS, I would check with them though. It's less of an issue to me, as I have a BMW and those specs are correct.
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we've had this discussion before :smiley: at least twice
I've had PS2's on my CK's in 225/35/19 88Y with no running issues at all for what its worth
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we've had this discussion before :smiley: at least twice
I've had PS2's on my CK's in 225/35/19 88Y with no running issues at all for what its worth
Sorry to go over old ground.... must have missed that thread. :happy2:
Thanks for the information.... ill probably try these then! :happy2:
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we've had this discussion before :smiley: at least twice
I've had PS2's on my CK's in 225/35/19 88Y with no running issues at all for what its worth
Sorry to go over old ground.... must have missed that thread. :happy2:
Thanks for the information.... ill probably try these then! :happy2:
no worries mate :happy2: I'm not saying its right or wrong to use 88Y's, just that I have been using them for the last 2 years with no issues :smiley:
I did wonder about ringing Rimstyle who supplied them knowing what car they were for, and see what their thoughts were
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Guys, I think you need to think long and hard about lowering your tyre index without supporting information from VW, you are just asking for trouble :fighting2: from your insurer if you cannot justify your rational with hard evidence.
On my Audi A4 I went from a load index of 95 XL to 94 XL when I fitted winter tyres last winter, Audi UK couldn’t give me a definitive answer when I emailed them :stupid:(maybe I got the wrong person or dept.) A local dealer helped out; interestingly the Audi website now have a useful online tyre configurator http://www.audi.co.uk/owners-area/audi-tyres/online-quotation.html that shows different spec’s depending on wheel size/tyre size (which I think is similar to what the dealer used to confirm my tyres were suitable)
My car came with 235/40 R18 95Y summer tyres. However, If I drop to 17” it recommends 235/45 R17 93W but also recommends a load index of 94W on a couple of brands (because I was fitting winter tyres I went with a slightly thinner tyre 225 which is good practice and allows for snow chains to be fitted)
If I drop to 16” it recommends 205/55 R16 91V but also 215/55 R16 93V (for the wider tyre) If I drop to 15” :driver:(not sure they’ll fit over the brakes?) it recommends 195/65 R15 91H but also 205/65 R15 95H (wider tyre)
So there is variance on the load index issue; that said it appears to increase as the width of the tyre increases, I’m happy with the information I’ve got from Audi that I can safely run a 225/45 R17 94 winter tyre on my Audi A4.
I just think you’ll have a battle :fighting: on your hands with any insurer trying to convince them that using a lower Load index of 88 instead of 92 on your golf Gti/Ed30 when the width of tyre and size of wheel, are not being altered.
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Hmm... i get what you are saying.
Why dont they offer these tyres in higher load index?
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Hmm... i get what you are saying.
Why dont they offer these tyres in higher load index?
They are available in 225/40/18 92Y XL in the USA, my many emails to Michelin enquiring about the release of this size and load rating in the UK was answered with a gallic shrug and a 'non' due to the limited market and sales they expect in this size... :confused:
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whut??? after 205 55 16... 225 40 18 are probably the most common size. :confused:
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Hmm... i get what you are saying.
Why dont they offer these tyres in higher load index?
They are available in 225/40/18 92Y XL in the USA, my many emails to Michelin enquiring about the release of this size and load rating in the UK was answered with a gallic shrug and a 'non' due to the limited market and sales they expect in this size... :confused:
Maybe a petition from the forum and other forums would demonstrate an interest and they would consider it?
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Well i just commented on Michelins FB page https://www.facebook.com/MichelinUK so find my comment and like it and add your own comment! :happy2:
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:congrats:
We want:
- 225/45 R17 91Y
- 235/45 R17 93Y
- 225/40 R18 92Y
- 235/40 R18 93Y
- 225/35 R19 88Y or if possible higher
From what I remember they already make the PSS in 235/35 R19.
I know about other forums debating the same. Nobody does understand the policy
of Michelin Europe.
Surprisingly they make some thses sizes in their french factory. See at tirerack.com,
they list the country of origin for every size.
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Incredible that they aren't producing 225/40/18. It might have tempted me away from the F1 Assym 2...
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I spoke to Camskill and they suggested the 225/40/18/92 WOULD be available in Spring 2013.....
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I spoke to Camskill and they suggested the 225/40/18/92 WOULD be available in Spring 2013.....
Thats gonna be too late for me... im gonna need tyres in 2 months probably. :sad1:
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Please go and add the make and model of you car to this post please.... https://www.facebook.com/MichelinUK/posts/355138784582746
You never know.... :happy2: