MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Portent on August 21, 2012, 11:34:48 pm
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I would appreciate an opinion. I'm in the lucky position of having three cars in contention. The main two are:
2008 Pirelli - 26k miles - £14k but is a little untidy. VW dealer.
2006 mk5 R32 - 17k miles - £11k and is in superb condition. Independant dealer.
The ace in the hole for the R32 is that it's early March 2006 and therefore falls into the cheaper £270 tax bracket. I'm very much undecided on which I prefer. I have owned various VAG cars including GTI's and V6's and love them all. So I think it comes down to which is likely to hold its money better in the future.
The V6 is the last of its breed and so may become an enthusiasts car in the future. But the Pirelli was a very limited run (albeit 'just' a slightly different GTI).
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I would buy the Pirelli. Newer, but mainly because you won't see another. R32's are common as muck by comparison.
Although the sound of the R32 is just stunning.
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R32 still tempts me. That noise. There won't be cars like it for the foreseeable future. Get one! Think they'll become a cult car.
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I'd say R32 for sound and presence Pirelli for rarity and speed...
More details on the R32, might get myself lol
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Thanks for the comments so far.
E30Dom, I see you've changed at some point from an R32 to an E30. Any regrets? Mind if I ask why you changed?
I'm also of mixed mind about the rarity of the Pirelli. Yes it is incredibly rare but it's "just" an E30 with different wheels/seats/badge. Wheras the R32 is "just" a mk5 but has a unique engine and drivetrain. When I drove the Pirelli I liked the nimbleness of it compared to a heavier car. But currently owning a mk4 4motion I'd really miss the 4wd. I do aave a Corrado VR6 to recapture that V6 sound though so wouldn't be going cold turkey on aural pleasure (when that thing hits 5k all hell breaks loose :happy2:)
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With your 14k , I'd approach Greeners on here. his Pirelli is up for sale, and can tell you know ,it is absolutely Mint and superb spec. You won't be disappointed.
tell him I sent you :wink:
Oh and Pirelli is where my money would be.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,51042.0.html
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Thanks for the heads up on greeners car, but unfortunately I need a need a 5 door.
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An R32 for that price with only 17k sounds like a pretty tempting prospect. What sort of mileage will you do in it?
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Is it this one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4148166.htm
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An R32 for that price with only 17k sounds like a pretty tempting prospect. What sort of mileage will you do in it?
Is it this one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4148166.htm
Interior doesn't look to good for something so low on mileage...
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Yes that's the one. There are indeed a few marks on the interior, but then it is a6 year old car.
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i would say pirelli. Much more tuning potential, and a better looking car IMO. stick a R32 style milltek and rear bumper on it and u have the better end from both cars look wise. Lower fuel bills on the pirelli. cheaper insurance. cheaper servicing..
The only good bit about the r32 is the 4mo..
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if you're staying standard - R32
if you plan to modify - Pirelli (tho personally i'd look for a top spec Ed30 for the money you're looking to spend. i prefer the interior and alloys)
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R32... no question :happy2:
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This is the situation I was in when I ended up going for my GTI - I had the choice of both and decided on the GTI since it was still pretty quick, was cheaper to insure, tax etc and was in better nick...
I don't regret the decision I made, but every time I see an .:R32 driving about, that V6 soundtrack comes into my head and I can't help but think I should have took the chance to own one of the best-sounding 'daily drivers' ever made :confused: even if it is heavy, inefficient and makes less sense than the GTI; sometimes you have to buy with your heart :happy2:
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absolutely 100% ditto the above post.. :happy2:
edit.. last post previous page.
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Thanks for the comments so far.
E30Dom, I see you've changed at some point from an R32 to an E30. Any regrets? Mind if I ask why you changed?
I'm also of mixed mind about the rarity of the Pirelli. Yes it is incredibly rare but it's "just" an E30 with different wheels/seats/badge. Wheras the R32 is "just" a mk5 but has a unique engine and drivetrain. When I drove the Pirelli I liked the nimbleness of it compared to a heavier car. But currently owning a mk4 4motion I'd really miss the 4wd. I do aave a Corrado VR6 to recapture that V6 sound though so wouldn't be going cold turkey on aural pleasure (when that thing hits 5k all hell breaks loose :happy2:)
Yes I have loads of regrets selling my R32, i was getting pretty sorted... the sound is glorious, go well and the traction was soo much fun... i mean build the revs in an R32 from a t junction, dump the clutch and slingshot out with no drama/wheelspin... try that in an gti and you get wheel spin/wheel hop and understeer... Felt so uch more solid and stable, i had lightweight wheels, poly bushes, unibrace, kw v3's and h&R anti roll bars and it tracked like on rails literally.. it was quick enough, but and airfilter/exhaust makes it breath more easily... given the choice again I wouldn;t of sold it....
But saying that, after all the mods so far on the edition 30, it's becoming a little pocket rocket... and have gone too far with it now to take back tostandard and selling a stage 2 car will always be harder to get any money back... but always look at classifieds at R32, never for gtis/edition/pirellis... that must say something...
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Just to add to ED30DOM... I also had an R32 and went to a mk6 gti and now an ed30. I wish I still had the R32... imo its the best of the lot as an all round car. The only draw back is the mpg if you do lots of miles :happy2:
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I was averaging 29mpg to which i'm averaging 32mpg with the stage 2 edition... It's really not that bad, and i had a 55 plate, so was cheaper tax, but well worth the higher tax band ;)
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Thanks for the input guys. It's really appreciated. I'm getting around 29mpg in my mk4 4Motion and was ideally looking for better mpg... but my heart is saying R32. I must admit I did expect more of a leaning towards the GTI on a GTI forum.
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Imagine I give you a box. whatever is in it you can keep.
And it will be either the Pireilli or R32 keys
In it is the R32 keys
Is your immediate emotionally response joy or disappointment ?
Based on that you have your choice. :-)
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I have asked myself the same questions lately, and ever since the realisation that an R32 is no longer a crazy option in my circumstances, I don't even look at GTI/ED30's for sale.
That doesn't mean they aren't tremendous cars, but I'd rather have the planted feel of an R32.
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I do like the look and sound of the R32 , but knowing that my ed30 would leave an R32 in my rear view mirror , it's a no brainer for me.
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You will not be dissapointed with an R32... no cam belt changes either (chains on mk5 don;t see the issues the mk4s did), but do require a haldex change i think every 20k miles...
Have you test driven both?
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A test drive is always the decider and the choice is nearly always much more emotional and irrational than you might expect.
I love the R32 but it doesn't feel quite as nimble and is much thirstier. I seriously thought of chopping my Mk5 GTI for the Mk5 R32 when it came out and my dealer lent me one. I drove a 40-mile lap test route back-to-back but inspite of adoring the V6 sound I decided I slightly preferred my GTI. But it was close. Haldex with Race setting is a must.
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I've driven the pirelli but not yet the r32 so will try to do that this weekend. Coming from a 4mo I'm fairly used to large na engines with haldex.
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Late and Tidy ED30 or Pirelli deffo, R32 apart from sounding nicer cant touch either of them :happy2:
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I've driven the pirelli but not yet the r32 so will try to do that this weekend. Coming from a 4mo I'm fairly used to large na engines with haldex.
In which case you will realise the R32 is nicer to drive that the other 2. not only that... but its quicker too. :laugh:
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Horatio and I had a 57 plate DSG ED30 for just under a year, and we loved it.. as others have said, it is very quick, lighter than the R32 and you can really have some fun with it :smiley:. But just over a month ago the opportunity came up to get an 06 plate R32 (also DSG) which only had 13k miles and after taking it out for a test drive, the ED30 had to go.
We've had the R32 for just coming up to 6 weeks now, and whenever I look at it I can't stop smiling :love:, and whenever we drive it I can't stop smiling (and the sound of the engine is just awesome), and as great as the ED30 was, it didn't evoke quite that response. In terms of MPG I would say are averaging 30, have got 35 out of it so in real terms it doesn't feel much worse than the ED30. Unfortunately ours is a June 06 so has the obscene higher road tax, but it's worth it!
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I've driven the pirelli but not yet the r32 so will try to do that this weekend. Coming from a 4mo I'm fairly used to large na engines with haldex.
In which case you will realise the R32 is nicer to drive that the other 2. not only that... but its quicker too. :laugh:
That is until you map an edition30/pirrelli in which case even at stage1 would see off an R32 no problem. The edition30/pirrelli is much more modable than the R32 which again is a no brainer :happy2:
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I've driven the pirelli but not yet the r32 so will try to do that this weekend. Coming from a 4mo I'm fairly used to large na engines with haldex.
In which case you will realise the R32 is nicer to drive that the other 2. not only that... but its quicker too. :laugh:
I didn't think so.
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I was in exactly the same position.
In the end I went for the Pirelli and haven't regretted it one bit.
I had done the R32 thing with a MK4 so the itch had already been scratched.
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I have been in your shoes kind of. I had a 4 motion and loved every minute of it. So the natural thing was to get a R32 next and again loved it so much i bought a mk2 G60 running a R32 which was a bit different but loved the pull of the na engine. Then i bought a b6 S4 4.2 V8 and the R32 was a distant memory then i had to sell my S4 to fund a house purchase but it was fine as i still had the mk2 G60 with the R32 and that was going nowhere .... or so i thought. After talking to a few folk about the capabilities of the tfsi and how easy it was to tune i knew once i was in a position to buy again it would be something running this engine. So started looking at ed30's then came across a few pirelli's and my mind was made up after driving a few different ones i had to have the pirelli,and as for my mk2 G60 i have now sold the R32 conversion on and will be replacing it with a S3 tfsi set up in the coming winter months.
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I'm going to try to test drive the r32 this weekend. Im not convinced yet on the pirelli for several reasons. Not going to rush into.it so if either sell before i choose then its not a concern. There will be others.
To answer a few questions, this will be a family car so it wont be modified. My mileage will be around 8k a year. I tend to keep cars at least 3 or 4 years (ive owned the mk4 4mo for 8 years) and am very fussy about condition etc. strictly speaking we dont need haldex because I dont drive to work so if the winter snow is bad for a few days its not a problem. But my last two cars have had it and I can definitely feel the difference with a fwd car.
Still no nearer a decision but hope aome more test drives will make my mind up.
Question... For those that have swapped between ed30 or standard gti and r32, how much worse is the mpg in real world driving?
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Based on I was averaging 29 in the R and 32 in the edition I'd say it's 10% worse... But given the choice again, I'd get the R32...if your into modding, get an r32, coilovers, Arb's, poly bushes, unibrace, up rated haldex controller, then get is turbo'd for 400-475bhp, and you'll have a monster!
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I've driven the pirelli but not yet the r32 so will try to do that this weekend. Coming from a 4mo I'm fairly used to large na engines with haldex.
In which case you will realise the R32 is nicer to drive that the other 2. not only that... but its quicker too. :laugh:
I didn't think so.
They are not, I got bored of R32 drivers thinking they were quicker than my Eddie, point proven move on :P
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Move on lads, this "my car's faster than your car" bollocks is juvenile at best.
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^^^^
:popcornsoda:
It's also called willy waving and probably means that someone has a tiny willy
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Move on lads, this "my car's faster than your car" bollocks is juvenile at best.
+ 1 :indifferent:
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Who was waving their willy? Not moi, it's not worth it. :wink:
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I've driven the pirelli but not yet the r32 so will try to do that this weekend. Coming from a 4mo I'm fairly used to large na engines with haldex.
In which case you will realise the R32 is nicer to drive that the other 2. not only that... but its quicker too. :laugh:
I didn't think so.
They are not, I got bored of R32 drivers thinking they were quicker than my Eddie, point proven move on :P
Having owned both i disagree (and a Gti). On a dry track in a straight line you 'may' have a point. Any other conditions and the R32 has it. Not that its really a huge margin, in fact its small enough to be decided between a decent driver and a good driver.
However I fail to agree that the gti is nicer to drive than the r32 imo. :drinking:
my mpg was usually around 27mpg in the r32 over 30k usually short journeys <8miles. In the Ed30 I am getting 30-31mpg. Hot a huge difference, but as any one will tell you its not hard getting either of those down with a heavy right foot. :driver:
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Grrr all this talk of R32's... Lol
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I've driven the pirelli but not yet the r32 so will try to do that this weekend. Coming from a 4mo I'm fairly used to large na engines with haldex.
In which case you will realise the R32 is nicer to drive that the other 2. not only that... but its quicker too. :laugh:
I didn't think so.
They are not, I got bored of R32 drivers thinking they were quicker than my Eddie, point proven move on :P
Having owned both i disagree (and a Gti). On a dry track in a straight line you 'may' have a point. Any other conditions and the R32 has it. Not that its really a huge margin, in fact its small enough to be decided between a decent driver and a good driver.
Having driven both I disagree, that extra 15-18hp does not overcome the 200+kg extra weight :wink:, I personally (in my own experiences) think the ED30 is quicker on all but the wettest or twistiest of roads and is quicker off the mark, in gear acceleration 30-50, 50-70 (real world driving) etc the Eddie has it.
However I fail to agree that the gti is nicer to drive than the r32 imo. :drinking:
Never said which was nicer to drive, only that I preferred the more "nimble" Eddie, better brakes on the R32 tho.
my mpg was usually around 27mpg in the r32 over 30k usually short journeys <8miles. In the Ed30 I am getting 30-31mpg. Hot a huge difference, but as any one will tell you its not hard getting either of those down with a heavy right foot. :driver:
My mate averages 25mpg in his R32 (07 plate) and I average 30mpg in my Eddie on a fast cruise, on a gentle cruise it manages 35-36mpg
Both good cars tho, but like others have said a very slightly breathed on eddie will waste the R32 unless serious money is spent.
:signLOL:
:popcornsoda:
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I average 31 also... but i dont drive the ed30 like i used to drive the r32 :evilgrin: (time and place for everything)
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Plus you get bigger brakes standard, cooler blue dials, the better body kit, rear central exhaust... Cool chequered aluminium interior, xenons, 4wd, gorgeous v6 sound...
Damn, anyone wanna buy a stage 2 Eddie..
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Plus you get bigger brakes standard, cooler blue dials, the better body kit, rear central exhaust... Cool chequered aluminium interior, xenons, 4wd, gorgeous v6 sound...
Damn, anyone wanna buy a stage 2 Eddie..
Brakes yes, dials no thanks, body kits look very similar to Ed30 (only 2 models you can differentiate from std Golf GTI's), centre exhaust not a fan (Hence when I got TBE BCS i stuck with std look not centre (centre exhaust looks a bit chav to me, but ETTO), prefer the retro look ED30 interior, Xenons I have (as do a lot of ED30's), 4WD is a big miss, if my Ed30 was 4wd I would not be saving for a Golf R :grin:, V6 sound I dont miss (Had a Golf VR6 previously).
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Each to their own aye...
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Plus you get bigger brakes standard, cooler blue dials, the better body kit, rear central exhaust... Cool chequered aluminium interior, xenons, 4wd, gorgeous v6 sound...
Damn, anyone wanna buy a stage 2 Eddie..
Thought i'd chip in on this.
Brakes - good, but they are only there as standard due to the fact that the R32 weighs more than the moon!
Dials - no thanks, prefer the GTI
'Better' body kit - IMO the GTI has a nicer front end, but agree with the rear
Exhaust - tiny as standard, needs aftermarket
Interior aluminium - no thanks, prefer the GTI
IMO both are great cars for various reasons. definitely an ETTO job
Not many R32s could stick with your Ed30 Dom :happy2:
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The argument about speed between the ed30 and r32 is irrelevant!
If you want to just go really fast, but look like most other golfs on the road then you get a gti/ed30. If you want to stand out and have a big presence on the road you get the R32!
For me when I got my R32 I thought about the ed30 as it is the better choice for speed, but the R32 is the next level! Not for just speed but for the complete package it gives. When you get in and start it up you know your in something special!
I had a stg1 2010 Leon cupra before this and it would monster the R32 pretty much everywhere! It was faster and more nimble, and alot more fun to drive. But it comes nowhere near to the R32! I loved mine and miss it more each day! :( Hopefully ill have it back looking great soon!!
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It wasn't the top of the range Golf for nothing :P
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The argument about speed between the ed30 and r32 is irrelevant!
If you want to just go really fast, but look like most other golfs on the road then you get a gti/ed30. If you want to stand out and have a big presence on the road you get the R32!
For me when I got my R32 I thought about the ed30 as it is the better choice for speed, but the R32 is the next level! Not for just speed but for the complete package it gives. When you get in and start it up you know your in something special!
I had a stg1 2010 Leon cupra before this and it would monster the R32 pretty much everywhere! It was faster and more nimble, and alot more fun to drive. But it comes nowhere near to the R32! I loved mine and miss it more each day! :( Hopefully ill have it back looking great soon!!
But an R32 does not stand out visually :laugh: (only from behind with centre exhaust), otherwise to me they look just like an Eddie or a Pirelli, I only notice them and think "Its an Edition 30", then notice its just an R32 lump, only other time I notice them is when they pull up at side of me and I can hear the engine screaming trying to keep up :signLOL:
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It wasn't the top of the range Golf for nothing :P
Yup and then they dropped it and replaced the heavy lump with a more powerful Edition 30 engine and called it Golf R :signLOL:
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My Dads bigger than your Dad!! :booty:
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I take it all threads about GTI v R32 end up like this?
We should just forget them and get an S3 for 4WD or a Cupra for a fast FWD?
Yawn.
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It wasn't the top of the range Golf for nothing :P
Yup and then they dropped it and replaced the heavy lump with a more powerful Edition 30 engine and called it Golf R :signLOL:
because stringent emissions laws had nothing to do with it? i read the R was meant to be an R36 originally. the 2.0T was a 2nd choice for the top of the range engine :popcornsoda:
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What a load of utter Bollocks. :indifferent:
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The original topic was which ones better. Not faster. The op never asked the speed question, if he wanted all out power I don't think he wouldnt of asked the question In the first place as we all know it's the Eddie. I think general consensus is the r as a daily is hard to beat, plus feels more of an occasion when you drive it. Never going to be the quickest golf but an absolute expert at everything you want out of a car+ the rumble of the engine.
Drive both, your emotions will take care of the rest
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My Dads bigger than your Dad!! :booty:
Unless he is 6' 5" he aint :signLOL:
These eddie v Lump topics are great fun :signLOL: :signLOL:
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My Dads bigger than your Dad!! :booty:
Unless he is 6' 5" he aint :signLOL:
These eddie v Lump topics are great fun :signLOL: :signLOL:
But surely if you say 6' 5'' I have to say 6' 6''........... :rolleye:
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For the sake of clarity I'm really not bothered which is faster in a straight line. They are both more than quick enough for me and I'll usually have the family on board. But thanks so far :)
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R32 gives more sense of occasion...
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if you're staying standard - R32
if you plan to modify - Pirelli (tho personally i'd look for a top spec Ed30 for the money you're looking to spend. i prefer the interior and alloys)
+1. Exactly.
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My Dads bigger than your Dad!! :booty:
Unless he is 6' 5" he aint :signLOL:
These eddie v Lump topics are great fun :signLOL: :signLOL:
But surely if you say 6' 5'' I have to say 6' 6''........... :rolleye:
In that case your dad's bigger, but i'm sure my dad would knock your dad out :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Simply Test drive both cars !
See what you like, I did this and for me it had to be the R32 this was 20 months ago and I am still smiling :happy2:
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For the sake of clarity I'm really not bothered which is faster in a straight line. They are both more than quick enough for me and I'll usually have the family on board. But thanks so far :)
If this is the case (and the slightly extra cost of running cost doesnt bother you) then I would jump straight in the R32 and not look back. I found the ride more comfortable, less drama (see understeer for details), and its definatley more of a GT car than a hothatch (which is why you will find such a difference of opinion).
I found mine more stable than the gti but you could probably put this down to better weight distrubution and the AWD, which means you dont have to wait until its stone dry to 'show off' you are 0.001 sec faster in a straight line. :signLOL:
anyone want to buy a ED30 :jumpmove:
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If your looking for more power fromtuning then the R32 is a no go IMO.
But if your not after any more power and 255Hp is enough then R32 all day long. TBH i used to average 22mpg around town and 33mpg on the motorway in my vRS. Thats probably not much more than what an R32 gets is it?
On a side not, how does the R32 rate in the handling department compared to an Ed30 Stock v Stock? We know it has infinitely more grip, and also has better brakes, but is it that far behind in the handling front?
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If your looking for more power fromtuning then the R32 is a no go IMO.
But if your not after any more power and 255Hp is enough then R32 all day long. TBH i used to average 22mpg around town and 33mpg on the motorway in my vRS. Thats probably not much more than what an R32 gets is it?
On a side not, how does the R32 rate in the handling department compared to an Ed30 Stock v Stock? We know it has infinitely more grip, and also has better brakes, but is it that far behind in the handling front?
for what its worth the R32 was about 3secs per lap quicker than the GTI and around 2secs quicker per lap than a ED30 around the TG track. Over a regular length race the Ed30 would be getting lapped :booty: ..... not that it matters though of course :signLOL:
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This has got me looking at R32s lol.
it might force me to stop spending money on power mods
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I'm surprised at how many people would prefer the R32 over an ED30 especially on a GTi forum.
I went from an R32 to a Pirelli and I'm glad I did. The R32 is over weight and under powered.
The GTI just feels so much more nimble and the engine is great.
Don't think i'd go back to a naturally aspirated engine again.
With the 3.2 bing dropped in favour of the 2.0 litre turbo I think it shows which is the better option.
Look around its happening a lot.
BMW M5
Audi S4
New M3 when that comes out.
All going for smaller engines with charges and have better stats than their overweight predecessors.
Talking of the current S4 which went from a 4.2 V8 -> 3.0 with a charger. Does anyone know why the S5 has a V8 still?
Was it out earlier than the S4?
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Just noticed the facelift S5 will have the 3.0 fitted instead of the 4.2
Backs up the argument really why it's the better choice going for the 2.0T over the 3.2 in the golf.
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^^^^
Although we are essentially a GTI forum, one of the great things about most of us on here is that we are not blinkered and can appreciate other performance cars. Besides, the R32 is one of GTI's 'brothers' - Another version of the Golf.
I think that the move to smaller engines by car manufacturers has more to do with emissions and is forced by environmental considerations and rules.
I agree with you in finding the GTI more nimble than the R32 having test driven each back-to-back on a 40-mile lap on the same day. But it's ultimately down to individual preference.
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Having gone from a mk4 R32 for 2 years (which i loved dearly for its looks n sound track but knew that a remapped k03 gti would probably would woop mah a55), i then migrated to a 57 reg B7 Audi RS4 saloon\sprint blue\buckets\fbsw etc for over 3 years,selling it in feb this yr - what a magnificant epic car which honestly left me + my mrs dumbfounded by its performance and potenetial at times (against other supercars + superbikes!) and im an ex biker.....not much if anything could keep up.
I then started my own business (this year) and had no need ....eherrrm .....for a 4.2 v8 RS4 so unfortunately got rid >:( ..... Plus we got a dog which meant more than a car 8) but she was never meant to set foot in the RS! Gutted
Then bought a clio 197 and had a blast in that for a few months before passing that on to my girlfriend - crackin rev n rip go kart-esque approach. Didnt have the throttle response of the 182s my gf had test driven recently but preferred the modern looks and overall more modern feel etc.
Anyway just got my hands on an 06 leon fr tfsi at a great price and tbh cannot fault it.....at all. Stage 1 booked in for next week. (bwa lump)
Test driven several 8p K04 S3`s and although very impressive on boost, i actually dig the response my k03 offers n look forward to its remap offerings...
"similar torque" to the R32 and feels a lot more aggressive n quicker than the figures suggest.
Only my 2nd ever turbo'd car after an mr2 tubby 3sgte years ago....and have looked at ed30's n pirelli editions b4 aswell as mk5 r32s before ... I WOULD HONESTLY go for a Pirelli\Ed30 with a stage 1 remap and be happy with that..for many reasons.
I adored my mk 4 R32 (and much prefer a mk4 R32 over mk5s) sound track and my B7 RS4 was imho orgasmic although at times lacked low end grunt ... :o
However....fuel, road tax, insurance etc etc soon take its toll (although the RS4 was better on fuel on a run than the R32!) and
personal circumstance has a big SAY in it but for me as with anyone.. Having done the v6 4motion, R32 and 4.2 RS4 thang ..... Rightly or wrongly..regardless of my previous loves....I am uber impressed with my bwa leon tsi FR....and look forward to tweeking its n1pples til it squeels like a pig ;D
Did that help at all lol?
Probably not (well i am on pint number 9 after a dog walk/pub crawl lol)
8)
Get a pirelli plus remap....more nimble, tunable n "potentially" cheaper to run ;D .... Gulp
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I think that the move to smaller engines by car manufacturers has more to do with emissions and is forced by environmental considerations and rules.
Do you know what the actual deal is with this? I see it branded round a lot.
Is there actually something stopping VW putting massive engine in a golf?
While BMW and Mercedes and many others continue to put huge engines in their cars I don't understand why the likes of R32's are a dying breed.
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for what its worth the R32 was about 3secs per lap quicker than the GTI and around 2secs quicker per lap than a ED30 around the TG track. Over a regular length race the Ed30 would be getting lapped :booty: ..... not that it matters though of course :signLOL:
:indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
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for what its worth the R32 was about 3secs per lap quicker than the GTI and around 2secs quicker per lap than a ED30 around the TG track. Over a regular length race the Ed30 would be getting lapped :booty: ..... not that it matters though of course :signLOL:
:indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
funny you should say that... think thats what the R32 driver was doing as the gti crossed the line :grin:
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for what its worth the R32 was about 3secs per lap quicker than the GTI and around 2secs quicker per lap than a ED30 around the TG track. Over a regular length race the Ed30 would be getting lapped :booty: ..... not that it matters though of course :signLOL:
:indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
funny you should say that... think thats what the R32 driver was doing as the gti crossed the line :grin:
Lol :congrats: :grin: :happy2:
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for what its worth the R32 was about 3secs per lap quicker than the GTI and around 2secs quicker per lap than a ED30 around the TG track. Over a regular length race the Ed30 would be getting lapped :booty: ..... not that it matters though of course :signLOL:
:indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
funny you should say that... think thats what the R32 driver was doing as the gti crossed the line :grin:
Lol :congrats: :grin: :happy2:
Where would an S3 come up in this little lap test?
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for what its worth the R32 was about 3secs per lap quicker than the GTI and around 2secs quicker per lap than a ED30 around the TG track. Over a regular length race the Ed30 would be getting lapped :booty: ..... not that it matters though of course :signLOL:
:indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
funny you should say that... think thats what the R32 driver was doing as the gti crossed the line :grin:
Lol :congrats: :grin: :happy2:
Where would an S3 come up in this little lap test?
Understeered into a grass verge probably :wink:
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VW Golf Mk V R32 - 1:30.40 :P
VW Golf Mk V GTI Edition 30 - 1:32.60 :jumpmove:
VW Golf Mk V GTI - 1:33.70 :chicken:
Renault Megane R26.R - 1:28.10 :congrats:
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VW Golf Mk V R32 - 1:30.40 :P
VW Golf Mk V GTI Edition 30 - 1:32.60 :jumpmove:
VW Golf Mk V GTI - 1:33.70 :chicken:
Renault Megane R26.R - 1:28.10 :congrats:
And I'm full of sh*t you say :signLOL:
:happy2:
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VW Golf Mk V R32 - 1:30.40 :P
VW Golf Mk V GTI Edition 30 - 1:32.60 :jumpmove:
VW Golf Mk V GTI - 1:33.70 :chicken:
Renault Megane R26.R - 1:28.10 :congrats:
And I'm full of sh*t you say :signLOL:
:happy2:
do you have any other figures? :chicken:
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No, but I'm still waiting for my written quote that says an Edition 30 is crap though :popcornsoda:
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Bored, bored, bored! :indifferent:
I think the OP has more than enough info, even if he did state pages ago that he wasn't going to mod!! :rolleye: