MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: R32UK on August 27, 2012, 09:30:45 pm
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EDITION 30 Times
Oschersleben 1:54.30
Hockenheim Short 1:20.30
Autozeitung test track 1:49.20
Top Gear Track 1:32.60
R32 times
Oschersleben 1:52.44 FASTER
Hockenheim Short 1:19.30 FASTER
Autozeitung test track 1:47.80 FASTER
Top Gear Track 1:30.40 FASTER
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Aren't you better of going and posting this crap on R23OC? :indifferent:
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im sorry did you miss the gti times posted? :P
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he has a pirelli n u have an ed30?!?
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Couldn't give two sh*ts to be honest...........
My kids have more interesting things to say.
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Does anyone care about lap times set by somebody else? Could you get either round in them times? Pub talk. Some like 32s, some gtis and some understand the differance between 2 cars and appreciate both.
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Aren't you better of going and posting this crap on R23OC? :indifferent:
R23? :laugh:
i thought you were after an R32 Nath?
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Couldn't give two sh*ts to be honest...........
My kids have more interesting things to say.
.. i dont remember asking you post a reply. I just thought they were interesting facts as they relate to a gti. anyone would think you are bothered
Does anyone care about lap times set by somebody else? Could you get either round in them times? Pub talk. Some like 32s, some gtis and some understand the differance between 2 cars and appreciate both.
No one realy cares.. and does it make much of a difference? Not really.... just some interesting facts thats all.
I just find it amusing that some people act like they made the cars themselves and take it as a personal insult.
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Wow so a R32 is all of 2 seconds faster....big deal :/ :indifferent:
Thanks for wasting all of our time with a rather pointless troll :happy2:
If you love your car you don't care if its 2 seconds faster or slower than the next guy...its your car...your pride and joy...arguing over 2 seconds is just a lot of "you know what" waving...
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I am looking at another R23 ( :laugh: ) yeh and I've already owned one and a ST2+ Ed30, but to be honest all this willy waving is getting a bit tedious!!
Surely this road has been travelled down so many times even the council have given up with the resurfacing!! :rolleye:
You forget, I have to read this bilge when you lot choose too! :signLOL:
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Wow so a R32 is all of 2 seconds faster....big deal :/ :indifferent:
Thanks for wasting all of our time with a rather pointless troll :happy2:
If you love your car you don't care if its 2 seconds faster or slower than the next guy...its your car...your pride and joy...arguing over 2 seconds is just a lot of "you know what" waving...
ok.. i will let go of your arm now! you can go read much more important stuff. might save you 2 secs you would have lost in a gti :pomppomp:
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It's all light hearted banter, let's not take it too seriously or personal.
I'm quite interested as I love both cars and have owned both.
I believe the ED30 has a slightly better power /weight ratio so I can only imagine the R32 gains on the ED30 because of the 4 wheel drive.
Does anyone have any of the following stats for comparison?
R32 and ED30 1/4 mile times (standard cars)
And how about a rocco R vs a Golf R on the tracks posted above?
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You belong here dont you mate lol >> http://www.r32oc.com/topic/19288-shown-up-by-an-edition-30/
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And how about a rocco R vs a Golf R on the tracks posted above?
The Golf R is faster than the Rocco R on 3 out of 4 of those tracks (Golf R has no time for the Top Gear test track).
Both of the above are faster than the R32 on those tracks too. :smiley:
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That surprises me actually!
As much as I love my Edition 30 though, i'd really consider selling it to build a turbo'd DSG R32...
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Am I correct in thinking a rocco R and Golf R are pretty much the same engine/power/weight wise and the main difference is one is 2 wheel drive and the other is 4 wheel drive?
It would be interested to run an R32 in front wheel drive mode to see how much time the 4wd saved
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it's not quote that straight forward, because you'd have to factor in the extra weight too...
only real way to do it i suppose is to take other VAG cars that have a FWD and 4WD variant and pit them against each other, so Golf TDI 140 vs 4motion, A3 2.0T vs quattro etc.
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You belong here dont you mate lol >> http://www.r32oc.com/topic/19288-shown-up-by-an-edition-30/
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a 330bhp Ed30 beats a std R32 in a straight line. Now there is a shocking fact!!! :signLOL:
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Who cares :indifferent:
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Who cares :indifferent:
People who are interested in the discussion. If you are not, then its very easy to skip this thread. :drinking:
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Dear SteveP, please can we have the ignore button back.
Lots of luv 'n' kisses, Hedge. :star:
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Ok well coming from an r32 mk4 and was going to buy a mk5 with recaros I will say this the r32 is a nice car but it's underpowered and has rubbish haldex and is not as much fun to drive as an ed30 and is no where near as cheap to mod as an ed30. The only thing the r32 does is sound good but it was always going to sound good with a v6 but for me it's fwd with power and a diff or rwd for fun driving haldex is poo unless it's got a race haldex setup but it ETTO would be crap if we all liked the same cars (I do like the r32 but after owning one and modding one it's not for me)
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Ok well coming from an r32 mk4 and was going to buy a mk5 with recaros I will say this the r32 is a nice car but it's underpowered and has rubbish haldex and is not as much fun to drive as an ed30 and is no where near as cheap to mod as an ed30. The only thing the r32 does is sound good but it was always going to sound good with a v6 but for me it's fwd with power and a diff or rwd for fun driving haldex is poo unless it's got a race haldex setup but it ETTO would be crap if we all liked the same cars (I do like the r32 but after owning one and modding one it's not for me)
there we go.... im sure many will agree with that, and hopefully someone has found that very helpful :happy2:
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thanks for your input... im sure many will find that helpful :fighting2:
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Yeah and my Dad's bigger than your Dad! :signLOL:
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I remember when you had your 32 I was around when Wayne started the r32 oc site from day one and met some good guys on that site. Why are u in an ed30 If you like the 32 so much ?
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I remember when you had your 32 I was around when Wayne started the r32 oc site from day one and met some good guys on that site. Why are u in an ed30 If you like the 32 so much ?
Because the ed30 is more fun
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I remember when you had your 32 I was around when Wayne started the r32 oc site from day one and met some good guys on that site. Why are u in an ed30 If you like the 32 so much ?
Mainly down to milage. Not to mention the ed30 is cheaper. Boot space is a problem as I often carry a full load at least twice a week :sad1:
For what its worth it really makes no difference to me... I just find it very amusing when evey GTI owner thinks he is faster than an R32 because people on a forum say a car is 'too heavy' or 'too slow' when in reality you put some track figures down and everyones comments change to 'we dont care', 'heard it all before', 'troll' :scared: :grin:
As said.... it really makes no difference to me as I use mine as a daily driver and like to have a blast every now and then. I find the power much more difficult to get down on greasy roads in the ED30 and it does not handle as well as the R32.... granted you have to adopt 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT driving styles to get the best out of both. tbh I think this is where much of the problem is... try driving a R32 like a GTi and you will struggle. I also found the R32 to be a totally different animal with the ESP off. :happy2:
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looking at if from another point of view, he had a MkV R32, and now has the MkV Ed30, but he preferred his R32 as an overall car.
And tbh he's not comparing modified vs stock, he comparing stock v stock.
For me stock ed30 v Stock R32, id take the R32 all day long. If you were to change the Ed30 for a stock Golf R then id have the R instantly.
I love the haldex handling and grip of the Golf R, much more than i do the cupra, vRS etc, its just got to be driven completely different
Regarding the R32, in the grand scheme of things is 250hp actually slow as an everyday car?
Surprised how much quicker the R32 is than the Ed30 on lap times, especially considering the power to weight ratio when both are stock is neigh on identical.
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Are they all done by the same driver ? If not then the stats are pointless :evilgrin:
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Are they all done by the same driver ? If not then the stats are pointless :evilgrin:
Don't think so
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Are they all done by the same driver ? If not then the stats are pointless :evilgrin:
Don't think so
No i wouldnt have thought so either. Apart from the TG track times... but its hard to ignore the general trend that the R32 seems to make up for the lower power/weight ratio around a track.
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Surprised how much quicker the R32 is than the Ed30 on lap times, especially considering the power to weight ratio when both are stock is neigh on identical.
why? it's quicker than the BMW 130i around the Top Gear test track too, and that's a rear wheel drive "Ultimate Driving Machine".
lap times are meaningless in the real life, but clearly it's a quick car.
i know what the OP is trying to do - he's trying to make a serious point in a slightly farcical way. ultimately all he's trying to say is that to compare them directly would be to miss the point. they are different, and to different people one is better than another but there is no subjective or objective measure that will separate them.
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Mat,
Programmable race Haldex controller......any good?
I've been offered one at a decent price that is for the .:R and have been sitting on the fence over it!
Back on topic I've driven both the Ed30 and the R32. If they both were stock then for an all weather A to B car the R32 is definitely the better car. With like for like handling mods I'd reckon the R32 would still be the better car too, factor in all weather grip and you'd go for the R32 every time. However factor in fuel consumption and tune ability and the ED30 is easily the obvious car to go for. In fact just adding a remap it would be the ED30.
Give the ED30 4WD and some extra power, call it a MKVI Golf .:R and you have the best of both worlds :wink:
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Yeah John makes the system work better. Which one is it ?
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i know what the OP is trying to do - he's trying to make a serious point in a slightly farcical way. ultimately all he's trying to say is that to compare them directly would be to miss the point. they are different, and to different people one is better than another but there is no subjective or objective measure that will separate them.
:happy2: excatly!
It just seems that on here (which is understandable being a gti forum) that every one raves on about the same 'points' and the same conclusion is reached everytime. Its always nice to hear a more balanced discussion and real opinions of people that have owned both.
... an open discussion if you like of real experiences and positives and negatives about each is going to be much more helpful to someone looking over this thread than someone that puts ' :indifferent:'
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Just to add... my biggest gripe about the ed30 has to be the turbo lag. Whilst its great when it gets going and screams all the way to the red line, I found my (revo'd) k03 mk6 gti much more responsive and probably very similar in performance to a mapped Ed30.
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Is your ed30 mapped?
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How much difference does mapping make to pick up ? I miss the ko3 spool up time a bit now I have a ko4
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You can't change the point at which they spool however what that means is the K04 can last longer up the rev range where the K03 starts to run out of breath.
The Mk6 GTI is an IHI turbo not a K03. :smiley:
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Is your ed30 mapped?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,52671.0.html :wink:
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You can't change the point at which they spool however what that means is the K04 can last longer up the rev range where the K03 starts to run out of breath.
The Mk6 GTI is an IHI turbo not a K03. :smiley:
Im pretty sure the mk6 gti is a k03... but i stand to be corrected.
The k03 definately spools quicker than the k04.
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You can't change the point at which they spool however what that means is the K04 can last longer up the rev range where the K03 starts to run out of breath.
The Mk6 GTI is an IHI turbo not a K03. :smiley:
Im pretty sure the mk6 gti is a k03... but i stand to be corrected.
The k03 definately spools quicker than the k04.
the Mk6 is definitely an IHI turbo
and i believe Stattler said he had some dyno runs that demonstrated that the K04 doesn't spool any slower than a K03
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You can't change the point at which they spool however what that means is the K04 can last longer up the rev range where the K03 starts to run out of breath.
The Mk6 GTI is an IHI turbo not a K03. :smiley:
Im pretty sure the mk6 gti is a k03... but i stand to be corrected.
The k03 definately spools quicker than the k04.
the Mk6 is definitely an IHI turbo
and i believe Stattler said he had some dyno runs that demonstrated that the K04 doesn't spool any slower than a K03
Dont IHI make a k03 turbo? It slightly different to the turbo on the mk5 GTi but a k03 none the less?? :ashamed:
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the K03 is made by Borg Warner, which is a different company to IHI.
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And the same company that make the K04.
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You can't change the point at which they spool however what that means is the K04 can last longer up the rev range where the K03 starts to run out of breath.
The Mk6 GTI is an IHI turbo not a K03. :smiley:
Im pretty sure the mk6 gti is a k03... but i stand to be corrected.
The k03 definately spools quicker than the k04.
the Mk6 is definitely an IHI turbo
and i believe Stattler said he had some dyno runs that demonstrated that the K04 doesn't spool any slower than a K03
Can't say I notice slower spooling on the ED30 K04 than on my previous K03 GTI :happy2:
Power to weight ratio (from Hurdy's post on Golfgtiforum):-
MKIV R32 power to weight is around 163bhp/ton
MKV R32 power to weight is around 166bhp/ton :smiley:
MKV GTI power to weight is around 151bhp/ton
MKV ED30 power to weight is around 173bhp/ton :P
All based on std manufacturer quoted figures, we all know that ED30's tend to make more than that and maybe the R32 does too?.
Wonder if when this thread will get locked too?
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Yeah John makes the system work better. Which one is it ?
The HPA gen 4 one with remote control.
http://www.hpamotorsports.com/haldex.htm
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That will make a huge difference to the car I would think and being able to adjust it when u want will be even better
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Can't say I notice slower spooling on the ED30 K04 than on my previous K03 GTI :happy2:
I figure this could well be down the different maps I have been running. Blufin v Revo.... which is a whole different can o worms :signLOL:
The gti was definately more eager after a map.
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Can't say I notice slower spooling on the ED30 K04 than on my previous K03 GTI :happy2:
I figure this could well be down the different maps I have been running. Blufin v Revo.... which is a whole different can o worms :signLOL:
The gti was definately more eager after a map.
Maybe but as my K03 was only stage 1 and K04 stage 2 but they felt similar, if anything K04 may be 100-150rpm later but not noticeable tbh, what is noticeable is that the K04 keeps pulling up to 6500 and somewhat upto 7000rpm, whereas the K03 seemed to run out of steam at 5500rpm
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Can't say I notice slower spooling on the ED30 K04 than on my previous K03 GTI :happy2:
I figure this could well be down the different maps I have been running. Blufin v Revo.... which is a whole different can o worms :signLOL:
The gti was definately more eager after a map.
Maybe but as my K03 was only stage 1 and K04 stage 2 but they felt similar, if anything K04 may be 100-150rpm later but not noticeable tbh, what is noticeable is that the K04 keeps pulling up to 6500 and somewhat upto 7000rpm, whereas the K03 seemed to run out of steam at 5500rpm
without doubt the 04 pulls harder for longer. I think I read somewhere that the k04 turbo kicks in around 2400rpm. not sure about about k03 or the IHI on the mk6.
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Are they all done by the same driver ? If not then the stats are pointless :evilgrin:
....Exactly!
Put a professional racing driver (or advanced trainer) in a car versus a higher performance car driven by someone less expert and guess who will achieve the faster lap time.
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without doubt the 04 pulls harder for longer. I think I read somewhere that the k04 turbo kicks in around 2400rpm. not sure about about k03 or the IHI on the mk6.
....The K03 on my Stage 2 Revo Mk5 GTI kicks in at just under 2,000 rpm. For enthusiastic road driving but without getting into licence losing territory, that suits very well indeed.
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without doubt the 04 pulls harder for longer. I think I read somewhere that the k04 turbo kicks in around 2400rpm. not sure about about k03 or the IHI on the mk6.
....The K03 on my Stage 2 Revo Mk5 GTI kicks in at just under 2,000 rpm. For enthusiastic road driving but without getting into licence losing territory, that suits very well indeed.
That sounds about right Robin. There is no doubt that the k04 offers the larger gains overall but I have to be honest and say a remaped gti feels a little more 'sprightly' for everyday driving. Which is probably where my preference of the R32 comes in.... its much easier to get your speed up when you are looking for it, although that said I can confess that the R32 used to be driven much harder than the GTi has.
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without doubt the 04 pulls harder for longer. I think I read somewhere that the k04 turbo kicks in around 2400rpm. not sure about about k03 or the IHI on the mk6.
....The K03 on my Stage 2 Revo Mk5 GTI kicks in at just under 2,000 rpm. For enthusiastic road driving but without getting into licence losing territory, that suits very well indeed.
That sounds about right Robin. There is no doubt that the k04 offers the larger gains overall but I have to be honest and say a remaped gti feels a little more 'sprightly' for everyday driving. Which is probably where my preference of the R32 comes in.... its much easier to get your speed up when you are looking for it, although that said I can confess that the R32 used to be driven much harder than the GTi has.
Would that have something to do with the V6 Roarrrrrrrrrr
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I can confess that the R32 used to be driven much harder than the GTi has.
Would that have something to do with the V6 Roarrrrrrrrrr
....Most definitely!!!!
When I test drove my GTI with a R32 back-to-back over a 40-mile lap with every kind of road in it, I found myself often in licence losing territory and also needed to find a petrol station much sooner than expected!
I've also driven a modified Mk4 R32 and a modified Mk5 R32 with Haldex Race setting and enjoyed both very much indeed. The V6 is a glorious sound and one which I can't get enough of. If the Mk5 .:R32 had come out earlier I would be in one now.... And of course it would be red!