MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Tortaruga on September 04, 2012, 07:51:25 pm
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Launched today - it does have a quarterlight!
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A few more pics here - http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/09/all-new-2013-volkswagen-golf-mk7-this.html
I like it :happy2:
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The interior looks bloody lovely. I'd buy it just for that.
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The boot lid and rear lights are doing nothing for me, and I suspect the front will be far more aggressive on the GTI and R models, but overall I'm pleasantly surprised.
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The boot lid and rear lights are doing nothing for me, and I suspect the front will be far more aggressive on the GTI and R models, but overall I'm pleasantly surprised.
X2 I have never been a fan of the rear end on a golf, but the rest of the car gives a good impression at first glance. That usually means for me it will be a looker.
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I like it, But not the fuel filler flap,It looks awkward, Wouldn't stop me buying one though
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Very nice, good strong modern lines and appears to be very upmarket inside.
Deeper front end on the GTI/R will look quite aggressive.
Now.... about the important bits??
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I don't like the boot lid nor the front. I do like the rest of the exterior.
With the interior, some of it very smart like the passenger dash strip. Some of it looks too busy IMO. Need to see one in the flesh.
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Me likey. Be nice to see how the hot ones turn out. :happy2:
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I like it but want to see how they make it look for the gti and r versions.
Is it my eyes playing up or is the RNS and centre console angled towards the driver slightly??
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Not bad..........not bad.
Just another honest - good looking car from VW.
Waiting for the hot ones...!!!
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I like it but want to see how they make it look for the gti and r versions.
Is it my eyes playing up or is the RNS and centre console angled towards the driver slightly??
You are correct! Says it's angled on steves link :happy2:
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More pictures on my Flickr!!! :happy2:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukedeakin/sets/72157629480036443/
Full press release:
SEVENTH GENERATION VOLKSWAGEN GOLF BREAKS COVER IN BERLIN
The all-new Volkswagen Golf has been unveiled in Berlin, 36 years after the original model redefined the small family car. The seventh generation Golf builds on the success of its predecessors, of which over 29 million have been sold, bringing new levels of comfort, practicality, safety and efficiency to the class.
Despite offering more room for passengers and more advanced technological features than ever before, new production techniques contribute to the Mk VII Golf being up to 100 kg lighter than the car it replaces, helping to make it up to 23 per cent more efficient than before. On top of this, the new Golf is also safer than ever, thanks not just to a stronger body structure (which is also 23 kg lighter) but also to a raft of standard and optional passive and active safety systems.
The new Golf is built on the so-called MQB (Modularer Querbaukasten) platform or Modular Transverse Matrix. This standardises many vehicle component parameters across brands and vehicle classes, and allows access to new powertrains and technologies, including innovations in the areas of safety and infotainment, which until now were reserved for vehicles in higher segments.
At 4,255 mm long, the new Golf is 56 mm longer than its predecessor, with a 59 mm longer wheelbase of 2,637 mm. The front wheels are 43 mm further forward, helping to generate more interior space, while the Golf is also 13 mm wider, at 1,799 mm, and 28 mm lower, at 1,452 mm. This helps to create a 10 per cent improvement in the drag co-efficient, which is now 0.27 Cd.
Though the new car’s dimensions are larger, its overall design is unmistakeably that of a Golf, thanks to a design DNA that has evolved through the decades. Walter de Silva, Head of Design for Volkswagen AG, said: ‘One of the keys to the Golf’s success lies in its continuity. There are a handful of cars with a design that, like the Golf’s, has been refined, tweaked and enhanced down the decades and thus become timeless.’
Inside the Golf there is more room than ever. Rear legroom is improved by 15 mm, and the front seats have been moved 20 mm further back, benefitting taller drivers. Front shoulder room is improved by 31 mm to 1,420 mm (at the rear it is 30 mm wider) and elbow room by 22 mm to 1,469 mm (20 mm wider at the rear). There is more room for luggage, too: the boot is 30 litres larger, at 380 litres, with a low 685 mm sill to make loading effortless. The front passenger seat can also optionally fold fully forward, creating a loadspace which is up to 2,412 mm long.
In the cockpit, the centre console is now angled more towards the driver, giving them easier, more ergonomic and direct access to auxiliary controls, including the new generation of touchscreen infotainment systems that is available on the Golf. All Golf models now have touchscreen systems as standard, starting in the UK with a 5.8-inch colour display system, and rising to the range-topping satellite navigation system with eight-inch colour display. It operates with finger gestures that will be familiar to smartphone users. Features include DAB digital radio, auxiliary inputs (including USB), Bluetooth telephone preparation and access to vehicle trip information.
Between the front seats, space is increased by virtue of the new electronic parking brake with auto-hold feature. And for the first time in a Volkswagen, the compartment under the centre armrest optionally includes a universal phone holder with inductive aerial, which not only increases the signal strength of a phone placed in it, but also reduces the drain on the phone’s battery.
The new Golf also features a number of innovative standard safety systems, while optional systems include many previously only available on vehicles in a class above. Standard on all new Golf models is a multi-collision brake system. This automatically brakes the vehicle after a collision, to reduce kinetic energy significantly and thus minimise the chance of a second impact. Research in Germany shows that around a quarter of accidents involving personal injury are multi-collision events. Also standard is the PreCrash system that made its debut on the Touareg. If it detects the possibility of an accident, it pre-tensions seatbelts and closes the windows and sunroof, leaving just a small gap, to ensure the best possible protection from the airbags.
Other electronic aids include Adaptive Cruise Control (standard in the UK from SE models upwards), which uses radar sensors to maintain a set distance from the vehicle in front; Front Assist, which can bring the vehicle to a complete stop and operates at speeds of up to 150 km/h (approx. 93 mph); and City Emergency Braking, which operates at up to 30 km/h (approx. 19 mph), and can reduce or prevent the chance of accidents occurring. A Driver Alert System, as introduced on the Passat, monitors the driver’s inputs, to detect any signs of tiredness; while a camera-operated Lane Assist system can help keep the car in a specific lane, providing countersteering assistance where necessary. A Dynamic Light Assist system optionally masks the vehicle’s high beam lighting, making for brilliant illumination without dazzling on-coming traffic.
The Golf’s steering now uses a variable ratio system that offers more agile steering in dynamic driving situations, while ensuring high-speed stability, and easy manoeuvring in the city. Specify the latest generation Park Assist, and the new Golf will even park itself in a space no more than 80 cm longer than the vehicle.
For the first time, the Golf is also available with driver profile selection, which allows the driver to choose from four modes – Eco, Sport, Normal and Individual; with a DSG gearbox a fifth option – Comfort – is also offered. Each of these modes alters the throttle mapping and engine management (among other parameters) to the chosen style, so in Eco mode, for example, the engine management, air conditioning and ancillary systems are controlled to achieve maximum fuel consumption.
Powering the Golf is a new range of petrol and diesel engines, all of which incorporate Stop/Start and battery regeneration systems. At launch, the petrol engines are a 1.2-litre TSI 85 PS unit returning 4.9 l/100 km (around 57.6 mpg and 113 g/km), and a 1.4-litre TSI 140 PS unit with Active Cylinder Technology, which can deactivate two of the cylinders, and achieves up to 4.8 l/100 km (58.9 mpg and 112 g/km). The launch diesel engines are a 1.6-litre unit with 105 PS, which returns 3.8 l/100 km (74.3 mpg and 99 g/km), and a 2.0-litre 150 PS unit which returns 4.1 l/100 km (68.9 mpg and 106 g/km).
Further details on the new Golf will be revealed at the Paris Motor Show. The car will go on sale from October, with the first UK deliveries expected in January 2013.
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How does the electronic handbrake work?
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Like my A6's - bloody annoyingly. :signLOL:
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Oh herrow!!!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295933_280225988758590_116286871_n.jpg)
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The interior is awesome !!!
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I didnt have the 'I don't like that' reaction I usually get with new cars, so that is a good sign.
First thoughts, looks decent. Want to see the hot versions :happy2:
^^Is that GTI pic official?
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Oh herrow!!!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295933_280225988758590_116286871_n.jpg)
Oh me likey :love:
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I don't know if it's a real GTI or an impression based on the 7?
The more I look, the more I think no. Wrong door handles, and some other bits don't ring true. Who knows though.
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That GTI isn't an official image. The petrol flap is circular and there's no quarterlight.
Looks a bit like a barstewardsised A3 - it looks quite smart.
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Apparently the entry level car weighs just 1050kg. Pretty amazing.
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very nice , the performance models are going to look awesome :laugh:
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Is it just me or does the back end look like something a Vauxhall should be wearing?, the rest of the car looks great!
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Apparently the entry level car weighs just 1050kg. Pretty amazing.
Added lightness. :wink:
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The angled centre console is very BMW but with a touch of Audi styling to the interior.
Far too much silver trim bits for my liking though. The interior dashboard looks too upmarket for a Golf.
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How does the electronic handbrake work?
....I expect the same as on the more upmarket Audi's - A button. The S4 loaner I had, had one - Didn't quite feel right somehow, not confidence inspiring although it does work!
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The interior dashboard looks too upmarket for a Golf.
Haven't you seen how much they cost these days?
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I must admit if this is the Mk7 Golf then I am looking forward to the Mk3 Octavia. :smiley:
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The interior dashboard looks too upmarket for a Golf.
Haven't you seen how much they cost these days?
....Sure, ALL of the latest car versions cost more than they used to - It's all relative. It doesn't make the Golf an upmarket car. Well designed and built, yes. But the Golf is not a brand with high status.
Anyway, it has some good new features (although quite a few I would want to switch off) and it offers more luxury to those who want that sort of thing.
Being lighter weight is promising, and being lower and wider, but also note that it's longer and with a longer wheelbase and so overall an even bigger car.
I don't like like the rear styling and am not excited by the front but it's the Mk7 GTI and R which is of much more interest. I think, subject to seeing one, that I like it more than the Mk6 (the exception being the Mk6 Golf R).
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Far too much silver trim bits for my liking though.
It's true that brushed aluminium (or plastic effect) is a current trend. However I think in the photos it looks well considered, i.e. it's used sparingly to accentuate the interior. Some cars have great swathes of the stuff plastered around the dash and it does look vile. I think VW & Audi do restraint quite well.
As a designer I know it can be difficult not to do too much, whilst also avoiding blandness. It's a common theme with artists who commonly say a work looks best half an hour before it's finished.
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Far too much silver trim bits for my liking though.
It's true that brushed aluminium (or plastic effect) is a current trend. However I think in the photos it looks well considered, i.e. it's used sparingly to accentuate the interior. Some cars have great swathes of the stuff plastered around the dash and it does look vile. I think VW & Audi do restraint quite well.
As a designer I know it can be difficult not to do too much, whilst also avoiding blandness. It's a common theme with artists who commonly say a work looks best half an hour before it's finished.
....I agree. But I'm a designer too (retired) and so I would be likely to agree.
All I'm saying is that this current trend is not to my taste and I personally prefer a car interior which is more funky and less fashion. I like Porsche dashboards best.
I think that VW have designed a version of the Golf with the Mk7 which most people will love - More so than the Mk6 basic Golf.
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Oh herrow!!!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295933_280225988758590_116286871_n.jpg)
If the GTI looks close to this pic' with that interior (plus the usual GTI bling) I'm sold. :happy2:
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Oh herrow!!!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295933_280225988758590_116286871_n.jpg)
If the GTI looks close to this pic' with that interior (plus the usual GTI bling) I'm sold. :happy2:
....I agree - That looks far more exciting and especially in red. (Black roof noted :wink:)
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How much for a poverty spec GTI when it appears, £30k?
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How much for a poverty spec GTI when it appears, £30k?
....Totally guessing but I reckon ~£27k. Which is ~£25k of yesterday's money and so VW will market it as being the same price level.
They are certainly offering much more basic spec for the money but I don't want assist this and assist that, ACC etc. I don't even want Cruise Control or heated seats. But that's just me.
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http://www.carclips.net/hdvideo/2348/Brandaktuell-VW-praesentiert-Golf-VII-in-Berlin
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Can't say i'm completely blown away by the pictures yet, the interior is very nice yes but the exterior? The back end could definitely use some work and yes the lights definitely aren't very VW. The front isn't bad, decent angles but not really a huge leap forward from the mark 6. Good that more equipment will be offered for your money though! I'm sure it'll grow on me over time and i'm sure the GTI version will look awesome to be fair! Hope it has the usual fantastic front grill atleast!
Didn't I read somewhere that the mark 7's are 30% cheaper to produce than the previous model? Something to do with that new lightweight material they're using on the roof and bonnet and also why it's so light! Guess they won't pass those savings on to the customer though!
Excited to see the GTI! :drinking:
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http://www.carclips.net/hdvideo/2348/Brandaktuell-VW-praesentiert-Golf-VII-in-Berlin
....That vid shows that the lines are much more angular and not as soft as the Mk5/6. You can particularly see it in the windscreen shape.
Unfortunately I like it less because of that.
It does indeed have quarter-lights. They have punched out the previously solid triangles where the wing mirrors were mounted. A clever way of probably increasing visibility.
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The interior dashboard looks too upmarket for a Golf.
Haven't you seen how much they cost these days?
....Sure, ALL of the latest car versions cost more than they used to - It's all relative. It doesn't make the Golf an upmarket car. Well designed and built, yes. But the Golf is not a brand with high status.
It's most certainly mid-market, and I think GTI and R models are percieved as being upmarket. I do think it has a high status, and that's not because I own one.
Plus, remember what we're seeing are the top spec interiors. Those on entry level cars are bound to look more functional. All-in-all they have no option but to move with the times.
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We're being shown the upmarket interiors (and going on current pricing, hugely costly options), go look at an S with cloth and you'll soon realise how mid-market it is again.
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That car you are all lusting for in red is a Polo GTI!! :grin:
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Ha ha!!
Shows how similar they've all got, we can't tell them all apart.
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Ha ha!!
Shows how similar they've all got, we can't tell them all apart.
Mildly tweaked in Photoshop of course, but it's a Polo.
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....Sure, ALL of the latest car versions cost more than they used to - It's all relative. It doesn't make the Golf an upmarket car. Well designed and built, yes. But the Golf is not a brand with high status.
It's most certainly mid-market, and I think GTI and R models are percieved as being upmarket. I do think it has a high status, and that's not because I own one.
Plus, remember what we're seeing are the top spec interiors. Those on entry level cars are bound to look more functional. All-in-all they have no option but to move with the times.
....I absolutely agree that they must move with the times and will consciously do so within the design process, not just in technology but in styling and fashion trends - They want to sell as many cars as they can of course.
Agreed too about the Golf being a mid-market car and, to me, that includes the GTI and R which are simply higher spec variations (and great cars!). Status to me means a value based on social standing and, whether we like it or not, a reflection of the success of the car's owner. You have only to observe which car brands/models live on which types of house's drives. Cars, like houses, are status symbols to most people and a more upmarket brand (and hence higher status) than they currently have is what many (not myself) aspire to. Why do we call the Audi hatchbacks "posh Golfs"? A hatchback is never viewed as having high status socially. At best, in upper-class circles the Golf gets considered as a smart car to have as a second or third car or for the wife or children to run around in.
The Golf is truly a great car in my opinion but it's a middle-market, not upmarket, car aimed at the middle classes. Originally, in Mr Hitler's day, it was the people's car ("Volks Wagen" in German). What do we think when we see a Golf outside a run-down council house? - That the owner is wanting to state to his/her peer group that he/she is 'better' or more successful than they are. And if we see a Bentley outside a council house? - Someone trying to be someone they are not. An Aston Martin? - Now that's both upmarket and has got high class status and you won't see one outside a council house. The Jaguar is the aspiring middle-class man's version of the Aston.
So, in proximity with the Golf, starting with the higher status brand, it goes Audi (trying to compete with BMW), Golf, followed by Skoda and Seat (fighting with each other).
Btw, having higher status or being upper class, or owning the matching status symbuls, does not make you a better (or worse) human being. I say this particularly because I am a middle-class person who has been privileged to have an upper-class (Public School) education and background. I drive a Golf, not because it has middle-class status, but because it suits my everyday lifestyle.
Sorry! I appear to have got carried away writing! (not unusual).
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I think the mk7 GTI will be more like 30k, or just over with a few options robin. A saw a mk6 GTD for 27k about 4 months ago.
The interior looks nice, I like the flow of the centre console. Much nicer than previous designs.
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Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.
The Mk7's interior is a huge, huge step up, that much is undeniable. Compared to the plain-jane, uninspiring MK5 interior, it looks a lot better.
However, externally it is such a mundane-looking thing. I am finding it so hard to be excited by how it looks. I'm sure the GTI and R will look nice, but time will tell. As it is, it's just another bland VW product.
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That car you are all lusting for in red is a Polo GTI!! :grin:
:signLOL: put me down for a Polo then!
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I really thought the last thing I would want is a mk7.... but after looking at those pics/spec etc.... Im mildly drawn towards it :ashamed: However at 30k the M135i still just pips it for me :innocent:
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I really thought the last thing I would want is a mk7.... but after looking at those pics/spec etc.... Im mildly drawn towards it :ashamed: However at 30k the M135i still just pips it for me :innocent:
At 30K I would rather wait for a GTR to come into that price bracket or an RS3 :happy2:
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Why has the MK6 only had a 4 year lifecycle? Very short as the norm is 6-7 years.
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Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.
In comparison to what though? All new cars are considerably more expensive than they were 3 - 4 years ago...
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I really thought the last thing I would want is a mk7.... but after looking at those pics/spec etc.... Im mildly drawn towards it :ashamed: However at 30k the M135i still just pips it for me :innocent:
At 30K I would rather wait for a GTR to come into that price bracket or an RS3 :happy2:
Fair enough, but rather pointless comparing new and used...
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Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.
The Mk7's interior is a huge, huge step up, that much is undeniable. Compared to the plain-jane, uninspiring MK5 interior, it looks a lot better.
However, externally it is such a mundane-looking thing. I am finding it so hard to be excited by how it looks. I'm sure the GTI and R will look nice, but time will tell. As it is, it's just another bland VW product.
....Very much agreed. The GTI and R versions being the only ones which rise above the blandness in my opinion.
Golfs have certainly become more expensive but at least VW are providing more for your money. Trouble is, I personally don't want everything that they are now including. Yes, the Mk5 dashboard is much more plain-jane but I personally prefer that (I can't say the same about my taste in women's looks though). I am in a tiny minority though.
I think we all are looking forward to how the Mk7 GTI might look like and certainly the Mk7 R - But how much dosh is the R going to cost!?
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I really thought the last thing I would want is a mk7.... but after looking at those pics/spec etc.... Im mildly drawn towards it :ashamed: However at 30k the M135i still just pips it for me :innocent:
At 30K I would rather wait for a GTR to come into that price bracket or an RS3 :happy2:
Fair enough, but rather pointless comparing new and used...
Agree. Although a GTR isnt really in the same class of car as the golf, not to mention its Jap. I had a Jap car 'once'. Lets just leave it at that.
As for the Rs3.. there is no taking away from it from a performace aspect... but seriously £30k for a car with interior that can be found on cars back in 2004!!! no thanks... :confused:
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Found the 3-door on the German volkswagen.de "Konfigurator".
The rear edge of the side window looks like it did on the Mk.I. :happy2:
Like it much more than the 5-door.
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Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.
In comparison to what though? All new cars are considerably more expensive than they were 3 - 4 years ago...
That was actually a typo, it was meant to say £25k. In comparison to the new A3 (which has a 6spd, not 5spd, a vastly improved interior and generally better built), the A-Class and BMW (both leaps and bounds ahead of the Golf), which all come in at £26k with better spec.
Alfa's Giulietta, which is very well built and better looking inside/out and better specified, comes in £1k cheaper.
The "people's car" is £1k cheaper than the equivalent Mercedes/Audi/BMW? No thank you. Especially when I like leather seats and Sat Nav, and in my experience, VW's leather has been much worse than those of competitors, and the Infotainment systems of the 3 firms mentioned are much better.
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....Very much agreed. The GTI and R versions being the only ones which rise above the blandness in my opinion.
Golfs have certainly become more expensive but at least VW are providing more for your money. Trouble is, I personally don't want everything that they are now including. Yes, the Mk5 dashboard is much more plain-jane but I personally prefer that (I can't say the same about my taste in women's looks though). I am in a tiny minority though.
I think we all are looking forward to how the Mk7 GTI might look like and certainly the Mk7 R - But how much dosh is the R going to cost!?
Absolutely; I'm looking forward to seeing the R, but I shudder to think how ridiculously expensive it will be. It's a Golf at the end of the day, and you can spec one up to almost £40k with buckets, sat nav and parking sensors.
I like the Mk6 R a lot, but I would never buy one at that price; you could pick up a BMW 1M for not much more money, or a 135i Coupé and a remap.
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now your talking, minus a couple of doors and that would look :love:
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Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.
In comparison to what though? All new cars are considerably more expensive than they were 3 - 4 years ago...
That was actually a typo, it was meant to say £25k. In comparison to the new A3 (which has a 6spd, not 5spd, a vastly improved interior and generally better built), the A-Class and BMW (both leaps and bounds ahead of the Golf), which all come in at £26k with better spec.
Alfa's Giulietta, which is very well built and better looking inside/out and better specified, comes in £1k cheaper.
The "people's car" is £1k cheaper than the equivalent Mercedes/Audi/BMW? No thank you.
FWIW a 1.6 TDI Match at £25k will have every option available, which is just daft. I'd be willing to bet an A3 would cost more, and I'd disagree that a 1-series is leaps and bounds ahead of the Golf. I'd even say the build quality and interior of the 1-series is inferior to the MK6 Golf.
The "people's car" thing isn't relevant anymore. VW haven't been the peoples car for over a decade now.
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now your talking, minus a couple of doors and that would look :love:
Stance is pretty sexy eh :party:
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Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.
In comparison to what though? All new cars are considerably more expensive than they were 3 - 4 years ago...
That was actually a typo, it was meant to say £25k. In comparison to the new A3 (which has a 6spd, not 5spd, a vastly improved interior and generally better built), the A-Class and BMW (both leaps and bounds ahead of the Golf), which all come in at £26k with better spec.
Alfa's Giulietta, which is very well built and better looking inside/out and better specified, comes in £1k cheaper.
The "people's car" is £1k cheaper than the equivalent Mercedes/Audi/BMW? No thank you.
FWIW a 1.6 TDI Match at £25k will have every option available, which is just daft. I'd be willing to bet an A3 would cost more, and I'd disagree that a 1-series is leaps and bounds ahead of the Golf. I'd even say the build quality and interior of the 1-series is inferior to the MK6 Golf.
The "people's car" thing isn't relevant anymore. VW haven't been the peoples car for over a decade now.
Sat Nav, Leather, Reversing Camera, 17" wheels. All options we would get our sister (the cars were specced up for her); I wouldn't say that spec is daft at all, even if the leather on VWs is worse than the others (and in my opinion, the infotainment as well).
My cousin has a 1.6TDI Mk6 and although the quality is better than my Mk5, it isn't on BMW's level. Whether or not you like the design of the interior is another thing altogether.
As I said, the Audi, BMW, Merc all came in at £26k with identical spec.
I don't think it is irrelevant because VW is not a premium product like the three mentioned. It doesn't look or feel as luxurious, and is not as pleasant to be in.
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there is now way the interior quality of a mk6 is up there with bmw. I have been in e46 bmws which have a better quality interior than a mk6!!
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The VW infotainment system is worse than the equivalent Audi system? Are you for real?
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I think the real question we should be asking is..... can we retro-fit that sat nav into a mk5?!?!?!?!? :pomppomp:
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I think the real question we should be asking is..... can we retro-fit that sat nav into a mk5?!?!?!?!? :pomppomp:
Looks like its built into the dash.... :sad1:
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I think the real question we should be asking is..... can we retro-fit that sat nav into a mk5?!?!?!?!? :pomppomp:
Looks like its built into the dash.... :sad1:
Im not so sure... it looks like the section below the vent is the same size/shape as that in the mk6 maybe even the mk5. It may mean changing a larger part of your dash... but I hope its possible!
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I would think the piano black surround would come off as one section revealing the radio, climate controls etc as their own unit and you could replace them parts but I reckon depending on the different radios available you may need a different surround as that looks like the equivalent to our RNS model so I would think lesser models have less buttons meaning a different shaped trim
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Aren't VW now more consciously into designing modular systems throughout a range so that they reap the cost efficiency benefits of using common parts?
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The VW infotainment system is worse than the equivalent Audi system? Are you for real?
Yes. The MMI is so much easier (and less frustrating) to use when on the move, and the MFSW control systems are leaps and bounds ahead. My brother has the older system in his TTS and I cannot explain how much I prefer it.
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Not a fan of the new mk7... I was hoping for something more exciting... This looks too similar to the mk6 I think :ashamed:
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Just found this on VW Vortex's facebook
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F560484_10151232749223455_1650748294_n.jpg&hash=96a2d7ba601ff16d336494467094773b03ac874f)
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1049.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs399%2Fmcaborn%2Fb3ace8761cf68b198583f529d1367eff.jpg&hash=80516489f365f7e4225b5c0b8c878498ce1248fe)
Please tell me this is a Mk7 Golf GTI and not a Polo? Looking like that, it's my next mistress :love:
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Seeing the Source (Germany's Auto Express).... I'd be inclined to say it's a photoshop.
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^^^^ was waiting for someone to say "photoshop" :sad1:
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I think the real question we should be asking is..... can we retro-fit that sat nav into a mk5?!?!?!?!? :pomppomp:
This unit is not possible to retro fit into any other car with out big modifications to the dash, the unit has an 8" screen and the hdd/nav unit is similar to what is in the Fords i.e its above the glove box in a drop down compartment...its the same unit that is in the new Touareg. On another note if you did manage to fit it it you could get the panoramic parking camera's in :jumping:
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If you look on VW.de's site as mentioned earlier, you can see the 3 door. The same strong line across the car is there, so the GTI pics are certainly 'shops.
http://www.volkswagen.de/de/models/golf_7/konfigurator.html
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That looks really badly photoshopped but I prefer the look over the current mk7 pics.
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Price list for the german market models here...
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-preise-3573363.html
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Alfa's Giulietta, which is very well built and better looking inside/out and better specified, comes in £1k cheaper.
Is it?
If you look on VW.de's site as mentioned earlier, you can see the 3 door. The same strong line across the car is there, so the GTI pics are certainly 'shops.
http://www.volkswagen.de/de/models/golf_7/konfigurator.html
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foctavia-rs.com%2Fwbb%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3DAttachment%26amp%3BattachmentID%3D15522%26amp%3Bh%3D9f25a38690dcda1c720d792aa75ea0931009a611&hash=cc5f7c5846b8634e7ba19b3d8e7a131169fe804e)
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I really like the official pics of the car, think it looks pretty sharp myself and personally reckon it is enough of a departure from Golf V1. But still very much a Golf.
Even think it's pretty smart in that light blue metallic.
Can see me lusting after the Ed40 if they do one (which I guess they will) and imagine it will be expensive for my wallet.
As my Ed30 will be worth about ten pence by then...
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Alfa's Giulietta, which is very well built and better looking inside/out and better specified, comes in £1k cheaper.
Is it?
Oh yes, it's a far, far more attractive car to my eyes than a Mk6. The interior doesn't match the Mk7, I will concede, but I still prefer the exterior.
My Alfa was one of the first batch of RHD Mitos, and didn't rattle, squeak or break down in anything like the manner of any of the 2 Mk5s or the Mk6 in our family (or any of the other five cars based on the Golf)... My brother-in-law has an Alfa GT, which is of the older generation whose build quality was more questionable, but it's been reliable, too.
And the Giuliettas I've been in feel very well built; don't believe the old Alfa stereotypes. Or the old VW ones, for that matter; the Alfas are better and the VWs worse than their respective reputations imply. Having owned both, and being part of a very large family where VAG/Mercedes products constitute the majority of purchases, I can safely say that.
Still, compared to the non-premium products, the Mk7 will wipe the floor with the Astra (which is a good looking thing, to be fair), Focus (which isn't) and Megane (would only buy the RS).
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Alfa's Giulietta, which is very well built and better looking inside/out and better specified, comes in £1k cheaper.
Is it?
Oh yes, it's a far, far more attractive car to my eyes than a Mk6. The interior doesn't match the Mk7, I will concede, but I still prefer the exterior.
My Alfa was one of the first batch of RHD Mitos, and didn't rattle, squeak or break down in anything like the manner of any of the 2 Mk5s or the Mk6 in our family (or any of the other five cars based on the Golf)... My brother-in-law has an Alfa GT, which is of the older generation whose build quality was more questionable, but it's been reliable, too.
And the Giuliettas I've been in feel very well built; don't believe the old Alfa stereotypes. Or the old VW ones, for that matter; the Alfas are better and the VWs worse than their respective reputations imply. Having owned both, and being part of a very large family where VAG/Mercedes products constitute the majority of purchases, I can safely say that.
Still, compared to the non-premium products, the Mk7 will wipe the floor with the Astra (which is a good looking thing, to be fair), Focus (which isn't) and Megane (would only buy the RS).
Thats all well and good but coming in at £1k cheaper is no good when the residuals are so poor.... you might as well get the golf. From past sales figures, thats pretty much what everyone else thinks too.
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Thats all well and good but coming in at £1k cheaper is no good when the residuals are so poor.... you might as well get the golf. From past sales figures, thats pretty much what everyone else thinks too.
....Even if you only keep a car for a couple of years I think that buying the car which you enjoy driving the most always trumps the £1k saved and worse residual. As car enthusiasts isn't that what we are all about?
(sent from my iPad @ JKM)
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Thats all well and good but coming in at £1k cheaper is no good when the residuals are so poor.... you might as well get the golf. From past sales figures, thats pretty much what everyone else thinks too.
....Even if you only keep a car for a couple of years I think that buying the car which you enjoy driving the most always trumps the £1k saved and worse residual. As car enthusiasts isn't that what we are all about?
(sent from my iPad @ JKM)
Agreed, but his original post centred around which car represented value for money. Residuals should be considered IMO.
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I respect a point of view about residuals, Andrew, but I think that many of us choose a car simply because it's love at first sight. Just like choosing girlfriends/wives/partners, our choices aren't cold and rational.
(Sent from my iPad @ JKM)
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I respect a point of view about residuals, Andrew, but I think that many of us choose a car simply because it's love at first sight. Just like choosing girlfriends/wives/partners, our choices aren't cold and rational.
(Sent from my iPad @ JKM)
Again, I agree, but it's hardly relevant in a conversation about value is it? We're not talking about which car excites you, simply cold hard, emotion free value for money.
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I respect a point of view about residuals, Andrew, but I think that many of us choose a car simply because it's love at first sight. Just like choosing girlfriends/wives/partners, our choices aren't cold and rational.
(Sent from my iPad @ JKM)
Again, I agree, but it's hardly relevant in a conversation about value is it? We're not talking about which car excites you, simply cold hard, emotion free value for money.
....Sorry but I thought this thread was about the Mk7 and whether we like it enough to consider buying one.
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Just found this on VW Vortex's facebook
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F560484_10151232749223455_1650748294_n.jpg&hash=96a2d7ba601ff16d336494467094773b03ac874f)
I really like the side profile. It's obviously bigger, but with it it looks beefier. It should look awesome once it is nicely dropped.
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I respect a point of view about residuals, Andrew, but I think that many of us choose a car simply because it's love at first sight. Just like choosing girlfriends/wives/partners, our choices aren't cold and rational.
(Sent from my iPad @ JKM)
Again, I agree, but it's hardly relevant in a conversation about value is it? We're not talking about which car excites you, simply cold hard, emotion free value for money.
....Sorry but I thought this thread was about the Mk7 and whether we like it enough to consider buying one.
Sorry Robin, I'm being pedantic, but the post you responded to was made in relation to Uz comparing a number of cars based purely on which one he thought provided the best value for money. I'd never choose a car that way but for some it's important.
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I respect a point of view about residuals, Andrew, but I think that many of us choose a car simply because it's love at first sight. Just like choosing girlfriends/wives/partners, our choices aren't cold and rational.
(Sent from my iPad @ JKM)
Why i respect your outlook and the stage of your life (no offence of course RR) we are not all in a similar position to you. Many of us use our cars as a primary means of transport to and from work.
We have to simply factor in things such as milage/usage/maintenence/running cost etc and part of that means knowing that your newly purchased asset will not depreciate like a vauxhall/alfa etc. While these brands tend to cushion the blow somewhat by fancy looking finance deals... for those paying cash its important to keep an eye on these things. With a Golf you know your money is safe.
Which is why despite some people considering the other brands 'better value' the golf still outsells them all.
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I respect a point of view about residuals, Andrew, but I think that many of us choose a car simply because it's love at first sight. Just like choosing girlfriends/wives/partners, our choices aren't cold and rational.
(Sent from my iPad @ JKM)
Again, I agree, but it's hardly relevant in a conversation about value is it? We're not talking about which car excites you, simply cold hard, emotion free value for money.
....Sorry but I thought this thread was about the Mk7 and whether we like it enough to consider buying one.
Sorry Robin, I'm being pedantic, but the post you responded to was made in relation to Uz comparing a number of cars based purely on which one he thought provided the best value for money. I'd never choose a car that way but for some it's important.
Not which provided value for money, but which one for the money spent we would prefer.
I'd much prefer an A-Class at £26k to a Golf at £25k in ideal spec; that's what I was saying.
Like Robin said, we're not the sort of people to worry too much about resale values, because we want a car we love. I'd struggle to love a Mk6 Golf knowing I could have bought a new model A3 or A-Class for £1k more. My main point was that those two both feel like they should be a fair chunk more expensive than the Golf. Like I said, the Mk7 should remedy that, but I still don't expect it to be on the BMW, Audi, Merc level...
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Much more like the black/silver interior:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ausmotive.com%2Fpics%2F2012%2FVW-Golf-VII-03.jpg&hash=6de65ad46feeeab49b652efdb9c916014c14e2df)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ausmotive.com%2Fpics%2F2012%2FVW-Golf-VII-04.jpg&hash=83c3c3810a4b7e7c0aebd87241e6744500f0f5e1)
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I respect a point of view about residuals, Andrew, but I think that many of us choose a car simply because it's love at first sight. Just like choosing girlfriends/wives/partners, our choices aren't cold and rational.
(Sent from my iPad @ JKM)
Why i respect your outlook and the stage of your life (no offence of course RR) we are not all in a similar position to you. Many of us use our cars as a primary means of transport to and from work.
We have to simply factor in things such as milage/usage/maintenence/running cost etc and part of that means knowing that your newly purchased asset will not depreciate like a vauxhall/alfa etc. While these brands tend to cushion the blow somewhat by fancy looking finance deals... for those paying cash its important to keep an eye on these things. With a Golf you know your money is safe.
Which is why despite some people considering the other brands 'better value' the golf still outsells them all.
This is an excellent point; as a family we tend to keep our cars for longer than 3 years, anyway (except for my brother, whose Mini Cooper and Mk5 GTi had reliability issues), so maybe my viewpoint is skewed. In the longer run, it works out better financially, and with the build quality of VW not being what it once was, I just think that should also be taken into account when comparing.
What I was mainly comparing the Golf to wasn't the Alfa (that was merely the subject of a post or two), but the premium German cars which are closer to the Golf than one might hope for, or expect, and in almost every field you mentioned, they're safer bets if you are buying a well-specified car (sensors, sat nav, leather).
We've been looking at the market so we can buy a car for my sister, and she will need those three options, and wants 17" wheels.
The extra £800 or so is a bargain for what is a gorgeous car with the nicest interior in the class. At that price differential, we immediately discarded the Mk6 Golf.
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Much more like the black/silver interior...
I guess going for black leather with piano black trim will result in a very dark, dull cabin. It is just a touch too much silver for my liking though.
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Much more like the black/silver interior...
I guess going for black leather with piano black trim will result in a very dark, dull cabin. It is just a touch too much silver for my liking though.
I definitely prefer the black/silver interior but also IMO there is a bit too much silver.
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Prefer the black/silver interior. I don't care about things looking "too dark". What's important to me is function and layout eg controls should easy to find and use without taking your eyes off the road.
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Much more like the black/silver interior...
I guess going for black leather with piano black trim will result in a very dark, dull cabin. It is just a touch too much silver for my liking though.
I definitely prefer the black/silver interior but also IMO there is a bit too much silver.
Agree with you. A touch less would have been better to my liking.
Both the Mk.V GTI brushed aluminium trim (while just fake plastic) and the A3 8P (real) alu trims looked really good.
ps:
two more -2-doors
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foctavia-rs.com%2Fwbb%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3DAttachment%26amp%3BattachmentID%3D15543%26amp%3Bh%3D84789cdc0139615f6ba13c7ef0856c09146b74dd&hash=52c9f0b5f37bc430c3cda0dff2e8460e6277a9f3)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foctavia-rs.com%2Fwbb%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3DAttachment%26amp%3BattachmentID%3D15544%26amp%3Bh%3D4d65c0172269670632118d83322af778c8099877&hash=c696d1495366466fd34e9dbe442b7d85b66134df)
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None of your images are working...
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I hope Stop/Start and run-flats are optional on the GTi. And why do we need electric handbrakes?
Keep it Simple!
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Stop/Start is optional even if the car has it. You either turn it off or on.
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Why do we need runflats? Esp given BMW drivers tend to swap them over for standard tyres?
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It's live on the VW website in Germany, with the configurator working
the gallery has pics of interior and exterior
http://www.volkswagen.de/de/models/golf_7/gallery.html#/flash=58eec7088423af9c5a4bc517b16e04c7@mediaLists_medialist_0_mediaItems_medialist_mediaitem_1
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Price list for the german market models here...
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-vii-preise-3573363.html
I went on to the German configurator and quite easily specced a Highline to well over Eur.30.000! They even charge for Tornado Red on there?
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I love so much this new Golf! :drool:
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I went on to the German configurator and quite easily specced a Highline to well over Eur.30.000!
They even charge for Tornado Red on there?
I pushed it to 40.000,-- € fully loaded (with way more than I'd need).
Tornado red ever was optional for standard Golfs, but the GTI came with uni black and tornado red as standard.
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fandrew-parker.com%2Fmk73dr.png&hash=aa6fed20814e5bd55d6f1866351f40984c5ea0a1)
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nice mk6... but isnt this thread about the mk7 :P
... its the interior that actually appeals to me more, closely followed by the engine line up.
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nice mk6... but isnt this thread about the mk7...
Was interested to see how different they were so knocked this up...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fandrew-parker.com%2Fcomparison.png&hash=6efd87199202376241e8a3e99d27232c9b5c9c14)
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Mk7 is just a big Polo. Knock one out, i mean, knock one up of the Mk7 comapred with the Polo!! :happy2:
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nice mk6... but isnt this thread about the mk7...
Was interested to see how different they were so knocked this up...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fandrew-parker.com%2Fcomparison.png&hash=6efd87199202376241e8a3e99d27232c9b5c9c14)
Thats pretty f*kin lazy from the design team :rolleye:
Its like one of those auto sharpen functions on photoshop :grin:
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Mk7 is just a big Polo. Knock one out, i mean, knock one up of the Mk7 comapred with the Polo!! :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fandrew-parker.com%2Fcomparison-polo.png&hash=2c7b04529cc30999a16766cf1fbc8e25deafd6b4)
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nice mk6... but isnt this thread about the mk7...
Was interested to see how different they were so knocked this up...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fandrew-parker.com%2Fcomparison.png&hash=6efd87199202376241e8a3e99d27232c9b5c9c14)
Thats pretty f*kin lazy from the design team :rolleye:
Its like one of those auto sharpen functions on photoshop :grin:
A bit like the Porsche team :wink:
Although I really like the mk7 :happy2:
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Although I really like the mk7 :happy2:
Likewise, I was prepared to be disappointed, but I actually really like it. I can certainly see me getting one next year, though it's unlikely it will be of the GTI variety.
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Catalogue:
http://www.volkswagen.de/de/models/golf_7/brochure/catalogue.html (http://www.volkswagen.de/de/models/golf_7/brochure/catalogue.html)
Some more colors listed like Black, Pure White, Sunset Red, 'Reflexsilber' and Limestone Grey (!!!).
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkswagen.de%2Fcontent%2Fmedialib%2Fvwd4%2Fglobal%2Fmom%2Fgolf_7%2Fcontent%2Fgl3677_golf_color_limestone_grey_metallic%2F_jcr_content%2Frenditions%2Fitem.685.325.file%2Fgl3677_golf_color_limestone_grey_metallic.jpg&hash=db22de71db45a3af1d1c6e69b78d9f7ed9078fb8)
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ausmotive.com%2Fpics%2F2012%2FVW-Golf-VII-03.jpg&hash=6de65ad46feeeab49b652efdb9c916014c14e2df)
^ I would want to wrap all the flat silver bits in carbon vinyl.
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Looks like this is what I'll be picking up once I pass with my pass my registration next year (hopefully) looks great IMO, agree with the too much silver though.... Wonder if they'd offer an all piano black variant...that would look rather nice...
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looks great IMO, agree with the too much silver though.... Wonder if they'd offer an all piano black variant...that would look rather nice...
....The downside of Piano Black is that it's very glossy and reflective. That's why the silver trims are invariably textured and not a chrome-like finish - Safety! You don't want any blinding flashes of light while driving. It's why I wear prescription shades and a baseball cap - Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not a drug dealer. A sudden sharp reflection can induce double-vision followed by a migrane. Fortunately it's now years since I have suffered this but largely because I take care in this respect.
The fact is though that bits of silver and fancy trim help sell cars to the masses who just want a car to get from A to B and don't much enjoy each mile like most of us do.
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This car already runs GTI engine and chassis. Even more these are the
first proper pics of the 2-door I was able to find:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.vau-max.de%2Fimages%2F2012%2F09%2F002-bilder-vw-golf-7-gti-2013-new-gti-mk7-tsi-wheel-felgen-raeder.jpg&hash=09bcf978e9fc09a4e19ab03d21271972c57ba57a)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.vau-max.de%2Fimages%2F2012%2F09%2F009-bilder-vw-golf-7-gti-2013-new-gti-mk7-tsi-wheel-felgen-raeder.jpg&hash=0c65ac47975a8a29dc0a282c7d608cf823cb5c64)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.vau-max.de%2Fimages%2F2012%2F09%2F010-bilder-vw-golf-7-gti-2013-new-gti-mk7-tsi-wheel-felgen-raeder.jpg&hash=8b403bed3a067e9febd54189e53a283eea884802)
My opinion is the 2-door Mk.VII looks far different to the Mk.VI !
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/2013-volkswagen-golf/lightweight-volkswagen-golf-carbon-gti-planned
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/2013-volkswagen-golf/lightweight-volkswagen-golf-carbon-gti-planned
The ED40 by what they are saying, sounds good but depends on what they do with this:
http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/golf-7-r-spy-photos-part-2/
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http://www.volkswagen-r.com/#!home
https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/medias_publish/ms/content/de/pressemitteilungen/2013/08/20/golf_r___das_neue.standard.gid-oeffentlichkeit.html
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2FVW-Golf-R-Sperrfrist-20-8-2013-18-00-Uhr-fotoshowImage-71c0329a-711224.jpg&hash=72db648d39c20b350c4c534631436c28f3330d5e)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/896_507708232637554_1279049394_n.jpg)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.vau-max.de%2Fimages%2F2013%2F08%2F40-bilder-pictures-new-vw-golf-r-2013-iaa-tsi-300-ps-s3-audi-4motion.jpg&hash=3b60ed629e27892588573d0cef86c1b1ba0f85d7)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.vau-max.de%2Fimages%2F2013%2F08%2F43-bilder-pictures-new-vw-golf-r-2013-iaa-tsi-300-ps-s3-audi-4motion.jpg&hash=ba8c17b481b276cd3986038219cf900b3d7b8a99)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.vau-max.de%2Fgallery_pictures%2F2013%2F08%2F28-bilder-pictures-new-vw-golf-r-2013-iaa-tsi-300-ps-s3-audi-4motiono.jpg&hash=62d0115ba7c5cf2e9a8c3235e0211307aebad204)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.vau-max.de%2Fgallery_pictures%2F2013%2F08%2F29-bilder-pictures-new-vw-golf-r-2013-iaa-tsi-300-ps-s3-audi-4motiono.jpg&hash=3f64187d44c670b9a068938863df1deefb686a2e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.vau-max.de%2Fgallery_pictures%2F2013%2F08%2F31-bilder-pictures-new-vw-golf-r-2013-iaa-tsi-300-ps-s3-audi-4motiono.jpg&hash=6112ce4ba0e995d28a2d2c5c12e1cf26f18eaf77)
My personal opinion:
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Golf R in disguise looking like a GTI (note the four tips):
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fup.picr.de%2F15597115ly.jpg&hash=87345373daae62dcfbd2fb9d013b0c003ceb4df1)
GTI (Hockenheimring):
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BMW 125i, Ford Focus ST, Mercedes A 250, VW Golf GTI
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2FBMW-125i-Ford-Focus-ST-Mercedes-A-250-VW-Golf-GTI-Fahrt-fotoshowBigImage-a86b572a-681178.jpg&hash=35f8995a33eaa904fbf70c0b93793fbcd2abe585)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2FVW-Golf-GTI-Frontansicht-Slalom-fotoshowBigImage-cd29acd8-681180.jpg&hash=682cea4b60488eb7972c5744cbeca4480629a92c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2FVW-Golf-GTI-Bordcomputer-Rundenzeit-fotoshowBigImage-ada7becb-681186.jpg&hash=3228b094e7057fc49b466f3e9fea5d58f846acb7)
another one on the Nürburgring:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fimg%2Frundenzeiten_noskqjf2.png&hash=ac4647602ee7dd4e8f5cd1087cd53057e9b621d0)
Times were taken during a track day with some traffic. That Megane RS did come with the optional
Cup package, but with (inferior) 225 SportMax TT tyres instead of 235 Michelin PS2s. On another
test the GTI went below 8:30.