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Title: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: jedi-knight83 on September 08, 2012, 12:18:32 pm
Well... I say failed... Technically it failed but its all about WHO you know  :ashamed:

Anyway... I thought the pre cat delete didnt affect emissions?

I dont have the actual figure but I was told the lambda reading wasn't within tolerance for the MOT?

Anyone else had this issue?
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: ashw831 on September 08, 2012, 12:25:59 pm
Had my mot done  last week, and with my pre cat out I had the same issue as you, but as you say it is who you know!! ;-)
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: sub39h on September 08, 2012, 12:27:51 pm
I thought the pre-cat only affected cold emissions, and that it was only necessary in Germany?

My BlueFlame (obviously without pre-cat) passed it's MOT at an Audi main dealer only last month
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on September 08, 2012, 12:35:32 pm
Mine sailed through the MOT with the pre-cat removed  :happy2: (at a VW dealer).

I did take it for a thrash down the bypass before the MOT to get it hot. The pre-cat aids cold start emissions so if the car is hot when it's MOT'd it should be fine.

Sounds like your normal CAT may be at fault  :sad1:

Gray
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: jedi-knight83 on September 08, 2012, 12:41:21 pm
Mine sailed through the MOT with the pre-cat removed  :happy2: (at a VW dealer).

I did take it for a thrash down the bypass before the MOT to get it hot. The pre-cat aids cold start emissions so if the car is hot when it's MOT'd it should be fine.

Sounds like your normal CAT may be at fault  :sad1:

Gray

Sounds like a good excuse to upgrade my downpipe and cat then :)

IS there anyway to check the main cat?
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: jedi-knight83 on September 08, 2012, 12:42:13 pm
If it makes a difference... i'd not used the car for about 6 days prior to the MOT and it was a very short drive through town to the garage. I dont know how hot they then got it?
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: micky 32 on September 08, 2012, 12:42:34 pm
I have no precat and running a high flow Miltek cat and emissions were well in spec. Must be yoyr normal cat faulty.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: bacillus on September 08, 2012, 12:58:19 pm
Sounds like they did the MOT without preheating the cat...
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: jedi-knight83 on September 08, 2012, 01:04:12 pm
i might take it for a blast and then pop it in next week for them to recheck emissions when its hot.

If it still fails I will look at getting a miltek downpipe and sports cat.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: PDT on September 08, 2012, 02:54:18 pm
If it failed on lambda readings then it's not the precat at fault, it's either running too rich or lean. If it filed on hydrocarbons or CO then it could be blamed on the precast removal.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: jedi-knight83 on September 08, 2012, 03:02:47 pm
If it failed on lambda readings then it's not the precat at fault, it's either running too rich or lean. If it filed on hydrocarbons or CO then it could be blamed on the precast removal.

Hmm.. I'll message R-Tech then. Annoying if it needs adjusting as its running beautifully at the moment.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: donovan2123 on September 08, 2012, 04:05:24 pm
I have passed 2 mot's with precat removed at two different garages one being kick fit and it passed with no issues.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: Ree on September 08, 2012, 07:13:05 pm
Hi,

Sorry to High-Jack

What the performance advantages of removing the pre-cat, also does anyone know if this can be removed from the R32 !

Cheers Peeps.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: 56OctyVRS on September 08, 2012, 07:28:31 pm
I always take my car for a long drive before the MOT to heat up the cat and the brakes etc to make sure it passes easily. My car passed with the precat delete this year and passed with ease.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: jedi-knight83 on September 08, 2012, 07:56:46 pm
as PDT said above.... seems my issue may not be cat related at all but fuelling related.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: Phil Miller on September 08, 2012, 08:01:57 pm
the engine must be at running temp to do the test, taking it for a thrash before the test will get the cat nice and hot and burn off any crap, without the thrash the cat will still be nice and hot, as above sounds more like a cat issue but without seeing the figures from the test it could be a cat, lambda sensor fault
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: PDT on September 08, 2012, 09:18:39 pm
It's unlikely to be the map at fault, an MOT emission test is not carried out with the engine under load. Typically the areas in a map that are altered for performance gains are nowhere near the areas the ecu will look up during emission testing.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: micky 32 on September 08, 2012, 09:20:12 pm
My PPM's on mine with the Miltek was around 40 ppm. The limit here in Ireland is 200ppm.
Title: Re: failed MOT with precat delete
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on September 09, 2012, 01:21:15 am
If it failed on lambda readings then it's not the precat at fault, it's either running too rich or lean. If it filed on hydrocarbons or CO then it could be blamed on the precast removal.

Hmm.. I'll message R-Tech then. Annoying if it needs adjusting as its running beautifully at the moment.

Mine is R-Tech mapped too. However as PDT said, it's unlikely to be the map