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Title: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: heavyd on September 10, 2012, 05:53:59 pm
I am contemplating making the switch to the darkside, and was looking at these in particular. Dow anyone on here own/owned one of these?
Just wondering what a remapped one is like in comparison to an edition 30?
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: rich83 on September 10, 2012, 06:01:42 pm
I drove a standard automatic one and it felt really slow. PDT is where I would take it to get mapped I I bought one . Nice cars though, the interior and build is much better than the MK5.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: Beddie on September 10, 2012, 06:14:41 pm
I am contemplating making the switch to the darkside, and was looking at these in particular. Dow anyone on here own/owned one of these?
Just wondering what a remapped one is like in comparison to an edition 30?

Our kid, 'Aparoon' on here has a remapped 123d and came from a stage 2+ ed30  :happy2:
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: PDT on September 10, 2012, 06:33:01 pm
Driven plenty, had one booked in today or mapping. Power delivery is very smooth and linear, but not stg2+ type of thrill by a long way. Also look at 135i, 335i and 335d.

For great economy, sorted chassis and reasonable power they are a great choice. If I get another in soon I will give you a call for a passenger ride  :happy2:
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: jhtrophy on September 10, 2012, 07:14:42 pm
I have one, good car but don't confuse with a hot hatch, well built and quick, but not as much feel as a good hot hatch, for everyday driving it's spot on, best car I have ever owned, mpg is ok, between 40 and 50, I did 4000 miles in Europe this summer averaging 48, including one end of Germany to other, where it showed its forte, so well planted on autobahn. Expensive to service mind, runs on same oil as m3 which is £100 for 5 litres and tyres are£250 each if you get the 18s.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: rich83 on September 10, 2012, 07:23:47 pm
Surely only 250 each if you are daft enough to buy the runflats.....
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: Andy on September 10, 2012, 07:27:31 pm
Or your not coming to me for the Tyres :happy2:
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: jhtrophy on September 10, 2012, 07:51:53 pm
Surely only 250 each if you are daft enough to buy the runflats.....
£20 quid cheaper for non runflats, 245s on rear, runflats are fine and work when you get a flat, don't see what's daft about it, runflats are much better than what they were 10 years ago.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: heavyd on September 10, 2012, 08:11:58 pm
Thanks for replies  :happy2:
Sounds like it might be underwhelming compared to what I was hoping for. I'll try and have a test drive to confirm. Would have liked a 135i but are above my budget. It's hard to find a nice car within budget that ticks all the right boxes  :sad1:
Shame the 335d engine isn't in a smaller car. A 340bhp diesel with 500lbft sounds interesting  :drool:
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: PDT on September 10, 2012, 10:00:52 pm
  Expensive to service mind, runs on same oil as m3 which is £100 for 5 litres and tyres are£250 each if you get the 18s.


Odd prices there, castrol do a 4l bottle for £34.50, valvoline also do. Or for £80 buy a 20l drum from Euro car parts.
Conti sport contact 3 for the front are £108 and rear £149 (non run flats).

Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: rich83 on September 10, 2012, 10:34:39 pm
Surely only 250 each if you are daft enough to buy the runflats.....
£20 quid cheaper for non runflats, 245s on rear, runflats are fine and work when you get a flat, don't see what's daft about it, runflats are much better than what they were 10 years ago.


If you are paying 250 per tyre... That is daft. No point in runflats. Waste of money of you ask me. I've done 250000 miles and only had 2 punctures (tempting fate)
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: jhtrophy on September 11, 2012, 07:21:17 am
  Expensive to service mind, runs on same oil as m3 which is £100 for 5 litres and tyres are£250 each if you get the 18s.


Odd prices there, castrol do a 4l bottle for £34.50, valvoline also do. Or for £80 buy a 20l drum from Euro car parts.
Conti sport contact 3 for the front are £108 and rear £149 (non run flats).


Just looked on eBay and oil is £60 for 4 litres, 10 60 castrol tws Motorsport oil, you putting correct oil in?  :signLOL:
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: PDT on September 11, 2012, 09:11:43 am
I use Castrol Edge 10w 60 BMW spec oil, Euro car parts on trade is £34.50 (anyone can walk into a ECP branch and haggle for trade prices)
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: jhtrophy on September 11, 2012, 10:56:05 am
My understanding is and you will know more BMW changed the oil to the tws Motorsport last year on the 123d, which both dealers I have used don't understand why as its the only car except the petrol m cars that uses it. You can tyres cheap then too because the continentals for mine non run flat are £240 everywhere I looked online, 245 35 18 :signLOL:
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: PDT on September 11, 2012, 12:16:46 pm
Thats correct about the oil, its the 'M car' oil which is a Castrol Edge 10w60 like this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CASTROL-TWS-10W-60-Engine-Oil-22827009-4-Litre-/150894651544?pt=UK_Vehicle_Oils_Lubricants_Fluids&hash=item232205a898

(can get it cheaper than that at ECP)

And if you dont want to spend silly money on tyres, improve ride and handling go for a 255/35/18 rear and a 225/40/18 front (in non-runflats) then carry a can of tyre weld in the boot just in case.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: andrewparker on September 11, 2012, 12:18:04 pm
Surely only 250 each if you are daft enough to buy the runflats.....
£20 quid cheaper for non runflats, 245s on rear, runflats are fine and work when you get a flat, don't see what's daft about it, runflats are much better than what they were 10 years ago.


If you are paying 250 per tyre... That is daft. No point in runflats.

Tempting fate indeed. Funnily enough I was just reading this story on M5Board. I wonder what difference run-flats would have made in that situation?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/105776-photos-story-autobahn-crash-no-more-alpine-white-e61-m5-touring.html
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: rich83 on September 11, 2012, 12:30:11 pm
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s329p78815/Goodyear_Tyres_Car_Goodyear_Eagle_F1_Asymmetric_2_-_245_35R18_92Y_XL_TL_
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: tony_danza on September 11, 2012, 01:53:25 pm
Surely only 250 each if you are daft enough to buy the runflats.....
£20 quid cheaper for non runflats, 245s on rear, runflats are fine and work when you get a flat, don't see what's daft about it, runflats are much better than what they were 10 years ago.


If you are paying 250 per tyre... That is daft. No point in runflats.

Tempting fate indeed. Funnily enough I was just reading this story on M5Board. I wonder what difference run-flats would have made in that situation?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/105776-photos-story-autobahn-crash-no-more-alpine-white-e61-m5-touring.html


Little to no difference IMO. Losing pressure at 180km/h, especially on the rear is bad. They don't feel like a normal tyre when flat, they still squirm around and they rapidly destroy the sidewalls, which is why you can't re-use them.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: PDT on September 11, 2012, 01:54:29 pm
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s329p78815/Goodyear_Tyres_Car_Goodyear_Eagle_F1_Asymmetric_2_-_245_35R18_92Y_XL_TL_

Had these on my 135i, they were shockingly poor at handling any lateral grip even after a few hundred miles of use. Replaced with Conti sport 3 and the difference was huge.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: PDT on September 11, 2012, 01:56:10 pm
Surely only 250 each if you are daft enough to buy the runflats.....
£20 quid cheaper for non runflats, 245s on rear, runflats are fine and work when you get a flat, don't see what's daft about it, runflats are much better than what they were 10 years ago.


If you are paying 250 per tyre... That is daft. No point in runflats.

Tempting fate indeed. Funnily enough I was just reading this story on M5Board. I wonder what difference run-flats would have made in that situation?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/105776-photos-story-autobahn-crash-no-more-alpine-white-e61-m5-touring.html


Little to no difference IMO. Losing pressure at 180km/h, especially on the rear is bad. They don't feel like a normal tyre when flat, they still squirm around and they rapidly destroy the sidewalls, which is why you can't re-use them.


My 335d had an issue with slow punctures in both rear tyres (runflats) and after doing 40 miles at 50mph to get home the sidewalls of both were destroyed and unusable, so ditched them for non runflats.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: tony_danza on September 11, 2012, 02:38:43 pm
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s329p78815/Goodyear_Tyres_Car_Goodyear_Eagle_F1_Asymmetric_2_-_245_35R18_92Y_XL_TL_

Had these on my 135i, they were shockingly poor at handling any lateral grip even after a few hundred miles of use. Replaced with Conti sport 3 and the difference was huge.

Odd. I have them and they're superb. Took a while to get rid of the block wobble, but a few laps of Rockingham sorted that.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: PDT on September 11, 2012, 06:21:54 pm
It is odd, others have given very positive reviews but the tyres I had were shockingly bad. I was going to continue with them but then the missus was driving one day, totally dry, all driving aids on and not going fast by any means and she lost the back end, managed to correct it and all was ok but a bit scary.
Title: Re: has anyone on here got a BMW 123d?
Post by: jhtrophy on September 11, 2012, 07:01:01 pm
Surely only 250 each if you are daft enough to buy the runflats.....
£20 quid cheaper for non runflats, 245s on rear, runflats are fine and work when you get a flat, don't see what's daft about it, runflats are much better than what they were 10 years ago.


If you are paying 250 per tyre... That is daft. No point in runflats.

Tempting fate indeed. Funnily enough I was just reading this story on M5Board. I wonder what difference run-flats would have made in that situation?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/105776-photos-story-autobahn-crash-no-more-alpine-white-e61-m5-touring.html


Little to no difference IMO. Losing pressure at 180km/h, especially on the rear is bad. They don't feel like a normal tyre when flat, they still squirm around and they rapidly destroy the sidewalls, which is why you can't re-use them.
i had a puncture, did 150 miles and had it fixed. not sure how bad it was mind.