MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: stugolf on June 09, 2009, 12:42:30 pm
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Hi guys new to the forum! Currently selling my Porsche 911 (bit of a sales plug I know, but its here! http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1052923.htm)
To replace it I'm after a MK5 Golf GTI, in terms of "real world" performance how does a remapped Gti stand against a remapped ED30?
I love the ED30 but I could make a GTI almost as the same as the edition from less money apart from the bigger turbo
Cheers guys! Stu
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A remapped GTI wouldnt be close to a mapped ED30, theres about 50bhp in it :laugh:
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For tuning potential its ED30 everytime.
Remap = £550
TBE exhaust = £1000
Intake = £150
Relative power gains:
GTI: 250hp (from 200hp)
ED30: (300-310hp (from 230hp)
So for the same money spent on mods, the power gains are much more on the ED30...
ED30's are coming down to pretty reasonable prices too :happy2:
In terms of 'real world' performance, on the road they are quite similar to be honest. A remapped ED30 doesn't stray too far away from me on the road, but is obviously that little bit faster!!
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Nice porsche
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:driver: ...........as above.
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I agree with what's already been said - The Ed30 is potentially a wee bit faster but there's very little in it unless you are referring to jonnyc's lightweight Ed30.
I love Porsches but the great thing about the Mk5 GTI/Ed30 is how good an allrounder it is, especially the 5-door version.
Horses For Courses.
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^ You have been Welcomed but Warned! :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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if you can live with the fact you didnt buy an ED30 then :happy2:
Consider the resale too , ED30 although oversold should still hold its value better than a GTI
Depends how much cash you have , but I could argue that the price differential may allow you to buy an LSD.
Full house mods on both = ED30 faster
mid mods on ED30 , full house on GTI = GTI wins
as stated ED30 has more 'headroom' but you need various upgrades to be able to utilise the full hp.
Drive both , you may prefer the total lagless GTI. Although it may have more hp it doesnt make you faster...
If youve got the money its ED30 + LSD + suspension = woohooo
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ed30 is faster past the 100 mark, my modded gti beat a stage 2 ed30 at santa pod :signLOL:
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ed30 is faster past the 100 mark, my modded gti beat a stage 2 ed30 at santa pod :signLOL:
Actually, come to think about it....so did mine! :signLOL: :signLOL:
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ed30 is faster past the 100 mark, my modded gti beat a stage 2 ed30 at santa pod :signLOL:
Actually, come to think about it....so did mine! :signLOL: :signLOL:
A situation NEVER to be repeated now I have the DSG remap :evilgrin: ie no unnecessary kickdowns in manual again :innocent:
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You're a good sport John! :grin: :grin: :happy2:
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You're a good sport John! :grin: :grin: :happy2:
I'm open to bribes :innocent:
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Firstly welcome :smiley:
Secondly - it must be very painful to sell the Porsche - it looks FANTASTIC 8)
Depends on how far the credit crunch has forced you and your definition of "re-evaluation"!! I'd go GTI (no offence to the ED30 owners)
The real world difference isn't that much (well certainly not in comparison to a Porsche!)
Best of luck either way :happy2:
Dan
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Thanks for the kind words about my car guys, it is difficult to sell the Porsche as I do love it so much and even though it is "low spec" for a Porsche its much quicker than I thought! Mine weighs 1320kgs because its a manual Carrera 2 with 300bhp!
So I want something that is still very quick and cheaper to buy.
Never been in a MK5 GTI but know do you guys find the interior quality? I've heard conflicting reports saying its very nivce and some reports have said its quite cheap?
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Never been in a MK5 GTI but know do you guys find the interior quality? I've heard conflicting reports saying its very nivce and some reports have said its quite cheap?
....Some people are critical of the Mk5 GTI's interior. Personally I much prefer it to the Mk6 which has had its interior blinged up silver components added to match the Audi style - I hate that new steering wheel, it's so fussy.
Modern Porsche interiors are outstanding and styled very appropriately for the car, but I see the GTI as a funkier form of transport and not pretentiously trying to be a luxury limo.
It all comes down to your personal expectations.
Btw, the standard seats are excellent.
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I think the mk 5 interior looks good for what it is, but my dash developed a few creaks and rattles fairly soon. Nothing too bad, but I do notice it occasionally.
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Yes, my dash occasionally makes a few creaking sounds etc but it tends to be seasonal (temperature expansion etc) and once focussed on driving I don't hear it. I accept it and consequently it doesn't bother me.
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I love the interior of the mk5, just look at the equivalent SEAT as an example of how not to do it..... No rattles or squeaks on mine.
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I have had five MKV Golf's and I have never had a rattle once :happy2:
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Its funny, we just got a Seat Leon thats done over 60k and it squeaks and rattles less than my brand new ED30 and 10K GTI
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Its funny, we just got a Seat Leon thats done over 60k and it squeaks and rattles less than my brand new ED30 and 10K GTI
the quality of GTI and E30 is ... sporadic. Some people have no rattles whatsoever, I lucked out.
I, like Gaz here, have squeaks and rattles in my E30: center of the dash, somewhere in the instrument cluster from time to time, but particularly - rear seat. I've been in an acquaintance's Skoda Octavia which he treats mercilessly, its done 140000km, but it does not make a squeak. I've been in rental Lupos that were silent as a tomb.
GTI/E30 is pretty nice car, and you can mod it to your heart's content almost indefinitely and for reasonably low money (in Britain, that is, not where I'm at). You can make it go 130mph in a quarter and beat M3s, AMGs, tuned 335i's.
Personally, Porsche will be Porsche, whether it has more bhp than Golf or not. Porsche is yardstick for a sports car. Golf is a hatch.
(I have E30 Oettinger Stage 2 plus downpipe plus KW V2)
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I had a decision similar to yours over buying a standard GTI or an Ed 30 some months ago after coming from a 350bhp APR MKIV Golf.
The MK5 is leagues ahead in the chassis department compared to the MKIV in any case but what swung it for me was the ease of tuning potential on the Ed 30 which I'm sure you'll appreciate coming from a Carrera 2 with 300bhp.
The MK5 is quite heavy beast but for the everyday driver even 197 bhp in standard form it's a nice competant package.
In ED 30 form most are higher than the factory claim at 240+ some 250bhp.
In a basic map from APR/Revo or Superchips you should a nice 300bhp with a healthy dollop of torque.
I went for the Ed 30 as it is brilliant even as a standard car but I do the odd trackday so have started with an APR re map and put my Dunlop Intermediate tyres and some uprated pads.
For Stage 2 and exhausts can wait...300bhp is more than enough. My concentration will be on proper brakes and chassis upgrades. The investment in a Stage 2/3 power upgrades can be invested into some KW's and big brakes (AP/Tarox/Stoptech).
I will post some photos on here this week on my progress but suffice to say I've just fitted the D01j's on my Pescara's and they look Awesome....even on the OE suspension.
I will report back my findings at Combe on Saturday.
No creaks or rattles on my Ed30...very impressed with the cabin ambience.
Ian