MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: neg on September 13, 2012, 05:51:23 pm
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Hmmm... how long do you think it will be until they release the mk7 GTI ? When is the mk7 actually available to order?
so tempted with a 135i but really want something I can keep a few years and not sure the 135 would be one to keep....
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Drive a 135i, then when you have bought one and carried out a few mods try and find a car that you desire more in this price range.
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Hold out for the MK7, and keep your finger crossed they build Carbon GTI
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get 135i bmw is in league of its own! straight of the box would be better than any modded VAG can ever be.... Unless you look for practicality than forget bmw!
Paul
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Or wait for the Mk7 GTi & R to come out and pick up an R for about 15K. The current values are still very high, but I'd wager they'll lose 40-50% in the next 2 years.
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get 135i bmw is in league of its own! straight of the box would be better than any modded VAG can ever be.... Unless you look for practicality than forget bmw!
Paul
Better trade in r8 v10 and 0-62 in 2.8 sec TTRS for 135i's if that's the case!
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get 135i bmw is in league of its own! straight of the box would be better than any modded VAG can ever be.... Unless you look for practicality than forget bmw!
Paul
Better trade in r8 v10 and 0-62 in 2.8 sec TTRS for 135i's if that's the case!
Wasn't the best thought out statement was it.
VAG doesn't just start and end at the 2.0tfsi.
Poverty you never even mentioned RS6's and should we now include Porsche in the VAG stable?
Bugatti, Lambo should I go on?
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get 135i bmw is in league of its own! straight of the box would be better than any modded VAG can ever be.... Unless you look for practicality than forget bmw!
Paul
Better trade in r8 v10 and 0-62 in 2.8 sec TTRS for 135i's if that's the case!
Wasn't the best thought out statement was it.
VAG doesn't just start and end at the 2.0tfsi.
Poverty you never even mentioned RS6's and should we now include Porsche in the VAG stable?
Bugatti, Lambo should I go on?
Well, they are all owned by VAG! What else do BMW have in the stable? Oh yes that's right, just fake mini's! :grin:
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Hold out for the Golf R hitting 15K in another 18 months, like quite a few others on here, thats probably when I will be getting one :happy2:
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The GTI will be 18 months or so?
Just get what you want, let the GTI's prices settle from the initial rush and enjoy what you have in the mean time.
Having had various VAGs and a 135i, call me biased or whatever - it really is a great car out of the box. :happy2:
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get 135i bmw is in league of its own! straight of the box would be better than any modded VAG can ever be.... Unless you look for practicality than forget bmw!
Paul
Better trade in r8 v10 and 0-62 in 2.8 sec TTRS for 135i's if that's the case!
Wasn't the best thought out statement was it.
VAG doesn't just start and end at the 2.0tfsi.
Poverty you never even mentioned RS6's and should we now include Porsche in the VAG stable?
Bugatti, Lambo should I go on?
Guys, I was also more considering price ranges and what you get!
Of course we can all dream of labos etc but that was not the point
Paul
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GolfR is awesome.
New one will be on the new sportier chassis.
135i is awesome too but I'm willing to bet on a average British day in average British roads with the average driver a golf R will be quicker than a 135i on the twisties.
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GolfR is awesome.
New one will be on the new sportier chassis.
135i is awesome too but I'm willing to bet on a average British day in average British roads with the average driver a golf R will be quicker than a 135i on the twisties.
that's possible but does it matter at all??
I think VW is overpriced to what you're getting. By the time you spec the R you're in BMW territory and VW is average band vs premium one and this should not happen
Paul
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GolfR is awesome.
New one will be on the new sportier chassis.
135i is awesome too but I'm willing to bet on a average British day in average British roads with the average driver a golf R will be quicker than a 135i on the twisties.
that's possible but does it matter at all??
I think VW is overpriced to what you're getting. By the time you spec the R you're in BMW territory and VW is average band vs premium one and this should not happen
Paul
Have to agree.. we all like VW's but BMW is way ahead of the game here. FWD hatch v RWD hatch??? Is there really any competiton when the golf starts by being 100bhp down??
Even if we compare the golf r.... which we know is a s3 really. its not going to get into the 135i territory for fun or outright speed
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GolfR is awesome.
New one will be on the new sportier chassis.
135i is awesome too but I'm willing to bet on a average British day in average British roads with the average driver a golf R will be quicker than a 135i on the twisties.
That's down to driver confidence, rather than the car's ability.
VAG are very good at making safe feeling cars that flatter the driver, so anyone can get in one and instantly give it Billy big balls and go tentenths.
Thats good and hilarious fun, but what are you learning?
I'm about 90% confident in my car, it still has the ability to scare me and get the adrenalin going, but it really rewards if you're prepared to stay committed. Having driven a stock Golf R, I know I'd be significantly faster in a 135i in anything but rain. It has 50:50 weight distribution and is unaffected by torque steer. Haldex is clever, but not Subaru/Evo clever, its trump card seems to be 0-60 straight line launches and exiting wet roundabouts, otherwise it's just dead weight being dragged about.
Drag time pub bingo and going fast in the rain is not on my list of wants when buying a new car.
There seems to be a perception that RWD has no grip, in the dry it has way more than FWD and HaldexAWD. In the wet yeah sure, it'll be overwhelmed by power, but then so is FWD - the only difference is the enevitible entering of that hedge being forwards or backwards.
VAGs are great cars, I've had a few and really enjoyed them, I dare say I may have another at some point - but you can't beat RWD and that's why I've gone back to it.
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How far do we want to take this argument.
I recall the vln racers, and the tts beating the rwd BMW's.
I do agree on track in good hands the 135i will be much quicker, but most drivers are average. And if learning how to drive is high up your list, do go karting, much cheaper, alot more fun, f1 rivalling g-forces also in the race spec karts. Can't beat it for pound per fun ratio.
I appreciate sporty golfs are expensive especially with options, but last time I was in the BMW dealership their cars are even pricier. 320d 34k, so I'd imagine a 135i well specced must be in the 40k range.
At the end of the day, both cars take a very different approach, but I wouldnt be able to say that one is better than the other. They are just different.
As for the image/badge argument, I think that's silly, as BMW's, vw's and Audi's are common as muck.
If we start that discussion, Porsche will trump em all.
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How far do we want to take this argument.
I vote for not very far at all.
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It's not really an argument, just quashing some myths. They are as you say very different.
VLN is the maddest form of racing, anything and everything in about 20 different classes. Cars, budgets, drivers, track knowledge, blind luck... It's a bit of a stab in the dark saying what's quick and what's not.
A 135i with pro-nav and some trinkets is £33k -10% if you ask nicely. Leather, xenons, Brembos etc etc standard. Weirdly a 335i will stiff you for about £45k with similar spec. It's an odd world.
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id go for 135i coupe remaped and exhaust looking around 360 370 break and be awesome to drive :evilgrin:
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Damn didn't know there was such a premium between the 1 series and 3 series! The 1 series is priced pretty well then.
So to conclude drive both, see what you prefer, then buy a rs3 or BMW 1m :D
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Heehee - man maths FTW!
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On the question of Mk6 R vs Mk7 GTI, it's not always advisable to buy a new car until it has been on the roads for over a year and reached its usual (Volkswagen) annual revisions of July. there are nearly always issues to be sorted out. Similar to computer software - Never buy a dot zero version until updates are available.
Personally I think that the Mk6 R is far better than any of the other Mk6's and, subject to seeing one, I think I prefer the design of the Mk7 to the Mk6. The carbon version Mk7 GTI won't appear until 2014 if all the rumours are to be believed, and I bet it won't be cheap!
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I agree with Robin.
Apart from new cars having teething issues, if you are wanting to modify the car there will be at least a year to two before anything significant is out for them. Even a remap will be a while away as the security will also be next gen. I went for the .:R for these exact reasons. The .:R has taken its initial £10k+ depreciation, but is new enough to be worth me getting, yet the car's engine is now known to be very strong and easy to tune. Most of the weaknesses have been ironed out and the technology is easily manipulated.
The MKVII GTI is still around a year away ( plus the usual 12-16 weeks wait for delivery) and then ECU mods are probably another 6-12 months away after that.
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I really like the 135i but I would only have one if I could have a GTI too.
I'm into VAG cars, always will be, always have been.
From air cooled to water cooled.
The plan for me is to keep the ed30 and get something else later, 135i maybe?
Its the brand for me and the whole 'GTI' ethos.
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I'm into VAG cars, always will be, always have been.
From air cooled to water cooled.
The plan for me is to keep the ed30 and get something else later, 135i maybe?
Its the brand for me and the whole 'GTI' ethos.
....Me too. It's a strong and vibrant community. :happy2:
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Id wait ti see what the mk7 offers and if its just a warm hatch they ou can go with the mk6 R. That's what id do anyway
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